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Pirates 'threaten global oil supplies'

Published: Feb. 16, 2011 at 11:49 AM

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, Feb. 16 (UPI) -- With two tankers seized by Somali pirates in recent days ship owners warned that hijackings are "spinning out of control" and could disrupt global oil supplies if governments don't take tough action against the sea bandits.

"If piracy in the Indian Ocean is left unabated, it will strangle these crucial shipping lanes with the potential to severely disrupt oil flows to the United States and to the rest of the world," said Joe Angelo, managing director of the International Association of Independent Tanker Owners.

"We want to see a significant increase in government will to eradicate piracy in this area and not just contain it."

Piracy is costing the global economy $7 billion-$12 billion a year, the shipping industry says.

The recent tanker seizures took place in the Indian Ocean, one 900 miles east of the pirates' traditional hunting grounds in the Gulf of Aden. It links the Mediterranean and Red seas to the Indian Ocean and is used by some 30,000 ships every year.

On Feb. 8, pirates hijacked the Italian tanker MV Savina Caylyn south of India and 800 miles east of Somalia, the Italian navy reported. The vessel, with a capacity of 105,000 tons and a 22-man crew, was bound for Malaysia carrying Sudanese oil valued at $60 million.

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On Feb. 6, two Indian naval vessels captured one of these mother ships, a Thai trawler called the Prantalay 11, along with 20 pirates off southwest India when they went to aid a Greek freighter under attack.

The Prantalay was one of three Thai fishing boats seized by pirates off Somalia in 2010.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/S.../#ixzz1EAlTCNKB

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Pirates 'threaten global oil supplies'

Published: Feb. 16, 2011 at 11:49 AM

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, Feb. 16 (UPI) -- With two tankers seized by Somali pirates in recent days ship owners warned that hijackings are "spinning out of control" and could disrupt global oil supplies if governments don't take tough action against the sea bandits.

"If piracy in the Indian Ocean is left unabated, it will strangle these crucial shipping lanes with the potential to severely disrupt oil flows to the United States and to the rest of the world," said Joe Angelo, managing director of the International Association of Independent Tanker Owners.

"We want to see a significant increase in government will to eradicate piracy in this area and not just contain it."

Piracy is costing the global economy $7 billion-$12 billion a year, the shipping industry says.

The recent tanker seizures took place in the Indian Ocean, one 900 miles east of the pirates' traditional hunting grounds in the Gulf of Aden. It links the Mediterranean and Red seas to the Indian Ocean and is used by some 30,000 ships every year.

On Feb. 8, pirates hijacked the Italian tanker MV Savina Caylyn south of India and 800 miles east of Somalia, the Italian navy reported. The vessel, with a capacity of 105,000 tons and a 22-man crew, was bound for Malaysia carrying Sudanese oil valued at $60 million.

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On Feb. 6, two Indian naval vessels captured one of these mother ships, a Thai trawler called the Prantalay 11, along with 20 pirates off southwest India when they went to aid a Greek freighter under attack.

The Prantalay was one of three Thai fishing boats seized by pirates off Somalia in 2010.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/S.../#ixzz1EAlTCNKB

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And you still think it right that a warship should detract from duties of riding the high seas of these pirates to play nursemaid to a bunch Sunday boaters who only purpose for sailing is for enjoyment, I doubt they would be able to keep a tight enough convoy that would allow a warship to to see them all on radar let alone visual contact at all times.

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And you still think it right that a warship should detract from duties of riding the high seas of these pirates to play nursemaid to a bunch Sunday boaters who only purpose for sailing is for enjoyment, I doubt they would be able to keep a tight enough convoy that would allow a warship to to see them all on radar let alone visual contact at all times.

I don't see much difference if a navy rescue 5 fishermen from a small Yemeni dhow and now recaptured one of the 3 Thai Fishing trawlers.

Although I applaud the rescue actions, both countries' fishing boats have nothing to do with the initial tasks for the navy, namely the protection of large container ships, oil tankers and the like on their way to the Suez canal.

Why rescue small fishing boats, owned by foreign nations/companies and not give protection to a flotilla of 30 private yachts?

BTW: nobody gave an answer as how the large private yachts, sailing from the wealthy Arab oilstates to the Meditarranean, are protected....;)

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I have to laugh a little, noticing that this topic attracted 122 answers in 11 days whilst a much more sensational topic got already 133 answers within 22 HOURS!

