What Do You Want Pm Abhisit To Do Now?

[kraxlhuber]

Hi.

So IF he dissolves parliament and calls snap elections, what will happen? The reds/PTP likely win. And then? Cue "PAD"..... Bangkok's streets will be filled with yellows and the whole circus starts from zero.

My guess is that a good many of the reds will go home, hand the red t-shirts to their wives for laundry, grab the yellow t-shirts from the cabinet and head back to Bangkok - "professional protester" at 200 Baht per day sure beats farming, no? And it doesn't matter who they protest against as long as they get paid to do it (same with vote buying, they don't give a hoot who they vote for as long as they get paid for it).

If it happens like i just wrote, i hope the yellows remember where they got their success from last time and head straight for those two locations. Saves time and lives. And once THEY win obviously it will be time to change the t-shirts once again, so prepare, Bangkokians, for mob rule over the next few years.

Or..... something involving tanks and guys in uniform happens, THEN we can have peace. Looks like pretty much the only way to have peace.

Best regards.....

Thanh

Quote,i'll sell turncoat shirts yellow to red and reverse,

saves the going home for the mob.

alles klar?

[Smiles]

Abisit should come out and explain why he escalated the use of force and censorship against the redshirts peacefull gathering, and why he then chose to send in the armed troops.Specifically Colonel Rambo's squad, who had previous against the reds.

Then he should prone himself at the feet of the deceased redshirts families and beg forgiveness.

Then he should be tried.

IF only the Red Shirt held peaceful gathering there will not be the 'black saturday'.

How low can some go to post such fantasy?

[animatic]

Well regardless of the propaganda in this non-politics thread, ( nice try George )

The dissolve parliament vote is still UNDER 50% of the law and order vote.

And the have patience vote has dwindled.

It would seem many still realize that letting mob rule change the house makeup is

not something that can be allowed to continue into the future, regardless of shirt colors.

[blackman]

DEADLY CLASHES

Hunt is on for armed terrorists: Suthep

By The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Deputy PM alleges culprits linked to core DAAD leaders.

Strict measures have been taken to deal with armed terrorists among the redshirt protesters, while the police has launched an investigation into the use of warweapons on soldiers and protesters during the clash on Saturday night.

A police team has been set up to hunt down the men carrying automatic rifles, who in media footage were seen mixing in with the redshirt protesters during clashes at the Khok Wua intersection, Deputy PM Suthep Thaugsuban, who oversees internal security, said.

"We can't let these terrorists walk free on the streets.

Whoever they are, or work for, they must be arrested," he said, adding that the red shirts were in possession of hundreds of assault rifles that they either confiscated from soldiers or troops had left behind while retreating.

He said the redshirt movement wanted to change the country's system, and did not care about government rule.

Suthep, who is also director of the Centre for Resolution of Emergency Situation, alleged that these armed terrorists were connected to core leaders of the Democratic Alliance against Dictatorship, adding that some of them had previously worked as guards at various protest sites.

"Once those leaders are arrested terrorism charges might be put against them," he added.

so the tide is turning, the reds who initially blamed the government entirely for the deaths of the red supporters, have now, in a vain attempt to try to cover themselves as this thing unravels, have had to concede that there was a 'third hand' at work amongst them whilst still denying all advance knowledge of any plot to kill reds

this has been revealed despite the reds trying to close down the media, supress evidence, offer no help to authorities to bring these people to justice and trying to explain away about these 'men in black' being simply guards & confiscated weapon carriers to red storage sites

its a media war they have lost, a battle lost to the ordinary people of Thailand that know the difference between right and wrong

ordinary people have had the courage to identify these men in black

in fact the outraged ordinary peoples response has been so prolific that within 72 hours of the massacre its now become common knowledge who the men in black are.

its only a matter of time before they are found and reported to the authorities by those same people

