Bangkok: Assailants Fired M-79 Grenades At Sala Daeng Skytrain Station

[cmsally]

My cousin, who lives on Saladaeng went out and had a look at the site and reckoned no way those missiles could came from the direction of lumpini, simply no direct line of fire. They had to either come from Robinson or Chula (a tall place).

[hammered]

My cousin, who lives on Saladaeng went out and had a look at the site and reckoned no way those missiles could came from the direction of lumpini, simply no direct line of fire. They had to either come from Robinson or Chula (a tall place).

So expalin the vidoes we have all seen that those experienced in use of the weapon say were what you would expect or the report on FM100.5 we have all seen and that are ignored by the group of people pushiung this conspiracy theory. Of course there could have been more than one team or more than one perpetrator. Who ordered it is also the real question rather than where. However it is all immaterail in the mind of the neutral public as the news cycle has moved on and "what happened" has been formed in the collective mind of most it is a little too late and as I said before whoever wins the conflict will ensure the history books get written with their version. Cynical but true. Truth is not part of this game as everyone is lying as there is just too much potentially up for grabs and in a way that doesnt come round too often. This isnt about democracy or people's rights whichever group claims they are fighting for it or any of that stuff that is tossed around to feed the largely gullible foreign media.

Anyway news cycle has moved on and today sees a much watched speech. The clearance of some red blockades. An annoucement by a human rights group that the reds are infringing peoples human rights by searching them. Jatuporn announcing yet again an immediate clearance that didnt happen. Thaksin returning from the dead but looking a bit dodgy in the latest pictures which replace the photoshopped ones. People have already decided who fired those grenades. The news moves so quickly these days

[whiterussian]

It's a morally rotten stance, you don't justify the actions of one group by saying other group did it too.

Jesus Marimba, I would expect such a simple and basic tenet of morality to be pretty well understood by anyone by the age 10 or so.

Here Here!!!

good post.

So.. if/when the 'reds' win at election... and the PAD form a protest group.. the govt can by all means necessary stop them! (if they cease to behave well that is)

lets hope this is the last seige of bangkok.

[cmsally]

My cousin, who lives on Saladaeng went out and had a look at the site and reckoned no way those missiles could came from the direction of lumpini, simply no direct line of fire. They had to either come from Robinson or Chula (a tall place).

So expalin the vidoes we have all seen that those experienced in use of the weapon say were what you would expect or the report on FM100.5 we have all seen and that are ignored by the group of people pushiung this conspiracy theory. Of course there could have been more than one team or more than one perpetrator. Who ordered it is also the real question rather than where. However it is all immaterail in the mind of the neutral public as the news cycle has moved on and "what happened" has been formed in the collective mind of most it is a little too late and as I said before whoever wins the conflict will ensure the history books get written with their version. Cynical but true. Truth is not part of this game as everyone is lying as there is just too much potentially up for grabs and in a way that doesnt come round too often. This isnt about democracy or people's rights whichever group claims they are fighting for it or any of that stuff that is tossed around to feed the largely gullible foreign media.

Anyway news cycle has moved on and today sees a much watched speech. The clearance of some red blockades. An annoucement by a human rights group that the reds are infringing peoples human rights by searching them. Jatuporn announcing yet again an immediate clearance that didnt happen. Thaksin returning from the dead but looking a bit dodgy in the latest pictures which replace the photoshopped ones. People have already decided who fired those grenades. The news moves so quickly these days

Did the protestor who fled police to go behind army lines story get published? That was confirmed by many people in the Silom area.

[jdinasia]

My cousin, who lives on Saladaeng went out and had a look at the site and reckoned no way those missiles could came from the direction of lumpini, simply no direct line of fire. They had to either come from Robinson or Chula (a tall place).

So expalin the vidoes we have all seen that those experienced in use of the weapon say were what you would expect or the report on FM100.5 we have all seen and that are ignored by the group of people pushiung this conspiracy theory. Of course there could have been more than one team or more than one perpetrator. Who ordered it is also the real question rather than where. However it is all immaterail in the mind of the neutral public as the news cycle has moved on and "what happened" has been formed in the collective mind of most it is a little too late and as I said before whoever wins the conflict will ensure the history books get written with their version. Cynical but true. Truth is not part of this game as everyone is lying as there is just too much potentially up for grabs and in a way that doesnt come round too often. This isnt about democracy or people's rights whichever group claims they are fighting for it or any of that stuff that is tossed around to feed the largely gullible foreign media.

