Interpol issues 'red notice' for arrest of WikiLeaks' Julian Assange

[LaoPo]

Assange Slams China's WikiLeaks Copycat: 'Very Dangerous To Do It Wrong'

30 Nov 2010

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange doesn't think much of the activists planning a Chinese version of WikiLeaks, blasting them with the kind of vitriol often reserved for him by critics of his document dumps.

My colleague Andy Greenberg interviewed Assange for two hours earlier this month in London for this Forbes cover package. While making some tantalizing pronouncements about leaks yet to come from the corporate world, including a major U.S. bank, Assange doesn't seem to be looking forward to what emerges from the China copycat. Though he doesn't name the group, he appears to be talking about Government Leaks, which is planning a June 1, 2011, launch, according to The South China Morning Post.

The former computer hacker Assange, who has gone to great lengths to guard his controversial trove of leaked files against sophisticated hackers, worries about the security of the new organization and its sources. Here is the exchange from the transcript of Greenberg's interview (the following from page 7):

More:

http://blogs.forbes....to-do-it-wrong/

LaoPo

[geriatrickid]

First I'm sorry you're not able to discuss this without dragging it into a personal thing towards me. It shows how frustrated some people are that their country is so embarrassed about the leaked documents and content and I'm not only talking about the US here.

But secondly I'm not allowed to post any news links about WikiLeaks here anymore (even from quality news sources) so there's no option for me to show or link documents and/or videos to prove that there were severe criminal acts committed. But I'm sure many here know about the disgusting videos where innocent people were deliberately and cold blooded murdered.

Don't kill the messenger; some Governments better ask themselves how to improve, and that, Geriatrickid, includes China, one of the countries mentioned in those WikiLeaks documents as well.

The problem with some of you guys is that you can't take any criticism about your own country, never mind if they commit criminal acts.

But if those acts where against yourself or your own family, your beloved ones, you would shout it from the roofs to ask for attention.

LaoPo

Let's look at your statements and please try not to kick your feet as you dangle from the rope you hung and that you are now tangled in;

1, First I'm sorry you're not able to discuss this without dragging it into a personal thing towards me. It shows how frustrated some people are that their country is so embarrassed about the leaked documents and content and I'm not only talking about the US here.

On the contrary, you have set yourself as as investigator, judge and jury.

Where is the the role of corroborating evidence? Where is the right to view things in context? Confidential information is released that you have accepted as fact. Most of the documentation consists of personal assessments, opinions or other similar information. Where is the other side? You blindly accept and you do not question. I am not embarrassed when I see the comments alleged to have been made by Arab leaders about Iran, or other comments made about world leaders. However, I do recognize that this is how diplomats work.

You offer inflamatory remarks and opinions and then wonder why someone will not call you out on them? You are consistently anti- American. That is your right. However, your arguments would be more substantive if they were not so earnest in their attempt to pillory and denigrate the USA. It's like I am listening to the North Korean news.

2. But secondly I'm not allowed to post any news links about WikiLeaks here anymore (even from quality news sources) so there's no option for me to show or link documents and/or videos to prove that there were severe criminal acts committed. But I'm sure many here know about the disgusting videos where innocent people were deliberately and cold blooded murdered.

Videos and other documentation must be put into context. It is very easy to see part of a video extract and jump to a conclusion. Yes, some of the coalition forces have made mistakes and errors. The USAF killed Canadian ground troops in Afghanistan in a situation similar to the incident you keep harping on. It's tragic, but unfortunately, friendly fire casualties are a fact of life in war. My father has reminded me of how the Americans were dug in on a hill in Korea and under attack by the invading Chinese forces. British units were rushing to relieve them as the Americans were being over run by Chinese. My father's artillery regiment started shelling what they thought were Chinese. Instead they were shelling the Americans. The Americans mistook the British for Chinese and opened fire. That is what happens in war.

You keep claiming crimes have occurred but you cannot substantiate your allegations except scream out, look at the videos. In order to prove criminal behaviour you claim, you also have to show an intent to cause the crime. The incidents you refer to do not demonstrate criminal intent. There may have been human error or incompetence but there is no evidence of a crime.

3. Don't kill the messenger; some Governments better ask themselves how to improve, and that, Geriatrickid, includes China, one of the countries mentioned in those WikiLeaks documents as well.

