Seh Daeng's Daughter To Lead Political Party In Next Thai Election

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Seh Daeng's Daughter to Lead Political Party in Next Election

BANGKOK: -- The daughter of the late-Khattiya Sawasdipol, a radical red-shirt supporter and army specialist has announced her intention of leading the political party founded by her father in the next election.

In Amnat Charoen province, Khattiyaa Sawasdipol, who is the daughter of late-Major General Khattiya Sawasdipo or Seh Daeng , a radical red-shirt supporter and army specialist killed during the recent political unrest, met with about 300 members of the political party founded by her father.

The members were from lower Northeastern provinces, dressed in T-shirts and bandannas with messages such as “We Love Seh Daeng” or “Seh Daeng Lives”.

Khattiyaa said that once the party has 20,000 members, she will run for the party's leadership post and plans to carry on her father's political ambitions and ideology. She also announced that once the party is prepared, they will field candidates in all districts in the next general election.

Khattiyaa also claimed that no progress has been made in the investigation into her father's death. As a representative of Sawasdipol and 91 other families who lost loved ones during the latest political violence, Khattiyaa has demanded that the government and the Department of Special Investigation expedite the investigation into their deaths.

-- Tan Network 2010-09-27

[SamritT]

She is joking right. She is not afraid of the 2nd bullet?

[Cuchulainn]

Let's hope she does very well!! This will split the Pheua Thai vote and let the Dems in in the north east!!

[Pi Sek]

Have I got this wrong, or wasn't she a vocal PAD activist a couple of years back?

[whybother]

Let's hope she does very well!! This will split the Pheua Thai vote and let the Dems in in the north east!!

The BJT might help with that too. With the red vote split across multiple parties, the Dems won't need much of an increase to get the most votes. They don't need a majority, just the largest number.

[SamritT]

Have I got this wrong, or wasn't she a vocal PAD activist a couple of years back?

Yes, she was. But after his father is murdered (possibly by CRES to control the situation), she continue her father wish. I will not blame her. And please don't tell me it is not murder; that it was just an accidental discharge of bullet (one single bullet) that happens to go through the father head.

[Max4243]

Have I got this wrong, or wasn't she a vocal PAD activist a couple of years back?

You got it correct and spot on, but people involved in politics often change lane. In her case, it was her father's party and I don't blame her for switching lane. This is politics.

[whybother]

Have I got this wrong, or wasn't she a vocal PAD activist a couple of years back?

Yes, she was. But after his father is murdered (possibly by CRES to control the situation), she continue her father wish. I will not blame her. And please don't tell me it is not murder; that it was just an accidental discharge of bullet (one single bullet) that happens to go through the father head.

I don't think anyone has ever suggested it was an accident.

But working out who discharged the bullet is the big question.

[Pi Sek]

Have I got this wrong, or wasn't she a vocal PAD activist a couple of years back?

Yes, she was. But after his father is murdered (possibly by CRES to control the situation), she continue her father wish. I will not blame her. And please don't tell me it is not murder; that it was just an accidental discharge of bullet (one single bullet) that happens to go through the father head.

I don't think anyone has ever suggested it was an accident.

But working out who discharged the bullet is the big question.

Yes indeed.

I am one of those who believes that most of the 'deaths of unclaimed responsibility' were straight-up hits by Thaksin-employed assassins. However, I wouldn't be hugely surprised if this one was an army hit after the colonel got grenaded on April 10, because I'm sure most reasonably intelligent posters will not pin that one on the army.

After a quick Google search... 'she also used to be a secretary to Puea Pandin party leader Suvit Khunkitti.' So maybe a NE split from Peua Thai control is the plan.

On the other hand, she also said, "At home, my dad is lovely. He always makes me happy. Without mom, I have only my dad left. He is everything to me." - so maybe she is aggrieved and has changed sides. I know I might in her position, given the circumstances.

[Buchholz]

Will Khattiyaa's newly discovered, but shunned by her, brother play a part in his father's Party, as well?

However, the emergence of Nak-rob Sawasdipol or "Daeng Noi" (Little Daeng), a five-year-old boy claiming to be Seh Daeng's son, was a surprise. Khattiya had never told her she had a brother. And Seh Daeng's cremation was the only day she saw the boy.

It'll be interesting to see how his Party does with so many of his own henchman, snipers, arsonists, and bombers either incarcerated or on the run.

Seh Daeng's Aide Linked To Narathiwat Massacre

and

Thailand's Fragile Peace Threatened, Bomb Attack

[rubl]

Stupid question I know, but does this party have a program ? I mean "carry on her father's political ambitions and ideology" sounds nice, but I don't think I've seen or read much.

