fasteddie Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 "The Khmer are battle hard. They have fought a war till 15 years ago. They are holding the highland. Good luck with it. " The high ground is all on the Thai side and if it came to a war the Cambodians would be slaughtered in days, get your facts right before letting your hatred for the country that you live in run away with you. Don't make me laugh, the Thai army won't be sniping innocent protesters from roof tops this time or slaughtering worshipers at prayer, they'll be fighting soldiers, that's a new one for them. It's not a hatred of the country we love but a deep sadness for the stupid and childish way they behave! You must be new to Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkawish Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 (edited) When the report says that shells landed on thai soil, did they land on Thai soil or just what thailand believes is Thai soil? random.... Per chance, were you old enough around 1980, to remember anything happening around Southeast Asia then....? I was just hoping that either you yourself, your father-mother, uncle-auntie, or your male-female friends were one of those stationed and serving here when the Cambodian refugees were fleeing by the ten thousands into Thailand.... until the international communities and agencies stepped in to render a helping hand to feed the fleeing Cambodian refugees.... Were you old enough then to remember anything? Or did you have a chance to find out for yourself, just which country did the refugees fleeing into.... to seek shelter and sanctuary back around 1980....? Or did you find out for yourself which country mercifully take those refugees in to protect and feed them.... for more than a decade....? If you really care to find out for yourself and for your own personal knowledge, so you won't be just repeating what others were saying.... if you have some time, you could help yourself by digesting just some of the followings.... But for those who really wish to know what is what.... need only to ask their fathers or mothers or uncles or aunts or friends who stationed and served around Southeast Asia around 1980.... just.... where or on which country soil, did we dug the well to feed the fleeing refugees and more importantly, on which country territory, did we build the encampment for the refugees....? Their answers ought to pretty much clarify which parcels of land belong to which countries and which country should really lay claim to the current so called--disputed area....? Back then in 1980, it was very clear that the UN and the International Red Cross and other relief agencies were cooperatively seeking permission from Thailand to build those facilities to accommodate the Camb refugees.... It was very clear to every country in the world that those parcels of land belong exclusively to Thailand.... Most importantly, the refugees themselves now settled affluently in the midwest agricultural regions in the US, Australia and Euro.... would also tell everyone who cares to listen.... that they; were fleeing into Thailand from Cambodia and surrounding regions...., living on Thailand good grace...., drinking from the UN well on Thai soil...., sleeping in tents erected on Thailand side.... and lastly, leaving for their new home.... from Thailand.... :jap: There was really not a doubt in 1980 then.... which country, Thailand or Cambodian, have the sovereign rights over those parcels of land.... What has embolden Cambodian and HuSen, or who have inspired the Camb and HuSen, in 2010, to dare to not only bite the hands that used to feed them with mercy.... but also to dare to lay claim over those parcels of land that used to provide them with security and comfort.... ? :jap: Those who used to give their own lives and served in this region.... just could not figure it out.... just what could have gone so very wrong.... around Southeast Asia.... at present.... Most perplexing is... why does the current Thai govt behave in such strange manners.... not saying anything or doing anything to protect its own interests and the interests of the Thai people.... but instead chimed in with the former refugees.... proclaiming that those parcels of land--perhaps belong to the refugees....! Isn't there any Thai who is old enough to remember those frightening days and times in recent history....? Or have they all gone overseas to study at Oxford.... Cheers random.... :jap: Edited February 4, 2011 by mkawish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregb Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 picked this up on BBC "The Cambodian government has called it an "invasion", while the Thai military said it was a misunderstanding." Sounds like the Thai's started it. No, It sounds like Cambodia is engaging in their usual rhetoric trying to inflame the situation, and Thailand is trying to be reasonable and figure out a way to keep things civil and peaceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsiam Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 When the report says that shells landed on thai soil, did they land on Thai soil or just what thailand believes is Thai soil? random.... Per chance, were you old enough around 1980, to remember anything happening around Southeast Asia then....? I was just hoping that either you yourself, your father-mother, uncle-auntie, or your male-female friends were one of those stationed and serving here when the Cambodian refugees were fleeing by the ten thousands into Thailand.... until the international communities and agencies stepped in to render a helping hand to feed the fleeing Cambodian refugees.... Were you old enough then to remember anything? Or did you have a chance to find out for yourself, just which country did the refugees fleeing into.... to seek shelter and sanctuary back around 1980....? Or did you find out for yourself which country mercifully take those refugees in to protect and feed them.... for more than a decade....? If you really care to find out for yourself and for your own personal knowledge, so you won't be just repeating what others were saying.... if you have some time, you could help yourself by digesting just some of the followings.... But for those who really wish to know what is what.... need only to ask their fathers or mothers or uncles or aunts or friends who stationed and served around Southeast Asia around 1980.... just.... where or on which country soil, did we dug the well to feed the fleeing refugees and more importantly, on which country territory, did we build the encampment for the refugees....? Their answers ought to pretty much clarify which parcels of land belong to which countries and which country should really lay claim to the current so called--disputed area....? Back then in 1980, it was very clear that the UN and the International Red Cross and other relief agencies were cooperatively seeking permission from Thailand to build those facilities to accommodate the Camb refugees.... It was very clear to every country in the world that those parcels of land belong exclusively to Thailand.... Most importantly, the refugees themselves now settled affluently in the midwest agricultural regions in the US, Australia and Euro.... would also tell everyone who cares to listen.... that they; were fleeing into Thailand from Cambodia and surrounding regions...., living on Thailand good grace...., drinking from the UN well on Thai soil...., sleeping in tents erected on Thailand side.... and lastly, leaving for their new home.... from Thailand.... :jap: There was really not a doubt in 1980 then.... which country, Thailand or Cambodian, have the sovereign rights over those parcels of land.... What has embolden Cambodian and HuSen, or who have inspired the Camb and HuSen, in 2010, to dare to not only bite the hands that used to feed them with mercy.... but also to dare to lay claim over those parcels of land that used to provide them with security and comfort.... ? :jap: Those who used to give their own lives and served in this region.... just could not figure it out.... just what could have gone so very