The information obtained by wikileaks was obtained through an illegal act. For someone that dresses himself up in the robes of sanctimonious purity and utters holier than though directives condemning everyone else for their bad behaviour, why don't you start with some introspection first? The fruit of the poisonious tree is not acceptable evidence. If you accept the wikileaks information as is, then you throw aside a basic precept of justice that illegally gathered evidence is not acceptable. Are you staking your claims for criminal behaviour based upon illegally obtained information? The information was gained by either forcible unauthorized entry or by outright theft. How can a man of your self professed morality condone that? Even the most horrible of killers is allowed due process, at least in the USA and other western countries.

4. The problem with some of you guys is that you can't take any criticism about your own country, never mind if they commit criminal acts.

But if those acts where against yourself or your own family, your beloved ones, you would shout it from the roofs to ask for attention.

Rubbish. I value criticism, constructive criticism that is. The only one shouting from a roof is your. If your posts had little cartoon like exclamation marks and thunderbolts to convey your wrath they would be complete. I am opposed to thiswikileaks activity because it feeds into the frenzy of irrational fears, conspiracy theories and is the product of a person or persons that have breached confidentiality and privacy laws. The cables were confidential. They were not for general distribution. Peoples lives have been endangered by the releases of the names of sources in Afghanistan. Are those people to be sacrificed for your vendetta against all things American?

The wikileaks focuses the attention on the USA. I do not doubt for a miniute that the USA has done some nasty things. That is part of real politik. However, there is a concept of fairness that has been betrayed. There are no leaks from China or Pakistan or Iran or any of the countries that you seem to favour. Is the reason attributable to the fact that there is a measure of freedom allowed in the USA and that citizens still can go about their lives without fear of a secret police agent spying on them? Had a Chinese national attempted to leak information on China, the person would have disappeared by now and it is unlikely that the information would have been leaked because the Chinese monitor everything.

Edited December 3, 2010 by geriatrickid

[Ulysses G.]

The North Korean news indeed. Well said.

Edited December 3, 2010 by Ulysses G.

[geriatrickid]

I just spoke to a Swedish friend.

There's something smelly about this whole case of so called "rape" and "sexual harassment" and it's just in the news that the Swedish police, by means of a certain Mr.Tommy Kangasvieri, admitted they made a mistake in "procedures" and that a new arrest warrant is being drafted.

I'm curious on what grounds this time.

Anyway, Mr. Assange visited one of the women/girls on invitation and staid with her for 2 whole days...making love, having dinner and more cosy things 2 lovers are supposed to do...

It's fishy now why this girl, as well as the other one decided to step to the police and fial complaints about sexual harassments/rape, long after Mr. Assange left.

In the meantime Julian Assange is tipped as MAN OF THE YEAR by Time Magazine in the US where he is third in place behind Turkish Premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan and popsinger Lady Gaga.

Barack Obama is on 6th place whilst Sarah Palin is 10.

LaoPo

Feeling a bit nervous? Why is it that you so readily accept information from wikileaks, but you dismiss a Swedish criminal investigation?

You find it fishy do you? I find your position hypocritical.

It seems that the Swedish high court does not share your opinion. Perhaps you can share your insight with the Swedish judiciary.

Mr. Assange appealed the Swedish court ruling that he be detained on the charges. The Swedish Supreme court said it saw no reason to review the Assange case and upheld the detention order. The previous court order had stated that Assange is suspected of rape, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of unlawful coercion.

Surely, if the charges were without merit, Mr. Assange would have won his appeal. The court obviously found that there was enough to proceed to a full trial. If Mr. Assange can show reasonable doubt in respect to the charges he can go back to being the center of attention.. Are you now going to suggest that the Swedish Supreme court is under the control of the USA.

[powderpuff]

ditto. Apparrently INTERPOL doesn't share his opinion either. LOL.

[kujirasan]

The whole thing is a joke to be taken seriously, the time of these so called random leaks is way to well managed and coordinated, they more of creaky coincidence, or concomitant coincidences. These leaks may be are meant to embarrass people that shadow men are unhappy with their performance, if Assange was a real threat he would have been taking a dirt nap long a go. The poppet master are smarter than one can imagine! every one has his price, and Assange is no different.

One of the woman that accused him, is Anna Ardin, she was the one that invited him to Sweden and accompanied around the country and organized his trips and appearances, the other one is her friend. Sweet Anna's cousin , her close friend and confidante is Lieutenant Colonel Mattias Ardin, Deputy Head of Operations, Swedish Joint Forces, who is operating in Afghanistan, wonder why ? after all the clean skinned Sweden is not in NATO, it is a neutral country!