But, of course more people are seriously worried about:

13 girls rescued after raid on karaoke bar

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Well with all this press it's good to keep the pirates in the loop so they know when to expect you, that you'll have no escort and there will be about 30 boats, so they had better bring some pirate friends along...

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May be the British Royal Navy has better thing to do than play nursemaid to a bunch of Sunday boaters, like protecting and rescuing people who have a real need to be at sea.

http://edition.cnn.c...pirates.rescue/

Is there a difference in a small dhow with 5 Yemeni fishermen, "held hostage aboard their Yemeni-flagged vessel for 92 days" and a convoy of 30 private yachts?

"Since taking the dhow on November 11, 2010, the pirates used it as a "mother ship" for raiding operations, equipping three skiffs with powerful outboard motors, ladders and other paraphernalia, according to the statement."

Yes - the dhow was being used by the pirates as a mother ship. The private yachts have the option to take an alternative route.

Interesting!

There are quite a few larger "mother ships" operating from Somalia; this one from Yemen was taken to act as another one. It doesn't change the initial tasks of the western navy fleet,m trying to protect the shipping lanes towards the Suez Canal.

If the Navy fleet is so good, why didn't they capture other "Mother ships" from the Somali pirates before ?

Fact is that the Somali Pirates are using quite a few captured other ships as so called "mother ships". This Yemeni fishing boat was just another example!

The difference between a Yemeni fishing boat and a Dutch owned private yacht is that the Yemeni is local and is fishing to feed their family - the yacht is there by virtue of the fact that its owners are rich enough to sail in that area. If they want rescuing they can pay for it. If Yemeni fishing boats were being taken hostage by pirates off Europoort you might have a point.

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The difference between a Yemeni fishing boat and a Dutch owned private yacht is that the Yemeni is local and is fishing to feed their family - the yacht is there by virtue of the fact that its owners are rich enough to sail in that area. If they want rescuing they can pay for it. If Yemeni fishing boats were being taken hostage by pirates off Europoort you might have a point.

You're mistaken Endure; its not about one yacht; it's a fleet of 30 yachts and one or more of those yachts could now very well be captured by pirates also and converted as mother ships for the pirates; the same as what happened with the Yemeni fishing boat and the 3 Thai fishing trawlers -missing since April 2010 !- of which one is now recaptured. 2 are still missing.

In the area where the pirates operate there must be thousands of fishing boats (next to commercial ships) from all kinds of countries: India, Pakistan, Thailand, Oman, Yemen, Iran, Maldives, Sri Lanka etc:

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don't forget that the Thai ships were captured extremely far away from Somali shores and the pirates NEVER captured ships so far away before, almost a year ago.

BTW: where is the attention of the Thai public and media, including TV for the 3 fishing trawlers from their own nation? Nowhere to be found <_< NOBODY, including the English press.

I just posted yesterday "old" news that one of the Trawlers was recaptured by Indian Navy. Maybe members should pay a little more attention to these problems rather than girls, freed from a Karaoke bar near Chiang Mai...

Or are sailors on Thai fishing boats worth less than girls working in a karaoke bar.?..but, sure, I know, girls is more sensational news than some poor sailors.

136 replies for the girls in 25 hours and 126 for the Dutch Yacht in 12 days; go figure what's more important to the esteemed members on TV ;)

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Pirates 'threaten global oil supplies'

Methinks that headline is a little over the top. Oil supplies are under threat because the US isn't producing any more than a fraction of what it could produce. I would be more far more worried about the Suez Canal closing. If the pirates create anything more than a dent in gulf oil shipments, the international navies will hunt them down and eliminate the problem.

I also agree with others that the Dutch couple deserves little sympathy. Their problems are relatively minor, and they know the risks of sailing in international waters.

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Or are sailors on Thai fishing boats worth less than girls working in a karaoke bar.?..but, sure, I know, girls is more sensational news than some poor sailors.

136 replies for the girls in 25 hours and 126 for the Dutch Yacht in 12 days; go figure what's more important to the esteemed members on TV ;)

Your apple and oranges comparison fails to take into consideration the fact that the child prostitution thread was mass emailed to 113,000 Thaivisa members, whereas this thread and your thread were not.