Anyway news cycle has moved on and today sees a much watched speech. The clearance of some red blockades. An annoucement by a human rights group that the reds are infringing peoples human rights by searching them. Jatuporn announcing yet again an immediate clearance that didnt happen. Thaksin returning from the dead but looking a bit dodgy in the latest pictures which replace the photoshopped ones. People have already decided who fired those grenades. The news moves so quickly these days

Yeppers --- there is certainly enough evidence to show that the launched grenades came from where the video's show them. You are also correct that there could have been (and likely was) more than one firing team. At some point you look at the preponderance of evidence and just move on. There will always be at least a few 'tin-hatters" that will look at one person's unverified claim and then ignore video evidence and the eyewitness testimony of the majority ...

[hammered]

My cousin, who lives on Saladaeng went out and had a look at the site and reckoned no way those missiles could came from the direction of lumpini, simply no direct line of fire. They had to either come from Robinson or Chula (a tall place).

So expalin the vidoes we have all seen that those experienced in use of the weapon say were what you would expect or the report on FM100.5 we have all seen and that are ignored by the group of people pushiung this conspiracy theory. Of course there could have been more than one team or more than one perpetrator. Who ordered it is also the real question rather than where. However it is all immaterail in the mind of the neutral public as the news cycle has moved on and "what happened" has been formed in the collective mind of most it is a little too late and as I said before whoever wins the conflict will ensure the history books get written with their version. Cynical but true. Truth is not part of this game as everyone is lying as there is just too much potentially up for grabs and in a way that doesnt come round too often. This isnt about democracy or people's rights whichever group claims they are fighting for it or any of that stuff that is tossed around to feed the largely gullible foreign media.

Anyway news cycle has moved on and today sees a much watched speech. The clearance of some red blockades. An annoucement by a human rights group that the reds are infringing peoples human rights by searching them. Jatuporn announcing yet again an immediate clearance that didnt happen. Thaksin returning from the dead but looking a bit dodgy in the latest pictures which replace the photoshopped ones. People have already decided who fired those grenades. The news moves so quickly these days

Did the protestor who fled police to go behind army lines story get published? That was confirmed by many people in the Silom area.

I think you miss my point. There are so many rumours and pieces of evidence real and fabrticated that nobody will know what happend. However people will come to believe something or not and for this news event the story has moved on and most people have foremd their opinion based on what they have heard and we are now on to more recent news. We are now in world where there is no truth there is only what people believe and Thailand is no different. And the propagandists on all sides in this power struggle want to form opinion with image, noise, speech, allegory, picture, video anyway they can. Some people are more malleable to one side or another because that is where their sympathies lie but most are somnewhere in the middle and quite disinterested but a qucik watch of their favourite news show or read of their favorite paper etc will leave them with an opinion which in most cases wont be changed

[jdinasia]

Fits completely what I said earlier.

The army is behind all this and the army is pulling the strings of Abhisit.

The army wants to turn Thailand in a second Burma and they will succeed by having a PM who is doing exactly as said by them.

If that's what the army wants they would have done it since the 2006 coup.

Hmmmm

this is a newish theory --- the army that took power away from Thaksin's corrupt extra-constitutional caretaker government actually wants to rule Thailand, but instead of ruling Thailand they called elections! Yeah this is 100% proof positive that they want to be the government!

now ... back to reality ... If the army stepped in right now a VERY large percentage of Thailand would welcome it just to end the troubles. They haven't had a new coup. Why? At this point one could surmise --- the army doesn't want to rule Thailand. (I am sure they do want a good budget and to have some power --- but they already have that!)

[animatic]

It's a morally rotten stance, you don't justify the actions of one group by saying other group did it too.

Jesus Marimba, I would expect such a simple and basic tenet of morality to be pretty well understood by anyone by the age 10 or so.

Here Here!!!

good post.

So.. if/when the 'reds' win at election... and the PAD form a protest group.. the govt can by all means necessary stop them! (if they cease to behave well that is)

lets hope this is the last seige of bangkok.

Well I didn't actuall say this top quote, I commented around if.

But it IS perfectly sound reasoning. Any 10 year old should know this.

