Thai PM Abhisit Under Fire Over Deadly Crackdown

[jdinasia]

How would they fill their time, and vent their angst, without you sgtpeppers....

There is ALWAYS someone that has no clue about life in Thailand, Thai politics, and the different groups at work here that will excuse the violence of the reds and blame anyone but them ... If sgtpeppers/jerry isn't handy then there is always a Geo or 2

[Democrat]

'chaoyang'

It's a tough one. AGREE

* A mob takes over part of the city and basically says it will never go away unless it gets everything it wants.

I AM SORRY TO TELL YOU IN MOST COUNTRIES YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A PROTEST OR RALLY FOR AS LONG AS YOU LIKE AS LONG AS IT IS PEACEFUL. ESPECIALLY WESTERN COUNTRIES.

* An extremist member member (Seh Daeng) is assassinated and his still-breathing corpse is charged with terrorism.

* Finally the army moves in with live ammunition and 80+ civilians are killed.

WHAT HAS THE ARMY GOT TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS?

* After the group is fired on by the army of its own country, some members apparently torch highly valuable properties.

Ya, there are a few human rights violations in there, but then Abhisit tried every other means and showed a great deal of patience (either that of the army refused to move earlier).

YES MANY HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS THROUGH HIS TENURE AS WELL AS THE PREVIOUS GOVT'S.

If a group had taken and terrorized Times Square in New York, the US National Guard would have opened fire after about the second day, not the 60th, but then in "free" America, protesters wouldn't have been able to pull off what the Reds did in BKK. They would have been shot before the barricades ever got up. IN AMERICA IF THE PROTESTERS ARE PEACEFUL THEY WOULD NOT SEND THE ARMY IN WITH ANTI AIRCRAFT GUNS ARMOURED VEHICLES ETC. THEY WOULD NOT SEND THE ARMY IN FULL STOP. IF OVER 100 PEOPLE DIED AND WENT MISSING AND IT WAS STATE CONTROLLED THE GOVERNOR WOULD RESIGN. IF THE PRESIDENT SENT THE ARMY IN AND OVER 100 DIED AND WENT MISSING THE PRESIDENT WOULD RESIGN.

Lets face it Abhisit has made too many mistakes, I agree he had a difficult job but he screwed it, and should show accountability and resign.

[jonclark]

Does anyone know the international standards for evicting a large mob of criminals from a barricaded section of a major city? What is done in the UK or the USA when armed terrorists occupy the streets and attack security forces? Suggesting that there is a standard method for dealing with the Thai crisis is ridiculous, when has a similar event happened anywhere else?

I beleive the SAS storming of the Iranian embassy should be held up as evidence 101 for the defence on how to deal with armed terroroists according to international standards.

For a more recent analogy is suggest current events in Jamaica

[Phuket Stan]

Come on JD...be a little fair....they do give us some humour at times....I bet u r really glad now that your parents made u sit up in class and take notice of your teachers etc and learn some logical thinking and debate

[gl9999]

'chaoyang'

It's a tough one. AGREE

* A mob takes over part of the city and basically says it will never go away unless it gets everything it wants.

I AM SORRY TO TELL YOU IN MOST COUNTRIES YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A PROTEST OR RALLY FOR AS LONG AS YOU LIKE AS LONG AS IT IS PEACEFUL. ESPECIALLY WESTERN COUNTRIES.

* An extremist member member (Seh Daeng) is assassinated and his still-breathing corpse is charged with terrorism.

* Finally the army moves in with live ammunition and 80+ civilians are killed.

WHAT HAS THE ARMY GOT TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS?

* After the group is fired on by the army of its own country, some members apparently torch highly valuable properties.

Ya, there are a few human rights violations in there, but then Abhisit tried every other means and showed a great deal of patience (either that of the army refused to move earlier).

YES MANY HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS THROUGH HIS TENURE AS WELL AS THE PREVIOUS GOVT'S.

If a group had taken and terrorized Times Square in New York, the US National Guard would have opened fire after about the second day, not the 60th, but then in "free" America, protesters wouldn't have been able to pull off what the Reds did in BKK. They would have been shot before the barricades ever got up. IN AMERICA IF THE PROTESTERS ARE PEACEFUL THEY WOULD NOT SEND THE ARMY IN WITH ANTI AIRCRAFT GUNS ARMOURED VEHICLES ETC. THEY WOULD NOT SEND THE ARMY IN FULL STOP. IF OVER 100 PEOPLE DIED AND WENT MISSING AND IT WAS STATE CONTROLLED THE GOVERNOR WOULD RESIGN. IF THE PRESIDENT SENT THE ARMY IN AND OVER 100 DIED AND WENT MISSING THE PRESIDENT WOULD RESIGN.