Anna Ardin is known to have been infatuated with (and have translated) the infamous 'Seven Steps to Legal Revenge' which details how to inflict pain on enemies by getting people to stalk them and by using other nefarious tricks. Ardin ardently believes the patriarchal aspect of Western society is only held in place by the male's ability to rape women. Adrin it herself is the mole within mole, etc. People have to be manipulated and fooled! And they are doing a good job out there.

That Russia has a Mafia etc, never been a novelty to any one! Given the nature of the country, Mafia cannot operated even one day without state backing! They keep them because they need them to do some work may not be respectable! Most countries have them in various forms, the Russian ones are just new kids on the block!

After Olaf Palme (Swedish Prime Minister)was assassinated by a vagrant that have no where to live and even did no know who Prime Minister was! But the near by

Police unit, well knew both men! Sweden and its prosecutors etc may not be as clean as they are cracked up to be, not mention the sinking of Estonian ferry and it cargo! After all more publicity for Assange, get more attention, and more coverage and more discredit and embarrassment, for those that are not pleasing the masters as they should!

Edited December 3, 2010 by kujirasan

[SergeiY]

All I know is that if it was not for the USA despite its many imperfections, the world would not have most of its current freedoms. On that basis alone, I am willing to tolerate some of the unpleasant things the USA does and says. At lleast with the US approach I still have the right to protest and complain. If groups such as China or Pakistan were running things now, I'd be dead. I think you would be too.

Than stop complaining about when others use that right to complain and to protest or have different opinions than yours.

[SergeiY]

2. But secondly I'm not allowed to post any news links about WikiLeaks here anymore (even from quality news sources) so there's no option for me to show or link documents and/or videos to prove that there were severe criminal acts committed. But I'm sure many here know about the disgusting videos where innocent people were deliberately and cold blooded murdered.

Videos and other documentation must be put into context. It is very easy to see part of a video extract and jump to a conclusion. Yes, some of the coalition forces have made mistakes and errors. The USAF killed Canadian ground troops in Afghanistan in a situation similar to the incident you keep harping on. It's tragic, but unfortunately, friendly fire casualties are a fact of life in war. My father has reminded me of how the Americans were dug in on a hill in Korea and under attack by the invading Chinese forces. British units were rushing to relieve them as the Americans were being over run by Chinese. My father's artillery regiment started shelling what they thought were Chinese. Instead they were shelling the Americans. The Americans mistook the British for Chinese and opened fire. That is what happens in war.

You keep claiming crimes have occurred but you cannot substantiate your allegations except scream out, look at the videos. In order to prove criminal behaviour you claim, you also have to show an intent to cause the crime. The incidents you refer to do not demonstrate criminal intent. There may have been human error or incompetence but there is no evidence of a crime.

Most pathetic attempt to excuse murder and war crimes.

[geriatrickid]

2. But secondly I'm not allowed to post any news links about WikiLeaks here anymore (even from quality news sources) so there's no option for me to show or link documents and/or videos to prove that there were severe criminal acts committed. But I'm sure many here know about the disgusting videos where innocent people were deliberately and cold blooded murdered.

Videos and other documentation must be put into context. It is very easy to see part of a video extract and jump to a conclusion. Yes, some of the coalition forces have made mistakes and errors. The USAF killed Canadian ground troops in Afghanistan in a situation similar to the incident you keep harping on. It's tragic, but unfortunately, friendly fire casualties are a fact of life in war. My father has reminded me of how the Americans were dug in on a hill in Korea and under attack by the invading Chinese forces. British units were rushing to relieve them as the Americans were being over run by Chinese. My father's artillery regiment started shelling what they thought were Chinese. Instead they were shelling the Americans. The Americans mistook the British for Chinese and opened fire. That is what happens in war.

You keep claiming crimes have occurred but you cannot substantiate your allegations except scream out, look at the videos. In order to prove criminal behaviour you claim, you also have to show an intent to cause the crime. The incidents you refer to do not demonstrate criminal intent. There may have been human error or incompetence but there is no evidence of a crime.

Most pathetic attempt to excuse murder and war crimes.

Were you looking for the Chechnya thread? Or were you looking for the thread on the invasion of Georgia by the Russians?

[OxfordWill]

Speak softly, but carry a big stick.