[Deeral]

an election would give a majority to the Redshirts and their supporters.

Probably it wouldn't. PT would most likely need to form a coalition government.

that's precisely what I mean by "supporters.

The current govt is a coalition too which includes people out of the last "pro Thaksin" govt. coalition.

[LevelHead]

I notice that the loud mouthes of the YELLOW media are now not talking about this attack so much.

Their claims and flames of directly after the event are now gone. Perhaps they even suspect a "third hand" at play trying to incite a coup/martial law.

Why the need to such delay to the video and also the "secretive" nature as noted in the link below

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...t-30128110.html

I would suggest this is due to the splits in the Army. If you want to know more about the splits in the Army and why they are there I suggest reading links about the Army on the link below.

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2010/04/27/

You may get some enlightenment.

Or not if you are blind.

[bkkjames]

I notice that the loud mouthes of the YELLOW media are now not talking about this attack so much.

Their claims and flames of directly after the event are now gone. Perhaps they even suspect a "third hand" at play trying to incite a coup/martial law.

Why the need to such delay to the video and also the "secretive" nature as noted in the link below

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...t-30128110.html

I would suggest this is due to the splits in the Army. If you want to know more about the splits in the Army and why they are there I suggest reading links about the Army on the link below.

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2010/04/27/

You may get some enlightenment.

Or not if you are blind.

Nice try Levelhead. I thought you and Mr Orange don't believe the Nation - why would they publish anything damaging to the Government?

[LevelHead]

I notice that the loud mouthes of the YELLOW media are now not talking about this attack so much.

Their claims and flames of directly after the event are now gone. Perhaps they even suspect a "third hand" at play trying to incite a coup/martial law.

Why the need to such delay to the video and also the "secretive" nature as noted in the link below

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...t-30128110.html

I would suggest this is due to the splits in the Army. If you want to know more about the splits in the Army and why they are there I suggest reading links about the Army on the link below.

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2010/04/27/

You may get some enlightenment.

Or not if you are blind.

Nice try Levelhead. I thought you and Mr Orange don't believe the Nation - why would they publish anything damaging to the Government?

The Nation is not saying anything against the government, they would not as they are YELLOW, but they do of course note the "secrecy".

Its plain obvious when the mysterious BTS video's claimed as direct evidence where of course never released. The Nation's media crew were frothing at the mouth waiting for them, and waiting and waiting and now I think they realize whats going on so are dumping the story.

Its very likely it will never be known what happened.

I mean, the REDS have called for a UN Independent Inquiry into April 10th and April 22nd.

The government is refusing.

Can you guess who the so called "terrorists" are working for ?

Edited April 28, 2010 by LevelHead

[jdinasia]

There has been an ongoing investigation to the deaths that have occurred complete with Red shirts on the panel....

Yes I can state that the terrorists are working for Sae Daeng and that Sae Daeng is a red working for Thaksin.

[LevelHead]

There has been an ongoing investigation to the deaths that have occurred complete with Red shirts on the panel....

Yes I can state that the terrorists are working for Sae Daeng and that Sae Daeng is a red working for Thaksin.

WOW

I can state some terrorists are Thai's and also some Thai's work for the Yellow/PAD.

Do you think you fool some people with your spin ?

[jdinasia]

There has been an ongoing investigation to the deaths that have occurred complete with Red shirts on the panel....

Yes I can state that the terrorists are working for Sae Daeng and that Sae Daeng is a red working for Thaksin.

WOW

I can state some terrorists are Thai's and also some Thai's work for the Yellow/PAD.

Do you think you fool some people with your spin ?

No spin involved... you have Sae Daeng's Ronin .. you have Sae Daeng's warnings ... you have the photos of the black shirted terrorists mingling openly with the Reds.

I note you ignore the neutral investigation that includes redshirt participation ... why? because that kills your argument for other investigations. The fact that most of the reds that died were killed by the type of weapons shown to be carried by Sae Daeng's Ronin and they were shot back to front is the telling information so far from the investigation. It is clear that the reds needed Martyrs for the cause and that they provided those martyrs.

The question now becomes what should the legitimate military of the Kingdom of Thailand do when they see armed Red shirts and their black-shirted ronin military?

[LevelHead]

There has been an ongoing investigation to the deaths that have occurred complete with Red shirts on the panel....

