whybother Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Commercial ships for your information, do not get an escort at their convenience. The naval taskforce is patrolling a stretch of sea in the gulf of aAden heavily infested with pirates and established a so called 'safe corridor' through which cargo ship's are requested to transit. Pirates have in the past on rare ocassions also hijacked ships from inside this corridor. The Japanese navy provides an escort in the sense that they transit the gulf of Aden at pre-scheduled dates/times and it is the cargo ship Captain's responsibility to arrive on time at the scheduled area and join them (they will not wait for your ship and provide individual escort). There has also sprung up, a huge business of providing armed/unarmed security gaurds provided by ex-soilders, marines, mercenaries etc operating mainly out of UK, USA etc. The teams will board your yacht/ship off Fiji, Mauritius, Sri Lanka, Djibouti etc and provide escort upto Suez canal. Most commercial shipping use these security teams. All the way from Fiji? I wonder how many ships sail out of Fiji through the Suez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickcyclist Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 It's the national drink, Advocaat, that makes them like that-made from distilled lawyers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJW Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 They should be escorted to a mental asylum and their boat sinked But most important their daughter should be given to foster care. Is there any law to protect kids from insane parents ? What happened to your kids, Jurgen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Dutch have royals too, don't they? how about doing it the old fashioned way: mount a few cannon, load them with grapeshot and at the blighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saakura Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Commercial ships for your information, do not get an escort at their convenience. The naval taskforce is patrolling a stretch of sea in the gulf of aAden heavily infested with pirates and established a so called 'safe corridor' through which cargo ship's are requested to transit. Pirates have in the past on rare ocassions also hijacked ships from inside this corridor. The Japanese navy provides an escort in the sense that they transit the gulf of Aden at pre-scheduled dates/times and it is the cargo ship Captain's responsibility to arrive on time at the scheduled area and join them (they will not wait for your ship and provide individual escort). There has also sprung up, a huge business of providing armed/unarmed security gaurds provided by ex-soilders, marines, mercenaries etc operating mainly out of UK, USA etc. The teams will board your yacht/ship off Fiji, Mauritius, Sri Lanka, Djibouti etc and provide escort upto Suez canal. Most commercial shipping use these security teams. All the way from Fiji? I wonder how many ships sail out of Fiji through the Suez. Sorry, got mixed up. Should have said Seychelles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerpentSea Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 If they were planning this trip and route for several months, then perhaps they should have left earlier and taken the longer but perhaps safer way back home. Simply ridiculous that anyone would demand (or even ASK) for a military escort for unnecessary travel. As for their 2 year old daughter joining the journey, to me as a parent, it is unthinkable to put a child knowingly in harms way. Simply amazing! The navys of various nation are already in that area protecting this sea route. What is wrong if a convoy of private yachts asking to be guarded too, same as commercial ships who are choosing this route for a better profit margin get their escort. I didn't know there was a convoy involved. I got the impression that these idiots were asking for a warship just for themselves. If there is a convoy, with perhaps 20 or so private yachts, maybe my opinion would be different. However, you're comparing the navies of many nations working together to protect the whole shipping industry in that area of the world, which in turn means protecting many people's livelihoods, which in turn means getting products (sometimes necessary for one's health) shipped to where they're needed. So, I really can't compare a couple of wackos who defiantly and unnecessarily decide they want to take the shorter and more dangerous route home and insist that a massive amount of money be spent on them to make their decadent little adventure safer and more convenient. No way!!! These people have completely lost touch with reality, IMHO. The shipping industry and the transport in that area isn't motivated by some altruistic concept to help someone in need for certain products nor totally necessary for someones health - its simply about profit that can be made. are they more important because their ships are bigger or because they are loaded with some canned pineapples that can be bought cheap at your supermarket? You could buy canned sauerkraut instead and support other peoples livelihoods instead. And you see with the knowledge about the existence of a convoy your opinion would be different, that small article is lacking more background information and proper wording or explanation like what the 'demands' actually have been. Not enough to start a rant about their "decadent little adventure". The journey is the destination, they want travel this route surely for various