Se Daeng is furious they have been identified and is now publicly threatening that the hunters may become the hunted

so its a tense time for the red leaders and especially for the mercenaries themselves

all the parties involved in this plot, know it will only take the capture of one of them to bring down this entire red deception

the mercenaries should already know that because of their own sloppy work they have become a target themselves simply to shut them up

the red leaders will be advocating that they ought be shut up and fast, to protect them so they cannot implicate them or their paymasters

they know if one of these people is captured and talks to the government, this is all over for the reds movement forever

even the most ardent red supporter would not stand for their own people being shot to make a political point

if the truth comes out, the red leaders who conspired with sa daeng and the mercenaries in this massacre will not need to be arrested by the government

they will be killed by their own people

Abhisit should make some moves to help the mercenaries, the reds and Thailand out of this dilemma:

the government should offer a bounty of 20 million baht to the first mercenary to be handed over to the government

they should be interogated and be made to tell who, what, where and when.

if they were to hand themselves in voluntarily then the mercenaries should be offered amnesty, big money and a new identity, if they will tell them everything they know and testify against their bosses

i realise this is an unpleasant scenario but when when considers whats at stake, its a prudent move

the alternative is not attractive for the mercenaries

the hunt is on for them by some very determined people out to avenge the death of their colleagues

they could surrender to the authorities and reap the benefits of a settlement and amnesty or they will eventually be killed by their own people to keep them quiet

in their line of work, they should know this already

if not someone should make them aware of whats likely to happen and quick before they dissapear................ permanently.

[animatic]

Abisit should come out and explain why he escalated the use of force and censorship against the redshirts peacefull gathering, and why he then chose to send in the armed troops.Specifically Colonel Rambo's squad, who had previous against the reds.

Then he should prone himself at the feet of the deceased redshirts families and beg forgiveness.

Then he should be tried.

IF only the Red Shirt held peaceful gathering there will not be the 'black saturday'.

How low can some go to post such fantasy?

Without the crazy aggressive talk from the red stages urging their sheeple to attack the riot squads,

the undercover fighters wouldn't have had the opportunity to attack from cover...

This is all part of some grand maneuvering to change the balance of power in Thailand.

And no small amount of revenge for Thaksin.

To say Abhisit over reacted is not true, since he allowed the Reds to run rampant for weeks, expecting them to peter out.

But few obviously, expected a true street war to break out with targeting of army leaders, and likely random red sacrificial lambs,

The game has changed, but as the media reports come in, the true nature of what Abhisit and his security forces faced

is becoming much clearer. And the insidious nature of the force arrayed against them is becoming much clearer too.

This was NOT some simple crowd clearing exercise gone wrong from over zealous army conscripts,

as was the red scripts image making plan, but some guerilla warfare aimed at creating a grand image of

carnage, but still blaming the military. But it seems they might have over reached.

Perception Management telling the tale even before it happens,

plus 'boots on the ground' to create images that fit the story they want to tell.

We are being manipulated and only the fact the press and others were very much out there,

and not aimed focused, but randomly, has prevented this from being a totally one sided tale for all to believe.

We now have a distinct image of someone sided with the reds trying to create a catastrophe for the nation.

Who benefits from this kind of imaging?

[citizen33]

It would seem many still realize that letting mob rule change the house makeup is

not something that can be allowed to continue into the future, regardless of shirt colors.

There is no doubt that the way ahead is difficult. What your ilk has never recognised though is that there is a difference between protests followed by a judicial coup/backstage deals and protests followed by elections.

[lannarebirth]

Abisit should come out and explain why he escalated the use of force and censorship against the redshirts peacefull gathering, and why he then chose to send in the armed troops.Specifically Colonel Rambo's squad, who had previous against the reds.

Then he should prone himself at the feet of the deceased redshirts families and beg forgiveness.

Then he should be tried.

IF only the Red Shirt held peaceful gathering there will not be the 'black saturday'.

How low can some go to post such fantasy?

Without the crazy aggressive talk from the red stages urging their sheeple to attack the riot squads,

the undercover fighters wouldn't have had the opportunity to attack from cover...

This is all part of some grand maneuvering to change the balance of power in Thailand.

And no small amount of revenge for Thaksin.

To say Abhisit over reacted is not true, since he allowed the Reds to run rampant for weeks, expecting them to peter out.

But few obviously, expected a true street war to break out with targeting of army leaders, and likely random red sacrificial lambs,

The game has changed, but as the media reports come in, the true nature of what Abhisit and his security forces faced

is becoming much clearer. And the insidious nature of the force arrayed against them is becoming much clearer too.

This was NOT some simple crowd clearing exercise gone wrong from over zealous army conscripts,

as was the red scripts image making plan, but some guerilla warfare aimed at creating a grand image of

carnage, but still blaming the military. But it seems they might have over reached.

