LaoPo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 "stupid": I suggest you read back in your own topic and look WHO used the word "stupid" first (not me) and who and how many times bad and nasty words were used, addressed at the organisers of the flotilla. But, strange enough I don't see any of those bashing members, now bashing the same words at the Americans...isn't that weird? Errr, you must have missed post number 172. ...No, I noticed that. I'll change to "nutty" LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 Definite over the top arrogance! Many options for them, this is NOT one of them. Quite some Dutch people just think they truly are the centre of the world. Im Dutch.. and they are idiots. Let them pay for their own safety, why would others have to pay for their trip. Luckily you ve got some reasonable ones as well! robblok has a valid point in regards to paying for their own safety. If they and those in their convoy were willing to pay even the same as what they charge for a daily cruise on their yacht: http://www.alondrasailing.com/zakelijk/pagina-en/index-en.htm I would think any number of highly-efficient mercenaries would be more than willing to provide ample and safe protection at the aggregate total of 400,000 Euros per day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 News Flash They are gone. Just replying to the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Organizing a convoy is a good idea, and can protect many yachts and smaller transport vessels in a cost effective way. Sure beats demanding a personal escort for your yacht. And it makes not a whit of difference where people are from, arrogance is the same in any language or accent. Some people are just arrogant, and still others seem to think ALL persons from some countries are arrogant or unintelligent, and lambast their country men for the thoughts and deeds of others. Small mindedness also knows no national boarders or accents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisailer Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 boy, it dosen't take long for the great humor to go out of these threads and the petty bickering to take over. As a lifelong sailor my observation about this story is that the pirates would be the least of my worries. If I were thinking of crossing that area (and trust me I would not) I wouldn't be doing it in a well advertised flotilla. Assuming that the pirates know someone who can read and follow stories on the internet the risk of traveling in this group would be higher IMO. The boat that they are going to be traveling in looks pretty old and slow. If I were to add up the statistacal risks, pirates would be pretty low on the list. If you've ever been out on the ocean TRYING to find a small boat you know just how hard it is. Pirates would have to be within a few miles to even see it. There are SO MANY things that can go wrong on a offshore voyage. Being accidently run down by one of the many huge vessels traveling that route is high on the list. Running into a submerged object is also high on the list. Then there is the litiney of other dangers like fire, falling overboard, or machanical failure. I confess that I don't have the gonads for it anymore. It's a very risky way to get an adventure fix. This guy has a huge amount of offshore experence so it's probably safe to assume he knows what he is doing. Regardless it is extremely dangerous to go offshore in a small boat for anyone. I can't believe that any sailor worth his salt would believe that he would be more secure being escorted by huge warships. My closest call ever was almost being run down by a US Navy frigate doing sea trials off the coast of Maine in the fog. This was in spite of frequent security calls reporting my position. Even after the near miss the Navy refused to answer my radio call. In order for the Navy to escort a vessel they have to be able to communicate with them and that means exposing themselves to being tracked themselves. I would take my chances going alone and take advantage of the statistical improbability of ever being seen by pirates. I would also carry tacks, it worked for Slocum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffy D Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 If the efforts of the US Navy, now used to try and save the lives of 4 Americans on a single yacht, only could have been used to protect a flotilla for up to 100 yachts, with 200-250 crew, the whole rescue operation would not have been necessary.... Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 If the efforts of the US Navy, now used to try and save the lives of 4 Americans on a single yacht, only could have been used to protect a flotilla for up to 100 yachts, with 200-250 crew, the whole rescue operation would not have been necessary.... Totally agree. Happy to see there are still members who have common sense. It's not only about commercial shipping; it's (also) about human beings and their lives in danger. The -rich- western world's countries have navy fleets, paid with tax money of the ordinary people and if any navy can help to save lives: well done, since I think we're entitled to expect help in dangerous situations we did NOT ask for. But if a single ship's captain sails into the extreme danger piracy zone WITH KNOWLEDGE about the dangerous situation and the navy is now forced to try and rescue them.....then who was using his brains...the captain, organising a flotilla and asking for help and protection or the irresponsible captain of one single yacht ? LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 We can stop worrying about the Americans and concentrate on the Dutch problem. It seems those poor deprived Somali pirates just murdered all four of the Americans. ______________________________________________________ Four Americans killed on pirated yacht off Somalia: report – 18 mins ago WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Four Americans on a yacht taken over by pirates were killed near Somalia, CNN reported on Tuesday, citing U.S. defense officials. The Americans were apparently shot during negotiations, CNN reported. (Washington World Desk) http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110222/ts_nm/us_somalia_pirates_usa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 We can stop worrying about the Americans and concentrate on the Dutch problem. It seems those poor deprived Somali pirates just murdered all four of the Americans. ______________________________________________________ Four Americans killed on pirated yacht off Somalia: report – 18 mins ago WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Four Americans on a yacht taken over by pirates were killed near Somalia, CNN reported on Tuesday, citing U.S. defense officials. The Americans were apparently shot during negotiations, CNN reported. (Washington World Desk) http://news.yahoo.co...lia_pirates_usa ...Oh My God............... I feel horrible and what many feared is now black reality May they RIP :jap: LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 If there's something positive to come from their deaths, hopefully a deterrent for all others to avoid these waters. If the above is not enough for the Dutch couple and their convoy, additional information for them to consider: Despite an international effort to ensure safe passage through the world’s most treacherous waters, pirates have escalated their attacks in recent years, striking more ships and taking more hostages last year than in any year on record, according to the Piracy Reporting Center of the International Maritime Bureau. A report by the group found that pirates had taken 1,181 people hostage and killed 8 in attacks on 445 ships over the course of 2010. At least 53 ships were hijacked last year, the bureau said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 ^^^^ ...Your hollow and empty words are really meaningless and uncomfortable; you're only interested in feeding your own topic; this topic. If you would have been sincerely and honestly interested in the sailors on board of the S/V Quest you would have contributed in that topic also, expressing your worries. But no, you did not show any interest whatsoever and did not post one single message there* ; instead you were feeding your own topic over-and-over again, knowing the Dutch yacht was safe.. Leave this topic for what it is and at least pay some respect and some empathy to/for the murdered four sailors and think a little about their loved ones now mourning and who will read both topics also.... * http://www.thaivisa....93#entry4236493 LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewt Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 NAIROBI, Kenya – Four Americans taken hostage by Somali pirates off East Africa were shot and killed by their captors Tuesday, the U.S. military said, marking the first time U.S. citizens have been killed in a wave of pirate attacks plaguing the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean for years. U.S. naval forces who were trailing the Americans' captured yacht with four warships quickly boarded the vessel after hearing the gunfire. They tried to provide lifesaving care to the Americans, but they died of their wounds, U.S. Central Command in Tampa, Florida said in a statement. A member of a U.S. special operations force killed one of the pirates with a knife as he went inside of the yacht, said Vice Adm. Mark Fox, commander of U.S. naval forces for the Central Command. Fox said in a televised briefing that the violence on Tuesday started when a rocket-propelled grenade was fired from the yacht at the USS Sterett, a guided-missile destroyer which was 600 yards away. The RPG missed and almost immediately afterward small arms fire was heard coming from the yacht, Fox said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) LaoPo Your uncalled for and unsubstantiated personal attacks are really getting tiresome. Nobody tells me where and when and what to post, the least of all you. If you wish to focus on another thread, go there and focus and leave your childish pettiness off of this one. I've never seen any poster be so presumptuous as to direct where other