Only a loon would do that.

Sounds like you're calling FC a loon.....

I thought name calling was especially frowned upon in OTB these days?

Israel should definitely be put on the list "rogue nations"....perhaps even head it.

So in your world Mr. HC, Israel would 'head' the list that includes North Korea, Iran, Cuba, Burma, etc.? Interesting. I can hardly wait for you to enlighten us with more of your pearls of wisdom.

when was the last time that Iran, Cuba or Burma started a war, bombed and invaded another country?

That's probably only because they're to busy abusing and oppressing their own people, they don't have the time or resources to invade anyone else.

when was the last time that Iran, Cuba or Burma started a war, bombed and invaded another country?

That's probably only because they're to busy abusing and oppressing their own people, they don't have the time or resources to invade anyone else.

Good point. I bet they would in a heartbeat, if they could.

Colin Powell demands answers over Curveball's WMD lies

Former US secretary of state asks why CIA failed to warn him over Iraqi defector who has admitted fabricating WMD evidence

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  Curveball or Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi who gave dubious information on Iraq's secret biological weapons programme. Photograph: David Levene
  

Colin Powell, the US secretary of state at the time of the Iraq invasion, has called on the CIA and Pentagon to explain why they failed to alert him to the unreliability of a key source behind claims of Saddam Hussein's bio-weapons capability.
Responding to the Guardian's revelation that the source, Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi or "Curveball" as his US and German handlers called him, admitted fabricating evidence of Iraq's secret biological weapons programme, Powell said that questions should be put to the US agencies involved in compiling the case for war.
In particular he singled out the CIA and the Defence Intelligence Agency – the Pentagon's military intelligence arm. Janabi, an Iraqi defector, was used as the primary source by the Bush administration to justify invading Iraq in March 2003. Doubts about his credibility circulated before the war and have been confirmed by his admission this week that he lied.

http://www.guardian....all?INTCMP=SRCH

LaoPo

Edited February 17, 201115 yr by LaoPo

Biological weapons are pretty scary stuff.

Bush was a pretty scary dude.

The truth is a pretty scarce commodity.

A pretty dangerous combination of events.

Only a loon would do that.

Sounds like you're calling FC a loon.....

I thought name calling was especially frowned upon in OTB these days?

Israel should definitely be put on the list "rogue nations"....perhaps even head it.

when was the last time that Iran, Cuba or Burma started a war, bombed and invaded another country?

That's probably only because they're to busy abusing and oppressing their own people, they don't have the time or resources to invade anyone else.

i'm a bit late with my rebuttal but here we go:

could it be that it's not a matter of resources but because they don't want to finance invasions and wars with trillions of deficit to be borne by their unborn citizens as it is practised by a well known other country?

when was the last time that Iran, Cuba or Burma started a war, bombed and invaded another country?

That's probably only because they're to busy abusing and oppressing their own people, they don't have the time or resources to invade anyone else.

i'm a bit late with my rebuttal but here we go:

could it be that it's not a matter of resources but because they don't want to finance invasions and wars with trillions of deficit to be borne by their unborn citizens as it is practised by a well known other country?

I blame the Germans. Before they started two World Wars in the first half of the 20th century, resulting in the deaths of close to 100 million people, the USA almost never went off starting wars. Vielen dank!

Edited February 20, 201115 yr by koheesti

I am having a little problem understanding the link between Bush and Iraq and the Germans and the World Wars. Unless there is some attempt to stick it to our German poster(s). I hope not, cause that wouldn't be very nice.

Bush and Co. managed to fabricate their own version of the boogey man from some very shaky information from some not very credible sources. The country was ripe for revenge and Bush used that to his advantage. Congressmen who dared to question the validity of the information were pretty much done for. It would have been easier to be a professed atheist in a Puritan settlement in the 1600's that to publicly be against his war.

Remember the Dixie Chicks?

when was the last time that Iran, Cuba or Burma started a war, bombed and invaded another country?