wrong.... around Southeast Asia.... at present.... Most perplexing is... why does the current Thai govt behave in such strange manners.... not saying anything or doing anything to protect its own interests and the interests of the Thai people.... but instead chimed in with the former refugees.... proclaiming that those parcels of land--perhaps belong to the refugees....! Isn't there any Thai who is old enough to remember those frightening days and times in recent history....? Or have they all gone overseas to study at Oxford.... Cheers random.... :jap: So deploy the Thai at the border and stop the invading communists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calbears Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 When the report says that shells landed on thai soil, did they land on Thai soil or just what thailand believes is Thai soil? random.... Per chance, were you old enough around 1980, to remember anything happening around Southeast Asia then....? I was just hoping that either you yourself, your father-mother, uncle-auntie, or your male-female friends were one of those stationed and serving here when the Cambodian refugees were fleeing by the ten thousands into Thailand.... until the international communities and agencies stepped in to render a helping hand to feed the fleeing Cambodian refugees.... Were you old enough then to remember anything? Or did you have a chance to find out for yourself, just which country did the refugees fleeing into.... to seek shelter and sanctuary back around 1980....? Or did you find out for yourself which country mercifully take those refugees in to protect and feed them.... for more than a decade....? If you really care to find out for yourself and for your own personal knowledge, so you won't be just repeating what others were saying.... if you have some time, you could help yourself by digesting just some of the followings.... But for those who really wish to know what is what.... need only to ask their fathers or mothers or uncles or aunts or friends who stationed and served around Southeast Asia around 1980.... just.... where or on which country soil, did we dug the well to feed the fleeing refugees and more importantly, on which country territory, did we build the encampment for the refugees....? Their answers ought to pretty much clarify which parcels of land belong to which countries and which country should really lay claim to the current so called--disputed area....? Back then in 1980, it was very clear that the UN and the International Red Cross and other relief agencies were cooperatively seeking permission from Thailand to build those facilities to accommodate the Camb refugees.... It was very clear to every country in the world that those parcels of land belong exclusively to Thailand.... Most importantly, the refugees themselves now settled affluently in the midwest agricultural regions in the US, Australia and Euro.... would also tell everyone who cares to listen.... that they; were fleeing into Thailand from Cambodia and surrounding regions...., living on Thailand good grace...., drinking from the UN well on Thai soil...., sleeping in tents erected on Thailand side.... and lastly, leaving for their new home.... from Thailand.... :jap: There was really not a doubt in 1980 then.... which country, Thailand or Cambodian, have the sovereign rights over those parcels of land.... What has embolden Cambodian and HuSen, or who have inspired the Camb and HuSen, in 2010, to dare to not only bite the hands that used to feed them with mercy.... but also to dare to lay claim over those parcels of land that used to provide them with security and comfort.... ? :jap: Those who used to give their own lives and served in this region.... just could not figure it out.... just what could have gone so very wrong.... around Southeast Asia.... at present.... Most perplexing is... why does the current Thai govt behave in such strange manners.... not saying anything or doing anything to protect its own interests and the interests of the Thai people.... but instead chimed in with the former refugees.... proclaiming that those parcels of land--perhaps belong to the refugees....! Isn't there any Thai who is old enough to remember those frightening days and times in recent history....? Or have they all gone overseas to study at Oxford.... Cheers random.... :jap: You also forgot to mention how graciously the Thai soldiers treated the Cambodian refugees. I have family members who went to take refuge in refugee camps on "Thai" soil along the Cambodia-Thailand border. And I have heard from many others who shared similar experience about how they and other Cambodians were treated when they tried to cross the border to reach the refugee camps. Please, stop saying that the refugee camps were allowed to open based on the kindness and grace of the Thai government. Without intense pressure and incentives (money) from the international communities, mainly the US, there were in no shape or form that those refugee camps could stand on "Thai" soil. You can read the following article for your own good: http://forcedmigration.ccnmtl.columbia.edu/book/export/html/26 When my aunt and her 8 months old baby daughter managed to cross the border and got close to one of the camps, Thai soldiers saw them and instead of letting them in the camp, they forced them onto the back of a truck with other refugees. The truck didn't take them to the camp, instead it took those poor refugees back into Cambodia and dumped them at the base of Dang Rek mountain into the hands of the Khmer Rouge. There were many stories like this and some survived, some got killed for fleeing the Khmer Rouge. There are countless recounts of how Thai soldiers raped female cambodian refugees and killed them. Some acted like thugs and thieves setting checking points to allow only those who had golds or other valuables for them to cross. It's beyong laughable to say that Cambodian refugees around 1980 were welcome and treated like a decent human being by the Thai gvt or its soldiers. http://dara-duong.blogspot.com/2010/12/thai-play-unwilling-hosts-to-refugees.html To be fair, there were also stories of Khmer refugees being kindly treated by Thai people along the border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuffki Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 picked this up on BBC "The Cambodian government has called it an "invasion", while the Thai military said it was a misunderstanding." Sounds like the Thai's started it. Not only that but Cambodian border troops detained four Thai soldiers during the fighting(as per Nation report) which clearly indicates that Thai's did indeed cross the border and were on Cambodia soil and not other way around as Thailand claims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MengWan Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 (edited) picked this up on BBC "The Cambodian government has called it an "invasion", while the Thai military said it was a misunderstanding." Sounds like the Thai's started it. ? I'm no psychologist, but to me it sounds like Cambodians wants war and not Thais ................ PS: To me, the real question seems to be "are the Cambodians always railroading the Thaïs so easily ?" ( Edited February 4, 2011 by MengWan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregb Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 picked this up on BBC "The Cambodian government has called it an "invasion", while the Thai military said it was a misunderstanding." Sounds like the Thai's started it. Not only that but Cambodian border troops detained four Thai soldiers during the fighting(as per Nation report) which clearly indicates that Thai's did indeed cross the border and were on Cambodia soil and not other way around as Thailand claims They were in a disputed region. Either side could have captured the other's soldiers if they were in the mood and tactical position to do so. Your position does not follow from the data available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