Lets face it Abhisit has made too many mistakes, I agree he had a difficult job but he screwed it, and should show accountability and resign.

I disagree. Abhisit had an impossible job and he came out of this on top. He held off sending in the troops as long as he could and let the Red Shirts shoot themselves in the feet when he gave in to their election demands and they refused to disperse. The deaths were tragic but with footage of armed Red Shirts firing at the Army, the Army had every reason to shoot back.

Also, the Red Shirts burning down the buildings didn't help them either. People just need to see the smoldering remains of Central World. Abhisit calls these people terrorist. How do you deny not being one when you attempted to raze the city to the ground?

[Democrat]

Does anyone know the international standards for evicting a large mob of criminals from a barricaded section of a major city? What is done in the UK or the USA when armed terrorists occupy the streets and attack security forces? Suggesting that there is a standard method for dealing with the Thai crisis is ridiculous, when has a similar event happened anywhere else?

But Chad dont you remember this was a peaceful rally till the army marched in. Abhisit or whoever had control stuffed it right up. They let the UDD, PT, whoever, right in the door. The traffic was still flowing it was like a carnival for many people not only the reds. That fateful night apr10 the army marched towards the protesters, no barricades. All hel_l broke loose, what a stuff up. Had the controller, Abhisit, whoever, waited for them to make a wrong move. He would be a hero,

[jonclark]

Some of the things being said in this debate are just plain stupid.

On Apr 10 PM "requested return of occupied area", Sunai says, "just like Hitler requested return of (economic) area from Jews

These comparisons of people to Hitler are quite ridiculous and a sign of immaturity on the behalf of the accusers. Is this what passes off as debate here ?

Anyone with a balanced view will know these comparisons are both unfair and inflammatory. It is sad that Thailand has people making such comments in positions of power. Can you imagine the furore if such comments were made in parliament in any developed nation ?

In Thailand, it's just par for the course. It is very sad indeed.

The opposition should be thankful he isn't like Hitler otherwise it would be off to the gas chamber with all PTP MP's, and if they think Hitler would sit down and talk about reconcilliation and / or allow a censure debate on his leadership they are clearly mad, or obviously taking direction form someone who is mad. The 'hitler' reference is clearly there to garner support or sympathy for the reds from a western audience. Since when did Thais use western figures to cross reference and compare Thai figures, unless it is for a wider audience that has little understanding of the complexities of the politics and only see the spin. PTP MP's talking out their fat, well paid backsides.

Whenever reference is made to Western or "outside" Thailand political personalities, the references are normally nonsense. Vis a vis the red leader wearing a Ghandi T-shirt, or people here likening the reds to the civil rights movement and Martin Luther King in the US.

History or political history isn't a strong point in Thailand, hence why it appears ok to have an illegal protests and attempt and sometimes succeed to overthrow governments. Understanding real political sacrifice doesn't extend much beyond sitting in the sun for a long time when it comes to doing it Thai style.

Agreed - but my gut feeling is that the hitler reference was added into the mix as a request from Mr. Amsterdam to allow western tv audiences to rightly or wrongly compare the actions of this government with a historical hate figure. Taksin wants this played out to a global audience so he needs an instantly recognisable hate figure to associate abhisit with.

[chadintheusa]

The PM bent over backwards to avoid violence, but the protesters refused to cooperate.

Newsflash: Killing 80+ people isn't exactly "bending over backwards to avoid violence".

Well not killing 5000 is pretty good. How many people did the reds try to kill when they set fire to occupied buildings? How many civilians and police are an acceptable amount for the reds to have killed before they should be stopped? Allowing those nuts to run loose for so long shows a hesitation to resort to violence, something the reds never had. I'd estimate that at least 10-20 of the dead were either soldiers, police, or other non reds. So only killing 60 reds in a two month confrontation with an armed group of militants is a low figure. The 80 killed includes those killed by the reds. How many did the Jamaicans kill in their attempt to arrest that drug lord? At least 44 in an operation that only lasted days. Compared with the Jamaicans the final crackdown was a resounding success, they arrested most of the leaders. Maybe in the future the Thai example will be the standard for how to deal with attempts to start a civil war.