posters are to post. Your trail-blazing into this new absurdity is less than desirable. . Edited February 22, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 LaoPo . LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverdie Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 ^^^^ ...Your hollow and empty words are really meaningless and uncomfortable; you're only interested in feeding your own topic; this topic. Yes buthholz sinks to a new low, its a vile thing, its a pity when sj was eliminated that his alias's were allowed to thrive. I hope these victims RIP and that no further mindless people make inconsiderate & mindless posts on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverdie Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) Nobody tells me where and when and what to post, . Well that is TOTALLY CLEAR, very evident indeed. Edited February 22, 2011 by neverdie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) Yes buthholz sinks to a new low Can you elaborate or are you just adding to the off-topic derailing with snide comments? . Edited February 22, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallmeScooter Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 NAIROBI, Kenya – Four Americans taken hostage by Somali pirates off East Africa were shot and killed by their captors Tuesday, the U.S. military said, marking the first time U.S. citizens have been killed in a wave of pirate attacks plaguing the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean for years. U.S. naval forces who were trailing the Americans' captured yacht with four warships quickly boarded the vessel after hearing the gunfire. They tried to provide lifesaving care to the Americans, but they died of their wounds, U.S. Central Command in Tampa, Florida said in a statement. A member of a U.S. special operations force killed one of the pirates with a knife as he went inside of the yacht, said Vice Adm. Mark Fox, commander of U.S. naval forces for the Central Command. Fox said in a televised briefing that the violence on Tuesday started when a rocket-propelled grenade was fired from the yacht at the USS Sterett, a guided-missile destroyer which was 600 yards away. The RPG missed and almost immediately afterward small arms fire was heard coming from the yacht, Fox said. Sounds like a rescue mission gone horribly awry, to me. rip hostages... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOODLOVER Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I demand a ham sandwich! ...............I got the same reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RusticCharm Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) Hopefully now the gloves will be off when dealing with this pirate scum. Arrest, trial and imprisonment at the very least. Personally I'd like to see an exclusion zone in the affected area for Somali vessels and any intruding boat blown out of the water. It should be made illegal to pay any form of ransom and the U.N /U.S should attempt a rescue of the hostages held in Somalia. Then the pirates' home bases/villages should be bombed flat. These people only respect force. But this will not happen as the screaming white liberals will be up in arms over 'human rights' for the poor black Africans. The Koreans have the right idea. In January, South Korean navy commandos rescued the 21 crew members of a hijacked freighter and killed several pirates. Edited February 23, 2011 by RusticCharm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Yes push is coming to shove with these pirates and the equivalent of Godzilla needs to land in their neighborhood. RIP to the sailors on a world cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 23, 2011 Author Share Posted February 23, 2011 Hopefully now the gloves will be off when dealing with this pirate scum. Arrest, trial and imprisonment at the very least. There was a bit of that last week: February 17, 2011 Somali pirate sent to prison for over 30 years Abdiwali Abdiqadir Muse (pictured), a 19-year-old Somali pirate who attacked a U.S. ship last year has been sentenced to nearly 34 years in prison. Muse was captured at the time of the Maersk Alabama incident in April, 2009. http://caveviews.blogs.com/cave_news/2011/02/somali-pirate-sent-to-prison-for-over-30-years.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Big deal. One pirate gets 34 years in a place certainly safer than the place he came from. I am surprised that there are people calling for summary executions. I'm sure that tune would change as soon as a U.S. warship blows a boat of pirates out of the water. Then it will be a hue and cry of barbaric Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RusticCharm Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I am surprised that there are people calling for summary executions. I'm sure that tune would change as soon as a U.S. warship blows a boat of pirates out of the water. Then it will be a hue and cry of barbaric Americans.Only from certain quarters. Many will be silently applauding them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 A different