applez Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 (edited) picked this up on BBC "The Cambodian government has called it an "invasion", while the Thai military said it was a misunderstanding." Sounds like the Thai's started it. ? I'm no psychologist, but to me it sounds like Cambodians wants war and not Thais ................ PS: To me, the real question seems to be "are the Cambodians always railroading the Thaïs so easily ?" ( Please go back to school and learn English again! But you are right, the Cambodians did railroad the Thai's in this skirmish by taking down a few soliders and tanks. I'm surprised a lot of members here who most likely in their 50's and 60's would have known about the Vietnam war???? Clearly all the advanced military technology in the world didn't help the Americans back then and even now. Experience counts, one would of assume this was just common sense...i guess not and can only presume that many now have developed Thai thinking and mentality . Edit-SP Edited February 4, 2011 by applez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuffki Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 picked this up on BBC "The Cambodian government has called it an "invasion", while the Thai military said it was a misunderstanding." Sounds like the Thai's started it. Not only that but Cambodian border troops detained four Thai soldiers during the fighting(as per Nation report) which clearly indicates that Thai's did indeed cross the border and were on Cambodia soil and not other way around as Thailand claims They were in a disputed region. Either side could have captured the other's soldiers if they were in the mood and tactical position to do so. Your position does not follow from the data available. I follow your logic. But considering that the land in dispute is only "disputed region" in the eyes of Thailand but is legally Cambodian land as per court ruling, it would appear that Thai military did indeed cross onto Cambodian land and the account of events presented by Cambodian spokesman is more of a true statement of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakhar Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) picked this up on BBC "The Cambodian government has called it an "invasion", while the Thai military said it was a misunderstanding." Sounds like the Thai's started it. ? I'm no psychologist, but to me it sounds like Cambodians wants war and not Thais ................ PS: To me, the real question seems to be "are the Cambodians always railroading the Thaïs so easily ?" ( Please go back to school and learn English again! But you are right, the Cambodians did railroad the Thai's in this skirmish by taking down a few soliders and tanks. I'm surprised a lot of members here who most likely in their 50's and 60's would have known about the Vietnam war???? Clearly all the advanced military technology in the world didn't help the Americans back then and even now. Experience counts, one would of assume this was just common sense...i guess not and can only presume that many now have developed Thai thinking and mentality . Edit-SP America did not use "all the advanced military technology in the world" or what advanced military technology that was contained within America during the Vietnam war.... if America had.... Vietname would still be glowing today. Edited February 5, 2011 by Dakhar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 picked this up on BBC "The Cambodian government has called it an "invasion", while the Thai military said it was a misunderstanding." Sounds like the Thai's started it. Not only that but Cambodian border troops detained four Thai soldiers during the fighting(as per Nation report) which clearly indicates that Thai's did indeed cross the border and were on Cambodia soil and not other way around as Thailand claims They were in a disputed region. Either side could have captured the other's soldiers if they were in the mood and tactical position to do so. Your position does not follow from the data available. I follow your logic. But considering that the land in dispute is only "disputed region" in the eyes of Thailand but is legally Cambodian land as per court ruling, it would appear that Thai military did indeed cross onto Cambodian land and the account of events presented by Cambodian spokesman is more of a true statement of events. You mean this court ruling? The World Court ruled in 1962 that Preah Vihear itself belonged to Cambodia, although its main entrance lies in Thailand. The exact boundary through the surrounding grounds remains in dispute. The Thai-Cambodia border has never been fully demarcated, partly because it is littered with landmines left over from decades of war in Cambodia. http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/8781169/fresh-fighting-at-thaicambodian-border-army-source/ or this one? The International Court of Justice awarded it to Cambodia in 1962 but the ruling did not determine the ownership of 1.8 square miles (4.6 sq km) of scrub next to the ruins, leaving considerable scope for disagreement. http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Asia/Story/A1Story20110204-261964.html or perhaps you meant this one? The International Court of Justice awarded it to Cambodia in 1962 but the ruling did not determine the ownership of the scrub next to the ruins, leaving considerable scope for disagreement. http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE71408P20110205?pageNumber=3&virtualBrandChannel=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuffki Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 You mean this court ruling? The World Court ruled in 1962 that Preah Vihear itself belonged to Cambodia, although its main entrance lies in Thailand. The exact boundary through the surrounding grounds remains in dispute. The Thai-Cambodia border has never been fully demarcated, partly because it is littered with landmines left over from decades of war in Cambodia. http://au.news.yahoo...er-army-source/ or this one? The International Court of Justice awarded it to Cambodia in 1962 but the ruling did not determine the ownership of 1.8 square miles (4.6 sq km) of scrub next to the ruins, leaving considerable scope for disagreement. http://www.asiaone.c...204-261964.html or perhaps you meant this one? The International Court of Justice awarded it to Cambodia in 1962 but the ruling did not determine the ownership of the scrub next to the ruins, leaving considerable scope for disagreement. http://af.reuters.co...lBrandChannel=0 How about all of the above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just1Voice Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I understand entirely, what you are now saying is that after defeat, Cambodia would fight a war of terrorism, and it sounds like you would welcome it! You really should go and reside in another country and stop your bitterness towards Thailand, I guess you're pissed off about visa laws or something. I'm sick of people like you, especially Yanks, that enjoy the hospitality of this country but love to ridicule and criticise it all the time. "Settled by the ICJ", who cares, who are the ICJ in terms of this region? This land was taken from Siam by the French, take it back and no one will do a thing! I repeat, this would be over in days and the Chinese would have no interest at all, the Cambodians will moan like hell but who cares about Hun Sen, the Vietnamese are not so stupid to get involved in this. "Geographical high ground means Squat", explain please? Thailand would take quickly, how would Cambodia take back? Please check your maps, I know it's not something Us forces are keen on but it is really the deciding factor on this piece of land. You are so off base on so many points. Let me break it down for you. 1) "...after defeat". Typical Thai arrogance and feeling of superiority that has absolutely no basis other than simple, and usually stupid, arrogance. 2) "...Cambodia would fight a war of terrorism, and it sounds like you would welcome it!" I was stating an opinion, and made no reference one way or the other as to my approval or disapproval, but once again, your lack of comprehension in what you read is making itself clearly evident. 