Bangkok: Red-Shirts Slam Chulalongkorn Hospital For Evacuating Patients

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Protesters slam hospital for evacuating patients

BANGKOK (TNA) -- Key anti-government leaders Saturday criticised management of Bangkok’s Chulalongkorn Hospital for its chaotic evacuation of patients to other hospitals following the surprise raid there two days ago, and a road blockade in front of the hospital entrance put up by demonstrators was finally demolished on Saturday.

Jatuporn Prompan, a key leader of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), told journalists that ranking UDD leaders were trying to contact and apologise to the hospital’s senior officials after a group of UDD protesters stormed the hospital Thursday night on suspicious that armed soldiers were staying inside the hospital building and prepared to disperse the protesters.

No soldiers were found, but the hospital moved inpatients out of the hospital to other hospitals. Some patients whose symptoms were not too severe were allowed to return home late Thursday and early Friday.

Mr Jatuporn said his group feared that Chulalongkorn Hospital might use the patients’ lives as a propaganda “tool for the government” to disparage the demonstrators and said he considered the patient evacuation as “too strong a measure against the Red Shirts”.

The goverment was using the evacuation as a ploy to make the protesters look bad, Mr Jatuporn complained, and the public now has bad feellings against the Red Shirt protesters.

He went on to say that three key UDD leaders have been assigned to hold talks with Army Specialist Maj-Gen Khattiya Sawasdipol, a staunch supporter of fugitive ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, asking him to let protesters remove the blockade made up of car tyres and sharpened bamboo rods, making it impossible for emergency cases of patients to enter the hospital.

Protesters demanding that Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva dissolve the House on Friday afternoon dismantled the blockade in front of a Chula Hospiyal entrance on Ratchadamri Road. However, it was put in place a few hours later after Gen Khattiya turned up and advised the protesters to reinstall the blockade.

As senior police officers were again requesting a UDD guard leader for the protesters to remove the blockade early Saturday, Gen Khattiya, now temporarily suspended from duty following his attacks on the army chief, appeared at the scene and told the demonstrators not to remove the blockade. Protesters then surrounded police officers who later withdrew into the hospital.

However, the road blockade was finally removed.

The general atmosphere is expected to become tense again after Mr Jatuporn told protesters that more people from upcountry would join them soon. The UDD is expected to make a major move to press the government later. (TNA)

-- TNA 2010-05-01

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[hammered]

Hmmm. I wonder what they will say now that the The Supreme Patriarch is to be moved from Chula after concern was expressed by HRH Princess Sirindhorn as reported on the Nation tweets

[jdinasia]

This may as well read ---- "UDD Blames Hospital for UDD RAID on Hospital"

What are these idiots thinking? Oh yeah -- try and salvage some "face" after a staggering PR fiasco!

[Jingthing]

The reds remind me of burglars who break into houses and get hurt accidentally, and then they sue the homeowners. The reds are making this PR disaster worse for themselves. Which is of course good. Carry on reds.

Edited May 1, 2010 by Jingthing

[Insight]

The reds remind me of burglars who break into houses and get hurt accidentally, and then they sue the homeowners. The reds are making this PR disaster worse for themselves. Which is of course good. Carry on reds.

The just don't know when to put the spade down...

[way2muchcoffee]

The general atmosphere is expected to become tense again after Mr Jatuporn told protesters that more people from upcountry would join them soon. The UDD is expected to make a major move to press the government later. (TNA)

Looks like another move on the way to pressure government. The government is starting to be better prepared for these 'events'. Hopefully this one won't result in more deaths or injuries, but I don't hold on to much hope for that.

[lannarebirth]

The general atmosphere is expected to become tense again after Mr Jatuporn told protesters that more people from upcountry would join them soon. The UDD is expected to make a major move to press the government later. (TNA)

Looks like another move on the way to pressure government. The government is starting to be better prepared for these 'events'. Hopefully this one won't result in more deaths or injuries, but I don't hold on to much hope for that.

I think that's a bluff from Jatuporn. Sanoh is now calling for both parties to "take a step back", which I think is face saving code for the "red crowd is about to disperse". Then they'll try to claim some moral high ground.

[rixalex]

Gen Khattiya, now temporarily suspended from duty following his attacks on the army chief,

Temporarily suspended? What a complete and utter joke. Is he still pulling a salary i wonder? What is it that makes sacking a person from the army or the police such an impossibility?

