cme Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Being Dutch they should just use their stash of skunk and bong their way across the waters. Mellow as piss. " Darling. There appears to be a boat full of heavily armed Somalian pirates ordering us to heave to." " Whatever. Puff puff give remember? Don't Bogart that joint." Wonderful, you made me chuckle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kutjebu Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 The Dutch have done so much for Thailand and this world.Let they do something back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze01 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 What part of this statement sounds like a demand: "We have been begging for help for months, because we knew we would have to make this journey. But now they have told us there is nothing they can do. It’s like asking for help from the police, and being told you are not eligible." More BS journalistic license or the Thai Navy spokesman trying to save face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdamdude Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 i'm Dutch, but now I feel ashemed by this ignorant fellow Dutchman(ica's) demanding an escort in the first place how did they get there anyway? if they come from the other side go back the same way you came or take the long save way home!!!! second the pirates sceme is going on for a couple of years now where have they bin lately? can't they find out where and when the protection vessals escort other ships and just mingle in and then go with the flow until they reach save waters ? i'm more scared for the Dutch young girl who is sailing on here one around the world, but maybe she has prepaird her journey around those hostile pirates They wanted to go on a adventure ? so this is it go to your ordial in life, its a pitty they took their little kid along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaowong1 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Might be time for Somali Cruises to expand their operations... They are pretty highly recommended by their clients... Testimonials"I got three confirmed kills on my last trip. I'll never hunt big game in Africa again. I felt like the Komandant in Schindlers list!" -- Lars , Hamburg Germany "Six attacks in 4 days was more than I expected. I bagged three pirates and my 12yr old son sank two rowboats with the minigun. PIRATES: 0 - PASSENGERS: 32! Well worth the trip. Just make sure your spotter speaks English" -- Donald, Salt Lake city Utah USA "I haven't had this much fun since flying choppers in NAM . Don't worry about getting shot by pirates as they never even got close to the ship with those weapons they use and their shitty aim--reminds me of a drunken'juicer' door gunner we picked up from the motor pool back in Nam" -- 'chopper' Dan, Toledo USA. "Like ducks in a barrel. They turned the ship around and we saw them cry in the water like little girls. Saw one wounded pirate eaten by sharks--what a laugh riot! This is a must do." -- Zeke, Springs Kentucky USA Funny, really funny. thanks for the laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKK Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 They should be charged with "Child Endangerment" if they take their daughter with them. Do what they like with their own lives but not with a child's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableguy Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Not sure the Thai navy are involved at all - indeed no involvement from Thailand apart from it being their port of departure. Royal Navy in this case will be the British Navy since it is aq quote from a UK newspaper. Just who do these sailers think they are ? they need a dose of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableguy Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 OK, really makes me want to vomit that the well off can sail around the world, have fun and then expect the tax payer or the government of another country to take care of them with no expense to them selves. The planet, even me knows where NOT to sail. Small minded people with their bitching about the so called rich and that is my tax money for my nation arguments make me vomit. How many people in Thailand pay tax in their country of origin, and you can include Thais in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 OK, really makes me want to vomit that the well off can sail around the world, have fun and then expect the tax payer or the government of another country to take care of them with no expense to them selves. The planet, even me knows where NOT to sail. Small minded people with their bitching about the so called rich and that is my tax money for my nation arguments make me vomit. So the UK says yes we will escort you but you must pay the cost for being such a <deleted> as to sail those waters. WILL they pay or go it alone ? YES, they will go it alone, THEIR money more important, tax payers not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philhal2 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 This world really has some Dumb Asses in it . When did it become acceptable for individuals to think they can demand NAVAL Esorts ???? The sooner a few of these SOLO sailing clowns are refused rescues when they do something DUMB the better . If you want SECURITY hire and pay for it . Dont ask others to foot the bill . OR DO YOU ACTALLY THINK ITS FREE ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallmeScooter Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Seriously, if