[473geo]

How would they fill their time, and vent their angst, without you sgtpeppers....

There is ALWAYS someone that has no clue about life in Thailand, Thai politics, and the different groups at work here that will excuse the violence of the reds and blame anyone but them ... If sgtpeppers/jerry isn't handy then there is always a Geo or 2

There are many who have no clue (I have, as you may recall, honestly admitted as much)....most who have no clue would be the self expressed experts.....the wiki kings...the bull drawn to the red rag...

[noel2499rk]

Does anyone know the international standards for evicting a large mob of criminals from a barricaded section of a major city? What is done in the UK or the USA when armed terrorists occupy the streets and attack security forces? Suggesting that there is a standard method for dealing with the Thai crisis is ridiculous, when has a similar event happened anywhere else?

A similar event occured in in Thailand in 2008, when a large mob of facist criminals barricaded different sections of the city for a total of 192 days. The government response was to allow the protest to continue until the large mob of criminals got what they wanted and the protest ended.

[ozzieman05]

Thai PM defends crackdown ahead of censure debate

BANGKOK (AFP) -- Thailand's premier on Monday defended a deadly army crackdown on anti-government protesters as he prepared for a grilling in parliament on his handling of the crisis.

"The government and army had no intention to attack people," Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said ahead of the two-day no confidence debate.

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

"The government and army hand no intention to attack people " but had the intention to shoot and killed....and many civilians were shot in the back....

while the band played Waltzin Matilda

Please give the real people here who want a better Thailand a break

we expect nothing better from disciples of Thaskin

[Thai at Heart]

Agreed - but my gut feeling is that the hitler reference was added into the mix as a request from Mr. Amsterdam to allow western tv audiences to rightly or wrongly compare the actions of this government with a historical hate figure. Taksin wants this played out to a global audience so he needs an instantly recognisable hate figure to associate abhisit with.

Well, one would presume that Mr. Amsterdam is more than aware of how ridiculous a comparison this is. I would suggest that if Mr. Amsterdam wants to win the court of public opinion making such ridiculous statements is hurting his case not helping. He needs to go and read a potted history to Thai politics and the role of the army for the last 60 years, to maybe get a handle on what is going on here.

One would presume that Godwin's law is almost applicable to the general media when comparisons of apples and pears are being made. Screaming loudly from the roof top that actions are similar to Hitler's when they patently are not, doesn't do much to help winning the argument I would assume.

[noel2499rk]

The PM bent over backwards to avoid violence, but the protesters refused to cooperate.

Newsflash: Killing 80+ people isn't exactly "bending over backwards to avoid violence".

Well not killing 5000 is pretty good. How many people did the reds try to kill when they set fire to occupied buildings? How many civilians and police are an acceptable amount for the reds to have killed before they should be stopped? Allowing those nuts to run loose for so long shows a hesitation to resort to violence, something the reds never had. I'd estimate that at least 10-20 of the dead were either soldiers, police, or other non reds. So only killing 60 reds in a two month confrontation with an armed group of militants is a low figure. The 80 killed includes those killed by the reds. How many did the Jamaicans kill in their attempt to arrest that drug lord? At least 44 in an operation that only lasted days. Compared with the Jamaicans the final crackdown was a resounding success, they arrested most of the leaders. Maybe in the future the Thai example will be the standard for how to deal with attempts to start a civil war.

Actually 9 soldiers died in the two months, 1 of them being Sah Deang, 2 died in friendly fire incidents, 5 died on April 10. From April 11 to May 19 one soldier was killed by fire from protesters.

[chadintheusa]

Does anyone know the international standards for evicting a large mob of criminals from a barricaded section of a major city? What is done in the UK or the USA when armed terrorists occupy the streets and attack security forces? Suggesting that there is a standard method for dealing with the Thai crisis is ridiculous, when has a similar event happened anywhere else?

But Chad dont you remember this was a peaceful rally till the army marched in. Abhisit or whoever had control stuffed it right up. They let the UDD, PT, whoever, right in the door. The traffic was still flowing it was like a carnival for many people not only the reds. That fateful night apr10 the army marched towards the protesters, no barricades. All hel_l broke loose, what a stuff up. Had the controller, Abhisit, whoever, waited for them to make a wrong move. He would be a hero,

The nightly grenade attacks in Bangkok and the periodic street battles with the army are evidence this was not a peaceful protest. Sure with so many clowns it will feel like a carnival, but that's not the whole story. On April 10 the protesters tried to storm an army barracks, that set the tone for the night that followed. You are also the forgetting that on April 10 the militant reds used the confrontation to launch armed attacks on the army killing several soldiers. Peaceful rally surely you jest.

