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Ijustwannateach Star Member

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If you feel like asking about fake degrees, insufficient qualifications, non-native speaking TEFL, or whether or not someone should have a teacher's certification from their home country to be able to teach here, please post here or on one of these many other fine threads ALREADY OPEN on the topic, including:

(it's surprising how many of these threads are started by new posters who say "I'm not a teacher, but....")

"Just Curious"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=38696

"Degree Needed to Teach In Thailand"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=38695

"Teachers, Qualifications"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=38535

"Is It Really Necessary to Be a Native Speaker?"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=38264

"Fake Degrees Work In Thailand" - A classic 6 pager

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=21272

"'instant' degree for Red Tape" - this one is closed, but still dodgy

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=24254

"Degree - what's the purpose?"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=22515

"Teaching In Thailand"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=22216

"Degree Confusion"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=22148

"If Not Qualifications, What?" - this one came out fighting!

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=21092

"Non-native speakers, accents et al"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=21104

"Genuine qualifications"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20760

"Teaching English By Non-Native Speaker"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=18605

"Teaching With No Experience"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?sh...pic=16585&st=75

"Teaching- No Quals No Work Permit No problem" - another fighter!

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17658

"'qualified' to teach- who is?"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16100

"non-native- Can I get a teaching position?"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17107

"Open University Degree In Order to Teach"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16099

"Degree Requirements"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=15803

"Appropriate Qualifications"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=15203

Ijustwannateach Star Member

Ijustwannateach

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No condoms, but you *do* get as much kanom and cold-food-in-a-bag as you want to eat. Plus, if you wanna take home one of the kittens from the litter that was just born behind the file cabinet, you can! For free!

"Steven"

capco1 Senior Member

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Guess "Steven" is now the official gate keeper for Thaivisa! Sorry if all the posts don't live up to your expectations! From now on.....only NEW questions for the board please..and by all means no new posters! Or better yet maybe "Steven" should start his own website, "If you're a loser at home...come teach English in Thailand"

Khutan Platinum Member

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<snip>(it's surprising how many of these threads are started by new posters who say "I'm not a teacher, but....")<snip>

Thanks for the links.

btw, I am not a teacher, but, I don't teach :o

Funny though, I have a real degree in English (shame it isn't reflected in my spelling) and when I was at the MOL doing my W/P the lady asked why I wasn't an English Teacher.

capco1 Senior Member

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Once again!

I hope for the last time..........I am NOT a teacher nor do I have ANY desire to become one!

If you can't understand that I pitty your students!

chownah Diamond Member

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I'm a teacher....but I don't want to be a teacher....can you tell me how to stop. Also do I need a work permit to stop teaching in Thailand?

SK1972 Silver Member

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i dont comprehend why anyone would want to get a fake degree. Wont they be deported if they are caught?

what kind of employer will hire someone with a fake degree? Don't they check the degrees out?

Wanraya Senior Member

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i dont comprehend why anyone would want to get a fake degree. Wont they be deported if they are caught?

what kind of employer will hire someone with a fake degree? Don't they check the degrees out?

A school I once worked at advertised for teachers requesting either a valid TEFL qualification OR a degree. Those applying with only a TEFL cert were taken on but subsequently told my the owner to go down t KSR and buy a fake degree to assist with the WP process. Several did this and had their WP application accepted.

I have only ever known of one employer actually have a policy of checking the validity of all qualifications.

Most schools want teachers who are liked and accepted by their students. If the students are happy the school is happy and they don't really care what you did between the ages of 18-21.

When I advertise for teachers I stipulate a degree is necessary as it is very difficult to obtain a WP without one. Some of the people I take on I strongly suspect are lying about their degree.

I value genuine teaching qualifications, if someone has an original CELTA or even the Text and Talk course certificate (after asking a few questions about the course it's quite easy to tell if they are bluffing)and comes across reasonably well I will give them a chance. Starting them off on a few hours a week observing their lessons now and again and seeing how many of their students actually stick to the whole course.

I have no problem in weeding out poor performers however if I background checked all the degrees I suspect I would lose too many good people.

kenkannif Gold Member

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^ Very good post!

SK if you have a look at the top of this thread where IJWT posted them links and click on some of them you'll find further answers to your questions!

SK1972 Silver Member

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I know why they do it kenkannif.........to get employment. What I meant was, if you do not have it, then get qualifications legally (the good old fashioned way of earning it - studying)

I personally would never hire someone with a fake degree and we check them all before hiring. I guess it is different when we are a big MNC.