any of you owns expensive yacht and have no choice but to use those waters, wouldn't you at least try asking for help? No harm asking...Just because someone put word "demand" in title of this thread it doesn't really mean they were demanding but merely asking. God forbid something happens to these people and their 2 year old child... No choice? They have choices, they have always had more options to choose from than most. The only person who doesn't have a choice is the toddler, and she is being leveraged by those who do - into saving money. I hope some welfare agency intervenes when (if) they get back to Holland, and tries to find a home with some sane people for that poor child. This. Commercial ships for your information, do not get an escort at their convenience. The naval taskforce is patrolling a stretch of sea in the gulf of aAden heavily infested with pirates and established a so called 'safe corridor' through which cargo ship's are requested to transit. Pirates have in the past on rare ocassions also hijacked ships from inside this corridor. The Japanese navy provides an escort in the sense that they transit the gulf of Aden at pre-scheduled dates/times and it is the cargo ship Captain's responsibility to arrive on time at the scheduled area and join them (they will not wait for your ship and provide individual escort). There has also sprung up, a huge business of providing armed/unarmed security gaurds provided by ex-soilders, marines, mercenaries etc operating mainly out of UK, USA etc. The teams will board your yacht/ship off Fiji, Mauritius, Sri Lanka, Djibouti etc and provide escort upto Suez canal. Most commercial shipping use these security teams. All commercial shipping vessels (flying the flags of tax havens) should be forced to use these teams. There should also be strict laws against negotiations with hostage-takers. What hasn't been mentioned yet is that the entire pirate 'problem' was a pure creation of selfish, short-sighted, idiotic shipping companies - who paid the pirates token amounts to get their cargo back (they didn't care about the Filipino or Indian sailors on board, and that's a provable fact). Somali piracy began when shipping companies started dumping toxic waste off the coast of Somalia, in pure exploitation of Somalia's lawlessness. Poor fishermen who's lives were ruined by that practice, banded together to fight back. The wealthy shipping magnates paid the ransom demands to get their lucrative vessels and cargo back, and it doesn't take a game theory analyst to predict how things would play out from there.... The Thai Navy has an Escort Service ??? Whoa, I love a woman in uniform! dam_n the torpedos! Ramming speed! 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta22 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 hello , ta22 here " is this the First army Brigade " can you send some of your Tank to my house a Tree is blocking my satellite and i can't get some of the channel , maybe you can use the tank to blow the helll out of the tree that is blocking the dish . " or maybe you can contact the thaicom or asiasat to move their satellite a little . " do it soon ok .. cos i a missing my daily drama . " Thanks . P.s If you are so kind please ask your guys to take out the trash after there blow the tree away . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Navy turns down request for pirate protection Flotilla leader warns that 'something bad is going to happen' The Royal Navy has turned down a request from a yacht flotilla for an escort across the pirate-infested waters of the Indian Ocean. Rene and Edith Tiemessen, a Dutch couple sailing with their two-year-old daughter on a 60ft yacht, Alondra, have organised a 30-yacht convoy from Thailand to Turkey and asked the Navy for protection over four days of the journey. But the Royal Navy, which heads the EU anti-piracy task force (Operation Atlanta), has told them that it does not have the resources. Mr Tiemessen said: 'We have been begging for help for months, because we knew we would have to make this journey to get home, which is the same for all the other sailors stranded here. "Something bad is going to happen. The families on these boats are starting to panic and go off in different directions. With the dramatic increase in pirate activity in the Indian Ocean I cannot believe that all 100 yachts can get through unscathed." The Ministry of Defence responded: "This is a totally unrealistic request. The naval vessels of Operation Atlanta have to prioritise their duties and protecting merchant vessels leaves them with little scope for protecting unnecessary sailing." Continues: http://www.yachtingmonthly.com/news/515868/navy-turns-down-request-for-pirate-protection Yachting Monthly - Feb. 12, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Britain’s Royal Navy has rejected a request by a cruising couple to give a convoy of around 30 yachts escort to the start of the Gulf of Aden, Salalah. Dutch cruising sailors Rene and Edith Tiemessen, who previously sailed with kidnapped sailors Paul and Rachel Chandler, have organised a rally/convoy from Thailand to Turkey and appealed for help from the British Navy several months ago. Last night a Ministry of Defence source said: "We received communication from this couple, demanding protection from a naval warship, which they want to escort them through a stretch that could take two or three weeks to navigate. This is a totally unrealistic request. The naval vessels of Operation Atalanta have to prioritise their duties, and protecting merchant vessels leave them with little