[473geo]

Come on JD...be a little fair....they do give us some humour at times....I bet u r really glad now that your parents made u sit up in class and take notice of your teachers etc and learn some logical thinking and debate

I learnt that there can be right and wrong on both sides.......in order to reach a conclusion one must learn to accept this may well be the case......

[yoshiwara]

Does anyone know the international standards for evicting a large mob of criminals from a barricaded section of a major city? What is done in the UK or the USA when armed terrorists occupy the streets and attack security forces? Suggesting that there is a standard method for dealing with the Thai crisis is ridiculous, when has a similar event happened anywhere else?

But Chad dont you remember this was a peaceful rally till the army marched in. Abhisit or whoever had control stuffed it right up. They let the UDD, PT, whoever, right in the door. The traffic was still flowing it was like a carnival for many people not only the reds. That fateful night apr10 the army marched towards the protesters, no barricades. All hel_l broke loose, what a stuff up. Had the controller, Abhisit, whoever, waited for them to make a wrong move. He would be a hero,

A melange of disinformation.

This was no 'happy hour' with the reds.

Red cheerleaders pulling out all the stops today!

[chadintheusa]

Does anyone know the international standards for evicting a large mob of criminals from a barricaded section of a major city? What is done in the UK or the USA when armed terrorists occupy the streets and attack security forces? Suggesting that there is a standard method for dealing with the Thai crisis is ridiculous, when has a similar event happened anywhere else?

But Chad dont you remember this was a peaceful rally till the army marched in. Abhisit or whoever had control stuffed it right up. They let the UDD, PT, whoever, right in the door. The traffic was still flowing it was like a carnival for many people not only the reds. That fateful night apr10 the army marched towards the protesters, no barricades. All hel_l broke loose, what a stuff up. Had the controller, Abhisit, whoever, waited for them to make a wrong move. He would be a hero,

The nightly grenade attacks in Bangkok and the periodic street battles with the army are evidence this was not a peaceful protest. Sure with so many clowns it will feel like a carnival, but that's not the whole story. On April 10 the protesters tried to storm an army barracks, that set the tone for the night that followed. You are also the forgetting that on April 10 the militant reds used the confrontation to launch armed attacks on the army killing several soldiers. Peaceful rally surely you jest.

[chadintheusa]

The PM bent over backwards to avoid violence, but the protesters refused to cooperate.

Newsflash: Killing 80+ people isn't exactly "bending over backwards to avoid violence".

Well not killing 5000 is pretty good. How many people did the reds try to kill when they set fire to occupied buildings? How many civilians and police are an acceptable amount for the reds to have killed before they should be stopped? Allowing those nuts to run loose for so long shows a hesitation to resort to violence, something the reds never had. I'd estimate that at least 10-20 of the dead were either soldiers, police, or other non reds. So only killing 60 reds in a two month confrontation with an armed group of militants is a low figure. The 80 killed includes those killed by the reds. How many did the Jamaicans kill in their attempt to arrest that drug lord? At least 44 in an operation that only lasted days. Compared with the Jamaicans the final crackdown was a resounding success, they arrested most of the leaders. Maybe in the future the Thai example will be the standard for how to deal with attempts to start a civil war.

Actually 9 soldiers died in the two months, 1 of them being Sah Deang, 2 died in friendly fire incidents, 5 died on April 10. From April 11 to May 19 one soldier was killed by fire from protesters.

Plus the journalists they aren't reds, and some of those were red victims too and the woman killed in the skytrain attack.

[kuffki]

Abhisit is starting to sound like a clown with his pathetic excuses and inability to take responsibility.

If anything. i think someone continues to sound like a clown and makes even a bigger clown with comments like this.

I guess the suffering of 20 000 000 people do not need to be taken into account and the majority-more like 90% of the country should just bow down and accommodate clowns in red

[TheOldWolf]

'chaoyang'

It's a tough one. AGREE

* A mob takes over part of the city and basically says it will never go away unless it gets everything it wants.

I AM SORRY TO TELL YOU IN MOST COUNTRIES YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A PROTEST OR RALLY FOR AS LONG AS YOU LIKE AS LONG AS IT IS PEACEFUL. ESPECIALLY WESTERN COUNTRIES.