Still remember a Sunday before the final encirclement and cleanup when he said to have spoken with K. Thaksin and claimed to be choosen with a few other hard-core chaps to take-over from the softies who wanted to accept the governments offers or just stop. It was not without reason both national and international press called him 'renegade general'.

Ah well, in a true democracy even crackpot parties can give it a try. I know, in the Netherlands we have them

[otherstuff1957]

The Sae Dang party and the New Politics party are both what we call 'spoiler parties' in the US. They don't really have a chance to win many seats, but they will take votes away from ideologically similar parties and consequently aid their political opponents!

I wouldn't be surprised if a fair amount of her party's funding will be secretly funneled from the Democrats!

[Buchholz]

Have I got this wrong, or wasn't she a vocal PAD activist a couple of years back?

Yes, she was.

No, she wasn't.

From an earlier interview:

Q : People see you as a yellow-shirt supporter, the group that opposes the red shirts. Many believe you might have been against your father.

Many probably thought we were enemies. But going to the yellow-shirt protest site did not mean I was its supporter. I just wanted to get information from every side.

[Pi Sek]

Have I got this wrong, or wasn't she a vocal PAD activist a couple of years back?

Yes, she was.

No, she wasn't.

From an earlier interview:

Q : People see you as a yellow-shirt supporter, the group that opposes the red shirts. Many believe you might have been against your father.

Many probably thought we were enemies. But going to the yellow-shirt protest site did not mean I was its supporter. I just wanted to get information from every side.

OK, found the article - whilst she didn't agree with many PAD policies, she did agree with the opposition to the PPP-planned revision of the constitution enough to side with the PAD on this particular issue.

She was also donated funds to the pro-yellow ASTV.

[whybother]

The Sae Dang party and the New Politics party are both what we call 'spoiler parties' in the US. They don't really have a chance to win many seats, but they will take votes away from ideologically similar parties and consequently aid their political opponents!

I wouldn't be surprised if a fair amount of her party's funding will be secretly funneled from the Democrats!

Maybe that's her plan. She was a yellow shirt after all.

[rubl]

The Sae Dang party and the New Politics party are both what we call 'spoiler parties' in the US. They don't really have a chance to win many seats, but they will take votes away from ideologically similar parties and consequently aid their political opponents!

I wouldn't be surprised if a fair amount of her party's funding will be secretly funneled from the Democrats!

Seh Daeng was totally against yellow and regular army. He organized his own 'black-shirts', 'rangers' and was proud of it. The quote "carry on her father's political ambitions and ideology" doesn't match with funding by the Dem's, even secretly. One wouldn't do, the other not accept. Nice 'conspiracy theory' though, or should I say 'unfounded rumor'

(edit: add pol. amb. and idiology)

Edited September 27, 2010 by rubl

[Pi Sek]

Stupid question I know, but does this party have a program ? I mean "carry on her father's political ambitions and ideology" sounds nice, but I don't think I've seen or read much.

The article that I found earlier by Googling (the other paper, which is not the co-sponsor or whatever of Thaivisa, from 20 Nov 2008) pretty much sums up what his political views were.

Still remember a Sunday before the final encirclement and cleanup when he said to have spoken with K. Thaksin and claimed to be choosen with a few other hard-core chaps to take-over from the softies who wanted to accept the governments offers or just stop. It was not without reason both national and international press called him 'renegade general'.

An extract from a 16-page commentary I wrote at home in April-May...

General Seh Daeng was often sighted at the front lines of the Red Shirt rally site, supervising construction of the petrol-soaked barriers made of tyres and sharpened bamboo stakes. He was complaining of the Red Shirt leaders’ apathy towards what the Red Shirts really wanted – an immediate dissolution of the House of Representatives. He claimed there was a split with, in his words, ‘the doves’ (Veera, Dr. Weng, Natthawut and Jatuporn) wanting to accept Abhisit’s roadmap and ‘the hawks’ (Arisaman, Kwanchai and Suporn) opposing it and wanting to ‘fight to the death’ in a prolonged and intensified protest.

He also stated that the Red Shirt leaders wanted him to leave as he said they were unhappy with his branding of the Red Shirt leaders as ‘being weak’ but, he said, Thaksin was the only person who could tell him whether to stay or go; he said that Thaksin had told him that morning that Arisaman was to be the next leader of the Red Shirt movement. Natthawut said on stage that Thaksin did not have authority to replace the Red Shirt leaders.

On 13 May the government announced that the rally site – which measured about a square mile – would be surrounded by army and police forces under the command of the CRES, supported by armoured vehicles and sharpshooters, at 6pm. They would be using live ammunition only in self defense and would be equipped with two types of assault rifle. The army would not move in on the protest site but would seal it off, preventing anyone from entering but allowing people to leave. Throughout the day, the Red Shirt leaders were on stage with fiery rhetoric, saying that they would fight any incursion on them. A widening of the State of Emergency was also announced in 15 provinces where Red Shirt factions were active.