3) "You should really go reside in another country and stop your bitterness towards Thailand." Again, your comprehension sills, or lack thereof, are showing, as in my original post I clearly stated my love for this country and her people. 4) "I'm sick of people like you, especially Yanks, that enjoy the hospitality of this country but love to ridicule and criticise it all the time." I, like many others who live here, and who LOVE this country and her people, often criticize what we see, and know to be, issues of prejudice and discrimination of Thai towards dam_n near anyone who isn't Thai, the blatant corruption that permeates every part of this country from the lowest civil servant to the highest officials, a military that doesn't know it's job is to protect this country from OUTSIDERS, and to stay the hell out of politics. And we do so because we all know the POTENTIAL that this country has, but which it is wasting, and even throwing away through arrogance and ignorance. And yes, many of us are sick of people like YOU who believe Thai can do no wrong and are superior to everyone else. 5) "Who cares about the ICJ in this region?" Typical PAD and TPN thinking. When 2 or more countries agree to take a case before the ICJ, they ALSO agree to abide by the court's ruling, but also have 7 years to file an appeal if the decision goes against them. So, in simple terms, the Thai Government AGREED to let the ICJ settle the dispute, but when it went against them, instead of filing an appeal, as would have been normal procedure, they have continued to say "We don't accept it!", and act like a petulant child who can't have his way. 6) "This land was taken from Siam by the French." Wrong again. Originally the land belonged to the Khmer, and Siam took it from them! Much later Rama V, King Chulalongkorn, ceded the land to the French in a legally binding treaty, stating that it was better to lose a little land for the betterment of the whole country. From your comments I'm assuming that you are a PAD/TPN supporter and devotee, which makes me feel, not angry with you, but sorry for you and your disillusionment and lack of true history, or a grasp of reality. You really do need to put down that copy of "PAD FOR DUMMIES", and realize there are other channels on your television besides ASTV, which really stands for "Atrociously Slanted Televised Viewpoints". As I stated previously, no one in their right mind wants to see a war between Thailand & Cambodia, as it is the "common man/woman" on both sides who would be the losers. Innocent lives would be lost over the stupidity of governments who can't settle their differences like civilized people. But if it should happen, and the vaunted Thai military is unable to "crush" the Cambodians, as you believe, I hope your ego won't also crushed, although it probably will be. But, with typical "Thai-ness", you'll find something or someone else to blame it on, steadfastly refusing to believe that Thai could lose anything to their "inferior neighbors". But perhaps you can explain to me, and others, why Thailand has steadfastly refused to allow an independent, international body, or even ASEAN, help mediate a peaceful solution to this case? I'm no supporter of Hun Sen by any means, but he has offered, more than once, to let the UN, or other international bodies, help resolve it, and has also offered to allow ASEAN to help resolve it, but Thailand flatly refuses to do so? Why? Are they afraid that, once again, the ruling would go against them, and in favor of Cambodia, and the loss of "face" would be too much? Do they care more about the "loss of face" than the "loss of life"?? Appears so. This will be my last response to you, as I can't see wasting any more time on someone with your attitudes, and lacking any grasp of reality. My parting words are: "It's your fantasy, you tell it like you want." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrybankruad Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 When the report says that shells landed on thai soil, did they land on Thai soil or just what thailand believes is Thai soil? random.... Per chance, were you old enough around 1980, to remember anything happening around Southeast Asia then....? I was just hoping that either you yourself, your father-mother, uncle-auntie, or your male-female friends were one of those stationed and serving here when the Cambodian refugees were fleeing by the ten thousands into Thailand.... until the international communities and agencies stepped in to render a helping hand to feed the fleeing Cambodian refugees.... Were you old enough then to remember anything? Or did you have a chance to find out for yourself, just which country did the refugees fleeing into.... to seek shelter and sanctuary back around 1980....? Or did you find out for yourself which country mercifully take those refugees in to protect and feed them.... for more than a decade....? If you really care to find out for yourself and for your own personal knowledge, so you won't be just repeating what others were saying.... if you have some time, you could help yourself by digesting just some of the followings.... But for those who really wish to know what is what.... need only to ask their fathers or mothers or uncles or aunts or friends who stationed and served around Southeast Asia around 1980.... just.... where or on which country soil, did we dug the well to feed the fleeing refugees and more importantly, on which country territory, did we build the encampment for the refugees....? Their answers ought to pretty much clarify which parcels of land belong to which countries and which country should really lay claim to the current so called--disputed area....? Back then in 1980, it was very clear that the UN and the International Red Cross and other relief agencies were cooperatively seeking permission from Thailand to build those facilities to accommodate the Camb refugees.... It was very clear to every country in the world that those parcels of land belong exclusively to Thailand.... Most importantly, the refugees themselves now settled affluently in the midwest agricultural regions in the US, Australia and Euro.... would also tell everyone who cares to listen.... that they; were fleeing into Thailand from Cambodia and surrounding regions...., living on Thailand good grace...., drinking from the UN well on Thai soil...., sleeping in tents erected on Thailand side.... and lastly, leaving for their new home.... from Thailand.... :jap: There was really not a doubt in 1980 then.... which country, Thailand or Cambodian, have the sovereign rights over those parcels of land.... What has embolden Cambodian and HuSen, or who have inspired the Camb and HuSen, in 2010, to dare to not only bite the hands that used to feed them with mercy.... but also to dare to lay claim over those parcels of land that used to provide them with security and comfort.... ? :jap: Those who used to give their own lives and served in this region.... just could not figure it out.... just what could have gone so very wrong.... around Southeast Asia.... at present.... Most perplexing is... why does the current Thai govt behave in such strange manners.... not saying anything or doing anything to protect its own interests and the interests of the Thai people.... but instead chimed in with the former refugees.... proclaiming that those parcels of land--perhaps belong to the refugees....! Isn't there any Thai who is old enough to remember those frightening days and times in recent history....? Or have they all gone overseas to study at Oxford.... Cheers random.... :jap: You also forgot to mention how graciously the Thai soldiers treated the Cambodian refugees. I have family members who went to take refuge in refugee camps on "Thai" soil along the Cambodia-Thailand border. And I have heard from many others who shared similar experience about how they and other Cambodians were treated when they tried to cross the border to reach the refugee camps. Please, stop saying that the refugee camps were allowed to open based on the kindness and grace of the Thai