Meadish~

It's a sign of the times that the lofty Guardian has seen fit to attack the blog of a 'mere' Dartmouth undergraduate.

FOX? They're only good at showing cartoons.

Keep your brain CLEAN. Watch FOX.

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Clean ???????

The place you can wash your neurons in pure excrement????

Boon Mee is going to have a field-day with you on this one Tornado.  Get ready for arguments, insults and malice everybody!

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Naw, me and the Gent have 'mellowed' some from the 'old days' but just to keep my oar in the water, so to speak, I'll leave him with THIS!

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Long live the American Dream!

Bin Laden Brothers Tip-Off Two NASA Research Scientists In 1987 About U.S. Government Plans To Cause 9/11; Now Third Person Comes Forward To Verify Scientists' Incredible Story

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/artic...18131/30199.htm

interesting

South Tower Exit

Wounds Tell 911 Tale

many links.

http://www.rense.com/general67/911uu.htm

Former MI5 Agent Says

Bombings Look

Like Inside Job

By Greg Szymanski

7-30-5

A former British intelligence agent, jailed in 2002 for linking the British government with paying an Islamic militant group $160,000 in a failed assassination attempt on Colonel Mu'ammar al-Qadhafi of Libya, said this week the recent London bombings have all the earmarks of an inside job just like 9/11.

"It's amazing how many aspects of the two events are so similar," said David Shayler, the former MI5 agent and whistle blower, in a telephone conversation this week from his home in East Bonn on the southern coast of England.

Shayler, a thorn in the British government's side ever since he blew the whistle in 1997 about rampant corruption within both arms of British intelligence, MI5 (domestic) and MI6 (foreign), said he has just began looking into the details of the 7/7 attacks, but what's being released through the press and government reports shows a strikingly similar pattern to what he calls "the same type of misinformation thrown out after 9/11."

"First, we learn about the training exercises going on here just like 9/11. Next, they release suspicious evidence left behind by the culprits as well as quickly releasing identifying pictures of the suspects just like the did after 9/11," he said.

Shayler added that what's even more suspicious is the private security firm in charge of the training drills prior to 7/7 had ties to former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Further, he also received information that one of the named suicide bombers, whose picture was released in the London press, has turned up alive and well in Pakistan.

"Just like in the United States, we here in England are being bombarded with what looks like a lot of misinformation in the press," said Shayler. "Apparently, one of the supposed suicide bombers has turned up alive just like six or seven of the 19 Arab hijackers turned up alive after 9/11."

Asked about the sentiment in Britain towards President Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair's support of America's war on terror after the London bombings claimed more than 50 lives, he said:

"To put it politely, there is downright hatred for Bush here on the streets of London. Many Brits feel, as I do, that he led us into this war and is actually responsible for making England a more dangerous place to live now than before the illegal war in Iraq.

"And after the release of the Downing Street Memo, which clearly provides high-level documented evidence from the head of M16 that Bush and Blair lied about the threat of WMD in Iraq, I think most of the British people are simply fed up but at the same time frightened at what might happen next.

"The British people would simply like to get rid of Blair, but unlike America, we have no political means set up to do this. However, most people here feel that Tony Blair actually acts more like the First Envoy to America rather than England's Prime Minister.

Besides believing the London bombing was an inside job, Shayler also believes 9/11 was a staged event, saying the cover-up of hard evidence and eye witness testimony contradicting the official story are the main ingredients first leading him to believe the U.S. government caused 9/11 in order to create a world wide climate of fear and war.

"It's a crime to obstruct justice and that is exactly what the American authorities did when they allowed FEMA to haul away all the steel from the World Trade Center, shipping it to China," said Shayler. "Now this type of cover-up tells me right-off the authorities are hiding something much bigger, something that needs answering.

"The more I look at 9/11, the more I am convinced it was a staged event. I am convinced the U.S. government manipulated events - let it happen - to create a trigger for the invasion of Afghanistan, the invasion of Iraq and of course what they're trying to do now with the imminent invasions of Iran and Syria."

Shayler said FBI intercepts, failed defense protocols and the suspicious activities of a number of officials in various government agencies days, weeks and months prior to 9/11 also directly point to an inside job.

Besides the government irregularities and cover-up, he also suggests 9/11 was most likely also intended to be, from an intelligence strategist's view, an attempt at a larger coup de'tat to take over the American government and bring martial law.

"You have to remember that there were weapons discovered on planes that didn't take off on 9/11. Now people have obviously postulated that they were going perhaps to attack the White House or Capitol Hill. That looks to me like an attempt to destroy American government and declare a state of emergency, in fact a coup de'tat, a violent coup de'tat."