yacht leaving from Thailand has been kidnapped... Children among crew in latest pirate attack Denmark's foreign ministry has announced that a 43ft Danish yacht, containing three children, their parents and two other crew members, has been hijacked in the Indian Ocean. The children are aged 13, 15, and 17 and the foreign ministry also confirmed that the yacht, called ING, sent a distress signal on Thursday. It is now believed to be heading to Somalia after being seized by pirates. Lene Espersen, Denmark's foreign minister, said: "It's almost unbearable to know that children are involved and I vigorously condemn the pirates. The authorities are following this case very closely, and we will do everything in our power to assist the Danes on board and their relatives." They began a round-the-world trip in mid-2009 and have stopped in South America, the Caribbean, Fiji and Thailand Continues: http://www.yachtingmonthly.com/news/517645/children-among-crew-in-latest-pirate-attack Yachting Monthly - March 1, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallmeScooter Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Denmark's foreign ministry has announced that a 43ft Danish yacht, containing three children, their parents and two other crew members, has been hijacked in the Indian Ocean. The children are aged 13, 15, and 17....now believed to be heading to Somalia after being seized by pirates. Lene Espersen, Denmark's foreign minister, said: "It's almost unbearable to know that children are involved and I vigorously condemn the pirates. The authorities are following this case very closely, and we will do everything in our power to assist the Danes on board and their relatives." They began a round-the-world trip in mid-2009 and have stopped in South America, the Caribbean, Fiji and Thailand It's a strange world where parents can willfully and arrogantly put their children in such danger...and then when the very thinkable happens, a nation races to their aid. I feel for the 3 teenagers, and I sincerely hope they are all rescued. And I believe their parents should rot in prison, if they are. And invoiced the millions of dollars being spent right now by the would-be rescuers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) 2 Dutch Camera men, Rinze Vergonet and Henk Visser from DMA Studios in Eelde/Netherlands are on board the Alondra since February 26/27th, accompanying the Dutch captain Rene Tiemessen and his wife Edith, 2 year old daughter Devi and American crew member Kate 25, on their journey with a convoy of other yachts trying to reach the Suez canal by passing the Gulf of Aden. This is an automated Google translation from Dutch into English and not (yet completely) edited by myself (maybe later today): "Passing the Gulf of Aden" Tuesday, February 22, 2011 Eelde, preparations Rinze and I are currently busy preparing for our trip through the Gulf of Aden. Next Thursday we should get the vaccinations at the GGD. There is still two months to tape and all peripherals are purchased and Thursday between 12:15 and 12:30 to a radio interview with a love us. Meanwhile, Rene said that the engine is repaired and that he plans to tomorrow with high water from Cochin (India) to leave. Last Friday's "The Quest" hijacked by pirates. This is Rene and his embarked as a bomb. The Quest is an American vessel with four persons on board, in Cochin have talked with Rene. As I write this blog, I get just the site of the Volkskrant (Dutch quality newspaper - LP) that the Americans all four have been slain. No strong message, especially since the killing of hostages so far not occurred. It's bad negotiating for ransom, if you've slain hostages seems. It turns out to be a group of seventeen pirates, four by the American Navy were shot dead and thirteen hijackers were arrested. Rinze and I look at each other. "Dare you continue?" I ask Rinze. "Sure," he says "These pirates at least we no longer encounter. Yes, he is actually right, of course. I have received no response from Rene on these latest developments. Henk Visser DMA-Studios Sunday, February 27, 2011 Suddenly accelerated Suddenly everything went very quickly. Rene called me with his satellite phone Wednesday February 23 at 9:00 pm Dutch time, we had to step on board Saturday in Cochin, India as his visa is only valid for a few days and he would have risked to be arrested. At 11:00 hours Rinze and I sat in the car to the Indian embassy in The Hague, to urgently arrange a visa. Homage to the Indian embassy, the next day we could pick up our visas. Quick so booked tickets to Cochin, via London at 7:30 Friday morning, flew to Cochin Bangalore. We had a meeting with Rene, whose boat was moored for Hotel Taj Malboral. René on board, the skipper, his wife Edith, daughter Devi two years and American female crew: Kate, 25 years. The same evening there was an American yacht "L'Esprit with three crew members are anchored next to us. Rene knew the crew, they were already 500 miles off the Indian coast has been toward the Gulf when they were told that the crew of 'The Quest' by Somali pirates were killed. Shocked