Thai Anti-Riot Squad Cut Up By Soldiers In Black

[bendejo]

In a country where a member of the military supposedly sells arms to terrorists (which is what became of those missing munitions from a month ago, sold to southern insurgents (which I personally don't believe)) all bets are off. Anything involving more than two people is going to have a rat/traitor.

Maybe pointing at the southern terrorists has been all too convenient for getting the reds off the hook.

And anyway, what ever became of that investigation of the New Year's Eve 2008 bombing?

I think the reds have chosen to consolidate at Central World because the gov't can't use helicopters there. They said they will shoot helicopters down if used. Oh, wait a minute, how can they do that if they don't have arms?

We need an emoticon for two-faced. This one was prescient

Edited April 14, 2010 by bendejo

[LuckyLew]

So the question now is, what should the government do?

They're in a horrible position, with "unknown" people amongst the red shirts killing soldiers and getting red shirts killed (got in the way of the black soldier, got in the way of military fighting back, whatever), and the reds doing nothing to help the government catch the shooters or even willing to negotiate an end to the protests.

the government needs to find one of the shooters,(and do it fast before his own people kill him, on red shirt leader orders), turn him against his red leader paymasters and have him testify that he was told to shoot ordinary reds to make the army and the government look bad

the true red supporters will then kill the red leaders themselves

the rally will end, the red movement will end

Thaksin will be delivered up by one of the countries he hides out in

he will be brought back to Thailand, tried for treason and executed by firing squad

there will be new elections, Abhisit will win by a landslide

Or the reds capture one of the snipers and get him to confess to being paid by the govt to kill their own military and some reds to make the the red shirts look bad.

The govt will then resign if it hasnt already, house dissolved, Abhisit and his cohorts will be charged with treason/executed by firing squad.

there will be new elections and the red shirt supported party will win in a landslide.

Wow you live in quite the dream land

[LuckyLew]

In a country where a member of the military supposedly sells arms to terrorists (which is what became of those missing munitions from a month ago, sold to southern insurgents (which I personally don't believe)) all bets are off. Anything involving more than two people is going to have a rat/traitor.

Maybe pointing at the southern terrorists has been all too convenient for getting the reds off the hook.

And anyway, what ever became of that investigation of the New Year's Eve 2008 bombing?

I think the reds have chosen to consolidate at Central World because the gov't can't use helicopters there. They said they will shoot helicopters down if used. Oh, wait a minute, how can they do that if they don't have arms?

We need an emoticon for two-faced. This one was prescient

Couldn't they get the yanks to drop one of them clusters bombs?

[britmaveric]

Betcha anything that the next riot squad will be in FULL battle armor

to stop most rounds that could be hit with.

Won't do much good if you have armor piercing rounds mate.... Besides I doubt you will see any more military involvement in this mess or you will see mass casualties on both sides like Thailand has never seen.

[warriorneedswarrior]

In a country where a member of the military supposedly sells arms to terrorists (which is what became of those missing munitions from a month ago, sold to southern insurgents (which I personally don't believe)) all bets are off. Anything involving more than two people is going to have a rat/traitor.

Maybe pointing at the southern terrorists has been all too convenient for getting the reds off the hook.

And anyway, what ever became of that investigation of the New Year's Eve 2008 bombing?

I think the reds have chosen to consolidate at Central World because the gov't can't use helicopters there. They said they will shoot helicopters down if used. Oh, wait a minute, how can they do that if they don't have arms?

We need an emoticon for two-faced. This one was prescient

Couldn't they get the yanks to drop one of them clusters bombs?

ha ha Mr Luckylew -Yankies drop Cluster bombs on Reds ?????

Yankies need orders from Seh Daeng when he becomes defence minister -F18s- Droneplanes-

and AirforceOnce plane for Jautuporn when he becomes PM !!!!!!

Mannnn-- Wake up !!!

By the way ,can the Yankees help our impotent Thai Police to get the camera of a Japanese cameraman who was killed ???

that would be small drop of water in the OCean still --

[snorkelador]

So the question now is, what should the government do?

They're in a horrible position, with "unknown" people amongst the red shirts killing soldiers and getting red shirts killed (got in the way of the black soldier, got in the way of military fighting back, whatever), and the reds doing nothing to help the government catch the shooters or even willing to negotiate an end to the protests.

the government needs to find one of the shooters,(and do it fast before his own people kill him, on red shirt leader orders), turn him against his red leader paymasters and have him testify that he was told to shoot ordinary reds to make the army and the government look bad

the true red supporters will then kill the red leaders themselves

the rally will end, the red movement will end

Thaksin will be delivered up by one of the countries he hides out in

he will be brought back to Thailand, tried for treason and executed by firing squad

there will be new elections, Abhisit will win by a landslide

Or the reds capture one of the snipers and get him to confess to being paid by the govt to kill their own military and some reds to make the the red shirts look bad.