reasons, the cheapest way home is probably not on top of that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) Do some of you really not understand that keeping shipping channels open is important to the economy? The navies are not out there to help fat-cat freight owners to get richer, they are there to help protect the interests of their nation. Closed shipping channels is bad for business, if business is hurt, the economy is hurt. The individual ships out there are not getting their own private escorts. The warships in the region are patrolling the area in the hope of deterring, and with luck, catching some of the pirates. These bloody great cargo ships containing god knows how much value in goods don't get their own escort but this couple want one for their jolly little jaunt. They're not in touch with reality. Edited February 7, 2011 by Moonrakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrobert Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 The Thai Navy has an Escort Service ??? Whoa, I love a woman in uniform! dam_n the torpedos! Ramming speed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiSuk Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Even funnier,48 years old and has a 2 y.o.-so you know their mind isn't right! Odd viewpoint? {I would say that being sound of mind and body, 59 with a one year old}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 The Thai Navy has an Escort Service ??? Whoa, I love a woman in uniform! dam_n the torpedos! Ramming speed! 55 Like sailors with their torpedos do you Robert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrobert Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 The Thai Navy has an Escort Service ??? Whoa, I love a woman in uniform! dam_n the torpedos! Ramming speed! 55 Like sailors with their torpedos do you Robert? Sailorettes! (Notice the single-syllable word "woman"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harleyclarkey Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 They should be escorted to a mental asylum and their boat sinked But most important their daughter should be given to foster care. Is there any law to protect kids from insane parents ? Very good Jurgen....a very suitable suggestion! They are clearly nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harleyclarkey Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Even funnier,48 years old and has a 2 y.o.-so you know their mind isn't right! Can you explain this a bit further?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Being Dutch they should just use their stash of skunk and bong their way across the waters. Mellow as piss. " Darling. There appears to be a boat full of heavily armed Somalian pirates ordering us to heave to." " Whatever. Puff puff give remember? Don't Bogart that joint." That we Dutchies don't criminalize marihuana in our own country doesn't mean we carry it all over the world. In fact, in my experience we are not by far heavy users compared to a whole lot of other nationalities. Probably because we don't criminalize and simply grow up with marihuana just like most of the world does with alcohol. Now if only the rest of the world would cooperate instead of only maintaining that high income for criminals. This couple's demand is however quite ridiculous. Ok if they do have the right they claim to have then of course they should use it. But still, it's their decision to make this journey so they should simply accept the risks involved. The alternatives are to either have the ship itself shipped back to Holland on a freighter or sell it here and in both cases just fly back home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suradit Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) I love it when people "DEMAND" People with a little extra spare change in their pockets seem to feel that everyone else should cater to their individual needs. So in a thread about visas we have the equally lame insistence that Thai Immigrations should adjust their rules and regulations to suit every exception that pops up. And, of course, if Thai Immigrations (or in this case the Thai Navy) don't jump when they snap their fingers, they must be "retarded." second: you do understand that there are people like myself who are under 50, have money, do not need to work (especially in thailand), are not married nor have a child with a thai? ... i guess i could study thai too but i am too lazysure, there are people who might be working on tourist visas and they should not be allowed to do so but to reject anyone from getting another visa only because they have 3 existing stickers is just plain retarded thai style decision making without thinking Arrogance abounds, even if not aboard a yacht. Edited February 7, 2011 by Suradit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPI Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I love it when people "DEMAND" Funny thing is they will eventually get an escort, from the Euro's, definitely not the RTN. Well they are Dutch after all! From people of no other country on earth would such a request be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTGTR Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Even funnier,48 years old and has a 2 y.o.