Perception Management telling the tale even before it happens,

plus 'boots on the ground' to create images that fit the story they want to tell.

We are being manipulated and only the fact the press and others were very much out there,

and not aimed focused, but randomly, has prevented this from being a totally one sided tale for all to believe.

We now have a distinct image of someone sided with the reds trying to create a catastrophe for the nation.

Who benefits from this kind of imaging?

I ronically, the red Shirt leadership must be hoping the PAD Yellow Shirts arrive quickly and create mayhem as well. That would take some of the heat off of them. I hope the Yellows don't rise to the bait.

[rixalex]

There is no doubt that the way ahead is difficult. What your ilk has never recognised though is that there is a difference between protests followed by a judicial coup/backstage deals and protests followed by elections.

You omitted some important details:

There is no doubt that the way ahead is difficult. What your ilk has never recognised though is that there is a difference between protests followed by a judicial coup/backstage deals and protests followed by elections violent protests led by a convicted criminal using a small minority on the streets that use the threat of further violence and unrest to force a legitimately formed government to step down, followed by unfair elections in which open and equal campaigning will not be possible and backstage deals that likely include white-washing criminals and returning ill-gotten gains.

Any worse than having a coup? Both scenarios seem pretty devasting in terms of free and fair democracy.

[jayboy]

There is no doubt that the way ahead is difficult. What your ilk has never recognised though is that there is a difference between protests followed by a judicial coup/backstage deals and protests followed by elections violent protests led by a convicted criminal using a small minority on the streets that use the threat of further violence and unrest to force a legitimately formed government to step down, followed by unfair elections in which open and equal campaigning will not be possible and backstage deals that likely include white-washing criminals and returning ill-gotten gains.

Any worse than having a coup? Both scenarios seem pretty devasting in terms of free and fair democracy.

With all due respect this post is almost incomprehensible.The trouble is that for the simplistic "Thaksin is the root of all evil school" who ignore or don't understand the subterranean undercurrents, recent developments don't fit their rather naive script.In essence their view was that Thaksin is a corrupt criminal with no real concern for the country, a closet republican who bribed his way to wealth and power and conned the rural people, uneducated and stupid, to follow him.If Thaksin was dealt with all problems will disappear.The slightly more sophisticated grudgingly concede that there are some issues that needed addressing but that Thaksin is the main problem.This view was of course always fatuous and wasn't held even by intelligent people who despised Thaksin.

I note that even the most enthusiastic holders of this position have more or less piped down, but I suppose for some it's automatic to splutter nonsensically, rather like a decapitated chicken.Eventually I suppose even the most bone headed will see that Thaksin's importance lay primarily in his catalytic effect.The genie is well and truly out of the bottle now in a way that surprises even me.

[blackman]

i would like Abhisit to hang in there whilst the government finds and gets one of the ''men in black'' to testify against the Red leaders

then it will be all over

one man out of 65 million with incontravertable evidence about the random red killings ordered by the red leadership on Saturday night could save this whole country from disaster

one man.....how ironic, a murdered could be a hero

maybe even Thaksin will throw the red leaders who organised this to the dogs and try to come out looking like a saviour and save himself in the process

he's treacherous enough to do that especially if the government returned his money

maybe someone should put such a scenario to him, if he hasn't already considered of it?

hang in there Abhisit, right is on your side

do not be bullied by these red insurgents

[AnonymousMember]

There is no doubt that the way ahead is difficult. What your ilk has never recognised though is that there is a difference between protests followed by a judicial coup/backstage deals and protests followed by elections violent protests led by a convicted criminal using a small minority on the streets that use the threat of further violence and unrest to force a legitimately formed government to step down, followed by unfair elections in which open and equal campaigning will not be possible and backstage deals that likely include white-washing criminals and returning ill-gotten gains.

Any worse than having a coup? Both scenarios seem pretty devasting in terms of free and fair democracy.