The govt will then resign if it hasnt already, house dissolved, Abhisit and his cohorts will be charged with treason/executed by firing squad.

there will be new elections and the red shirt supported party will win in a landslide.

That would not be that easy to pull off any longer to so with the black baklava guy or the other heavily armed guy right behind, that everyone seems to ignore, although his face is well exposed. Anyhoo, the red shirt leadership has already identified the front man as a red shirt guard who has done nothing wrong at all. Back to the drawing boards then before someone put their foot in their mouth again. All those spins will come back and bite you in the arse at one point. Once you are in it, you just have to keep it up - lie, lie, lie and then lie some more!

[TheOldWolf]

I know what the yellow shirts did when they sized the airport and goverment house. For many reasons i could not follow it as close as I have done this time. If you compare what the yellow shirt leaders said and did with what the red shirts leaders have said and done know. Similarities, deffrences?

[britmaveric]

^indeed the govt is fabricating heaps of sh*te hoping smth sticks. Acts of desperation. What amazes me - that people think these lads in black are the people responsible? I'm sorry, but we've yet to see the real culprits and I'm sure we never will.

[warriorneedswarrior]

Looks like more peaceful demonstrations.

BreakingNews: Thai protest leader vows no more talks with government, says 'red shirts' will establish single new base for 'final battleground' - Reuters

When will the Red leaders be satisfied. When there are more corpses Very sad.

Cheers, Rick

I've changed my opinion. This is armed insurrection bordering on civil war. The battle lines have been drawn. The battlefield is being prepared. Both sides are readying their forces. We can only sit and watch helplessly as Thailand tears itself asunder. Let us hope for a 'miracle' and that all sides can step away from this madness before it really is too late.

You are right to have changed your opinion J. Its already too late though, its been too late for a while. Thailand is already a failed state and we have to stand on the sidelines while it renews itself - fortunately, as foreigners, if we are sensible there is little risk to us. What will emerge from the wreckage will either be a full democracy or another Burma. Personally I would bet on the former but more lives have yet to be lost and a few Thais have to find themselves persona non grata.

I agree fully with all the above, the thinking is in tune with how things work here.

I have been studying more about Seh Daeng and it's clear that Taksin's movement has a significant military wing, presumably under Seh Daeng. Taksin has reason to seek revenge from the establishment, Seh Daeng has reason to seek revenge against Anupong. As a military general Seh Daeng could well influence parts of the armed forces that are not happy with Anupong (I don't know who or what, just assuming from past experience that the army is not that unified). Now picture the next showdown with a military splinter group switching sides to join Seh Daeng's black guards. If a general believed that Taksin can win, that Seh Daeng can take the field, that Abhisit is weak, that the old elite guard is loosing its grip, I can see that general switching colors easily.

Sure hope I am spitting nonsense.

Part of the Seh Daeng story. goggling Seh Daeng, Anupong and weapons brings up most of it.

The two generals had conflicts over Seh Daeng's visit(s) to Taksin in Cambodia, Seh Daeng (Major General Kattiya Sawasdiphol,) was removed from his current duty and assigned to instruct a dancing class. He is quoted as saying he will teach only one lesson, how to throw a grenade. He was eventually dismissed. He was later implicated in a grenade attach on Anupong's office that ocurred on Jan 15 , the day after Seh Daeng was dismissed! Around January 23 Anupong ordered officers at army units nationwide to arrest Seh Daeng immediately on sight. There is a reference to his house being raided saying Seh Daeng denied any link to war weapons seized in raids on his home and the living quarters of his aid. Last Saturday Anupong's commander in the field was laser targeted and taken out with a grenade.

Sound's to me like Anupong would be aware that Seh Daeng might pose a threat.

Here what the thai rumors goes on Anupong- Seh Daeng -and the Woman from army who went to see Takkie in London to write Takkis's autobiography-so we understand why Seh Daeng will never be caught and why Anupong will never take action against the Reds -

1)Seh Daeng knows lot of Anupong's secret --

2) One common woman is involved with both- the guy who is counting his days in Middleeast and the man whose house was hit by grenade !

3) And our great general is Takkis beneficiary !

[blackman]

^indeed the govt is fabricating heaps of sh*te hoping smth sticks. Acts of desperation. What amazes me - that people think these lads in black are the people responsible? I'm sorry, but we've yet to see the real culprits and I'm sure we never will.