What kind of education system would they have if they have bogus teachers teaching at these schools??

kenkannif Gold Member

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I know why they do it kenkannif.........to get employment.

Err no mate this is why you need to look at the other threads. They generally don't do it to get employment per se, rather to get legaled up.

What I meant was, if you do not have it, then get qualifications legally (the good old fashioned way of earning it - studying)
Yeah a degree in history makes you that much better a teacher...err???
I personally would never hire someone with a fake degree and we check them all before hiring. I guess it is different when we are a big MNC.

Yeah rather than a little school in the middle of nowhere who are just happy to have a good teacher.

What kind of education system would they have if they have bogus teachers teaching at these schools??

The one they have now?

Err I could understand this point if they were faking teaching degrees, but generally they're not. So no real effect at all IMO and IME

SK1972 Silver Member

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kenkannif.........Yeah a degree in history makes you that much better a teacher...err???
I never said that, I just think people obtaining a degree/qualification the "cheat's" way is not something to be proud of or encouraged.

Back at ya, a FAKE degree makes them a better teacher??? Wow

Legalled up??

If they can really teach or find employment without a fake degree, why do they need to be legalled up?? I know of some teachers who go in and out of the country every 3 months or so.

What kind of education system would they have if they have bogus teachers teaching at these schools??

The one they have now?

Err I could understand this point if they were faking teaching degrees, but generally they're not. So no real effect at all IMO and IME

Exactly my point, the education system here is lousy as it is. They try to import foreign skills to better it or improve it but with bogus teachers with fake degrees/qualification (not saying all of them) nothing is accomplished, is it???

There are fake teaching qualifications too you know, if one can fake a degree they can fake anything.

It is people like these (cheats) that make other genuinely qualified teachers look bad. That's my opinion, no one has to agree with me.

BTW, I am not a school teacher nor work for a school but I know quite a few cheat teachers and genuinely qualified teachers.

kenkannif Gold Member

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I never said that, I just think people obtaining a degree/qualification the "cheat's" way is not something to be proud of or encouraged.

How are they cheating if it's purely to get a WP? No one is proud of having to do it, and no one is encouraging it. I'm just saying what happens here is all. And to be honest as degree isn't really required to teach here your points are moot. Basically if the schools got their act together they'd be no demand or need for fake degrees.

Back at ya, a FAKE degree makes them a better teacher??? Wow
You're being silly as long as it doesn't make you a WORSE teacher, what's the prob?
Legalled up??

If they can really teach or find employment without a fake degree, why do they need to be legalled up??

So they don't have to do this:

I know of some teachers who go in and out of the country every 3 months or so.
Not quite as simple as that as eventually you'll have to start doing Visa runs as well, or doing 30 day border runs. So it won't be every 3 months.
Exactly my point, the education system here is lousy as it is.

And that's down to people with fake degrees, don't be so naive or daft mate.

They try to import foreign skills to better it or improve it but with bogus teachers with fake degrees/qualification (not saying all of them) nothing is accomplished, is it???
Well yes they have 'qualified' (if they have a specific teaching quals which many do) teachers that are willing to work for low money...which is better than having zero teachers IMO!
There are fake teaching qualifications too you know, if one can fake a degree they can fake anything.

Yes, but most don't as that would be a very, very stupid thing to do, for various reasons I'm sure you can guess.

It is people like these (cheats) that make other genuinely qualified teachers look bad.
Err I don't think there's any correlation between not having a degree and being bad teacher or person. That's a silly thing to say.
That's my opinion, no one has to agree with me.

Thanks I don't!

BTW, I am not a school teacher nor work for a school but I know quite a few cheat teachers and genuinely qualified teachers.

Good on you. And there's basically no different in how good they are at teaching right?

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chownah Diamond Member

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So many westerners are here to teach English and I just don't want to be lumped in with all that riff-raff. I want your opinion about a really new idea about foreigners teaching in Thailand. I want to teach Thai language conversation. Do you think I can get a job teaching Thai language conversation in Thailand? I know there are alot of Thai people in Thailand who like to speak Thai language and I figured that they have to learn it somewhere...so...I just put two and two together and voila...instant career opportunity. Do you kow where I can get some books to learn Thai language? I'll be moving to Thailand next month and want to get ready in advance.

kenkannif Gold Member

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Go for it chap. Who knows!

Good luck though.

And with that we'll lock this thread up as it's going nowhere!

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