Yea, and just hit people with it until they agree with you ;)

[SergeiY]

2. But secondly I'm not allowed to post any news links about WikiLeaks here anymore (even from quality news sources) so there's no option for me to show or link documents and/or videos to prove that there were severe criminal acts committed. But I'm sure many here know about the disgusting videos where innocent people were deliberately and cold blooded murdered.

Videos and other documentation must be put into context. It is very easy to see part of a video extract and jump to a conclusion. Yes, some of the coalition forces have made mistakes and errors. The USAF killed Canadian ground troops in Afghanistan in a situation similar to the incident you keep harping on. It's tragic, but unfortunately, friendly fire casualties are a fact of life in war. My father has reminded me of how the Americans were dug in on a hill in Korea and under attack by the invading Chinese forces. British units were rushing to relieve them as the Americans were being over run by Chinese. My father's artillery regiment started shelling what they thought were Chinese. Instead they were shelling the Americans. The Americans mistook the British for Chinese and opened fire. That is what happens in war.

You keep claiming crimes have occurred but you cannot substantiate your allegations except scream out, look at the videos. In order to prove criminal behaviour you claim, you also have to show an intent to cause the crime. The incidents you refer to do not demonstrate criminal intent. There may have been human error or incompetence but there is no evidence of a crime.

Most pathetic attempt to excuse murder and war crimes.

Were you looking for the Chechnya thread? Or were you looking for the thread on the invasion of Georgia by the Russians?

Second most pathetic attempt to excuse murder and war crimes (exposed by wikileaks).

Or do you really don't know exactly what kind of stuff made public with these wikileaks? Than please read some newspapers and not just the papers you get from your commando controller and the propaganda office.

[Ulysses G.]

2. But secondly I'm not allowed to post any news links about WikiLeaks here anymore (even from quality news sources) so there's no option for me to show or link documents and/or videos to prove that there were severe criminal acts committed. But I'm sure many here know about the disgusting videos where innocent people were deliberately and cold blooded murdered.

Videos and other documentation must be put into context. It is very easy to see part of a video extract and jump to a conclusion. Yes, some of the coalition forces have made mistakes and errors. The USAF killed Canadian ground troops in Afghanistan in a situation similar to the incident you keep harping on. It's tragic, but unfortunately, friendly fire casualties are a fact of life in war. My father has reminded me of how the Americans were dug in on a hill in Korea and under attack by the invading Chinese forces. British units were rushing to relieve them as the Americans were being over run by Chinese. My father's artillery regiment started shelling what they thought were Chinese. Instead they were shelling the Americans. The Americans mistook the British for Chinese and opened fire. That is what happens in war.

You keep claiming crimes have occurred but you cannot substantiate your allegations except scream out, look at the videos. In order to prove criminal behaviour you claim, you also have to show an intent to cause the crime. The incidents you refer to do not demonstrate criminal intent. There may have been human error or incompetence but there is no evidence of a crime.

Most pathetic attempt to excuse murder and war crimes.

Were you looking for the Chechnya thread? Or were you looking for the thread on the invasion of Georgia by the Russians?

Maybe the thread on zachistki raids by Russian backed troops? I'm pretty sure that Julian released some files that mentioned those.

[WarpSpeed]

A long sentence for espionage in a Marine Brig would be well deserved by Mr Assange.

WHY GENERAL????

Just for giving us the inside lowdown on America's conceited views on the rest of humanity????

For being nothing more then a spoiled rotten, vindictive, attention seeking piece of <deleted>. This is not about freedom of speech, truth or anything remotely close to it, this is a kin to you stealing a persons personal diary and publicizing it all across the internet and that too is against the law and not nearly as serious as what this low life is doing.

It's all about a child like mentality who just wants world wide attention and sometimes you have to have be careful what you wish for and demonstrate some integrity that goes beyond what you believe and he has none and no sense of responsibility nor integrity..

Besides being a rapist which is being charged by young women he knows he was involved with and is being done by an INDEPENDENT government after some thorough investigation before filing charges..

It isn't his first run in with the law either long before this episode but that fact is easily overlooked for convenience sakes..

Basically he's just a common criminal with low moral standards who's been convicted previously and not some super hero as naive people would like to paint him and these actions just illustrate that fact even more..

Edited December 3, 2010 by WarpSpeed

[WarpSpeed]

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<br />A long sentence for espionage in a Marine Brig would be well deserved by Mr Assange. <img src="http://www.nohomers.net/images/smilies/pac-man.gif" /><br />

<br /><br /><br />WHY GENERAL????<br />Just for giving us the inside lowdown on America's conceited views on the rest of humanity????<br />

<br /><br /><br />

The little Aussie guy has got the Yanks trenbling in thier boots and they are running scared. The truth of what America thinks about the rest of the world is coming out and they don't like thier hypocracy being revealed and that is all it is.