government. Without intense pressure and incentives (money) from the international communities, mainly the US, there were in no shape or form that those refugee camps could stand on "Thai" soil. You can read the following article for your own good: http://forcedmigrati.../export/html/26 When my aunt and her 8 months old baby daughter managed to cross the border and got close to one of the camps, Thai soldiers saw them and instead of letting them in the camp, they forced them onto the back of a truck with other refugees. The truck didn't take them to the camp, instead it took those poor refugees back into Cambodia and dumped them at the base of Dang Rek mountain into the hands of the Khmer Rouge. There were many stories like this and some survived, some got killed for fleeing the Khmer Rouge. There are countless recounts of how Thai soldiers raped female cambodian refugees and killed them. Some acted like thugs and thieves setting checking points to allow only those who had golds or other valuables for them to cross. It's beyong laughable to say that Cambodian refugees around 1980 were welcome and treated like a decent human being by the Thai gvt or its soldiers. http://dara-duong.bl...o-refugees.html To be fair, there were also stories of Khmer refugees being kindly treated by Thai people along the border. What about the refugees that repaid their Thai hosts by burning and completely destroying the Nikom market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 What about the refugees that repaid their Thai hosts by burning and completely destroying the Nikom market? Only quoting this for clarity, as Baz is not that computer savvy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
applez Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Dakhar Don't play semantics, anyone with half a brain could comprehend that the US were far superior than North Vietnam back in the 1960/70's. YES, they could of used Nuclear weapons, they even could of used the their invisible cloaks, laser beans or light sabers but they DIDN'T! And if anyone would actually like to know the truth behind this border issue please refer to the links below: http://www.icj-cij.o...les/45/4873.pdf - Judgement of the issue by the ICJ; http://www.icj-cij.o...es/45/11220.pdf - Maps used by Cambodia as evidence (Some of this is in French) Obviously, Cambodia won therefore the maps were and are accepted as legal and correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 You mean this court ruling? The World Court ruled in 1962 that Preah Vihear itself belonged to Cambodia, although its main entrance lies in Thailand. The exact boundary through the surrounding grounds remains in dispute. The Thai-Cambodia border has never been fully demarcated, partly because it is littered with landmines left over from decades of war in Cambodia. http://au.news.yahoo...er-army-source/ or this one? The International Court of Justice awarded it to Cambodia in 1962 but the ruling did not determine the ownership of 1.8 square miles (4.6 sq km) of scrub next to the ruins, leaving considerable scope for disagreement. http://www.asiaone.c...204-261964.html or perhaps you meant this one? The International Court of Justice awarded it to Cambodia in 1962 but the ruling did not determine the ownership of the scrub next to the ruins, leaving considerable scope for disagreement. http://af.reuters.co...lBrandChannel=0 How about all of the above well then, it's good that you recognize now that they contradict your post. is legally Cambodian land as per court ruling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maseratimartin Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I hate this playing around....you want something then get it and finish... This political shit....shoot here and hopla a shot there....like kids... Common Thailand....go and take it over....Cambodia is a smal fish....most of the people there would be happy to be under thai flag.....most of them already work in Thailand. Do it right ....not this smal shit....like the women in a nail shop.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkawish Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) I understand entirely, what you are now saying is that after defeat, Cambodia would fight a war of terrorism, and it sounds like you would welcome it! You really should go and reside in another country and stop your bitterness towards Thailand, I guess you're pissed off about visa laws or something. I'm sick of people like you, especially Yanks, that enjoy the hospitality of this country but love to ridicule and criticise it all the time. "Settled by the ICJ", who cares, who are the ICJ in terms of this region? This land was taken from Siam by the French, take it back and no one will do a thing! I repeat, this would be over in days and the Chinese would have no interest at all, the Cambodians will moan like hell but who cares about Hun Sen, the Vietnamese are not so stupid to get involved in this. "Geographical high ground means Squat", explain please? Thailand would take quickly, how would Cambodia take back? Please check your maps, I know it's not something Us forces are keen on but it is really the deciding factor on this piece of land. You are so off base on so many points. Let me break it down for you. 1) "...after defeat". Typical Thai arrogance and feeling of superiority that has absolutely no basis other than simple, and usually stupid, arrogance. 2) "...Cambodia would fight a war of terrorism, and it sounds like you would welcome it!" I was stating an opinion, and made no reference one way or the other as to my approval or disapproval, but once again, your lack of comprehension in what you read is making itself clearly evident. 3) "You should really go reside in another country and stop your bitterness towards Thailand." Again, your comprehension sills, or lack thereof, are showing, as in my original post I clearly stated my love for this country and her people. 4) "I'm sick of people like you, especially Yanks, that enjoy the hospitality of this country but love to ridicule and criticise it all the time." I, like many others who live here, and who LOVE this country and her people, often criticize what we see, and know to be, issues of prejudice and discrimination of Thai towards dam_n near anyone who isn't Thai, the blatant corruption that permeates every part of this country from the lowest civil servant to the highest officials, a military that doesn't know it's job is to protect this country from OUTSIDERS, and to stay the hell out of politics. And we do so because we all know the POTENTIAL that this country has, but which it is wasting, and even throwing away through arrogance and ignorance. And yes, many of us are sick of people like YOU who believe Thai can do no wrong and are superior to everyone else. 5) "Who cares about the ICJ in this region?" Typical PAD and TPN thinking. When 2 or more countries agree to take a case before the ICJ, they ALSO agree to abide by the court's ruling, but also have 7 years to file an appeal if the decision goes against them. So, in simple terms, the Thai Government AGREED to let the ICJ settle the dispute, but when it went against them, instead of filing an appeal, as would have been normal procedure, they have continued to say "We don't accept it!", and act like a petulant child who can't have his way. 6) "This land was taken from Siam by the French." Wrong again. Originally the land belonged to the Khmer, and Siam took it from them! Much later Rama V, King Chulalongkorn, ceded the land to the French in a legally binding treaty, stating that it was better to lose a little land for the betterment of the whole country. From your comments I'm assuming that you are a PAD/TPN supporter and devotee, which makes me feel, not angry with you, but sorry for you and your disillusionment and lack of true history, or a grasp of reality. You really do need to put down that copy of "PAD FOR DUMMIES", and realize there are other channels on your television besides ASTV, which really stands for "Atrociously Slanted Televised Viewpoints". As I stated previously, no one in their