That's the single, over-riding factor in any thread when looking at the number of replies and their rapidity of posting. ;)

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Or are sailors on Thai fishing boats worth less than girls working in a karaoke bar.?..but, sure, I know, girls is more sensational news than some poor sailors.

136 replies for the girls in 25 hours and 126 for the Dutch Yacht in 12 days; go figure what's more important to the esteemed members on TV ;)

Your apple and oranges comparison fails to take into consideration the fact that the child prostitution thread was mass emailed to 113,000 Thaivisa members, whereas this thread and your thread were not.

That's the single, over-riding factor in any thread when looking at the number of replies and their rapidity of posting. ;)

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If that was the case than the child prostitution case was more important to bring under the attention of 113.000 Thaivisa members rather than 3 Thai hijacked fishing boats with crew now some 10 months ago, although I never received such an email alert nor did I know there were 113.000 TV members but it's good to know that members are well informed.

BTW: is that number of 113.000 including banned members?

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Or are sailors on Thai fishing boats worth less than girls working in a karaoke bar.?..but, sure, I know, girls is more sensational news than some poor sailors.

136 replies for the girls in 25 hours and 126 for the Dutch Yacht in 12 days; go figure what's more important to the esteemed members on TV ;)

Your apple and oranges comparison fails to take into consideration the fact that the child prostitution thread was mass emailed to 113,000 Thaivisa members, whereas this thread and your thread were not.

That's the single, over-riding factor in any thread when looking at the number of replies and their rapidity of posting. ;)

If that was the case than the child prostitution case was more important to bring under the attention of 113.000 Thaivisa members rather than 3 Thai hijacked fishing boats with crew now some 10 months ago, although I never received such an email alert nor did I know there were 113.000 TV members but it's good to know that members are well informed.

BTW: is that number of 113.000 including banned members?

The decision to mass email news articles is made by Admin, so you should direct your inquiry that way if you question the relevance of importance in regard to news items.

The other thread was received by me as an email, but I'm afraid I didn't save it. If you didn't receive one, it may be because you elected out of that option (in member's control panel).

The number of members is in the lower right corner of the main index page, along with a few other stats:

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What category of members that includes is another question best suited for Admin.

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Were the Thai boats fishing "legally" in those waters?

Here an interesting article http://www.projectce...somali-pirates/

:blink:...captured in the middle of the Indian ocean ?...fishing illegally?

"The fishermen, aboard three vessels, were attacked by pirates about 1,200 miles (2,222 kilometres) from the coast of Somalia, said Commander John Harbour, spokesman for the EU anti-piracy mission EUNAVFOR."

http://www.bangkokpo...7-crew-eu-force

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The number of members is in the lower right corner of the main index page, along with a few other stats:

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What category of members that includes is another question best suited for Admin.

Thanks; never knew about these figures but maybe that's because I'm not in the least interested but of course the number of 113.000 has to be swallowed with a few kgs of salt since a major part never revisited TV again, are banned, or for any other reason disappeared.

To write that 113.000 members have been emailed is therefore a little exaggerated , isn't it, or do you still receive those emails also in all of your many alter ego's (existing or not anymore) you used to climb on board of the sailing ship ? ;)

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To write that 113.000 members have been emailed is therefore a little exaggerated , isn't it

Not really. I'm sure a few members have changed the option to not receiving them on their individual control panel, but I'd be surprised to learn that more than a few had done so and AFAIK, every member that hadn't made the change would have received the email.

You may wish to move your inquiries to the Forum Support Desk forum where your questions/comments would be more appropriate.

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To write that 113.000 members have been emailed is therefore a little exaggerated , isn't it

You may wish to move your inquiries to the Forum Support Desk forum where your questions/comments would be more appropriate.

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:lol:..as always..let me change that into...:cheesy:

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Thank you Unstable Member Provocateur Cloudhopper :rolleyes:

:ermm:... Ouch, that hurts....now, not a stupid Dutch sailor and his wife are hijacked by pirates but 4 Americans on a private yacht owned by Jean and Scott Adam from :

From the BBC link:

The S/V Quest, owned by a retired couple, was hijacked 240 nautical miles (275 miles) off Oman on Friday afternoon, Ecoterra told BBC News

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"The EU's Navfor force recently warned that yachts, even those travelling in convoys, were not assured of protection. Individual yacht owners wishing to reach the Suez Canal through the Gulf of Aden are tempted, as a result, to leave convoys and strike out by themselves, maritime experts say.