* An extremist member member (Seh Daeng) is assassinated and his still-breathing corpse is charged with terrorism.

* Finally the army moves in with live ammunition and 80+ civilians are killed.

WHAT HAS THE ARMY GOT TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS?

* After the group is fired on by the army of its own country, some members apparently torch highly valuable properties.

Ya, there are a few human rights violations in there, but then Abhisit tried every other means and showed a great deal of patience (either that of the army refused to move earlier).

YES MANY HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS THROUGH HIS TENURE AS WELL AS THE PREVIOUS GOVT'S.

If a group had taken and terrorized Times Square in New York, the US National Guard would have opened fire after about the second day, not the 60th, but then in "free" America, protesters wouldn't have been able to pull off what the Reds did in BKK. They would have been shot before the barricades ever got up. IN AMERICA IF THE PROTESTERS ARE PEACEFUL THEY WOULD NOT SEND THE ARMY IN WITH ANTI AIRCRAFT GUNS ARMOURED VEHICLES ETC. THEY WOULD NOT SEND THE ARMY IN FULL STOP. IF OVER 100 PEOPLE DIED AND WENT MISSING AND IT WAS STATE CONTROLLED THE GOVERNOR WOULD RESIGN. IF THE PRESIDENT SENT THE ARMY IN AND OVER 100 DIED AND WENT MISSING THE PRESIDENT WOULD RESIGN.

Lets face it Abhisit has made too many mistakes, I agree he had a difficult job but he screwed it, and should show accountability and resign.

In most western countries you have a talk with the police before the demonstration. You agree of where to hold the demonstration and for how long. As soon as you bbrake the agrement the police will brake up the demonstration.

It was no problem with the first site. Not even when the reds rallied the city and caused traffic jams. It was when they desided to move inside the business district, that the goverment reacted and say no, go back, you are not allowed to stay here.

Before that, he PM agreed to meet the red leaders in a negotiation. He came with on offer, with was turned down with no counter offer. The reds stormed the EC and the parlament. Yes indeed very peaceful acts, that no western country would allowed.

[Samuian]

Some of the things being said in this debate are just plain stupid.

On Apr 10 PM "requested return of occupied area", Sunai says, "just like Hitler requested return of (economic) area from Jews

These comparisons of people to Hitler are quite ridiculous and a sign of immaturity on the behalf of the accusers. Is this what passes off as debate here ?

Anyone with a balanced view will know these comparisons are both unfair and inflammatory. It is sad that Thailand has people making such comments in positions of power. Can you imagine the furore if such comments were made in parliament in any developed nation ?

In Thailand, it's just par for the course. It is very sad indeed.

It seems that some can't even be bothered to be serious - very few will realize what is said in relation to whom or what.... very few do care this is why this country is in such a dilemma in the first place - if more people would genuinely care, the fugitive would be behind bars and not inciting more and more hatred and division in this country...!

It's plain ridiculous and it seems the "the man" is all way too much aware of this fact!

he may even be able to convince certain people - at first glance.... it's plain ridiculous what is going on here - the result of decades of internship, nepotism and massive "institutionalized corruption - remember the poll -= many think it is okay if the government - officials are "a bit corrupt"....

it's ridiculous, yes if not plain stupid, what is allowed to go on and on, and on.... that some very bad, but very well paid instigators can just keep on doing this....!

Welcome to TiT!

[AliasJohn]

The PM bent over backwards to avoid violence, but the protesters refused to cooperate.

Newsflash: Killing 80+ people isn't exactly "bending over backwards to avoid violence".

you sound like the Farang morons that are behind bars.

[473geo]

Abhisit is playing this ok, but sadly even his supporters on TVisa are missing yet another master stroke, (prefering to berate others while failing to praise Abhisit) he would aways have taken some mud slinging regarding his actions. Today he brings all the accusations out into the open, he will respond. If he is allowed to continue he will have effectively survived the mud slinging and if it starts again can refer to this day. He is making sure there is an open wound, not a festering sore, a good move in his effort to move Thailand forward.

Edited May 31, 2010 by 473geo

[Rucharee]

The PM bent over backwards to avoid violence, but the protesters refused to cooperate.

Newsflash: Killing 80+ people isn't exactly "bending over backwards to avoid violence".

