thaiman Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Awful awful photos of some of the dead on UDD website, tragic when an army fires on it's own citizens. Really sad. Yah, you can see the guy's brains hanging out of his head. Not a very smart guy. That's what you get when you pick a fight with an army. Duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Notice we are now more polarised than ever? It seems like events from today have failed to shift the opinion of either side. Sad. Where is it heading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman1 Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 (edited) From what I could gather from Abhisit's TV appearance, he's pretty far from calling it a day. He basically gave a quick rundown of events over the past two days in terms of what was legal/illegal, highlighted the deaths among the security forces and promised to go specifically after the people responsible for those deaths. Not sure if that little speech was intended more for the army leaders or the general population. Edited April 10, 2010 by hanuman1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherpeter Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Without any doubt, Abhisit's time to go has come. Disagree. He has tried restraint for weeks. But the reds kept pushing. He tried to negotiate with the red leaders, but Thaksin would have nothing of it. The reds tried to keep it peaceful, but they couldn't help themselves. Breaking into parliament. Breaking into Thaicom. Confronting the army at their military bases. The reds talked about non-violent protests. But non-violent protests don't involve sharpened sticks (spears), and they don't involve bombs. The reds have caused this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moresomekl Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 If it is proven that some of these people that died were paid by Thaksin to be there I would think he could be up on some very serious charges ' none of this would have happened if the red shirts were left to govern the country as duly elected... That's the truth. Democracy has been stolen in this country several times since 2006. The reds have a good point... Abhisit has offered to hold the elections in nine months from now. Seems very fair to me. With some negotiations the Reds could probably have reduced this timeframe to 6 months. But no, they stick to an unrealistic 15 days. People have died because of this stubborn attitude and many more were injured. The reds could have had a victory. By the way, when were the red shirts (except Jatuporn who is a MP) duly elected???? They won a victory tonite , at an horrendous cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiman Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 You don't look strong when you kill your own people just to stay in power. Didn't the Romans kill their own? And their empire lasted what, a thousand years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodiebkk Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 from bangkokpundit's blog "The army has now called for a truce, saying its troops have retreated." If you decide to use military force, you have to have enough sufficiently trained & motivated forces with achievable objectives, then you go in and seize them. It is clear, imo, that the army's heart has never been in this battle. As for the police... Today's actions were a deadly farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drronnie Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 The reds were firing and hurling grenades at the army who was using tear gas and water cannons. It was only after the reds starting using live ammunition that the soldiers shoot back. You cannot blame the soldiers for defending themselves, eventhought the outcome is very tragic for Thailand. My question is why do "reaceful" demonstrators have grenades and live ammunition handy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popmybubble Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 so how could taksin stop the reds? they've already said it's about more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moresomekl Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Without any doubt, Abhisit's time to go has come. Disagree. He has tried restraint for weeks. But the reds kept pushing. He tried to negotiate with the red leaders, but Thaksin would have nothing of it. The reds tried to keep it peaceful, but they couldn't help themselves. Breaking into parliament. Breaking into Thaicom. Confronting the army at their military bases. The reds talked about non-violent protests. But non-violent protests don't involve sharpened sticks (spears), and they don't involve bombs. The reds have caused this. Yes Abhisit must resign now . He sent soldiers with live ammunition , why did he do that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiman Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Without any doubt, Abhisit's time to go has come. Disagree. He has tried restraint for weeks. But the reds kept pushing. He tried to negotiate with the red leaders, but Thaksin would have nothing of it. The reds tried to keep it peaceful, but they couldn't help themselves. Breaking into parliament. Breaking into Thaicom. Confronting the army at their military bases. The reds talked about non-violent protests. But non-violent protests don't involve sharpened sticks (spears), and they don't involve bombs. The reds have caused this. They did cause it and now they are dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 (edited) And where is Abhisit?!?People keep dying because of him. Actually they are dying because of your hero Thaksin. They are just cannon fodder for him. And because of Abhisit as well Just not so. That is red spin and nothing more. ABHISIT is doing the job of being national leader, under the most trying of circumstances. Thaksin has been financing the aggravation of those circumstances. The blame must rest were it is most deserved. And that is in the lap of the one fomenting the violent situation. Not the one dealing with it as national leader. Edited April 10, 2010 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacknDanny Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Without any doubt, Abhisit's time to go has come. ok i'll bite why is that then? her looks stronger than ever to me You don't look strong when you kill your own people just to stay in power. It could all have been avoided by calling new elections. If he is indeed backed by the majority of Thais as he claims, he should have no problem winning an election and proving his mandate. Abhisit now has the blood of Thais on his hands, and the Thai people will not forgive him. Total utter <deleted> I cant be bothered to go into it with you!! All this would have been avoided had the war mongers Jatuporn et al been arrested. The hatred and threats spewing forth from their mouths over the past few days, has done nothing more than incite an already restless and potentially violent crowd, into pure evil killers. The reds were given chance after chance after chance. But because of the greed and ego of one man, all this has had to happen. I just hope Jatuporn and his band of monkeys face a long time in jail for incitement/treason and murder!! T#ATS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helvetian Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 The truth is that Abhisit lost face yesterday and had to regain it somehow today. His "strong response" and attempts to take back the rally sites have resulted in the deaths of Thai people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerchang Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 get the leaders first and give a free shuttle to e-saan and it's over ... i come over next week and it's not finish - i do it (45 replies but 0 views?) Another sad/bad day for LOS. Wish all this hadn't happened but kinda knew where this was going. Shame. Also sad day for lung for posting.....that. I can visualise the news report..."Here comes lung, charging through the reds with ease....and oh my god! he's got one leader in a headlock and is charging away with him to get #2. Amazing scenes here today folks. lung is unstoppable, a real force to be reckoned with." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailien8 Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Just my personal view on this:The government has done an incredible job keeping its cool. Personally, I'd would have picked up a club and smashed some teeth out of this Jaturporn. Absolutely amazing how K.Abhisit has kept going, even after Friday's trouble. There is, for me, no doubt that there is one principal reason behind all this which is greed for lost money. That people out there don't see this is not their mistake, it is a problem that will take generations to solve and you can not blame 99% of the red-shirts for whatever happened today and in the last 3 weeks. There is a small group of people that need to be punished for being responsible for the death of 9 people. That group is easy to identify, they all got arrest-warrants in the last 3 days or so. The only person escaping this would be Mr. Jutaporn, but my gut-feeling is that he will not show up in parliament anymore and loose his MP-immunity status very very soon and will be spat upon once he opens the door to enter parliament. How hard is it to actually arrest a few red leaders? They have all the legal warrants they need. They need to stop the hatred spewing from the loudspeakers every day and night, poisoning the minds of the nice Isan folks who took the offer of a little money, and a free trip to Bangkok. Well, this toxic propaganda has had its effect for sure. Now they're all stirred up with war fever as never before, and doing crazy stuff that had to lead to today's tragic violence. The reds have also introduced grenades and bombs to peaceful Bangkok. Will car bombs be next? I'm hoping this taste of force from the long-suffering Khun Abhisit is well-timed, helping make a safe trip back home for happy Songkran seem more inviting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitker Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Just saw Abhisit on TV. Impressive how much self control he shows. Wondering if such a balanced PM is not showing too early in Thai history. Facing him, shameless Zimbabwe-style red shirts leaders fooling innocent people to clash with the army for the sake of a billionaire hiding in Dubai. Not enough for them to excite them to risk their lives for an agenda they're not aware of, they then go drag their bodies from the hospital to parade them to excite other ones to get hurt for their master on the run. Sickening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahmburgers Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 The protests, violence, endless fighting and bickering will not end soon. Abhisit is in an impossible situation. He cannot win. boo hoo, what a pantywaist. Of course Abhisit can win. He's winning now. He found his vertebrae last night when he gave a strong speech to his security heads, and the Red Tide is being pushed back. He's the PM and he's finally asserting that fact. It's unfortunate that deaths and injuries are part of the equation, but that's what T and the Reds have wanted for weeks, and that's what they're now getting. More strife on Sunday. Most Reds will go home Sunday evening. Some mopping up of Red punk squads on Monday, and Bangkok will be on its way back to a semblance of normalcy. Oh, and Abhisit will carry on through his full term (as he should) because the one Red who spoke for the whole group (so much for Red 'democracy') wouldn't bend on working out a compromise. It's tragic that 11 have died so far. At least ten times that many will die in traffic accidents in the next week. Both are unnecessary. I was going to mention that. The 11 who died today is just ONE THIRD of the average # of Thais who die every day! ......AND . . . . . the average doubles in a few days - for that glorious water bucket tossing celebration known as Songkran !!!! Where are all the 'RIP' and "so sorries' ....for the 30 to 40 Thais who die each day from extremely selfish and ignorant drunk drivers ?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drronnie Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Without any doubt, Abhisit's time to go has come. Disagree. He has tried restraint for weeks. But the reds kept pushing. He tried to negotiate with the red leaders, but Thaksin would have nothing of it. The reds tried to keep it peaceful, but they couldn't help themselves. Breaking into parliament. Breaking into Thaicom. Confronting the army at their military bases. The reds talked about non-violent protests. But non-violent protests don't involve sharpened sticks (spears), and they don't involve bombs. The reds have caused this. Yes Abhisit must resign now . He sent soldiers with live ammunition , why did he do that ? And why did the reds have live ammunition and grenades eventhough it was supposed to be peaceful protest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 (edited) Without any doubt, Abhisit's time to go has come. ok i'll bite why is that then? he looks stronger than ever to me I don't see how he will ever be able to run a campaign again. Too many people after his head. Sad but true. He showed restraint against insurgents and terrorists much longer than any leader in the west would have. One disturbing