In the early evening, General Seh Daeng was shot in the head, minutes after giving an interview to local and foreign journalists. No one claimed responsibility, but the government denied any involvement and the Red Shirts and Thaksin both chastised the government to the media for ‘ordering the assassination’ of a national hero. He was rushed to a nearby hospital – he was closer to Chulalongkorn Hospital, but the Red Shirt guards did not dare to take him there after he had earlier set up barricades in front of it – and transferred to another after the hospital was surrounded by Red Shirt protesters wanting to take his corpse. He was left in a coma after successful surgery to remove a bullet from his head.

... and then he died on 17 May. As I said above, this shooting is probably the UDD's best case against the military - but even still it could well have been the Reds/Blacks trying to 'shut him up'. Maybe we'll never find out.

Oh, and I'm not a journalist, and don't plan to be.

[Pi Sek]

Red shirts are a large minority. Yellow shirts are a small minority. The large majority support neither.

Oh, and whilst I'm at it, from the same commentary...

This is the main point though: 180,000 (Yellows) or 120,000 people (Reds) shouldn’t be dictating their views through mob rule to 63 million registered Thai people (or an estimated 90 million in total). Any claim that the Red Shirt protest is about democracy is clearly utter rubbish.

Although I wouldn't bet my life on the numbers I've got, because the reported numbers change almost every time they're brought up!

[Phuket Stan]

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No, she wasn't.

From an earlier interview:

Q : People see you as a yellow-shirt supporter, the group that opposes the red shirts. Many believe you might have been against your father.

Many probably thought we were enemies. But going to the yellow-shirt protest site did not mean I was its supporter. I just wanted to get information from every side.

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__3687410

Oh what a lovely typical Thai reply

[Buchholz]

Stupid question I know, but does this party have a program ? I mean "carry on her father's political ambitions and ideology" sounds nice, but I don't think I've seen or read much.

Khattiyatham Party wikipedia information (in Thai):

http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%82%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%B0%E0%B8%98%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%A1

Additionally of note, is that the Party Leader of the Khattiyatham Party is Red Shirt Leader Surapat Chantima, who has an arrest warrant for terrorism:

Second Lt Surapat Chantima is the party’s current leader.

https://artnewsthailand.wordpress.com/category/thailand/social/

and

The 20 suspects in the third lot includes Pheu Thai MP Karun Hosakul. The others are red leaders Kokaew Pikulthong, Nisit Sinthuprai, Shinawat Habunpat, and protesters Siriwan Nimitrsil, Pichet Sukchinda-thong, James Singsin, Annop Saetan, Jacharat Kongsuwan, Sakda Kaewpuknak, Yongyut Tuamme, Charan Loipul, Mongkol Saraphan, Sombat Makthong, Aram Seang-arun, Surapat Chantima, Amnart Inchot, Arkpol Khantakan, Somphong Buachom and Manop Chanchangthong.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/06/01/politics/DSI-wants-court-to-approve-20-more-arrest-warrants-30130576.html

Edited September 27, 2010 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Have I got this wrong, or wasn't she a vocal PAD activist a couple of years back?

No, she wasn't.

From an earlier interview:

Q : People see you as a yellow-shirt supporter, the group that opposes the red shirts. Many believe you might have been against your father.

Many probably thought we were enemies. But going to the yellow-shirt protest site did not mean I was its supporter. I just wanted to get information from every side.

OK, found the article - whilst she didn't agree with many PAD policies, she did agree with the opposition to the PPP-planned revision of the constitution enough to side with the PAD on this particular issue.

She was also donated funds to the pro-yellow ASTV.

Which clears up that she wasn't a

a vocal PAD activist

[rubl]

Stupid question I know, but does this party have a program ? I mean "carry on her father's political ambitions and ideology" sounds nice, but I don't think I've seen or read much.

The article that I found earlier by Googling (the other paper, which is not the co-sponsor or whatever of Thaivisa, from 20 Nov 2008) pretty much sums up what his political views were.

Still remember a Sunday before the final encirclement and cleanup when he said to have spoken with K. Thaksin and claimed to be choosen with a few other hard-core chaps to take-over from the softies who wanted to accept the governments offers or just stop. It was not without reason both national and international press called him 'renegade general'.

An extract from a 16-page commentary I wrote at home in April-May...

General Seh Daeng was often sighted at the front lines of the Red Shirt rally site, supervising construction of the petrol-soaked barriers made of tyres and sharpened bamboo stakes. He was complaining of the Red Shirt leaders� apathy towards what the Red Shirts really wanted � an immediate dissolution of the House of Representatives. He claimed there was a split with, in his words, �the doves� (Veera, Dr. Weng, Natthawut and Jatuporn) wanting to accept Abhisit�s roadmap and �the hawks� (Arisaman, Kwanchai and Suporn) opposing it and wanting to �fight to the death� in a prolonged and intensified protest.