With all due respect this post is almost incomprehensible.The trouble is that for the simplistic "Thaksin is the root of all evil school" who ignore or don't understand the subterranean undercurrents, recent developments don't fit their rather naive script.In essence their view was that Thaksin is a corrupt criminal with no real concern for the country, a closet republican who bribed his way to wealth and power and conned the rural people, uneducated and stupid, to follow him.If Thaksin was dealt with all problems will disappear.The slightly more sophisticated grudgingly concede that there are some issues that needed addressing but that Thaksin is the main problem.This view was of course always fatuous and wasn't held even by intelligent people who despised Thaksin.

I note that even the most enthusiastic holders of this position have more or less piped down, but I suppose for some it's automatic to splutter nonsensically, rather like a decapitated chicken.Eventually I suppose even the most bone headed will see that Thaksin's importance lay primarily in his catalytic effect.The genie is well and truly out of the bottle now in a way that surprises even me.

I think you're right, its already too late to stop, I saw elsewhere someone wrote that this isn't about Thaksin at all, its about what they did to Thaksin and the underlying system that enabled and allowed them to do it.

Personally I am sanguine, fatalistic if you like - its a process that Thailand has to go through. This is the house that Jack built and it has served him and his friends well. But Jack properly belonged in a bygone age and insisted the house be built with daub and wattle instead of modern materials. So now the house is falling down.

Sometimes, in medicine, it is better not to try and prolong an already miserable life. Do not resuscitate.

Edited April 14, 2010 by AnonymousMember

[lannarebirth]

There is no doubt that the way ahead is difficult. What your ilk has never recognised though is that there is a difference between protests followed by a judicial coup/backstage deals and protests followed by elections violent protests led by a convicted criminal using a small minority on the streets that use the threat of further violence and unrest to force a legitimately formed government to step down, followed by unfair elections in which open and equal campaigning will not be possible and backstage deals that likely include white-washing criminals and returning ill-gotten gains.

Any worse than having a coup? Both scenarios seem pretty devasting in terms of free and fair democracy.

With all due respect this post is almost incomprehensible.The trouble is that for the simplistic "Thaksin is the root of all evil school" who ignore or don't understand the subterranean undercurrents, recent developments don't fit their rather naive script.In essence their view was that Thaksin is a corrupt criminal with no real concern for the country, a closet republican who bribed his way to wealth and power and conned the rural people, uneducated and stupid, to follow him.If Thaksin was dealt with all problems will disappear.The slightly more sophisticated grudgingly concede that there are some issues that needed addressing but that Thaksin is the main problem.This view was of course always fatuous and wasn't held even by intelligent people who despised Thaksin.

I note that even the most enthusiastic holders of this position have more or less piped down, but I suppose for some it's automatic to splutter nonsensically, rather like a decapitated chicken.Eventually I suppose even the most bone headed will see that Thaksin's importance lay primarily in his catalytic effect.The genie is well and truly out of the bottle now in a way that surprises even me.

I agree Thaksin held a critical role in his catalytic effect in energizing the rural masses. I also agree that there are many other issues that need to be addressed other than Thaksin. Where I cannot agree is that Thaksin no longer is a threat to the Kingdom of Thailand. The other issues that need addressing are m/l out in the light now and his continued presence on the political stage only serves to exacerbate underlying divides rather than serving as a person who could heal these many rifts.

[ozzieman05]

There is no doubt that the way ahead is difficult. What your ilk has never recognised though is that there is a difference between protests followed by a judicial coup/backstage deals and protests followed by elections violent protests led by a convicted criminal using a small minority on the streets that use the threat of further violence and unrest to force a legitimately formed government to step down, followed by unfair elections in which open and equal campaigning will not be possible and backstage deals that likely include white-washing criminals and returning ill-gotten gains.

Any worse than having a coup? Both scenarios seem pretty devasting in terms of free and fair democracy.

With all due respect this post is almost incomprehensible.The trouble is that for the simplistic "Thaksin is the root of all evil school" who ignore or don't understand the subterranean undercurrents, recent developments don't fit their rather naive script.In essence their view was that Thaksin is a corrupt criminal with no real concern for the country, a closet republican who bribed his way to wealth and power and conned the rural people, uneducated and stupid, to follow him.If Thaksin was dealt with all problems will disappear.The slightly more sophisticated grudgingly concede that there are some issues that needed addressing but that Thaksin is the main problem.This view was of course always fatuous and wasn't held even by intelligent people who despised Thaksin.