[bobonzo]

These things will happen when criminals and thugs are a large part of the reds.

[whybother]

The goverment was using the evacuation as a ploy to make the protesters look bad, Mr Jatuporn complained, and the public now has bad feellings against the Red Shirt protesters.

The red leaders are just emphasizing the bad things they have done.

That just makes them look worse.

[schuimpje]

The general atmosphere is expected to become tense again after Mr Jatuporn told protesters that more people from upcountry would join them soon. The UDD is expected to make a major move to press the government later. (TNA)

Looks like another move on the way to pressure government. The government is starting to be better prepared for these 'events'. Hopefully this one won't result in more deaths or injuries, but I don't hold on to much hope for that.

I think that's a bluff from Jatuporn. Sanoh is now calling for both parties to "take a step back", which I think is face saving code for the "red crowd is about to disperse". Then they'll try to claim some moral high ground.

The reds have been nothing but bluff so far, trying to get the government into a fight. The government has learned from the 1 fight they had and is denying them any further battle that could get the reds the moral high ground. It's a matter of time before this problem will be solved. And as the army said earlier this week, we have time and resources, the reds don't, they stand to loose more and more support the longer this drags on. Deny them the moral high ground and they'll have to give up.

[schuimpje]

The reds remind me of burglars who break into houses and get hurt accidentally, and then they sue the homeowners. The reds are making this PR disaster worse for themselves. Which is of course good. Carry on reds.

The just don't know when to put the spade down...

Couldn't agree more with both comments...well said...

[jdinasia]

Gen Khattiya, now temporarily suspended from duty following his attacks on the army chief,

Temporarily suspended? What a complete and utter joke. Is he still pulling a salary i wonder? What is it that makes sacking a person from the army or the police such an impossibility?

He is a high-ranking member of the military, he couldn't just be sacked on a suspicion. (The attack on Anupong's residence). He COULD be sacked for his public statements and participation with the Reds. Anupong has suggested that Sae Daeng is the Army's problem to deal with.

I am suspecting a court-martial and summary execution at some point.

[frodo]

Jatuporn Prompan, a key leader of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), told journalists that ranking UDD leaders were trying to contact and apologise to the hospital’s senior officials after a group of UDD protesters stormed the hospital Thursday night on suspicious that armed soldiers were staying inside the hospital building and prepared to disperse the protesters.

The goverment was using the evacuation as a ploy to make the protesters look bad, Mr Jatuporn complained, and the public now has bad feellings against the Red Shirt protesters.

What a load of total crock! The reds leaders lied to the hospital to begin with. Five means five, not 100-200 rampaging thugs. The hospital administration owes nothing to a bunch of proven liars. Good for them for not accepting anything from any UDD member.

Make the "protesters" look bad? Jatuporn, et al., have done a wonderful job doing that themselves.

How much further down will these imbeciles go? Blaming the victims now. I am amazed the number of people who still believe, trust, and support them.

[Mekhong]

The reds remind me of burglars who break into houses and get hurt accidentally, and then they sue the homeowners. The reds are making this PR disaster worse for themselves. Which is of course good. Carry on reds.

The just don't know when to put the spade down...

Another nail in the coffin ...

[Gigabyte]

The reds remind me of burglars who break into houses and get hurt accidentally, and then they sue the homeowners. The reds are making this PR disaster worse for themselves. Which is of course good. Carry on reds.

Yes, totally. And what's next? When the reds will be shooting at each other they will blame the government, the army, the police and my pets at home that they all allowed them to steal weapons during their clashes with the army and police after kidnapping them? Sounds plausible... They shot themselves in the foot once, now twice, and still claim they are innocent demonstrators. Yeah....

[minburi2]

The general atmosphere is expected to become tense again after Mr Jatuporn told protesters that more people from upcountry would join them soon. The UDD is expected to make a major move to press the government later. (TNA)

Looks like another move on the way to pressure government. The government is starting to be better prepared for these 'events'. Hopefully this one won't result in more deaths or injuries, but I don't hold on to much hope for that.

I think that's a bluff from Jatuporn. Sanoh is now calling for both parties to "take a step back", which I think is face saving code for the "red crowd is about to disperse". Then they'll try to claim some moral high ground.

Came from upcountry yesterday evening and our minivan had to go trough several militairy and police checkpoints.