scope for protecting unnecessary sailing.” Speaking via satellite phone last night, Rene, 48, said: “We have been begging for help for months, because we knew we would have to make this journey. But now they have told us there is nothing they can do. It’s like asking for help from the police, and being told you are not eligible.” Rene and Edith, 41, sailed with the Chandlers, from Kent, two years ago. The British couple were released last year after 388 days in captivity following the reported payment of a GBP625,000 ransom. Continues: http://en.nauticwebnews.com/605/navy-turns-down-request-for-pirate-protection/ Nautic News Web - Feb. 12, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Since I'm one of them, please excuse me when I say 'bloody Dutch'. Mind you quiet a few countries have these 'free spirits' who have time and means to wander about and expect others to safeguard their 'right' to do so. Well hallelujah, better start praying and may the Lord protect you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denissr Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Just what obligation has the Thai Navy to escort a Dutch couple through international waters ? Maybe they should try DEMANDING an escort from the Dutch navy ? Like the English couple they have been warned so it is up to them if they choose to risk it. It is about who you believe. The couple said they have been begging for help? The Thai Navy said that they demanded help? If there is a real threat, what are their options? It seems to me that someone is responsible for making the sea's safe, but who? waiting for answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 If there is a real threat, what are their options? Errrrrr.... To not sail there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Rene and Edith, 41, sailed with the Chandlers, from Kent, two years ago. The British couple were released last year after 388 days in captivity following the reported payment of a GBP625,000 ransom. So, after traveling together with the Chandlers and being fully aware of what happened to them.... they still wish to imperil little Devi to possibly meet with the same fate? I wish little Devi all the luck in the world onboard the Alondra against the potential Somali pirates she may face: Devi Tiemessen (born in Phuket, Thailand) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 (edited) Just what obligation has the Thai Navy to escort a Dutch couple through international waters ? Maybe they should try DEMANDING an escort from the Dutch navy ? Like the English couple they have been warned so it is up to them if they choose to risk it. It is about who you believe. The couple said they have been begging for help? The Thai Navy said that they demanded help? If there is a real threat, what are their options? It seems to me that someone is responsible for making the sea's safe, but who? waiting for answers. As per Post # 104: the above post should read, The British Defence Ministry said that they demanded help... . Edited February 13, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallmeScooter Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 It is about who you believe. The couple said they have been begging for help? The Thai British Navy said that they demanded help? If there is a real threat, what are their options? It seems to me that someone is responsible for making the sea's safe, but who? waiting for answers. Believe? What are you talking about? Everything is crystal clear and abundantly evident. Rich people often beg. It's a fairly important variable when it comes to retaining wealth; especially when you don't work and instead spend a lot. Say - for example - if you sailed around the world for years and years. The British Navy quite accurately pegged the attempted leveraging of a public media campaign (involving the exploitation of a toddler's safety) as a demand. In any case, the 'request' is so ludicrous, it automatically qualifies as a demand. How can I explain this...say, if you were a 4'8" petite girl, and a 6'2" ruffian with visible knife and bottle scars accosted you in a carpark...and really politely said, "Excuse me Ma'am, but I am going to require your handbag. I will need it now, yes. Much obliged, and I'm truly sorry for the inconvenience." - Request? Or something more like a Demand? If there is a real threat? Err, what Moonrakers said. Probably the wealthy people who primarily use it (and who rarely pay for the privilege). As opposed to the non-wealthy people who rarely use it (but who largely pay for the safety of those who do). I suspect you're a man who often requires answers to fairly simple questions. But I'm pretty bored most of the time, so feel free to ask away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 If there is a real threat, what are their options? Errrrrr.... To not sail there! +1 But that is for those with half a brain to '' take on board '' eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 I noticed the Tiemessen's have shut down their personal website. They had been receiving more than a fair amount of negative replies to their exploits, which no doubt contributed to their decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark45y Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Just what obligation has the Thai Navy to escort a Dutch couple through international waters ? Maybe they should try DEMANDING an escort from the Dutch navy ? Like the English couple they have been warned so it is up to them if they choose to risk it. It is about who you believe. The couple said they have