I note that even the most enthusiastic holders of this position have more or less piped down, but I suppose for some it's automatic to splutter nonsensically, rather like a decapitated chicken.Eventually I suppose even the most bone headed will see that Thaksin's importance lay primarily in his catalytic effect.The genie is well and truly out of the bottle now in a way that surprises even me.

I agree Thaksin held a critical role in his catalytic effect in energizing the rural masses. I also agree that there are many other issues that need to be addressed other than Thaksin. Where I cannot agree is that Thaksin no longer is a threat to the Kingdom of Thailand. The other issues that need addressing are m/l out in the light now and his continued presence on the political stage only serves to exacerbate underlying divides rather than serving as a person who could heal these many rifts.

You need to look even closer

The thugs have learnt the value of power, which is more satisfying than all the money Thaskin has

So with a Red win we go back 1000 years when the power struggle started back in Issan

It may just end up Red thug Vs Red thug

A struggle for supreme power inside Issan itself

My Thai wife tells me stories the way it used to be before the King came back in the early 1900's

stories passed down from grandmother to grand daughter

Have we opened Pandora;s box

and a power struggle that will be misery within Issan from its own

This is Thailand, and we have only just begun to understand the Thai thinking and culture

[rixalex]

There is no doubt that the way ahead is difficult. What your ilk has never recognised though is that there is a difference between protests followed by a judicial coup/backstage deals and protests followed by elections violent protests led by a convicted criminal using a small minority on the streets that use the threat of further violence and unrest to force a legitimately formed government to step down, followed by unfair elections in which open and equal campaigning will not be possible and backstage deals that likely include white-washing criminals and returning ill-gotten gains.

Any worse than having a coup? Both scenarios seem pretty devasting in terms of free and fair democracy.

With all due respect this post is almost incomprehensible.The trouble is that for the simplistic "Thaksin is the root of all evil school" who ignore or don't understand the subterranean undercurrents, recent developments don't fit their rather naive script.In essence their view was that Thaksin is a corrupt criminal with no real concern for the country, a closet republican who bribed his way to wealth and power and conned the rural people, uneducated and stupid, to follow him.If Thaksin was dealt with all problems will disappear.The slightly more sophisticated grudgingly concede that there are some issues that needed addressing but that Thaksin is the main problem.This view was of course always fatuous and wasn't held even by intelligent people who despised Thaksin.

I note that even the most enthusiastic holders of this position have more or less piped down, but I suppose for some it's automatic to splutter nonsensically, rather like a decapitated chicken.Eventually I suppose even the most bone headed will see that Thaksin's importance lay primarily in his catalytic effect.The genie is well and truly out of the bottle now in a way that surprises even me.

You start by saying "with all due respect" and follow it with comments that show you have no respect whatsoever for those you deem intellectually below you (i think that's just about everyone btw). You have perfected the art of name-calling dressed up in a scholarly style (years of practice perhaps), but at the end if the day it's still name-calling fit for the playground. You do yourself a great disservice with this sort of arrogant nonsense below:

for the simplistic

The slightly more sophisticated

wasn't held even by intelligent people who despised Thaksin

it's automatic to splutter nonsensically, rather like a decapitated chicken

I suppose even the most bone headed

[yoshiwara]

There is no doubt that the way ahead is difficult. What your ilk has never recognised though is that there is a difference between protests followed by a judicial coup/backstage deals and protests followed by elections violent protests led by a convicted criminal using a small minority on the streets that use the threat of further violence and unrest to force a legitimately formed government to step down, followed by unfair elections in which open and equal campaigning will not be possible and backstage deals that likely include white-washing criminals and returning ill-gotten gains.

Any worse than having a coup? Both scenarios seem pretty devasting in terms of free and fair democracy.

With all due respect this post is almost incomprehensible.The trouble is that for the simplistic "Thaksin is the root of all evil school" who ignore or don't understand the subterranean undercurrents, recent developments don't fit their rather naive script.In essence their view was that Thaksin is a corrupt criminal with no real concern for the country, a closet republican who bribed his way to wealth and power and conned the rural people, uneducated and stupid, to follow him.If Thaksin was dealt with all problems will disappear.The slightly more sophisticated grudgingly concede that there are some issues that needed addressing but that Thaksin is the main problem.This view was of course always fatuous and wasn't held even by intelligent people who despised Thaksin.