So an exodus from redshirts moving to BKK looks bit too much said

[animatic]

This may as well read ---- "UDD Blames Hospital for UDD RAID on Hospital"

What are these idiots thinking? Oh yeah -- try and salvage some "face" after a staggering PR fiasco!

FACE OFF.

About face... none left and nothing right either.

Face it boys no brass effrontery can deal with your having defaced the last vestiges of your facade.

Silhouette flacid and deflated. Your frontispiece a grimacing, hollow simulacrum of humanity,

No makeup charasdes can, mask this horridly rouged physiognomy.

A repellent aspect is all that remains.

[koosdeboer]

from the washingtonpost

In the current round of protests, Thaksin has secretly seeded the Red Shirts in Bangkok with former military personnel, said Viengrat Nethipo, a supporter of the Red Shirts who is an assistant professor of political science at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok. A number of government officials and independent observers share her view.

Thai police and army forces have seized caches of rocket-launched grenades from the Red Shirts. During the army's failed attempt on April 10 to move the protesters out, several fighters in black uniforms sprang into action on the Red Shirt side, according to videotape evidence.

Autopsies after the shootout showed that high-velocity bullets, many of them fired with precision to the head, neck and chest, had killed and wounded several members of the army, including the most senior officer at the scene. The lethal targeting suggested a high level of military command and control among the protesters.

Leaders of the Red Shirts say they do not know who the black-shirted fighters are or where they came from. Government leaders say that is absurd.

Kraisak Choonhavan, a member of parliament and a deputy leader in the government, said Thaksin's policies benefited rural people. But now, he said, "he employs killer-hunters who come from the military."

Although the stalemate continues in the streets of Bangkok, both Kraisak and Jaran said negotiations between the Red Shirts and the government are quietly underway.

[animatic]

Gen Khattiya, now temporarily suspended from duty following his attacks on the army chief,

Temporarily suspended? What a complete and utter joke. Is he still pulling a salary i wonder? What is it that makes sacking a person from the army or the police such an impossibility?

He is a high-ranking member of the military, he couldn't just be sacked on a suspicion. (The attack on Anupong's residence). He COULD be sacked for his public statements and participation with the Reds. Anupong has suggested that Sae Daeng is the Army's problem to deal with.

I am suspecting a court-martial and summary execution at some point.

Wouldn't surprise that there is a wall and a last cigarette waiting for him.

His back is against a different wall now ,and that makes him even more of

the loose cannon he has been.

[lazurus]

Gen Khattiya, now temporarily suspended from duty following his attacks on the army chief,

Temporarily suspended? What a complete and utter joke. Is he still pulling a salary i wonder? What is it that makes sacking a person from the army or the police such an impossibility?

from his duties as an aerobics instructor

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE4AK5...News&rpc=69

Edited May 1, 2010 by lazurus

[jfchandler]

Glad it's just temporary... Wouldn't want him to lose his Army pension over all this...

Gen Khattiya, now temporarily suspended from duty following his attacks on the army chief,

Temporarily suspended? What a complete and utter joke. Is he still pulling a salary i wonder? What is it that makes sacking a person from the army or the police such an impossibility?

He is a high-ranking member of the military, he couldn't just be sacked on a suspicion. (The attack on Anupong's residence). He COULD be sacked for his public statements and participation with the Reds. Anupong has suggested that Sae Daeng is the Army's problem to deal with.

I am suspecting a court-martial and summary execution at some point.

[schuimpje]

Another nail,...yes...

If there's another confrontation with the government where the reds loose, they'll go down.

As mentioned before, hopefully without loss of life, but the reds know they are about to go down.

This is scary as they might as well choose to go down in flames. Let's hope they will not...

The past week was decisive in this whole saga. Government has the upper hand now by the reds' own wrongdoing.

[jonnyscot]

BANGKOK (TNA) -- Key anti-government leaders Saturday criticised management of Bangkok’s Chulalongkorn Hospital for its chaotic evacuation of patients to other hospitals following the surprise raid there two days ago, and a road blockade in front of the hospital entrance put up by demonstrators was finally demolished on Saturday

ARE THESE GUYS REAL,,,,,,,,,, for f,,,k sake, the last time they entered a hospital they removed bodies of the dead, what do they expect the management to do,,,

[Mitker]

Help! Help!

We badly need red shirts apologists here! Right now!

dam_n! Where are you??