That's probably only because they're to busy abusing and oppressing their own people, they don't have the time or resources to invade anyone else.

i'm a bit late with my rebuttal but here we go:

could it be that it's not a matter of resources but because they don't want to finance invasions and wars with trillions of deficit to be borne by their unborn citizens as it is practised by a well known other country?

I blame the Germans. Before they started two World Wars in the first half of the 20th century, resulting in the deaths of close to 100 million people, the USA almost never went off starting wars. Vielen dank!

If you want to be politically correct, "I blame the Nazis" would be just.

It's the same as normal day-to-day Japanese, Americans or day-to-day Chinese, Russians, Cubans or citizens of any other nation are to be blamed for the terrible and despicable actions of their respective governments.

I can hardly blame you for the Vietnam war even in the case if you would have been there, can I ?

LaoPo

I am having a little problem understanding the link between Bush and Iraq and the Germans and the World Wars. Unless there is some attempt to stick it to our German poster(s). I hope not, cause that wouldn't be very nice.

I was thinking the same.....

The link between Bush/Iraq and WWII is more than 50-60 years apart.

LaoPo

I'll walk you through it...

A poster (his nationality is irrelavent but I believe he is Swiss) made this comment:

"because they don't want to finance invasions and wars with trillions of deficit to be borne by their unborn citizens as it is practised by a well known other country?"

Here, well know other country is obviousy the USA because no other country can spend that much. How did they USA get into such a position? They got a taste for going overseas in large numbers in WWI. The thought of 1 millon + fresh reinforcements to the western powers made the Germans throw in the towel. Twenty plus years later Germany started it all over again but on a bigger scale. As a result of this devastating war, all the former major world powers were broke(n) leaving the USA as the big dog on the block. In short, without these two wars, the US military wouldn't be spread out across the globe today and wouldn't be spending trillions on "invasions and wars". So stop thinking there is some sinister racism afoot.

Sure Bush junior did. He was looking for things to finish the war his father had started and judiciously backed out of. He wanted to one-up his father to show what a MAN he was. And, he was backed by all the war mongering generals who like nothing better than a good battle against inferior forces.

I am having a little problem understanding the link between Bush and Iraq and the Germans and the World Wars. Unless there is some attempt to stick it to our German poster(s). I hope not, cause that wouldn't be very nice.

I was thinking the same.....

The link between Bush/Iraq and WWII is more than 50-60 years apart.

LaoPo

but isn't it a fact that the Tchermanns invaded Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq? isn't it also a fact that al-Qaeda has german roots, that the germans are causing global warming, tsunamis, blizzards in the GNoE™, encouraged Saddam to invade Kuwait through a personal message from Hitler conveyed by ambassador April Gillespie, the Bundesbank helping the Chinese to keep their currency artificially lown, that the Taliban were educated in madrasas located in southern Bavaria...

It would seem so, Naam, according to some posters. There are/have been only two Evil Empires--well three counting the Star Wars thing: Germany and America. But we will have to put Germany's faults aside for while and concentrate on Bush.

Sorry to disappoint you Naam!

concentrate on Bush

in my view, concentrating on Bush means blaming the puppet and not the puppeteers who (at least in the beginning) held and pulled the strings but abandoned the ship when it started to sink.

I am having a little problem understanding the link between Bush and Iraq and the Germans and the World Wars. Unless there is some attempt to stick it to our German poster(s). I hope not, cause that wouldn't be very nice.

I was thinking the same.....

The link between Bush/Iraq and WWII is more than 50-60 years apart.

LaoPo

but isn't it a fact that the Tchermanns invaded Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq? isn't it also a fact that al-Qaeda has german roots, that the germans are causing global warming, tsunamis, blizzards in the GNoE, encouraged Saddam to invade Kuwait through a personal message from Hitler conveyed by ambassador April Gillespie, the Bundesbank helping the Chinese to keep their currency artificially lown, that the Taliban were educated in madrasas located in southern Bavaria...