Is he Aussie? He's Aussie born but with a name like Assange he's got to be French or Belgian hasn't he?? Explains a lot IMO..

Edited December 3, 2010 by WarpSpeed

[SergeiY]

2. But secondly I'm not allowed to post any news links about WikiLeaks here anymore (even from quality news sources) so there's no option for me to show or link documents and/or videos to prove that there were severe criminal acts committed. But I'm sure many here know about the disgusting videos where innocent people were deliberately and cold blooded murdered.

Videos and other documentation must be put into context. It is very easy to see part of a video extract and jump to a conclusion. Yes, some of the coalition forces have made mistakes and errors. The USAF killed Canadian ground troops in Afghanistan in a situation similar to the incident you keep harping on. It's tragic, but unfortunately, friendly fire casualties are a fact of life in war. My father has reminded me of how the Americans were dug in on a hill in Korea and under attack by the invading Chinese forces. British units were rushing to relieve them as the Americans were being over run by Chinese. My father's artillery regiment started shelling what they thought were Chinese. Instead they were shelling the Americans. The Americans mistook the British for Chinese and opened fire. That is what happens in war.

You keep claiming crimes have occurred but you cannot substantiate your allegations except scream out, look at the videos. In order to prove criminal behaviour you claim, you also have to show an intent to cause the crime. The incidents you refer to do not demonstrate criminal intent. There may have been human error or incompetence but there is no evidence of a crime.

Most pathetic attempt to excuse murder and war crimes.

Were you looking for the Chechnya thread? Or were you looking for the thread on the invasion of Georgia by the Russians?

Maybe the thread on zachistki raids by Russian backed troops? I'm pretty sure that Julian released some files that mentioned those.

One crime simple doesn't excuse another. nor are some straw man arguments excuses. Coming up with something totally unrelated is pathetic and probably trollish.

[mark45y]

SergeiY I got lost in all the quotes. Could you restate your position.

The Wikileaks guy should not be arrested because, the Swedish Supreme court is in the American's pocket or because the Americans are bad people or because Interpol is in the American's pocket or something I am not aware of.

[hammered]

Attacking the messenger whether there is anyhting to the charge or not does not and should not distract from the message. Wikileaks whatever its motivation and whoever it attacks is a great addition to freedom of information especially in this age of corporate facist control of most medai which is about as reliable as Goebbels organs. Wikileaks deserves support whatever happens to this character who in real terms isnt important.

Seeing governments that purport to be operating in the name of freedom for what they really are is something that is a service for the peoples living there whoi now know of the war crimes committed in their names

[mark45y]

Attacking the messenger whether there is anyhting to the charge or not does not and should not distract from the message. Wikileaks whatever its motivation and whoever it attacks is a great addition to freedom of information especially in this age of corporate facist control of most medai which is about as reliable as Goebbels organs. Wikileaks deserves support whatever happens to this character who in real terms isnt important.

Seeing governments that purport to be operating in the name of freedom for what they really are is something that is a service for the peoples living there whoi now know of the war crimes committed in their names

Interesting but off topic. This thread is about an arrest warrant that has nothing to do with WikiLeaks. Maybe you should start a topic about the fact that no government should have the right to secret communications. It would save a lot of money. No need for spies. Just turn over all the communications to the press. That might have botched up the D Day landings, but I am sure you wouldn't have minded. Freedom of information is far more important. Right?

[koheesti]

I just spoke to a Swedish friend.In the meantime Julian Assange is tipped as MAN OF THE YEAR by Time Magazine in the US

LaoPo

It's not always a good thing.He'll be in good company...

1938

Along with Joseph Stalin and Ayatullah Khomeini.

[beechguy]

Attacking the messenger whether there is anyhting to the charge or not does not and should not distract from the message. Wikileaks whatever its motivation and whoever it attacks is a great addition to freedom of information especially in this age of corporate facist control of most medai which is about as reliable as Goebbels organs. Wikileaks deserves support whatever happens to this character who in real terms isnt important.

Seeing governments that purport to be operating in the name of freedom for what they really are is something that is a service for the peoples living there whoi now know of the war crimes committed in their names

Not always clean and simple, but I think the results count for something. Just a couple of examples, who do you think was better off, the East Germans or those in the west. Do you think the Berlin Wall was built to keep out the West? How about the Koreans, are the citizens of N. Korea living better than the south? No doubt which side I would want to be on.