The attack on the S/V Quest is the latest in a number of attacks on yachts:

  • South African couple Bruno Pelizzari and Deborah Calitz are still being held in Somalia, four months after their vessel, the S/Y Choizil, was hijacked

  • British couple Paul and Rachel Chandler were held for nearly 400 days after their yacht, the Lynn Rival, was hijacked near the Seychelles in October 2009

  • French yacht-owner Florent Lemacon was killed in April 2009 when French commandos tried to liberate him and four other people from their hijacked yacht, the Tanit, off Somalia

Welcome to the Home Page of the Sailing Vessel Quest Web Site!

http://www.svquest.com/

I don't understand why the owner of this yacht, a very experienced captain, sailed so far off the coast of Oman (240 nautical miles (275 miles) !.

He was probably well aware that there are pirates in the neighborhood and if he was on it's way to Oman there's only one way to go there, coming from Burma/Sri Lanka/Maldives, and that is sailing VERY close to India's shoreline, all the way up North via Pakistan and than cross over to Oman and follow it's coastline further south and west again (and not like the line on the map).

It's the only way to avoid pirates. A long way but the safest way.

Since the S/V Quest with the Adams couple staid in Thailand for 6 months they probably knew the Tiemessen family, sailing the Alondra and orginising the convoy and we can only wait for more news if the Adams were part of the 30 ship convoy or not and decided to leave the convoy...:(

Poor people.

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I don't understand why the owner of this yacht, a very experienced captain, sailed so far off the coast of Oman (240 nautical miles (275 miles) !.

He was probably well aware that there are pirates in the neighborhood and if he was on it's way to Oman there's only one way to go there, coming from Burma/Sri Lanka/Maldives, and that is sailing VERY close to India's shoreline, all the way up North via Pakistan and than cross over to Oman and follow it's coastline further south and west again (and not like the line on the map).

It's the only way to avoid pirates. A long way but the safest way.

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LaoPo

Actually, I just found out that the S/V Quest sailed along the coast of India and the last position of their yacht on SPOT* was Mumbai/India**, quite up north of India.

If they left Mumbai and sailed for Salalah/Oman (see map) in more or less straight line than it was the wrong decision since those pirates operate far away from shorelines in the Indian Ocean, also between Oman and India...

Sailing further north to Karachi, Pakistan and than further west to the borders of Iran and than crossing over to Oman seems more safe to me.

* http://share.findmes...tu4Y18e4FrS1meL

from: where are we?:

* http://www.svquest.com/WhereAreWe.htm

** http://maps.google.n...6,45.922852&z=5

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Americans held hostage as pirates hijack yacht

U.S. mulls response after 4 U.S. citizens, including a retired dentist, are seized

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S/V Quest, reported hijacked by Somali pirates Friday, had four Americans aboard, reportedly including owners Jean and Scott Adam, who were sailing around the world.

United States military officials on Saturday said they were assessing possible responses after Somali pirates hijacked a yacht with four Americans on board in the Arabian sea off the coast of Somalia.

Pirates hijacked the yacht S/V Quest on Friday, two days after a Somali pirate was sentenced to 33 years in prison by a New York court for the 2009 hijacking of the Maersk Alabama. That case ended in a spectacular rescue when Navy sharpshooters killed two pirates holding the ship's captain, Richard Phillips.

The S/V Quest is the home of Jean and Scott Adam, a couple who has been sailing around the world since December 2004, according to a website the Adams keep.

A U.S. military spokesman at Central Command in Florida said: "We're aware of the situation and we continue to monitor it."

Matt Goshko, a spokesman at the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, which oversees Somalia, said preliminary reports indicate there are four U.S. citizens aboard the Quest.

"All relevant U.S. agencies are monitoring the situation, working to develop further information, assess options and possible responses," Goshko said.

Continues:

http://www.msnbc.msn...ld_news-africa/

VIDEO: http://www.msnbc.msn...679113#41679113

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I think that what people are forgetting is that this dutch couple are asking for more protection than anybody else gets.