by this news, they decided immediately to return to Cochin. Rinze and I have run an interview with the captain who was still visibly affected and emotionally when I asked what he thought should be carried out on board, allowing the pirates to this despicable act passed. Yet this is not Rene keeps his journey through the Gulf of Aden to continue. The next day we smashed and stores tomorrow (Monday) February 28 we leave. Consecutive 22 days at sea, through the Indian coast, and then cross over to Pakistan and then through the Muscat Oman Oman Salalah. The tanks are filled with diesel (1000 liters) is not enough so we will have to sail as much as possible. The winds and currents to the first track is not really convenient as possible so it will take longer than 22 days. At this time only Internet via satellite phone so short messages. So far. Camera Men Rinze Vergonet and Henk Visser From: http://www.dvhn.nl/doordegolfvanaden/ LaoPo to be continued with more posts Edited March 16, 2011 by LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) Continue story from post # 207: "Passing the Gulf of Aden" Tuesday, March 8, 2011 Days on board now and we had to sail to Malpe, India due to engine problems. I'm now in an internet cafe and Rene got to checking the mail Ecoterra (a natural and human rights organization in Somalia) that again a yacht was hijacked by Somali pirates hijacked; it is the ING, a Danish yacht. On board were four adults and three children in the age of 12, 14 and 16 years. The Danish vessel was hijacked on the 14 north latitude, more south than the area where we will sail through. We will hold a meeting tonight with the whole crew (to decide - LP) what we will do. For now, the captain intends to continue with its original route, maybe, because of these developments we have to sail even more north. Initially the plan was to sail from Mumbai to Oman but probably the Quest and the ING chose the same route...... From: http://www.dvhn.nl/doordegolfvanaden/ "Passing the Gulf of Aden" - VIDEO http://www.dma-studios.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=86&Itemid=3 LaoPo Edited March 16, 2011 by LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) Days on board now and we had to sail to Malpe, India due to engine problems. March 8: Malpe - India: http://maps.google.c...utm_term=google maps ..still a long way to go, all the way up Northern Indian coast towards Pakistan to make a crossing to Oman possible and "relatively" safe. The crossing from Mumbai to Oman is impossible since it's too dangerous apart from the possibility that the Indian Navy will stop them... I have no further information how many yachts there are in the convoy. LaoPo Edited March 16, 2011 by LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 There's a new message from the 2 camera men on board of the Alondra, see link below. I will post a short script as I have no spirit to proofread the complete Google translation which needs quite a bit of work actually. 18 March 2011 After the engine was repaired they left Malpe, India and planned to sail high up the Indian coast and cross over to Oman just before Pakistan border with India. Because the weather changed dramatically with high seas and strong winds of up to 25-30 knots they decided to risk the crossing to Oman already on the 21st Latitude. After 2 days/nights the wind calmed down and they received a message that at a distance of about 60 miles a Russian freighter was attacked by pirates; quite close actually. But the pirates didn't succeed to capture the freighter. Close to the Oman shores they had contact with another 4 sailing yachts, coming from Muscat, Oman and sailing towards Salalah/Oman and they travelled in a convoy of 5 ships to Salalah. On the second day they saw suspected skiffs; such polyester skiffs are normally used by Oman fishermen occupied by just 2 of them but in this case there was a crew of 4 or 5 in at least 3 skiffs who were not fishing, also noticeable because there were no birds around the skiffs, a sign that they were not fishing. After they followed the convoy some skiffs left and only one kept following the convoy for while until that one also disappeared. They were afraid they would come back since pirates mostly attack in the early morning or late afternoon/early evening but they didn;t see the skiffs with pirates back anymore, assuming they (pirates) were notified (possibly by their mothership) that the western navies were too close by. Later, they were informed by UK navy that the skiffs were indeed manned by pirates. The convoy finally reached Salalah*, Oman where 4 more yachts will group together with the other 5 yachts. The convoy will leave for Aden in Yemen on Monday evening and although, unfortunately, it's full moon, they will leave for Aden in the hope they can anchor there because of the present unrest in Yemen. Everything has been filmed. Translated in short from: http://www.dvhn.nl/doordegolfvanaden/ * Salalah/Oman: http://goo.gl/maps/0tuV LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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