[jdinasia]

from the washingtonpost

In the current round of protests, Thaksin has secretly seeded the Red Shirts in Bangkok with former military personnel, said Viengrat Nethipo, a supporter of the Red Shirts who is an assistant professor of political science at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok. A number of government officials and independent observers share her view.

Thai police and army forces have seized caches of rocket-launched grenades from the Red Shirts. During the army's failed attempt on April 10 to move the protesters out, several fighters in black uniforms sprang into action on the Red Shirt side, according to videotape evidence.

Autopsies after the shootout showed that high-velocity bullets, many of them fired with precision to the head, neck and chest, had killed and wounded several members of the army, including the most senior officer at the scene. The lethal targeting suggested a high level of military command and control among the protesters.

Leaders of the Red Shirts say they do not know who the black-shirted fighters are or where they came from. Government leaders say that is absurd.

Kraisak Choonhavan, a member of parliament and a deputy leader in the government, said Thaksin's policies benefited rural people. But now, he said, "he employs killer-hunters who come from the military."

Although the stalemate continues in the streets of Bangkok, both Kraisak and Jaran said negotiations between the Red Shirts and the government are quietly underway.

Pretty Damning article from the Washington Post --- gotta link ----?

[mccw]

no word from the red tv members? come on how can you defend/ support / beleive these guys? just because you support the rights of the poor doesnt mean you have to b a red shirt! if these guys gained power it would b worse for everybody

[frodo]

from the washingtonpost

In the current round of protests, Thaksin has secretly seeded the Red Shirts in Bangkok with former military personnel, said Viengrat Nethipo, a supporter of the Red Shirts who is an assistant professor of political science at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok. A number of government officials and independent observers share her view.

Thai police and army forces have seized caches of rocket-launched grenades from the Red Shirts. During the army's failed attempt on April 10 to move the protesters out, several fighters in black uniforms sprang into action on the Red Shirt side, according to videotape evidence.

Autopsies after the shootout showed that high-velocity bullets, many of them fired with precision to the head, neck and chest, had killed and wounded several members of the army, including the most senior officer at the scene. The lethal targeting suggested a high level of military command and control among the protesters.

Leaders of the Red Shirts say they do not know who the black-shirted fighters are or where they came from. Government leaders say that is absurd.

Kraisak Choonhavan, a member of parliament and a deputy leader in the government, said Thaksin's policies benefited rural people. But now, he said, "he employs killer-hunters who come from the military."

Although the stalemate continues in the streets of Bangkok, both Kraisak and Jaran said negotiations between the Red Shirts and the government are quietly underway.

Thanks for that!

Read the article and much of what is being said about the UDD has truth to it. I can't state which parts I am referring to here, but a great read and Chavelit should also be a bit paranoid as well if he is behind this.

Edited May 1, 2010 by frodo

[koosdeboer]

from the washingtonpost

In the current round of protests, Thaksin has secretly seeded the Red Shirts in Bangkok with former military personnel, said Viengrat Nethipo, a supporter of the Red Shirts who is an assistant professor of political science at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok. A number of government officials and independent observers share her view.

Thai police and army forces have seized caches of rocket-launched grenades from the Red Shirts. During the army's failed attempt on April 10 to move the protesters out, several fighters in black uniforms sprang into action on the Red Shirt side, according to videotape evidence.

Autopsies after the shootout showed that high-velocity bullets, many of them fired with precision to the head, neck and chest, had killed and wounded several members of the army, including the most senior officer at the scene. The lethal targeting suggested a high level of military command and control among the protesters.

Leaders of the Red Shirts say they do not know who the black-shirted fighters are or where they came from. Government leaders say that is absurd.

Kraisak Choonhavan, a member of parliament and a deputy leader in the government, said Thaksin's policies benefited rural people. But now, he said, "he employs killer-hunters who come from the military."

Although the stalemate continues in the streets of Bangkok, both Kraisak and Jaran said negotiations between the Red Shirts and the government are quietly underway.

Pretty Damning article from the Washington Post --- gotta link ----?

Sorry there's something in the article too sensitive

[Jingthing]

no word from the red tv members? come on how can you defend/ support / beleive these guys? just because you support the rights of the poor doesnt mean you have to b a red shirt! if these guys gained power it would b worse for everybody

This point can't be emphasized enough. Just because you are anti-red does not mean you are pro-yellow, and most certainly does not mean you oppose programs to help people escape miserable poverty in Thailand.