Yes I can state that the terrorists are working for Sae Daeng and that Sae Daeng is a red working for Thaksin.

WOW

I can state some terrorists are Thai's and also some Thai's work for the Yellow/PAD.

Do you think you fool some people with your spin ?

No spin involved... you have Sae Daeng's Ronin .. you have Sae Daeng's warnings ... you have the photos of the black shirted terrorists mingling openly with the Reds.

I note you ignore the neutral investigation that includes redshirt participation ... why? because that kills your argument for other investigations. The fact that most of the reds that died were killed by the type of weapons shown to be carried by Sae Daeng's Ronin and they were shot back to front is the telling information so far from the investigation. It is clear that the reds needed Martyrs for the cause and that they provided those martyrs.

The question now becomes what should the legitimate military of the Kingdom of Thailand do when they see armed Red shirts and their black-shirted ronin military?

LOL

I suggest you go to the link below and read about the Army and who the "third hand" is. You might realize why Abhisit does not want any independent investigations, he has likely been ordered by his masters not to allow it.

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2010/04/27/

[gymboy33]

There has been an ongoing investigation to the deaths that have occurred complete with Red shirts on the panel....

Yes I can state that the terrorists are working for Sae Daeng and that Sae Daeng is a red working for Thaksin.

whats yr evidence?

or is it just yr view?

[ThisIsMadness]

There has been an ongoing investigation to the deaths that have occurred complete with Red shirts on the panel....

Yes I can state that the terrorists are working for Sae Daeng and that Sae Daeng is a red working for Thaksin.

whats yr evidence?

or is it just yr view?

whats your evidence that he is not !!

[hammered]

There has been an ongoing investigation to the deaths that have occurred complete with Red shirts on the panel....

Yes I can state that the terrorists are working for Sae Daeng and that Sae Daeng is a red working for Thaksin.

WOW

I can state some terrorists are Thai's and also some Thai's work for the Yellow/PAD.

Do you think you fool some people with your spin ?

No spin involved... you have Sae Daeng's Ronin .. you have Sae Daeng's warnings ... you have the photos of the black shirted terrorists mingling openly with the Reds.

I note you ignore the neutral investigation that includes redshirt participation ... why? because that kills your argument for other investigations. The fact that most of the reds that died were killed by the type of weapons shown to be carried by Sae Daeng's Ronin and they were shot back to front is the telling information so far from the investigation. It is clear that the reds needed Martyrs for the cause and that they provided those martyrs.

The question now becomes what should the legitimate military of the Kingdom of Thailand do when they see armed Red shirts and their black-shirted ronin military?

LOL

I suggest you go to the link below and read about the Army and who the "third hand" is. You might realize why Abhisit does not want any independent investigations, he has likely been ordered by his masters not to allow it.

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2010/04/27/

hope you have never critiicsed the Nation or Crispin for using unsubstantiated rteproting and rumours because that is what this piece is in totality. Whether it is correct or not is moot. And perosnally I have no problem with the unsubstantited stuff as I recognize it for what it is and enjoy gossip. However anyone who knocks the Nation on that should also knock this piece to show consistency in their line on reporting.

[jdinasia]

There has been an ongoing investigation to the deaths that have occurred complete with Red shirts on the panel....

Yes I can state that the terrorists are working for Sae Daeng and that Sae Daeng is a red working for Thaksin.

whats yr evidence?

or is it just yr view?

sae Daeng's statements --- the evidence of the shootings happening from back to front etc

BTW the New Mandala article is speculative but sae Daeng's statements and those of Methee both match each other AND match the facts.

[bkkjames]

I notice that the loud mouthes of the YELLOW media are now not talking about this attack so much.

Their claims and flames of directly after the event are now gone. Perhaps they even suspect a "third hand" at play trying to incite a coup/martial law.

Why the need to such delay to the video and also the "secretive" nature as noted in the link below

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...t-30128110.html

I would suggest this is due to the splits in the Army. If you want to know more about the splits in the Army and why they are there I suggest reading links about the Army on the link below.

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2010/04/27/

You may get some enlightenment.

Or not if you are blind.

Nice try Levelhead. I thought you and Mr Orange don't believe the Nation - why would they publish anything damaging to the Government?

The Nation is not saying anything against the government, they would not as they are YELLOW, but they do of course note the "secrecy".