right mind wants to see a war between Thailand & Cambodia, as it is the "common man/woman" on both sides who would be the losers. Innocent lives would be lost over the stupidity of governments who can't settle their differences like civilized people. But if it should happen, and the vaunted Thai military is unable to "crush" the Cambodians, as you believe, I hope your ego won't also crushed, although it probably will be. But, with typical "Thai-ness", you'll find something or someone else to blame it on, steadfastly refusing to believe that Thai could lose anything to their "inferior neighbors". But perhaps you can explain to me, and others, why Thailand has steadfastly refused to allow an independent, international body, or even ASEAN, help mediate a peaceful solution to this case? I'm no supporter of Hun Sen by any means, but he has offered, more than once, to let the UN, or other international bodies, help resolve it, and has also offered to allow ASEAN to help resolve it, but Thailand flatly refuses to do so? Why? Are they afraid that, once again, the ruling would go against them, and in favor of Cambodia, and the loss of "face" would be too much? Do they care more about the "loss of face" than the "loss of life"?? Appears so. This will be my last response to you, as I can't see wasting any more time on someone with your attitudes, and lacking any grasp of reality. My parting words are: "It's your fantasy, you tell it like you want." just1voice.... I am very interested in your post and explanation in reference to Thai and Camb/HuSan relationships or the lack of.... You appear to be mature enough for me to ask you some questions to follow up on what you expounded in your post: 1--Were you there at the frontier when the UN well was dug? 2--Were you there to erect numerous tents for Camb refugees to settle in? 3--Were you there to help ID and processing these refugees to get ready for an accepting third country? 4--Were you there, perhaps, in your own country, to help with the refugees resettlement into their new homes? 5--Were you there, working with the govt, relief society and local govt.... to help individual family to resettle? 6--Were you ever put yourself in the position to donate cash or others to help those poor Camb refugee family so they would have some food for their family members, while waiting for funds and food stamps from the govt? For your info, I was there.... in every instance.... and succinctly, there was not even an ounce of doubt in any of volunteers and salaried personnel who worked there 24 hrs/day and 7 days/week.... as to the fact that the UN well was dug on Thai territory and that the settlement camps were also enacted to accommodate the pitiful Camb refegees.... on Thai territory also.... I am very sure other than myself, there must be hundreds of others who still survive and could remember every practical detail in reference to those extremely harsh conditions facing the fleeing refugees and those who were there trying to lend a helping hand in whatever and whichever way they could.... You know what the worst of the worst was then.... it was not the war nor the collateral damages at all.... The worst of the worst for almost all of us was.... having to see and witness local human-trash who were in position of influence.... extorting everything they could from the refugees.... we ditched out severe physical punishment to deter their unlawful influences but then many resurfaced in another forms.... human greed knows no bound.... really.... Personally, I and several old timers are extremely curious as to why Thai PM Apisit and other Thai ministers are not willing to use all the available UN records as a starting point of explanation.... ? Why are they so unusually intimidated....? Or are they IN on the subdivision of Thailand territorial coming up in June, 2011.... by the JBC....? just1voice.... I see things different from your perspectives which does not mean that I am more correct than you.... alright? From my limited experiences in this area, I mostly agree with the yellows that: 1--Thailand should immediately null and void MOU43 2--Thailand should immediately withdraw from participation in JBC 3--Thailand, in view of Camb and HuSan audacity, should immediately deport those unlawful settlers from Thailand border but not the Camb citizen living in Thailand legally in other regions of Thailand.... Another pitiful misunderstanding on the part of Thai PM, deputies SuThep, PraVit, GaSit et al is.... all the aforementioned came out publicly asking on Thai TV news that.... if and when Thailand withdraws from JBC participation.... then there is no one to speak on Thailand behalf and Cambodia HuSan et al would say what they want and get what they want..... because no one would represent Thailand interests on the JBC.... It is such a poor excuse, and such an extremely misguided understanding of basic laws any where.... SINCE WHEN.... SOME NEIGHBORS OR COUNTRIES COULD GET TOGETHER AND VOTE TO CONFISCATE YOUR PROPERTY OR YOUR LAND, WITHOUT YOUR PARTICIPATION AND CONSENT....? They can meet all they want.... they can vote to their heart content.... but their decision will not be binding on you nor your chattel nor your real estate.... in any form.... I just suspect that there are too many dignitaries in the current Thai govt who get themselves secretly and heavily involved.... and someone is calling in their favors.... I didn't bleed for Agentina.... but I surely will definitely bleed for Thailand.... if these crowns stay their damning course to subdivide Thailand territorial.... A question has been burning in my old heart.... Just how could long stay Farang help Thailand....? :jap: Edited February 5, 2011 by mkawish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anyse Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I am so saddened that so little land can cause so much strife between these two countries. It is foolish at best and downright dangerous at its worst. When will they learn that the conditions set long ago leave this land as sort of neutral with free access to both Camodians as well as Thais. Being neutral, how do they handle those who come to this place to experience its beauty and wonderment? I want to go there to see it. I want to look over the hill into Cambodia. I want to walk up those many stone steps, in spite of my own disabilities, in order to take the path that many have taken for over 1600 years. Where is the perspective? Sad, sad, sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 What next? The government won't be able to handle it, Its different fighting with another country as opposed to slaughtering your own civilians, the army will come out and say the government don't know how to handle it, and then fast forward to the coup that we all know is coming based on the reds coming back into power at the next election, and a desire by the elite to stop that at all costs. Where did you get that crystal ball? add Mara releasing all heck >>> it's documented in the last paragraphs. here >>> http://www.nationmul...y-30147875.html He is a very confused poster. The elite's trying to stop the red shirts. What a laugh does he not know that the elites are where the red shirts get there money did he really think that it was gathered up in collections from the poor people they are supposed to represent.:jap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 Related topic: AFP: Tensions on Thai-Cambodia border - Timeline Follow this link: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) CH3 reporter on scene says clash began about 3pm and is still continuing at this moment. /via@terryfrd Reporters said gunfire sounded like both artillery as well as assault rifles. /RT @tulsathit: /RT @Neaw_NBC: CH 3 reporter says he can hear fighting very clearly w. artillery and smaller weapons being used. /via@terryfrd Hope that no international media reporters get in there as they might collect a Thai Army bullet. Send in Anderson Cooper! He and his boyz are mighty tough. Singlehandedly conquering Cairo right now. Edited February 5, 2011 by zydeco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 