I note that even the most enthusiastic holders of this position have more or less piped down, but I suppose for some it's automatic to splutter nonsensically, rather like a decapitated chicken.Eventually I suppose even the most bone headed will see that Thaksin's importance lay primarily in his catalytic effect.The genie is well and truly out of the bottle now in a way that surprises even me.

I agree Thaksin held a critical role in his catalytic effect in energizing the rural masses. I also agree that there are many other issues that need to be addressed other than Thaksin. Where I cannot agree is that Thaksin no longer is a threat to the Kingdom of Thailand. The other issues that need addressing are m/l out in the light now and his continued presence on the political stage only serves to exacerbate underlying divides rather than serving as a person who could heal these many rifts.

You need to look even closer

The thugs have learnt the value of power, which is more satisfying than all the money Thaskin has

So with a Red win we go back 1000 years when the power struggle started back in Issan

It may just end up Red thug Vs Red thug

A struggle for supreme power inside Issan itself

My Thai wife tells me stories the way it used to be before the King came back in the early 1900's

stories passed down from grandmother to grand daughter

Have we opened Pandora;s box

and a power struggle that will be misery within Issan from its own

This is Thailand, and we have only just begun to understand the Thai thinking and culture

Don't take your eye of the ball.

The battle is for the leadership of the army to control the state armed forces.

Always was.

It has not wavered for one moment.

Thaksin's reds are the ground troops and the 'demands' are distractions.

Thaksin wants his hands on the army reshuffle

And disaffected army leaders will have been offered a prize.

There is no need to go 'Thai mystical'.

With the snipers Thaksin is 'all in'

Time is running out towards the deadline.

The red cheerleaders more frantic.

[pedro01]

Here's what I want Abhisit to do.

Get hold of some forest fire-fighting equipment - preferably a chinook with the ability to carry thousands of gallons of water.

Fly it over the red stage and let the water go. Carry on until all of the reds equipment is fried, their food is ruined and their toilets are swept away.

Get rid of the mobs first and THEN step down and start the process of turning this country into a democracy, preferably by reaching out publicly to Phuea Thai.

Also - lock up all of the red leaders that have incited violence and cut of all of Thaksins comms into Thailand.

[gigiman]

What Abhisit needs to do now ...

He needs to get on TV, do interviews and all else to get his message out as well as keeping everyone informed. His office needs to have hourly updates on the situation to ease fears and concerns the general public has. He needs to use this situation to show he is in charge, has a plan and reinforce his true concern for all Thailand.

Look at the popularity of the Mayor of NY after 9/11 because of his simply getting out there and talking to remind people he was in control, understood their concerns and reminded them he would do everything in his power for their benefit.

Come on man ,, please ,, you say " He needs to get on TV " ,, what TV do you mean the state run , government , elitist controlled TV ???

Thats the problem, he has a voice and the opposition does not and that is just another reason why this arrogant , smug clown needs to step down because by his actions he has antagonized the reds even more.

He is out of touch with reality on the streets, the tide is against him.

When your population fights tanks and armoured personal carriers with their bare hands , and beats back a well equipped army with sticks,,, that means it is determined and is not going to quit.

More importantly it means your army is useless and their hearts are not in it.

Give it up !!!!

[gigiman]

Here's what I want Abhisit to do.

Get hold of some forest fire-fighting equipment - preferably a chinook with the ability to carry thousands of gallons of water.

Fly it over the red stage and let the water go. Carry on until all of the reds equipment is fried, their food is ruined and their toilets are swept away.

Get rid of the mobs first and THEN step down and start the process of turning this country into a democracy, preferably by reaching out publicly to Phuea Thai.

Also - lock up all of the red leaders that have incited violence and cut of all of Thaksins comms into Thailand.

Hum ,,, let me see you say " lock up all the red leaders " can we first start by locking up all the yellow leaders who closed the airports and also perpetrated violence ?

Then maybe people would not start to think there is a double standard here which I am sure you with your obvious bias don't think exists ,, right ?

[yoshiwara]

Here's what I want Abhisit to do.

Get hold of some forest fire-fighting equipment - preferably a chinook with the ability to carry thousands of gallons of water.

Fly it over the red stage and let the water go. Carry on until all of the reds equipment is fried, their food is ruined and their toilets are swept away.