Making analogies between explosives used in IRA bombings he investigated while working on the Irish resistance, he said it was virtually impossible for jet fuel, as the American government contends, to bring down the Twin Towers.

He compared the WTC to an IRA bombing in front of the Baltic Exchange Building in Bishopsgate, saying a thousand tons of homemade explosives were used without a much smaller building collapsing.

"So you are telling me the World Trade Center collapsed from jet fuel? It's highly suspicious if not impossible," said Shayler. "And then ask yourself about the suspicious nature of Building No. 7. It all looks to me like a controlled demolition."

Regarding the bigger intelligence picture and the state of the world with increased terrorism now erupting in London and Egypt, Shayler drew the battle lines facing both the people of Britain and America.

"Let there be no doubt that the people of the free world are engaged in a war," said Shayler, suggesting however that the enemy is within and not simply radical Islamic terrorists. "In the next few years, we are either going to see the people of the free world rise up against these fascists, now setting the stage for global war, or we are going to see the end of democracy as we know it with martial law the end result."

Shayler's troubles with the British government in 1997 after he voluntarily left MI5 and blew the whistle, allegedly taking sensitive documents and accusing two MI6 agents, David Watson and Richard Bartlitt, of plotting to assassinate Mu'ammar al-Qadhafi of Libya in 1996.

He also accused MI5 of failing to warn or react to an impending terrorist attack on the Israeli Embassy in 1994.

After fleeing Britain, he was arrested in France, spending four months in a French jail and being held without charges being filed. Upon release, he won an extradition battle in the French courts, but voluntarily decided to return to England in 2000.

Upon his return, he was charged with violated England's tough Official State Secrets Act, as a gag order was effectively placed on everything, including media coverage, surrounding his case.

"I was effectively never allowed to mount a defense or even show facts why I acted in the national interest," said Shayler, being convicted in November of 2002 and sentenced to six months in jail, but only serving seven weeks of the sentence as well as seven weeks of house arrest.

Shayler, who joined MI5 in 1991 unable to find work as a journalist, said he was an unlikely candidate for the job, never thinking he would get hired after answering an advertisement hiding the true nature of the position.

"I was a journalist and came from an unlikely background for this type of work," said Shayler. "I really didn't know what the nature of the job was until the final round of interviews and I was shocked when I was hired.

"I stayed with MI5 until I saw the lies and corruption. All I wanted was to tell the truth, nothing more."

Since his release from jail, Shayler has been busy on the lecture circuit and has released a book with author Annie Machon titled "Spies, Lies and Whistle Blowers."

The book chronicles his falling out with MI5, what took place after he blew the whistle, life on the run in Europe and his arrest and imprisonment.

For more informative articles, go to www.arcticbeacon. com.

I would love to believe all this and it might be true. But we will never have those hard evidence. There is a great change that it wasn't a airplane in the Pentagon. But why would they lie ? like Kennedy assasination, we will never know.

Yep...& the world is flat/the moon is made of cheese/the Hildebeast will be elected president...

Yep...& the world is flat/the moon is made of cheese/the Hildebeast will be elected president...

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And Iraq had WMDs

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Chasing ghosts and wind mills

Yep...& the world is flat/the moon is made of cheese/the Hildebeast will be elected president...

And Iraq had WMDs

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Chasing ghosts and wind mills

Iraq did have WMD's - just not around when we got there's all...

Yep...& the world is flat/the moon is made of cheese/the Hildebeast will be elected president...

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And Iraq had WMDs

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Chasing ghosts and wind mills

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Iraq did have WMD's - just not around when we got there's all...

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Oh yeah I forgot, they are in Syria

Wait, no. They are in Iran or maybe Venezuela. Oh shit, who cares !!!

WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High; Eye Witness Testimony Is Conclusive That North Tower Collapsed From Controlled Demolition

WTC janitor pulls burn victim to safety after basement explosion rocks north tower seconds before jetliner hit top floors. Also, two other men trapped and drowning in a basement elevator shaft, were also pulled to safety from underground explosion..

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/artic...18131/28031.htm

interesting

http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/

a lot of information.

FOX? They're only good at showing cartoons. 

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this is Fox at its best:

O’Reilly: I Would Execute Everyone At Gitmo

Crooks and Liars | August 4 2005

On the Factor last night O'Reilly was in top form. He had on Pierce O'Donnell discussing how the Bush administration is handling the prosecution of prisoners at Gitmo.