When the report says that shells landed on thai soil, did they land on Thai soil or just what thailand believes is Thai soil? random.... Per chance, were you old enough around 1980, to remember anything happening around Southeast Asia then....? I was just hoping that either you yourself, your father-mother, uncle-auntie, or your male-female friends were one of those stationed and serving here when the Cambodian refugees were fleeing by the ten thousands into Thailand.... until the international communities and agencies stepped in to render a helping hand to feed the fleeing Cambodian refugees.... Were you old enough then to remember anything? Or did you have a chance to find out for yourself, just which country did the refugees fleeing into.... to seek shelter and sanctuary back around 1980....? Or did you find out for yourself which country mercifully take those refugees in to protect and feed them.... for more than a decade....? If you really care to find out for yourself and for your own personal knowledge, so you won't be just repeating what others were saying.... if you have some time, you could help yourself by digesting just some of the followings.... But for those who really wish to know what is what.... need only to ask their fathers or mothers or uncles or aunts or friends who stationed and served around Southeast Asia around 1980.... just.... where or on which country soil, did we dug the well to feed the fleeing refugees and more importantly, on which country territory, did we build the encampment for the refugees....? Their answers ought to pretty much clarify which parcels of land belong to which countries and which country should really lay claim to the current so called--disputed area....? Back then in 1980, it was very clear that the UN and the International Red Cross and other relief agencies were cooperatively seeking permission from Thailand to build those facilities to accommodate the Camb refugees.... It was very clear to every country in the world that those parcels of land belong exclusively to Thailand.... Most importantly, the refugees themselves now settled affluently in the midwest agricultural regions in the US, Australia and Euro.... would also tell everyone who cares to listen.... that they; were fleeing into Thailand from Cambodia and surrounding regions...., living on Thailand good grace...., drinking from the UN well on Thai soil...., sleeping in tents erected on Thailand side.... and lastly, leaving for their new home.... from Thailand.... :jap: There was really not a doubt in 1980 then.... which country, Thailand or Cambodian, have the sovereign rights over those parcels of land.... What has embolden Cambodian and HuSen, or who have inspired the Camb and HuSen, in 2010, to dare to not only bite the hands that used to feed them with mercy.... but also to dare to lay claim over those parcels of land that used to provide them with security and comfort.... ? :jap: Those who used to give their own lives and served in this region.... just could not figure it out.... just what could have gone so very wrong.... around Southeast Asia.... at present.... Most perplexing is... why does the current Thai govt behave in such strange manners.... not saying anything or doing anything to protect its own interests and the interests of the Thai people.... but instead chimed in with the former refugees.... proclaiming that those parcels of land--perhaps belong to the refugees....! Isn't there any Thai who is old enough to remember those frightening days and times in recent history....? Or have they all gone overseas to study at Oxford.... Cheers random.... :jap: Just what are you on about now. Thailand is not saying that Cambodia owes them because they helped protect some of there citizens from a Tyrant that Thailand sheltered. We are talking about one piece of land that in all likely hood never had a refuge camp on it. You seem to have two things in your head a brain and a lot of bias please use the brain part when you post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 picked this up on BBC "The Cambodian government has called it an "invasion", while the Thai military said it was a misunderstanding." Sounds like the Thai's started it. No, It sounds like Cambodia is engaging in their usual rhetoric trying to inflame the situation, and Thailand is trying to be reasonable and figure out a way to keep things civil and peaceful. Trust me if Cambodia had started it Thailand would not say it was a misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 picked this up on BBC "The Cambodian government has called it an "invasion", while the Thai military said it was a misunderstanding." Sounds like the Thai's started it. Not only that but Cambodian border troops detained four Thai soldiers during the fighting(as per Nation report) which clearly indicates that Thai's did indeed cross the border and were on Cambodia soil and not other way around as Thailand claims They were in a disputed region. Either side could have captured the other's soldiers if they were in the mood and tactical position to do so. Your position does not follow from the data available. I follow your logic. But considering that the land in dispute is only "disputed region" in the eyes of Thailand but is legally Cambodian land as per court ruling, it would appear that Thai military did indeed cross onto Cambodian land and the account of events presented by Cambodian spokesman is more of a true statement of events. As I said earlier if Cambodia had started it Thailand would not be claiming it was a misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) As I said earlier if Cambodia had started it Thailand would not be claiming it was a misunderstanding. <snip> TVThai Cambodian press reported Cambodia admitted to firing first but situation escalated because of Thai troops' strong reaction /TAN_Network Edited February 5, 2011 by whybother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I understand entirely, what you are now saying is that after defeat, Cambodia would fight a war of terrorism, and it sounds like you would welcome it! You really should go and reside in another country and stop your bitterness towards Thailand, I guess you're pissed off about visa laws or something. I'm sick of people like you, especially Yanks, that enjoy the hospitality of this country but love to ridicule and criticise it all the time. "Settled by the ICJ", who cares, who are the ICJ in terms of this region? This land was taken from Siam by the French, take it back and no one will do a thing! I repeat, this would be over in days and the Chinese would have no interest at all, the Cambodians will moan like hell but who cares about Hun Sen, the Vietnamese are not so stupid to get involved in this. "Geographical high ground means Squat", explain please? Thailand would take quickly, how would Cambodia take back? Please check your maps, I know it's not something Us forces are keen on but it is really the deciding factor on this piece of land. You are so off base on so many points. Let me break it down for you. 1) "...after defeat". Typical Thai arrogance and feeling of superiority that has absolutely no basis other than simple, and usually stupid, arrogance. 2) "...Cambodia would fight a war of terrorism, and it sounds like you would welcome it!" I was stating an opinion, and made no reference one way or the other as to my approval or disapproval, but once again, your lack of comprehension in what you read is making itself clearly evident. 3) "You should really go reside in another country and stop your bitterness towards Thailand." Again, your comprehension sills, or lack thereof, are showing, as in my original post I clearly stated my love for this country and her people. 