-so you know their mind isn't right! Odd viewpoint? {I would say that being sound of mind and body, 59 with a one year old}. Way off topic I know but get real! So when your child reaches 10,you'll be grandparent age.Wonderful.If you're here at 69 that is.Growing up would be difficult with 1 parent I suppose.Not an odd viewpoint at all,just responsible.So your child will have a parent and grandparent to raise him/her-wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notime Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Dutch or no Dutch but they seem to be very clever people to me. Few phone calls and they are getting all this publicity already. Just imagine what happens when they get kidnapped by the pirates. The little girl is very photogenic, so they are themselves. Plus they are capable of taking some good pictures, documenting their trippo and getting themselves into trouble. It looks to me either like recipe for a good business plan or destiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) second: you do understand that there are people like myself who are under 50, have money, do not need to work (especially in thailand), are not married nor have a child with a thai? ... i guess i could study thai too but i am too lazysure, there are people who might be working on tourist visas and they should not be allowed to do so but to reject anyone from getting another visa only because they have 3 existing stickers is just plain retarded thai style decision making without thinking Arrogance abounds, even if not aboard a yacht. Ow come on! This is true for so many farangs in Thailand so just stop whining. I have to work for my money here and you don't hear me complaining. But if you have some savings you can last pretty long in this cheap country. Quite a lot of foreigners work in the summer period in Europe or America and spend the other 6 to 8 months of the year in Thailand. They are financially totally independent so don't have to work but they don't qualify for a non-immigrant visa which is... well... stupid to say the least. But ok, tourist visa it is but now they start acting like this! All this does is piss more and more people off and finally it's going to cost this country a hell lot of money. Edited February 7, 2011 by AgentSmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) Dutch and German women do not age well. Their sell by date is easily 30-33. Mentioning the words Dutch and German in the same sentence really is not done! Don't know where you are from but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Edited February 7, 2011 by AgentSmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhelmus01 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I just read the Dutch newspaper about this and there they told a completely different story. He is not asking for protection from the thais, but he asked protection from a UK navy warship or any other warship patrolling in the Gulf region and not for him alone but he has already 17 other nationalities. He is organising a convoy and he is trying to get 30 ships together to make their case stronger to get protection. They are making a living with his boat by taking other people on his boat who wanted to sail and pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 OK, really makes me want to vomit that the well off can sail around the world, have fun and then expect the tax payer or the government of another country to take care of them with no expense to them selves. The planet, even me knows where NOT to sail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) I just read the Dutch newspaper about this and there they told a completely different story. He is not asking for protection from the thais, but he asked protection from a UK navy warship or any other warship patrolling in the Gulf region and not for him alone but he has already 17 other nationalities. He is organising a convoy and he is trying to get 30 ships together to make their case stronger to get protection. They are making a living with his boat by taking other people on his boat who wanted to sail and pay for it. A sailing website says it is a convoy as well. Sounds a bit to me as though they are changing their story. the direct quotes from the MoD spokesman seemed to refer to the couple only. But, even if it is 30 yachts, 100 yachts even, they are still there by choice. Protecting commercial shipping in the region is a very important matter for nations across the world yet these people want resources to be diverted to their little trip. Commercial shipping really has no choice, these people do. Edited February 7, 2011 by Moonrakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolminthemiddle Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) Even funnier,48 years old and has a 2 y.o.-so you know their mind isn't right! Odd viewpoint? {I would say that being sound of mind and body, 59 with a one year old}. Way off topic I know but get real! So when your child reaches 10,you'll be grandparent age.Wonderful.If you're here at 69 that is.Growing up would be difficult with 1 parent I suppose.Not an odd viewpoint at all,just responsible.So your child will have a parent and grandparent to raise him/her-wonderful. And what LTGR, gives you the right to judge? Edited February 7, 2011 by malcolminthemiddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKASA Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Even funnier,48 years old and has a 2 y.o.