Its plain obvious when the mysterious BTS video's claimed as direct evidence where of course never released. The Nation's media crew were frothing at the mouth waiting for them, and waiting and waiting and now I think they realize whats going on so are dumping the story.

Its very likely it will never be known what happened.

I mean, the REDS have called for a UN Independent Inquiry into April 10th and April 22nd.

The government is refusing.

Can you guess who the so called "terrorists" are working for ?

The Reds who aren't even officially recognized as anything than some group lawbreakers trying to overthrow the Gov+ are calling for the UN are they? Perhaps they should petition the UN to apply sanctions against Thailand for not conforming to some UN resolution that hasn't even been thought of or voted on yet.

Maybe they can get the Montenegro Government to expel the Thai Ambassador or something.

[quiksilva]

There has been an ongoing investigation to the deaths that have occurred complete with Red shirts on the panel....

Yes I can state that the terrorists are working for Sae Daeng and that Sae Daeng is a red working for Thaksin.

whats yr evidence?

or is it just yr view?

sae Daeng's statements --- the evidence of the shootings happening from back to front etc

BTW the New Mandala article is speculative but sae Daeng's statements and those of Methee both match each other AND match the facts.

The new manadala article claims it was not Tahan Pran, then why were black shirted soldiers carrying assault rifles have Tahan Pran insignia?

[Insight]

I'll read the posts of anybody who can read past ...

LOL

... because I certainty can't.

[KireB]

LOL

I suggest you go to the link below and read about the Army and who the "third hand" is. You might realize why Abhisit does not want any independent investigations, he has likely been ordered by his masters not to allow it.

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2010/04/27/

Reuters seems to have an opinion! (Thank you Misterjag)

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSSGE63P0RC

[jdinasia]

I'll read the posts of anybody who can read past ...

LOL

... because I certainty can't.

I am guilty of adding a LOL now and then, but I then usually add facts to refute spurious claims.

[bkkjames]

LOL

I suggest you go to the link below and read about the Army and who the "third hand" is. You might realize why Abhisit does not want any independent investigations, he has likely been ordered by his masters not to allow it.

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2010/04/27/

Reuters seems to have an opinion! (Thank you Misterjag)

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSSGE63P0RC

absolutely nothing new in that article - will play well in the US I imagine.

[gymboy33]

There has been an ongoing investigation to the deaths that have occurred complete with Red shirts on the panel....

Yes I can state that the terrorists are working for Sae Daeng and that Sae Daeng is a red working for Thaksin.

whats yr evidence?

or is it just yr view?

sae Daeng's statements --- the evidence of the shootings happening from back to front etc

BTW the New Mandala article is speculative but sae Daeng's statements and those of Methee both match each other AND match the facts.

The new manadala article claims it was not Tahan Pran, then why were black shirted soldiers carrying assault rifles have Tahan Pran insignia?

plus sae daeng has not stated he was the man behind any of it..just what his views were when asked,,,and that back to front arguement is a crap arguement coz they might not be always facing the "enemy", they could of easily spun round in retreat...

and methee "statements" are not official yet,,,he,s not even allowed visitors and probaly not legal advice

so it could be propaganda..

anyway jd yr original post sounded like you were abhisit (yr poster boy hero) making a official statement! lol maybe in yr dreams!! lol

[kissdani]

There has been an ongoing investigation to the deaths that have occurred complete with Red shirts on the panel....

Yes I can state that the terrorists are working for Sae Daeng and that Sae Daeng is a red working for Thaksin.

whats yr evidence?

or is it just yr view?

sae Daeng's statements --- the evidence of the shootings happening from back to front etc

BTW the New Mandala article is speculative but sae Daeng's statements and those of Methee both match each other AND match the facts.

Source?

What statements?

Where do you get your informations from and are you sure you understand everything well?

Facts or just the things you wanna believe?

[monkfish]

An Australian Soldier telling his point of view regarding the M-79 attack.

Recorded yesterday I believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdQSodVIZro

Edited April 28, 2010 by monkfish

[LevelHead]

Has this been swept under the carpet yet ?

Have the "eye witness" reports of the grenades coming from high up in nearby dept store been thrown into the bin ?

Has the Yellow "propaganda" machine been caught out here ?

UN Independent investigations are needed into this and April 10th. Given the government is refusing this, you have to wonder what they are trying to hide with both events in which civilians were killed.