Get rid of the mobs first and THEN step down and start the process of turning this country into a democracy, preferably by reaching out publicly to Phuea Thai.

Also - lock up all of the red leaders that have incited violence and cut of all of Thaksins comms into Thailand.

Hum ,,, let me see you say " lock up all the red leaders " can we first start by locking up all the yellow leaders who closed the airports and also perpetrated violence ?

Then maybe people would not start to think there is a double standard here which I am sure you with your obvious bias don't think exists ,, right ?

Any argument red cheerleaders wouldn't use to defend the use of petrol bombs guns and rifles?

Of course not.

The Thaksin agenda must be kept on track.

That is the bedrock.

[anotherpeter]

What Abhisit needs to do now ...

He needs to get on TV, do interviews and all else to get his message out as well as keeping everyone informed. His office needs to have hourly updates on the situation to ease fears and concerns the general public has. He needs to use this situation to show he is in charge, has a plan and reinforce his true concern for all Thailand.

Look at the popularity of the Mayor of NY after 9/11 because of his simply getting out there and talking to remind people he was in control, understood their concerns and reminded them he would do everything in his power for their benefit.

Come on man ,, please ,, you say " He needs to get on TV " ,, what TV do you mean the state run , government , elitist controlled TV ???

Thats the problem, he has a voice and the opposition does not and that is just another reason why this arrogant , smug clown needs to step down because by his actions he has antagonized the reds even more.

He is out of touch with reality on the streets, the tide is against him.

When your population fights tanks and armoured personal carriers with their bare hands , and beats back a well equipped army with sticks,,, that means it is determined and is not going to quit.

More importantly it means your army is useless and their hearts are not in it.

Give it up !!!!

So you've missed all the video of reds shooting at troops with guns and throwing grenades and petrol bombs? Barely bare hands and sticks.

Maybe that hasn't been shown on red TV, where the opposition has plenty of chance to spread their lies to their supporters.

[pedro01]

Here's what I want Abhisit to do.

Get hold of some forest fire-fighting equipment - preferably a chinook with the ability to carry thousands of gallons of water.

Fly it over the red stage and let the water go. Carry on until all of the reds equipment is fried, their food is ruined and their toilets are swept away.

Get rid of the mobs first and THEN step down and start the process of turning this country into a democracy, preferably by reaching out publicly to Phuea Thai.

Also - lock up all of the red leaders that have incited violence and cut of all of Thaksins comms into Thailand.

Hum ,,, let me see you say " lock up all the red leaders " can we first start by locking up all the yellow leaders who closed the airports and also perpetrated violence ?

Then maybe people would not start to think there is a double standard here which I am sure you with your obvious bias don't think exists ,, right ?

Actually I said lock up all the red leaders that incited violence.

Or is inciting violence OK in your book ?

This has to stop somewhere - why not draw the line here ?

[britmaveric]

Abhisit should resign in the next week or so after Songkran, dissolve the house and have elections in a few months.

[yoshiwara]

Abhisit should resign in the next week or so after Songkran, dissolve the house and have elections in a few months.

Lots of shoulds in the Thaksin supporters lexicon.

But the one must is to put Thaksin in charge of the military reshuffle.

The job of the Thaksin cheerleaders is clear.

[snorkelador]

Abhisit should resign in the next week or so after Songkran, dissolve the house and have elections in a few months.

The only thing that would achieve is a temporary cease fire, whilst the reds are celebrating victory. Without charter amendments and a way to ensure somewhat fair election, without intimidation by the reds, greens, yellows, pinks, blues brothers, men in black and their daughters, it will not achieve any democratic order acceptable to either side. How to pull that off is the one million dollar question and there are 76 billion reasons that the big T would not be happy with anything like that.

[rixalex]

Abhisit should resign in the next week or so after Songkran, dissolve the house and have elections in a few months.

Message to all Thai citizens: violent protesting pays in more than one way.

[Jingthing]

Abhisit should resign in the next week or so after Songkran, dissolve the house and have elections in a few months.

Message to all Thai citizens: violent protesting pays in more than one way.

Correct. So if these violent insurgents manage to take power in this immoral way, the future is just endless chaos/civil war or a totalitarian regime similar to the totalitarian fascists that ran Thailand during the WW2 era (leftist or rightist it will be a horror show all the same).