[LaoPo]

Well, we can only conclude that the WikiLeaks documents caused serious nervousness, to say the least, around the world, including on TV. The attacks on my person belong to the job I suppose.

At the same time it shows something else: that there is a group of people allowing and excusing their governments to act irresponsible, criminal behavior and use their own tax money to cheat on their own people and the rest of the world.

It isn't over yet:

WikiLeaks Backup Plan Could Drop Diplomatic Bomb

Supporters Downloading Heavily Encrypted File Told They Will Receive Key if Trouble Befalls Website, Founder

http://www.cbsnews.c...in7111845.shtml

LaoPo

[LaoPo]

I just spoke to a Swedish friend.In the meantime Julian Assange is tipped as MAN OF THE YEAR by Time Magazine in the US

LaoPo

It's not always a good thing.He'll be in good company...

1938

You and others seem to forget WHY Time Magazine elects a certain individual or group:

Person of the Year (formerly Man of the Year) is an annual issue of the United States newsmagazine Time that features and profiles a person, couple, group, idea, place, or machine that "for better or for worse, ...has done the most to influence the events of the year."^[1]

From Wiki.

But, maybe it's a better idea for Time to opt for Lady Gaga, just spotted and filmed in Amsterdam 2 days ago in a Coffee Shop in the Red Light District, walking around the "Ladies' area" who're sitting cosy behind the red tinted windows

LaoPo

[elliss]

its a mystery to me why Interpol can do this on a trumped up sexual charge financed by the USA to try to shut him up but cannot do the same for Thaksin, an already convicted criminal and main financier of the terrorist red revolutionary forces

cos the USA , are determined to nail julian assange , on any charge ,

that puts him away , for a lonnng time.

the thai govt , DO NOT want to nail thaskin, it just sounds good on paper.

MR aassangs , last known whereabouts were in england .

only a matter of time before the sweeny nab him .

[ozzieovaseas]

This story is about the sexual assault case against someone. Let's stick to that topic.

IMO, the creepy Assange looked like someone who would commit sexual assault before his make-over.

If you believe the reports stating the guy is ultra paranoid (obviously with good reason) and is ultra careful about who, what and where he goes and does, its hard to imagine he would allow himself to have been in the position he is accused of.

I know we all get the itch that needs scratching at times, but i'd assume this guy has a lot more on his mind and he definately ain't silly.

[Ulysses G.]

But, maybe it's a better idea for Time to opt for Lady Gaga,

At least Lady Gaga refused to boycott Arizona when all the trendies made that their cause of the month. She has some kind of moral authority unlike Assange.

[canuckamuck]

This is all part of the plan, created by those who create governments, to destabilize the world's political system simultaneously with the collapse of the monetary system.

[koheesti]

I just spoke to a Swedish friend.In the meantime Julian Assange is tipped as MAN OF THE YEAR by Time Magazine in the US

LaoPo

It's not always a good thing.He'll be in good company...

1938

You and others seem to forget WHY Time Magazine elects a certain individual or group:

Why do you think I need reminding? I'm the one who posted that it isn't always a good thing. However, I might need reminding that not everyone here is a native speaker of English. Even native speakers get mixed up so I can understand why you did.

[JUDAS]

Any thread involving the USA,UK or Israel, to name but a few, always follows the same format. One group will bash the country at every opportunity. One group will defend at all costs and, a few posters will approach the debate in a logically and reasonable way.

The bashers are predictable with their hate but sometimes amusing. The logical are always at least thought provoking. Those who defend without making any real supportive argument actually concern me the most. Pride in ones country is fine, being patriotic to a degree is ok, but, a patriot who never questions but believes blindly becomes nothing more than a puppet. Do puppets help maintain democracy?.....

Just my little observation.

[Ulysses G.]

This is all part of the plan, created by those who create governments, to destabilize the world's political system simultaneously with the collapse of the monetary system.

Glenn Beck says that it is George Soros!

[LaoPo]

But, maybe it's a better idea for Time to opt for Lady Gaga,

At least Lady Gaga refused to boycott Arizona when all the trendies made that their cause of the month. She has some kind of moral authority unlike Assange.

Who heard about the Arizona boycott but Americans and a few educated? Lady Gaga lovers don't give sh_t about Arizona.

LaoPo