-so you know their mind isn't right! Odd viewpoint? {I would say that being sound of mind and body, 59 with a one year old}. You'll be out of your mind by the time they are 18 - don't matter what age you start at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim armstrong Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Sounds very arrogant. But the law of the sea is different, and maybe they are trying to see it enacted. Are there any sailors on tv who know about this stuff ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerpentSea Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I just read the Dutch newspaper about this and there they told a completely different story. He is not asking for protection from the thais, but he asked protection from a UK navy warship or any other warship patrolling in the Gulf region and not for him alone but he has already 17 other nationalities. He is organising a convoy and he is trying to get 30 ships together to make their case stronger to get protection. They are making a living with his boat by taking other people on his boat who wanted to sail and pay for it. A sailing website says it is a convoy as well. Sounds a bit to me as though they are changing their story. the direct quotes from the MoD spokesman seemed to refer to the couple only. But, even if it is 30 yachts, 100 yachts even, they are still there by choice. Protecting commercial shipping in the region is a very important matter for nations across the world yet these people want resources to be diverted to their little trip. Commercial shipping really has no choice, these people do. Why commercial ships have no choice? Unlike sailing boats they don't depend on seasonal weather and wind conditions. But its for 'the nation' you say? Its because you want your canned pineapples still to be cheap instead of have to take canned sauerkraut instead, right? That is what you can afford after tax and beer. Very important. And even before tax and beer you could not afford to sail a bit. That is unimportant and for decadent wackos only, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerpentSea Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 OK, really makes me want to vomit that the well off can sail around the world, have fun and then expect the tax payer or the government of another country to take care of them with no expense to them selves. The planet, even me knows where NOT to sail. Small minded people with their bitching about the so called rich and that is my tax money for my nation arguments make me vomit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) I just read the Dutch newspaper about this and there they told a completely different story. He is not asking for protection from the thais, but he asked protection from a UK navy warship or any other warship patrolling in the Gulf region and not for him alone but he has already 17 other nationalities. He is organising a convoy and he is trying to get 30 ships together to make their case stronger to get protection. They are making a living with his boat by taking other people on his boat who wanted to sail and pay for it. A sailing website says it is a convoy as well. Sounds a bit to me as though they are changing their story. the direct quotes from the MoD spokesman seemed to refer to the couple only. But, even if it is 30 yachts, 100 yachts even, they are still there by choice. Protecting commercial shipping in the region is a very important matter for nations across the world yet these people want resources to be diverted to their little trip. Commercial shipping really has no choice, these people do. Why commercial ships have no choice? Unlike sailing boats they don't depend on seasonal weather and wind conditions. But its for 'the nation' you say? Its because you want your canned pineapples still to be cheap instead of have to take canned sauerkraut instead, right? That is what you can afford after tax and beer. Very important. And even before tax and beer you could not afford to sail a bit. That is unimportant and for decadent wackos only, right? Simple economics. If those shipping lanes are closed then alternate routes are needed. The alternate routes will take longer and more fuel will be needed, fuel is expensive. Costs across the board increase and the rise in commodities rocket, this would include essential commodities like oil. Food is also essential, of course, and as the food prices also increase so the economy is hurt. People spend more on food and have less disposable income which in turn means that people spend less money. Many nations are not self-sufficient and rely on imports from other countries. Even if they are self sufficient then their exports can be hurt. The oil is quite an easy example. During the US hurricane season shipping lanes are closed which causes an increase in the price of oil. A sustained price hike in oil could, of course, be crippling to economies. It's all down to so much more than pineapples and sauerkraut. The international shipping lanes are extremely important to the way the world economy ticks. It's quite simple to understand if you make the effort, or perhaps you are just being belligerent. Anyway. If these people do their silly little trip in their little boats, they will already have the same protection as all other vessels in the region. What they are asking for is for more protection than those who are operating a major commercial artery. Why do these people on their little pleasure trip deserve more protection than those who are doing their job? Edited February 7, 2011 by Moonrakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N3M3S1S Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Definite over the top arrogance! Many options for them, this is NOT one of them. 'How do you make a Dutchman? Take a German, take out all the intelligence and leave in all the arrogance'. Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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