been begging for help? The Thai Navy said that they demanded help? If there is a real threat, what are their options? It seems to me that someone is responsible for making the sea's safe, but who? waiting for answers. Who is supposed to protect the sea? Marine law. The country whose flag your ship is registered under has the responsibility to protect it. I think but I am not sure. The citizenship of the crew and captain? I don't know. When the US Marines fought piracy they only did so when the pirates captured American ships and held their crews for ransom. When the British Navy was kidnapping Americans in the 1800's at sea the Americans went to war over the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 When the British Navy was kidnapping Americans in the 1800's at sea the Americans went to war over the problem. Aren't you a little off topic ? I suppose you're speaking of the Impressment of around 10.000 US citizens forced into the British navy? The US in 1800 represented less than 1/3 of the present US and France and Spain were still holding substantial parts of America, in Louisiana, New Orleans, Mississippi. Much of the central plains and west of the present US still had to be uncovered and explored. Even larger parts of Louisiana weren't explored yet. The population of the US was a mere 5 million people. But, this was also the time of France and Britain, being at war because of the French revolution and during that period France seized some 500 US ships whilst the UK seized about 1.000 US ships because the US were caught in the middle, trading with Europe and countries in the Mediterranean, like Turkey/Ottoman empire. Back to piracy: pirates from northern Africa -Morocco, Algiers, Tripoli- were already pirating and seizing many ships for hundreds of years and European nations (including the then still British America) paid tribute money so they would't be attacked. The -independent- US later also paid tribute/protection money to the Pasha of Tripoli: 1 million dollars (would be some 20 million dollars now). President Jefferson refused to pay the extra demanded $ 225.000 and war was declared by the Pasha But I'm sure there's much on this subject in American history books (Barbary wars); one of the very first wars by the US on foreign soil and quite close to Egypt as a matter of fact. Nowadays, the situation is a bit different. Back on topic: I'm very curious what happens next with the fleet of some 30 private yachts who will end up in Oman, probably Salalah*. I suppose the flotilla is sailing north, along the coast of India and crossing from there to Oman. * http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=nl&geocode=&q=Salalah,+Al+Janubiyah,+Oman&aq=0&sll=18.698285,55.777588&sspn=6.064276,11.45874&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Salalah,+Al+Janubiyah,+Oman&ll=17.560247,59.282227&spn=24.258391,45.834961&z=5 Although I'm not an ocean sailor I assume the next part from Oman onto the Suez canal is the most dangerous and staying very close to shore is the best option but I have no idea about the navy and protection possibilities by Oman, Yemen and Saudi Arabia. I wonder (asked that before) how the many (mega) yachts from the Sheiks of the UAE, Kuwait and Saudis travel to and from the Mediterranean....? Surely, those yachts will be protected by the http://en.wikipedia....b_Emirates_Navy Maybe a phone call from the flotilla to one of the Sheiks and follow those since those yachts will be ready now in about 1-2 months ready to party in the Mediterranean for the summer, showing off their yachts versus the rich and famous yachts of business tycoons from Russia, Europe and the USA...? LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spee Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Dutch couple wants navy escort ... eh ?? I heard Ernest Borgnine is still working and going strong at age 94 ..... give 'em hell Commander! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harleyclarkey Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Even funnier,48 years old and has a 2 y.o.-so you know their mind isn't right! Odd viewpoint? {I would say that being sound of mind and body, 59 with a one year old}. Way off topic I know but get real! So when your child reaches 10,you'll be grandparent age.Wonderful.If you're here at 69 that is.Growing up would be difficult with 1 parent I suppose.Not an odd viewpoint at all,just responsible.So your child will have a parent and grandparent to raise him/her-wonderful. Who is it to get real? Are you trying to say this man is far too old to have a child. Where does it say you have to stop at a certain age? My guess is an older man would make a wonderful, calm, knowledgeable wise parent. As for not being around....the average age for a westerner is around 78 now, so he has at an average 30 years of good life in him...hopefully much more than that. Take a look in the mirror and see who should get real with the ageist remarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 May be the British Royal Navy has better thing to do than play nursemaid to a bunch of Sunday boaters, like protecting and rescuing people who have a real need to be at sea. http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/16/somalia.pirates.rescue/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 May be the British Royal Navy has better thing to do than play nursemaid to a bunch of Sunday boaters, like protecting and rescuing people who have a real need to be at sea. http://edition.cnn.c...pirates.rescue/ Is there a difference in a small dhow with 5 Yemeni