[TheOldWolf]

I think red people handed the camera back to reuters. There been clips from his last shot on the Internet.

[britmaveric]

I think red people handed the camera back to reuters. There been clips from his last shot on the Internet.

Indeed and the red shirts took the journalist to the hospital, if I recall tried to speak thai to him, but he was speaking Japanese. The footage wasn't of much value from what reuters posted.

[valerian]

The reds presented a film to the government proving that someone had been killed by the military. Is that film available online?

[TheOldWolf]

I think red people handed the camera back to reuters. There been clips from his last shot on the Internet.

Indeed and the red shirts took the journalist to the hospital, if I recall tried to speak thai to him, but he was speaking Japanese. The footage wasn't of much value from what reuters posted.

Sometimes we agree! But I wonder if we have seen the whole footage? what I have seen is about 50 secunds and there is lot of replays. I must have had the camera running for more then that?

[britmaveric]

^possibly, but if there was smth extraordinary news worthy, you can bet reuters would have had it picked up world wide. So I quite imagine it was prob stock footage, and nothing that interesting.

Edited April 14, 2010 by britmaveric

[kissdani]

There are factions in the Thai military that interfere when when the army is used as a tool kill Thai people.

[warriorneedswarrior]

^possibly, but if there was smth extraordinary news worthy, you can bet reuters would have had it picked up world wide. So I quite imagine it was prob stock footage, and nothing that interesting.

haha---REALLYYYYYYYY????????????????

I HAVE 2 OPTIONS TO BELIEVE

1) EITHER YOU WERE BORN YSDY

2) OR YOU ARE REALLY BRITISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[britmaveric]

[warriorneedswarrior]

I think red people handed the camera back to reuters. There been clips from his last shot on the Internet.

CAN U LET US KNOW THE LINK ?

[britmaveric]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63B25A20100412

[blackman]

No surprise that it has got to this.

BPbreakingnews: P.Thai: Gen 'P' planning a coup

Cheers, Rick

not gonna happen, just a rumour to scare the black ops guys out into the open so the Army can take them out.

THE NATION: 6.08pm - NNA reported - Seh Daeng appeared at Ratchaprasong, being welcome and giving his autographs to red supporters.

as i predicted some hours ago, Seh Daeng has been forced to appear at the red rally to try to show a united front for his black ops guys and give them confidence that theres nothing to worry about being hunted by the government

he will be trying to keep their morale up after being named and hunted

if he fails one black ops guy may go over to the government and it will all be over for the reds or he will have to kill his own men to shut them up to save the movement

by showing up, it could be a fatal error for him too

[TheOldWolf]

http://www.aftonbladet.se/webbtv/nyheter/u...ticle6942041.ab

[Scott]

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[neverdie]

One post in all caps deleted.

Goto page 14, theres numerous there. Forum seems to attract people with learning disabilities or perhaps they lack basic typing skills.

[bangkokrick]

One post in all caps deleted.

Goto page 14, theres numerous there. Forum seems to attract people with learning disabilities or perhaps they lack basic typing skills.

Cheers, Rick

[anotherpeter]

http://www.aftonbladet.se/webbtv/nyheter/u...ticle6942041.ab

I've seen comments that the lsat film of the reuters guy showed which direction he was facing when he was shot. Anyone seen it?

[britmaveric]

^seem to be on the same side as the Army and was shot in the back.

[anotherpeter]

^seem to be on the same side as the Army and was shot in the back.

Yes ... that's what I've heard. Not from anyone credible though. Have you actually seen it?

[britmaveric]

Saw the footage he was filming, but not him getting shot and the camera falling to the ground if that is what you are referring to.

[animatic]

In a country where a member of the military supposedly sells arms to terrorists (which is what became of those missing munitions from a month ago, sold to southern insurgents (which I personally don't believe)) all bets are off. Anything involving more than two people is going to have a rat/traitor.

Maybe pointing at the southern terrorists has been all too convenient for getting the reds off the hook.

And anyway, what ever became of that investigation of the New Year's Eve 2008 bombing?

I think the reds have chosen to consolidate at Central World because the gov't can't use helicopters there. They said they will shoot helicopters down if used. Oh, wait a minute, how can they do that if they don't have arms?

We need an emoticon for two-faced. This one was prescient

Couldn't they get the yanks to drop one of them clusters bombs?

Actually I had been thinking; spraying a disorienting gas over the area or

even a simple eye irritant, and rendered them disorganized and unable to fight back full force.

Of course wind and location dependent too.

A bit dream land for here, but the stuff exists.