The entire mess is playing into the hands of the terrorists, who now use Guantanamo Bay as a recruiting tool. So what would Fox’s Bill O’Reilly do to fix the problem? Kill ‘em all:

O’REILLY: I don’t give them any protection. I don’t feel sorry for them. In fact, I probably would have ordered their execution if I had the power.

FLASHBACK: No leaders of Al Qaeda found at Guantanamo

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/augus...uteeveryone.htm

what a waste of space this prick is. Two headed ######

Government Hacks Continue To Violate Civil Rights Of Illinois 9/11 Truth Seeker

Phillip Jayhan is on the Bush administration "watch list" for getting too close to unraveling the U.S. government's shady dealings in 9/11. The victim of constant harassment, his personal privacy and free speech rights have been violated on a weekly basis for more than a year by government thugs who have no respect for the U.S. Constitution.

http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/arti...18131/30662.htm

Bush Insider Claim

WTC Collapse

Bogus Gets 'Huge Response'

By Greg Szymanski

8-3-5

When Morgan Reynolds called the official story about 9/11 bogus, it seemed like the whole world stopped for a moment to listen.

It seemed like a lighting bolt hit the heart of the government story, cracking it into a million unexplainable pieces.

And when the dust settled from his explosive statements, the highest-ranking member of the Bush team to make such an accusation said he wasn't expecting any "invitations to the White House anytime soon."

Two weeks ago, the former chief economist in the Labor Department during President Bush's first term told the world he thought the WTC fell from a controlled demolition, indicating 9/11 was "an inside government job."

Reynolds, a respected economist and former Republican conservative, made his claims after researching many aspects of 9/11, including scientific and engineering data for and against the government story.

He presented his findings on the Internet in a long, detailed article, concluding:

"It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause(s) of the collapse of the twin towers and Building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely to be correct either.

"The government's collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings.

"More importantly, momentous political and social consequences would follow if impartial observers concluded that professionals imploded the WTC. Meanwhile, the job of scientists, engineers and impartial researchers everywhere is to get the scientific and engineering analysis of 9/11 right."

Considering his place among the Republican faithful, once the media got its "claws into his controversial remarks," his words quickly spread with the help of cyberspace like an out of control wildfire.

Not only did millions read his story on the Internet, but Reynolds controversial comments then drew instant attention from numerous mainstream newspapers, radio and television stations, including UPI, MSNBC, FOX News and over a dozen other major market local radio and TV stations.

It was a story that "grew wings," a story Reynolds never expected would get so much attention and such a large audience.

"I had a huge response and it really was amazing. I never expected so many people to respond so passionately," said Reynolds this week in a telephone interview. "I literally received hundreds and hundred of emails, some agreeing with me and others, of course, disagreeing.

"After it was all said and done, as things are starting to finally quiet down now, I would guess it was about 5 to 1 in favor of what I was saying. However, I never imagined how much support there was out there for what I was suggesting occurred on 9/11."

Without mincing words, as he did in his article, Reynolds quickly changed the subject, again placing the blame squarely on the government for not coming clean about what happened on 9/11, saying it's important to get to the bottom of a "story that dwarfs all others in comparison."

"What it boils down to is that the government and the mainstream media are not digging into the 9/11 controversy because they are hiding something," said Reynolds. "From a media point of view, it's the story of the century and they are not even trying to connect the dots."

Continuing to throw some punches at his former employer, he added:

"It's nothing new. The government has always lied about so many things. Look at the Downing Street Memo, for example, the document confirming that the Bush administration lied to us about its motives for getting into the war.

" If they lied to us about this, what else? Well, 9/11 is just another example."

To add more fuel to the hot 9/11 controversy, William Rodriguez, the WTC janitor who heard and felt a strong explosion in the basement levels of the north tower just seconds before the jetliner crashed into the top floors, recently came forward to tell his story, adding further credibility to Reynolds' conclusions.

Rodriguez claims a massive underground explosion brought down the towers. His story is strengthened further by 14 other eye witnesses who can verify his claims, as well as a burn victim from the basement explosion who he helped to safety.

Immediately following 9/11, Rodriguez tried to tell his story, but claims the 9/11 Commission and the mainstream media have systematically censored his words in order to protect the official government story, a story ignoring the possibility of explosives being used to bring down the WTC.

Commenting on Rodriguez, Reynolds said:

"It's not a coincidence that there was first an explosion below and then the jetliner explosion seconds later above. At least there should have been a thorough investigation since the timing of the explosions strikes me as an impossibility if you believe, as the government contends, that only a jetliner brought down the towers."

Reynolds added that nobody from the Bush administration has officially contacted him about his statements suggesting 9/11 was an "inside job," but said he was aware that "administration operatives" have carried his message into the halls of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

"How high up it went, I just don't know," he added.