[Jingthing]

Abhisit should resign in the next week or so after Songkran, dissolve the house and have elections in a few months.

Lots of shoulds in the Thaksin supporters lexicon.

But the one must is to put Thaksin in charge of the military reshuffle.

The job of the Thaksin cheerleaders is clear.

That's because the Thaksin lovers crave an authoritarian dictator.

[britmaveric]

The yellows taught the reds well..... so yes this is a monkey see monkey do society.

Edited April 14, 2010 by britmaveric

[geriatrickid]

Abhisit should resign in the next week or so after Songkran, dissolve the house and have elections in a few months.

Lots of shoulds in the Thaksin supporters lexicon.

But the one must is to put Thaksin in charge of the military reshuffle.

The job of the Thaksin cheerleaders is clear.

Still sticking to the bankrupt notion that everyone is a Thaksin supporter and apologist? I suppose you can't let go, otherwise you would have to accept the reality that Abhisit is now a lame duck, a spent force and finished, at least for now. He was done in by his own side. Mr. Korn and others betrayed him politically when they threatened him. Using the incessant Thaksin is to blame mantra allows your group to avoid dealing with the real politik here.

Get over it. Thaksin is also a spent force. The appropriate term has been used for him: He was a catalyst. This is not about Thaksin, but other more ingrained and serious issues, many of which will remain even if Abhisit resigns and a new government takes over. Thailand is coming to the fork in the road where tough decisions and taboo subjects will soon be discussed and it is something the country has been prevented from doing by those that benefited from the status quo. There are too many elderly males that cannot accept that the times are a changing. General Prem is the poster boy for that faction.

You so called experts think you know what's going on in the heads of the Thai leadership on both sides of the political struggle. Here's a newsflash; There are a large number of people in positions we would call elite, that do want change, some of them are in positions we would not expect. However, I draw your attention to the words and actions of of some ladies that I am not allowed to discuss under forum rules. Please take the time, to read some of their public statements and their preferred projects over the years. These educated, grounded wpmen know what to do and I just wish the boys would get out of the way and let them do what they needed to do. History was made when one made a strong statement with participation in a project on the abuse of women. It was never done before and she did it. I can't wait for the taboos to be broken so that the people of Thailand and a lot of farangs can hear from people that know what needs to be done and how to do it.

[anotherpeter]

Abhisit should resign in the next week or so after Songkran, dissolve the house and have elections in a few months.

Lots of shoulds in the Thaksin supporters lexicon.

But the one must is to put Thaksin in charge of the military reshuffle.

The job of the Thaksin cheerleaders is clear.

Still sticking to the bankrupt notion that everyone is a Thaksin supporter and apologist? I suppose you can't let go, otherwise you would have to accept the reality that Abhisit is now a lame duck, a spent force and finished, at least for now. He was done in by his own side. Mr. Korn and others betrayed him politically when they threatened him. Using the incessant Thaksin is to blame mantra allows your group to avoid dealing with the real politik here.

Get over it. Thaksin is also a spent force. The appropriate term has been used for him: He was a catalyst. This is not about Thaksin, but other more ingrained and serious issues, many of which will remain even if Abhisit resigns and a new government takes over. Thailand is coming to the fork in the road where tough decisions and taboo subjects will soon be discussed and it is something the country has been prevented from doing by those that benefited from the status quo. There are too many elderly males that cannot accept that the times are a changing. General Prem is the poster boy for that faction.

You so called experts think you know what's going on in the heads of the Thai leadership on both sides of the political struggle. Here's a newsflash; There are a large number of people in positions we would call elite, that do want change, some of them are in positions we would not expect. However, I draw your attention to the words and actions of of some ladies that I am not allowed to discuss under forum rules. Please take the time, to read some of their public statements and their preferred projects over the years. These educated, grounded wpmen know what to do and I just wish the boys would get out of the way and let them do what they needed to do. History was made when one made a strong statement with participation in a project on the abuse of women. It was never done before and she did it. I can't wait for the taboos to be broken so that the people of Thailand and a lot of farangs can hear from people that know what needs to be done and how to do it.

Why is it so important to the reds to have dissolution in 15 days? Where is the compromise? Where are the negotiations?