Well not killing 5000 is pretty good. How many people did the reds try to kill when they set fire to occupied buildings? How many civilians and police are an acceptable amount for the reds to have killed before they should be stopped? Allowing those nuts to run loose for so long shows a hesitation to resort to violence, something the reds never had. I'd estimate that at least 10-20 of the dead were either soldiers, police, or other non reds. So only killing 60 reds in a two month confrontation with an armed group of militants is a low figure. The 80 killed includes those killed by the reds. How many did the Jamaicans kill in their attempt to arrest that drug lord? At least 44 in an operation that only lasted days. Compared with the Jamaicans the final crackdown was a resounding success, they arrested most of the leaders. Maybe in the future the Thai example will be the standard for how to deal with attempts to start a civil war.

All those 90 killed may have packing assault rifles and grenade launchers with them when they were shot.

All the weapons must have been removed before the body were removed.

[djayz]

Abhisit is starting to sound like a clown with his pathetic excuses and inability to take responsibility.

I'm positively surprised that the cr*p didn't start until Post # 5 - I honestly expected it to start much sooner...

If it wasn't for Abhisit things could have turned out A LOT worse... be grateful he was so patient! I know no other PM or country that would have tolerated this abuse for so long. Do you Sgt. Pepper?

[Siripon]

Some of the things being said in this debate are just plain stupid.

On Apr 10 PM "requested return of occupied area", Sunai says, "just like Hitler requested return of (economic) area from Jews

These comparisons of people to Hitler are quite ridiculous and a sign of immaturity on the behalf of the accusers. Is this what passes off as debate here ?

Anyone with a balanced view will know these comparisons are both unfair and inflammatory. It is sad that Thailand has people making such comments in positions of power. Can you imagine the furore if such comments were made in parliament in any developed nation ?

In Thailand, it's just par for the course. It is very sad indeed.

Sunai who said this, is sometimes referred to as 'sunak' (dog) because that is what he is, just a loudmouth who loves to be in the forefront of every debate and rarely say anything substantial. All bark and no bite.

For those of you who watch debates in Parliament he is the white haired man who's constantly throwing his arms about in animated gestures, entertaining, but of no lasting benefit.

[Rucharee]

What crack down?

Mark repeated & repeated again & again, that the army have NEVER enter both protest sites. The army in both occasion is just having coffee on the outside parameters.

[noel2499rk]

Plus the journalists they aren't reds, and some of those were red victims too and the woman killed in the skytrain attack.

Two journalists died Hiroyuki Muramoto and Fabio Polenghi, Mr Polenghi appears to have been shot by the army see here. Hiroyuki died on April 10 and it seems he was standing with the army when he was shot so we can assume he was shot by blackshirts.

Other journalists who were shot but lived include Nelson Rand and Nation photographer Chaiwat Pumpuang both of whom were shot by army. While a Canadian journalist Chandler was hit by shrapnel from a grenade fired at the army positions, which also injured 3 soldiers quite seriously, again Blackshirts must be responsible for this.

The Sala Daeng M79 attack now that is a strange one remember what Suthep told us "The M79 grenades were fired from behind the Rama 6 monument", this was 3 hours after the grenade attack in a statement on ASTV. Also Deputy Bangkok Governor Thirachon Manomaipibul said video records from security cameras of the BTS' Saladaeng station showed that m79 grenades were fired from the Lumpini Park. We still haven't seen this video evidence.

Then we have Khunying MD Pornthip telling us in her report that the grenades were fried from inside Chulalongkorn hospital see here.

The same hospital that refused to treat police officers injured fighting the PAD in 2008.see here.

So it is not so clear cut to me where this BTS attack can be attributed to.

[sgtpeppers]

Abhisit is starting to sound like a clown with his pathetic excuses and inability to take responsibility.

I'm positively surprised that the cr*p didn't start until Post # 5 - I honestly expected it to start much sooner...

If it wasn't for Abhisit things could have turned out A LOT worse... be grateful he was so patient! I know no other PM or country that would have tolerated this abuse for so long. Do you Sgt. Pepper?

I don't know what is more pathetic, posters making lame excuses for Abhisits crimes or Abhisits own lame excuses.

[Mystory]

Newsflash; Over a TWO MONTH period it is.

Maybe its just me, but putting a time limit on the value of a human life like that is unacceptable.

If 'peaceful protesters' want to live, they shouldn't be packing assault rifles and grenade launchers.

Duh.

Great comment "Ha" If I run the TV networks. I would have rolled tanks, machine guns and airforce planes in there to, Then showed it on TV to the nation and say if I didnt kill these 88 people they would have destroyed Bangkok. DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING ON TV.