Asked if he was going to continue to research and write about 9/11, Reynolds said:

"Yes, of course, I see it as a citizen's duty and I hope to do some more writing on the subject very soon."

For more informative articles, go to www.arcticbeacon.com where donations are accepted to keep the news flowing in the wake of media apathy.

Greg Szymanski

I think Iraq was useful somehow. It has removed Saddam from power (a good thing) but it has also showed that your government would lie and lie again using false pretense and "fake" evidence. There was such a demonstration of those "lies" prior to the war, it has become impossible for this administration to hide again behind that strategy without being noticed immediately. The public is waking up, starting to smell the coffee. Now they are questioning anything this administration will say. Bush "blind" supporters are a minority and they know it. I would expect more and more people to question the 911 commission without being labelled "tinfoil hat". The Kennedy Assasination started the same way. People would believe the official report at first, but 30 years later everyone knew it was an inside job (Hoover is thought to be the culpid). It has been 5 years since 911 and you already have those red flags showing. Another 5 years and we will know some of the truth.

Another 5 years and we will know some of the truth.

I wouldn't bet on it.

It's been some 40 years now and we still don't know who shot Kennedy...

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/index.htm

http://911review.org/Wget/members.fortunecity.com/911/

It's been some 40 years now and we still don't know who shot Kennedy...

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Or care.....

totster

By Tony Rennell – Daily Mail, Saturday 6th August, 2005

NOTE: SO FAR THIS IS THE LARGEST ARTICLE EVER PRINTED BY THE UK MAINSTREAM MEDIA RAISING MANY OF THE SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 9/11 COVER UP

http://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/911_mainstream_media.htm

it's too far complicated!!!!!

what is the conclusion for debating?

world peace??

what still happening on the other side of earth is here:

millennium wall

The Rest Of The 911 Flight 93 Story

http://rense.com/general67/rest911.htm

"Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld did not "misspeak" when, addressing U.S. troops in Baghdad during Christmas last year, said, "the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania." They believe the White House concocted the "passengers-bring-down-plane" story for propaganda value."

Well, it wouldn't be the first time any government fed a storey to the general public that would make a tragedy more palitable.

I'll go along on this one with you, Gent...

OK, if it was an American government conspiracy, how did they convince the Arab hijackers to throw away their lives for a US cause???

OK, if it was an American government conspiracy, how did they convince the Arab hijackers to throw away their lives for a US cause???

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Not that difficult, people would believe anything

I am sure the Mossad was involved somehow (ref. Israeli spy "students" jumping and laughing at the 2 towers being hit)

OK, if it was an American government conspiracy, how did they convince the Arab hijackers to throw away their lives for a US cause???

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It's simple. Bush sat down with Osama. They both agreed that each of them would have more power over their respective domain if they got into a big shooting war. It worked really well.....thousands of deluded terrorists were created on Osama's side and Bush got the homeland security act and other abilities to violate people's right at will......in a word it was a winwin situation.

Somewhere on this thread it was mentioned that there were explosions in the basement just before the planes hit. If this was true, why did the buildings not collapse immediately?

Also, it's not how much explosive you use, it's where they are set off that's important.

The jet fuel burned at such a high temperature that it melted the central support spine at or near the floors the planes crashed into. The stories above this collapsed and the weight of these collapsing storeys collapsed the rest of the building.

You would expect a building to collapse "straight" if it was constructed around a single, central support spine.

I think the single thing that shows that this wasn't a government conspiracy is that too many people would have to be in on it. If it was ever found out that the government did it......... Nobody would take such a risk.

Somewhere on this thread it was mentioned that there were explosions in the basement just before the planes hit. If this was true, why did the buildings not collapse immediately?

Also, it's not how much explosive you use, it's where they are set off that's important.

The jet fuel burned at such a high temperature that it melted the central support spine at or near the floors the planes crashed into. The stories above this collapsed and the weight of these collapsing storeys collapsed the rest of the building.

You would expect a building to collapse "straight" if it was constructed around a single, central support spine.

I think the single thing that shows that this wasn't a government conspiracy is that too many people would have to be in on it. If it was ever found out that the government did it......... Nobody would take such a risk.

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You would be surprised that it could only take a few people to run an operation like that. Few dedicated people.

Did you know that the security guard in the Pentagon parking lot where the "missile" hit the Pentagon, died of "heart failure" 3 weeks after 911. He was the ONLY witness to the whole thing. Why hasn't the tape been released ? I mean it's a simple video tape. Smoking gun maybe ?