thing I just noticed. The AP report in the Washington Post mentions the closure of BTS, but does not mention the REASON for the total closure, the terrorist threat on live tv by a major red leader Jatuporn, a member of parliament. Why is the western press showing this pro red bias? Edited April 10, 2010 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helvetian Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Abhisit has now joined an elite club of Thai leaders that have ordered the army and police to shoot on their own Thai people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carib Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Without any doubt, Abhisit's time to go has come. ok i'll bite why is that then? her looks stronger than ever to me You don't look strong when you kill your own people just to stay in power. It could all have been avoided by calling new elections. If he is indeed backed by the majority of Thais as he claims, he should have no problem winning an election and proving his mandate. Abhisit now has the blood of Thais on his hands, and the Thai people will not forgive him. Rubbish, after calling for elections and some others not agreeing with the result we will have another group on the streets. Some 100.000 out of 61 million want something and than it should just happen?? I think the offer to have elections in 9 months time was a good one, but of course it was refused because it will not convene with the `Thaksin momentum`. He cannot wait another 9 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonclark Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 As does Jatuporn et al , and 'new thai state creationist Veera, in fact all of them do.slinging mud, and hurling insults and not accepting responsibility it what caused tonights events, all sides are to blame in equal measure. I keep thinking though were the lives of all of those affected tonight worth trying to force through house dissolution in 15 days rather than the nine months Abhisit offered. I'm sure the families of those that died would rather have their loved ones back and wait nine months than live forever without them and have a house dissolution in 15 days. Such a sad day for the land of smiles. Without any doubt, Abhisit's time to go has come. ok i'll bite why is that then? her looks stronger than ever to me You don't look strong when you kill your own people just to stay in power. It could all have been avoided by calling new elections. If he is indeed backed by the majority of Thais as he claims, he should have no problem winning an election and proving his mandate. Abhisit now has the blood of Thais on his hands, and the Thai people will not forgive him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwwin Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 You don't look strong when you kill your own people just to stay in power. The same could be said about Thaksin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiman Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Abhisit has now joined an elite club of Thai leaders that have ordered the army and police to shoot on their own Thai people. Why is that so sad? Isn't that the Thai way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sealy Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 People channel has just informed that the militars are trying to take back the dead bodies from the hospital?!? Is there anything to hide? no, nothing to hide, but just to parade the dead bodies around to ask for blood for blood. expect more bloodshed. time for the real thing ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLSEEINGEYE Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Without any doubt, Abhisit's time to go has come. ok i'll bite why is that then? her looks stronger than ever to me You don't look strong when you kill your own people just to stay in power. It could all have been avoided by calling new elections. If he is indeed backed by the majority of Thais as he claims, he should have no problem winning an election and proving his mandate. Abhisit now has the blood of Thais on his hands, and the Thai people will not forgive him. First off, nowhere in the world would you see as much tolerance and patience as was shown by Abhisit over the last month. The reds were violent and out of control and provoked this violence. I think most Thais will thank the government for protecting them against this red menace. As for them not forgetting about this, it seems to me that the reds have quickly forgotten about the 2500 citizens that were killed without the benefit of a trial by Taksin as well as the citizens in the south that were handcuffed and suffocated by taksin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 If it is proven that some of these people that died were paid by Thaksin to be there I would think he could be up on some very serious charges ' none of this would have happened if the red shirts were left to govern the country as duly elected... That's the truth. Democracy has been stolen in this country several times since 2006. The reds have a good point... Jatuporn is the ONLY red shirt elected to any office. And he regularl makes a hash of it when he DOES show up in parliament... The other players are PTP, but too timid, or sane, to don red shirts. Red Shirts were NEVER elected to run the country. Only their manipulators ever were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Without any doubt, Abhisit's time to go has come. ok i'll bite why is that then? her looks stronger than ever to me You don't look strong when you kill your own people just to stay in power. It could all have been avoided by calling new elections. If he is indeed backed by the majority of Thais as he claims, he should have no problem winning an election and proving his mandate. Abhisit now has the blood of Thais on his hands, and the Thai people will not forgive him. he offered early elections the reds declined they escalated the rally to a violent level that needed resolving they drew first blood at The EC , then again at Parliament thats what the reds came for, thats what they got som nom naa now he needs to finish it. every ones here, end it once and for all deliver a humiliating defeat and send a strong message to all those who want to remove the government everytime something happens they do not like the ballot box is the correct way to effect a change not protests and violent demonstrations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackr Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Why is there no more live updates on the Saturday updates thread? Probably because it's Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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