Actually, the Germans did build some of Saddam's bunkers and encouraged him until the end. After the Saddam oil money income dried up, Schroeder went to work for Putin's Gazprom in Russia. At least he is consitent.

The German - Bush connection goes back to the 1930s when Prescott Bush's (the grandfather) company supported Germany. He had a crystal ball and saw that if he aided Germany in the rise to power then eventually America would have to enter the war and be the only to come out stronger, giving them a sense of sticking their nose in where it doesn't belong. He knew that the Soviets would be a rival to America's plans for world domination but that his son, GHW, would oversee their last days, leaving his grandson, GW, to start invasions & wars for oil around the globe barely a decade later.

Edited February 21, 201115 yr by koheesti

concentrate on Bush

in my view, concentrating on Bush means blaming the puppet and not the puppeteers who (at least in the beginning) held and pulled the strings but abandoned the ship when it started to sink.

A truth not seen or understood by most

Please elaborate Naam. I don't think a puppet and the puppet master can be discussed separately. Like a ventriloquist, even if the lips aren't moving, you can hear the voice.

i prefer not to elaborate Scott. when i elaborated last time i was chided by another TV-member who claimed my elaborations were insulting honest village idiots.

moreover... being a 50% nazi descendant, the eleven references (until now and counting) to this fact from the righteous ones in "outside the box" have nearly convinced me that i should spend the rest of my life repenting nazi crimes instead of pointing a finger.

Naam sorry to hear you don't want to respond. There are a few people who do like crucify people for crimes they didn't commit.

Actually, the Germans did build some of Saddam's bunkers and encouraged him until the end.

correct! it is well known that during both gulf wars the german ambassador spent the evenings with Saddam in the german built bunker and read aloud from Hitler's "Mein Kampf" after dinner and dessert was served. before gulf war II the favourite pastime of the two buddies was to check the latest shipments of german products such as Zyklon B, mustard gas, anthrax and ebola virus.

after these meetings Saddam always handed out a suitcase with cash for Chancellor Schröder

p.s. there's no real need to ridicule some posters. they themselves do an excellent job

Edited February 21, 201115 yr by Naam

Naam sorry to hear you don't want to respond. There are a few people who do like crucify people for crimes they didn't commit.

Anyone not used to OTB dropping in on this thread might not understand the irony. Good stuff, keep it up.

It would seem so, Naam, according to some posters. There are/have been only two Evil Empires--well three counting the Star Wars thing: Germany and America. But we will have to put Germany's faults aside for while and concentrate on Bush.

I deeply resent that slight on the "Empire on which the sun never sets". We were quite an Evil Empire on our off days

Sorry Endure, but the British didn't quite make it into the Evil Empire club--too long ago, I think. No airplanes dropping bombs either. The Brits brought civilization and a language.

But,hey, if you want to be an 'honorary' member of the Evil Empires, be my guest. Plenty of blame to go around.

Sorry Endure, but the British didn't quite make it into the Evil Empire club--too long ago, I think. No airplanes dropping bombs either. The Brits brought civilization and a language.

But,hey, if you want to be an 'honorary' member of the Evil Empires, be my guest. Plenty of blame to go around.

Feb 20, 2011‎

The rally was called to mark the 66th anniversary of the 1945 allied bombing campaign that killed more than 20000 people. Some 3600 planes from British Royal Air Force and the United States Army Air Force bombarded Dresden between 13 February and 15 February 1945 in World War II.

On the 13th February 1945, 773 Avro Lancasters bombed Dresden. During the next two days the USAAF sent over 527 heavy bombers to follow up the RAF attack.

it is believed that the number of casualties in Dresden was higher than the combined casualties of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

It seems that the British were a little POed about the London Blitz.

I once worked with a German lady. A most impossible lady, I might add. The bombing of Dresden apparently sticks in the minds of Germans like Hiroshima with the Japanese. She had a huge framed picture of bombed out Dresden which she hung in my office.

Of all the arguments we had, we NEVER discussed World War I or II or the holocaust. We argued only about work.

Now Naam, the puppet master, please?

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