4) "I'm sick of people like you, especially Yanks, that enjoy the hospitality of this country but love to ridicule and criticise it all the time." I, like many others who live here, and who LOVE this country and her people, often criticize what we see, and know to be, issues of prejudice and discrimination of Thai towards dam_n near anyone who isn't Thai, the blatant corruption that permeates every part of this country from the lowest civil servant to the highest officials, a military that doesn't know it's job is to protect this country from OUTSIDERS, and to stay the hell out of politics. And we do so because we all know the POTENTIAL that this country has, but which it is wasting, and even throwing away through arrogance and ignorance. And yes, many of us are sick of people like YOU who believe Thai can do no wrong and are superior to everyone else. 5) "Who cares about the ICJ in this region?" Typical PAD and TPN thinking. When 2 or more countries agree to take a case before the ICJ, they ALSO agree to abide by the court's ruling, but also have 7 years to file an appeal if the decision goes against them. So, in simple terms, the Thai Government AGREED to let the ICJ settle the dispute, but when it went against them, instead of filing an appeal, as would have been normal procedure, they have continued to say "We don't accept it!", and act like a petulant child who can't have his way. 6) "This land was taken from Siam by the French." Wrong again. Originally the land belonged to the Khmer, and Siam took it from them! Much later Rama V, King Chulalongkorn, ceded the land to the French in a legally binding treaty, stating that it was better to lose a little land for the betterment of the whole country. From your comments I'm assuming that you are a PAD/TPN supporter and devotee, which makes me feel, not angry with you, but sorry for you and your disillusionment and lack of true history, or a grasp of reality. You really do need to put down that copy of "PAD FOR DUMMIES", and realize there are other channels on your television besides ASTV, which really stands for "Atrociously Slanted Televised Viewpoints". As I stated previously, no one in their right mind wants to see a war between Thailand & Cambodia, as it is the "common man/woman" on both sides who would be the losers. Innocent lives would be lost over the stupidity of governments who can't settle their differences like civilized people. But if it should happen, and the vaunted Thai military is unable to "crush" the Cambodians, as you believe, I hope your ego won't also crushed, although it probably will be. But, with typical "Thai-ness", you'll find something or someone else to blame it on, steadfastly refusing to believe that Thai could lose anything to their "inferior neighbors". But perhaps you can explain to me, and others, why Thailand has steadfastly refused to allow an independent, international body, or even ASEAN, help mediate a peaceful solution to this case? I'm no supporter of Hun Sen by any means, but he has offered, more than once, to let the UN, or other international bodies, help resolve it, and has also offered to allow ASEAN to help resolve it, but Thailand flatly refuses to do so? Why? Are they afraid that, once again, the ruling would go against them, and in favor of Cambodia, and the loss of "face" would be too much? Do they care more about the "loss of face" than the "loss of life"?? Appears so. This will be my last response to you, as I can't see wasting any more time on someone with your attitudes, and lacking any grasp of reality. My parting words are: "It's your fantasy, you tell it like you want." just1voice.... I am very interested in your post and explanation in reference to Thai and Camb/HuSan relationships or the lack of.... You appear to be mature enough for me to ask you some questions to follow up on what you expounded in your post: 1--Were you there at the frontier when the UN well was dug? 2--Were you there to erect numerous tents for Camb refugees to settle in? 3--Were you there to help ID and processing these refugees to get ready for an accepting third country? 4--Were you there, perhaps, in your own country, to help with the refugees resettlement into their new homes? 5--Were you there, working with the govt, relief society and local govt.... to help individual family to resettle? 6--Were you ever put yourself in the position to donate cash or others to help those poor Camb refugee family so they would have some food for their family members, while waiting for funds and food stamps from the govt? For your info, I was there.... in every instance.... and succinctly, there was not even an ounce of doubt in any of volunteers and salaried personnel who worked there 24 hrs/day and 7 days/week.... as to the fact that the UN well was dug on Thai territory and that the settlement camps were also enacted to accommodate the pitiful Camb refegees.... on Thai territory also.... I am very sure other than myself, there must be hundreds of others who still survive and could remember every practical detail in reference to those extremely harsh conditions facing the fleeing refugees and those who were there trying to lend a helping hand in whatever and whichever way they could.... You know what the worst of the worst was then.... it was not the war nor the collateral damages at all.... The worst of the worst for almost all of us was.... having to see and witness local human-trash who were in position of influence.... extorting everything they could from the refugees.... we ditched out severe physical punishment to deter their unlawful influences but then many resurfaced in another forms.... human greed knows no bound.... really.... Personally, I and several old timers are extremely curious as to why Thai PM Apisit and other Thai ministers are not willing to use all the available UN records as a starting point of explanation.... ? Why are they so unusually intimidated....? Or are they IN on the subdivision of Thailand territorial coming up in June, 2011.... by the JBC....? just1voice.... I see things different from your perspectives which does not mean that I am more correct than you.... alright? From my limited experiences in this area, I mostly agree with the yellows that: 1--Thailand should immediately null and void MOU43 2--Thailand should immediately withdraw from participation in JBC 3--Thailand, in view of Camb and HuSan audacity, should immediately deport those unlawful settlers from Thailand border but not the Camb citizen living in Thailand legally in other regions of Thailand.... Another pitiful misunderstanding on the part of Thai PM, deputies SuThep, PraVit, GaSit et al is.... all the aforementioned came out publicly asking on Thai TV news that.... if and when Thailand withdraws from JBC participation.... then there is no one to speak on Thailand behalf and Cambodia HuSan et al would say what they want and get what they want..... because no one would represent Thailand interests on the JBC.... It is such a poor excuse, and such an extremely misguided understanding of basic laws any where.... SINCE WHEN.... SOME NEIGHBORS OR COUNTRIES COULD GET TOGETHER AND VOTE TO CONFISCATE YOUR PROPERTY OR YOUR LAND, WITHOUT YOUR PARTICIPATION AND CONSENT....? They can meet all they want.... they can vote to their heart content.... but their decision will not be binding on you nor your chattel nor your real estate.... in any form.... I just suspect that there are too many dignitaries in the current Thai govt who get themselves secretly and heavily involved.... and someone is calling in their favors.... I didn't bleed for Agentina.... but I surely will definitely bleed for Thailand.... if these crowns stay their damning course to subdivide Thailand territorial.... A question has been burning in my old heart.... Just how could long stay Farang help Thailand....? :jap: Why do you keep evading the question of today. Your history lesson is tainted with your bias towards non Thai's The question today is why is Thailand trying to claim a useless piece of land that the whole world knows legally belongs to Cambodia. By your very avoidance of the issue you show that you know Cambodia owns the land.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Barry will be interested in this. A chap turned up at the station last night to put a red flashing light on top of the mast, that is slightly worrying for our location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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