He also stated that the Red Shirt leaders wanted him to leave as he said they were unhappy with his branding of the Red Shirt leaders as �being weak� but, he said, Thaksin was the only person who could tell him whether to stay or go; he said that Thaksin had told him that morning that Arisaman was to be the next leader of the Red Shirt movement. Natthawut said on stage that Thaksin did not have authority to replace the Red Shirt leaders.

On 13 May the government announced that the rally site � which measured about a square mile � would be surrounded by army and police forces under the command of the CRES, supported by armoured vehicles and sharpshooters, at 6pm. They would be using live ammunition only in self defense and would be equipped with two types of assault rifle. The army would not move in on the protest site but would seal it off, preventing anyone from entering but allowing people to leave. Throughout the day, the Red Shirt leaders were on stage with fiery rhetoric, saying that they would fight any incursion on them. A widening of the State of Emergency was also announced in 15 provinces where Red Shirt factions were active.

In the early evening, General Seh Daeng was shot in the head, minutes after giving an interview to local and foreign journalists. No one claimed responsibility, but the government denied any involvement and the Red Shirts and Thaksin both chastised the government to the media for �ordering the assassination� of a national hero. He was rushed to a nearby hospital � he was closer to Chulalongkorn Hospital, but the Red Shirt guards did not dare to take him there after he had earlier set up barricades in front of it � and transferred to another after the hospital was surrounded by Red Shirt protesters wanting to take his corpse. He was left in a coma after successful surgery to remove a bullet from his head.

... and then he died on 17 May. As I said above, this shooting is probably the UDD's best case against the military - but even still it could well have been the Reds/Blacks trying to 'shut him up'. Maybe we'll never find out.

Oh, and I'm not a journalist, and don't plan to be.

Thanks. This confirms my belief that "carry on her father's political ambitions and ideology" and "My goal and that of the Khattiyatham Party is to bring justice to society and serve the public" (Khattiyaa Sawasdipol, 12 June 2010) may not match. Unless justice is brought by using the sword and serve the public excludes opponents

[Phuket_Brad]

If Army supporters of the red shirts are water melons (green outside / red inside) than what is Khattiyaa to be called?

Edited September 27, 2010 by Phuket_Brad

[scorecard]

Just what was/are sae daeng's policies / platform / manifesto?

[animatic]

I was wondering when this shoe would drop.

She is being used, but thinking it's her idea.

Yes carry on dad's legacy, that she totally disagreed with.

Blood ties are thicker than logic.

No doubts he was murdered, but by whom is really two probabilities.

The compatriots of the killed army leaders from the earlier battle,

who were sandbagged and killed before they even knew that had

a military opponent to deal with.

Or the black forces, under more obscure orders

to silence him as a loose cannon shooting his mouth off,

and simultaneously create an on going martyr for the red cause.

Of course this latter group never expected his daughter to transform to

a figure that could effectively split their ranks and make their power fragment.

But someone clearly sees her has an effective weapon in this war of the hisos.

This looks like a likely scenario.

[animatic]

If Army supporters of the red shirts are water melons (green outside / red inside) than what is Khattiyaa to be called?

Over ripe.

[rubl]

Just what was/are sae daeng's policies / platform / manifesto?

No idea apart from general biilsh1t. The link provided on Wikipedia Thai is not of much help to me Still searching.

The comments already posted should make you wonder though. The 'prone to verbally attack superiors' as an Army General would have had him dismissed as soon as legally possible in many countries. His frequent trips to check with K. Thaksin made him not much different from PTP MP's. Trying to usurp power over other UDD leaders mid-May and how he tried to force that made him a dangerous man. How to translate his actions into a political manifest ? Maybe "I have a gun, better listen to me" sums it up

[Pi Sek]

How to translate his actions into a political manifest ? Maybe "I have a gun, better listen to me" sums it up

"Dad has his own way. He is my father, whom I respect. But when it comes to political stances, no one can be forced [to change]," she said.

As rubl suggests, not according to her father.

[phetaroi]

Yes, she was. But after his father is murdered (possibly by CRES to control the situation), she continue her father wish. I will not blame her. And please don't tell me it is not murder; that it was just an accidental discharge of bullet (one single bullet) that happens to go through the father head.

I'm sure it wasn't an accident. It was Karma.

[givenall]

Have I got this wrong, or wasn't she a vocal PAD activist a couple of years back?

You got it correct and spot on, but people involved in politics often change lane. In her case, it was her father's party and I don't blame her for switching lane. This is politics.

I don’t but PAD may and there may be a revenge there in future