fishermen, "held hostage aboard their Yemeni-flagged vessel for 92 days" and a convoy of 30 private yachts? Don't understand me wrong; of course everyone held hostage has a right for help from the allied navies (it's not just the British navy btw, controlling the area) but this vessel wasn't exacly a commercial western large containership or enormous oil tanker for which the navy tasks has been installed to protect those. At this very moment 30 large vessels are still captured by Somali pirates, waiting for randsomes. LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endure Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 May be the British Royal Navy has better thing to do than play nursemaid to a bunch of Sunday boaters, like protecting and rescuing people who have a real need to be at sea. http://edition.cnn.c...pirates.rescue/ Is there a difference in a small dhow with 5 Yemeni fishermen, "held hostage aboard their Yemeni-flagged vessel for 92 days" and a convoy of 30 private yachts? "Since taking the dhow on November 11, 2010, the pirates used it as a "mother ship" for raiding operations, equipping three skiffs with powerful outboard motors, ladders and other paraphernalia, according to the statement." Yes - the dhow was being used by the pirates as a mother ship. The private yachts have the option to take an alternative route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 May be the British Royal Navy has better thing to do than play nursemaid to a bunch of Sunday boaters, like protecting and rescuing people who have a real need to be at sea. http://edition.cnn.c...pirates.rescue/ Is there a difference in a small dhow with 5 Yemeni fishermen, "held hostage aboard their Yemeni-flagged vessel for 92 days" and a convoy of 30 private yachts? "Since taking the dhow on November 11, 2010, the pirates used it as a "mother ship" for raiding operations, equipping three skiffs with powerful outboard motors, ladders and other paraphernalia, according to the statement." Yes - the dhow was being used by the pirates as a mother ship. The private yachts have the option to take an alternative route. Interesting! There are quite a few larger "mother ships" operating from Somalia; this one from Yemen was taken to act as another one. It doesn't change the initial tasks of the western navy fleet,m trying to protect the shipping lanes towards the Suez Canal. If the Navy fleet is so good, why didn't they capture other "Mother ships" from the Somali pirates before ? Fact is that the Somali Pirates are using quite a few captured other ships as so called "mother ships". This Yemeni fishing boat was just another example! The point is that the navy forces are not able and strong enough to guard this huge area whereby pirate ships, small or large, capture huge ships like one of the last ones, a 333 meters/1000ft oil tanker. Private yachts taking another route....really? where and which one. The Cape around South Africa? Sure, that's an easy (not!) job when the flotilla of 30 yachts is now in the Maldives, anchored there, not knowing what to do as they are left unprotected; moreover since the pirates just captured a large vessel some 650 km EAST of Oman; go figure. (see Google maps) Why doesn't the Navy fleet intervere and recapture the 30 large vessels, presently still captured by the pirates...? Yes, because it's an impossible task because the western world and their navies has no answer to these brutal criminals: the pirates. I said it before: we are too civilized, to act against these criminals of the oceans.... Can we bomb and blow the h_ll of out them on a daily basis, close to shore, near Somalia? Sure we can, but the world opinion doesn't allow it. We have too many conventions, stopping us from acting like an eye for an eye.... NOT guarding the flotilla with 30 yachts is an option; guarding them is another one. Only when a few or more of those yachts are captured by pirates and crew is seriously injured or killed, from whatever country, the world wakes up. Would the allied Naval forces act if there was a British Royal on board of one of these yachts, a Danish one, a Dutch one....a Dubai Prince perhaps? You know what? I never read* anything anymore about the 3 THAI fishing boats, captured by Somali pirates, in April 2010!! Nobody cares... "Pirates have hijacked three Thai fishing vessels off the coast of Somalia, the European Union Naval Force Somalia said Tuesday. Pirates captured the vessels Sunday about 1,200 nautical miles (1,380 miles or 2,222 km) east of the Somali coast, 600 nautical miles (690 miles or 1,111 km) outside the area in which the EU group operates." http://news.blogs.cn...-somali-coast/* * there IS some news since Indian naval vessels, 10 days ago, re-captured one of the 3 THAI fishing trawlers, which was also acting as another "Mother Ship" for the pirates. "On Feb. 6, two Indian naval vessels captured one of these mother ships, a Thai trawler called the Prantalay 11, along with 20 pirates off southwest India when they went to aid a Greek freighter under attack. The Prantalay was one of three Thai fishing boats seized by pirates off Somalia in 2010." Read more: http://www.upi.com/S.../#ixzz1EAgt8k6P Does anyone have any idea HOW FAR the location is, OFF the Somalian Coast when the Indian Naval patrol re-captured the THAI Trawler..??..it's unbelievable! It was OFF South West India which is pretty close to the location where the 30 private yachts are anchored ! http://maps.google.c....922852&t=h&z=5 LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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