As it stands now not even the largest of ships get an escort (although some special cargo might get an escort), they are all just sailing in patrolled waters in the hope that a warship might be close enough to help them. The warships out there are not escorting, they are just patrolling the area.

This Dutch couple and their friends want extra protection that is above and beyond what everybody else in those waters is getting.

A tad selfish, is it not?

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I think that what people are forgetting is that this dutch couple are asking for more protection than anybody else gets.

As it stands now not even the largest of ships get an escort (although some special cargo might get an escort), they are all just sailing in patrolled waters in the hope that a warship might be close enough to help them. The warships out there are not escorting, they are just patrolling the area.

This Dutch couple and their friends want extra protection that is above and beyond what everybody else in those waters is getting.

A tad selfish, is it not?

The Dutch couple is just the spokesman/woman for the flotilla of 30 yachts and they asked for possible guidance and protection like all the merchant ships, oil tankers do.

How much are the costs for the protection of oil tankers, bound for the US, by Bahrain based US Navy ships (5th fleet) in the gulf up to the Suez Canal? Who pays for that?

How much does the ransom cost and/or possible navy actions to free hostages if one or more yachts are captured like the "stupid" Americans? (for the record: I use the word "stupid" since that was one of the words used by previous members condemning the Dutch couple and their flotilla).

I have yet to see and read THEIR comments <_<

If you would be on one of those yachts.....a member of a royal family or hi-so from any country.....than what would you pray for or ask for help; would every nation tell those hi-so to stay put and pray?

How much did the rescue cost for the Yemeni fishing boat, hijacked and used as a Mother ship for a bunch of pirate teams ? How much did the rescue cost for the Thai vessel done by the Indian Navy and not even part of the European/US navies?

How many more hundreds of millions of s have to be paid as ransom for ships, captured by the criminal pirates?

Selfish or common sense?

PS: let me know when the Americans are freed and how high the ransom was or the costs for a rescue operation.

Let's hope they will survive! :jap:

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I think that what people are forgetting is that this dutch couple are asking for more protection than anybody else gets.

As it stands now not even the largest of ships get an escort (although some special cargo might get an escort), they are all just sailing in patrolled waters in the hope that a warship might be close enough to help them. The warships out there are not escorting, they are just patrolling the area.

This Dutch couple and their friends want extra protection that is above and beyond what everybody else in those waters is getting.

A tad selfish, is it not?

The Dutch couple is just the spokesman/woman for the flotilla of 30 yachts and they asked for possible guidance and protection like all the merchant ships, oil tankers do.

How much are the costs for the protection of oil tankers, bound for the US, by Bahrain based US Navy ships (5th fleet) in the gulf up to the Suez Canal? Who pays for that?

How much does the ransom cost and/or possible navy actions to free hostages if one or more yachts are captured like the "stupid" Americans? (for the record: I use the word "stupid" since that was one of the words used by previous members condemning the Dutch couple and their flotilla).

I have yet to see and read THEIR comments <_<

If you would be on one of those yachts.....a member of a royal family or hi-so from any country.....than what would you pray for or ask for help; would every nation tell those hi-so to stay put and pray?

How much did the rescue cost for the Yemeni fishing boat, hijacked and used as a Mother ship for a bunch of pirate teams ? How much did the rescue cost for the Thai vessel done by the Indian Navy and not even part of the European/US navies?

How many more hundreds of millions of s have to be paid as ransom for ships, captured by the criminal pirates?

Selfish or common sense?

PS: let me know when the Americans are freed and how high the ransom was or the costs for a rescue operation.

Let's hope they will survive! :jap:

LaoPo

Anybody is STUPID for sailing a yacht or other sailing vessel into waters where piracy is rife, regardless of nationality.

I guess they didn't take your advice and load up on flame throwers and Super Glue before venturing into dangerous waters. B)

PS: How much has the US government billed you for any rescue attempts in the past? If your answer is "zero". then why do you care how much it costs?

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I think that what people are forgetting is that this dutch couple are asking for more protection than anybody else gets.

As it stands now not even the largest of ships get an escort (although some special cargo might get an escort), they are all just sailing in patrolled waters in the hope that a warship might be close enough to help them. The warships out there are not escorting, they are just patrolling the area.

This Dutch couple and their friends want extra protection that is above and beyond what everybody else in those waters is getting.

A tad selfish, is it not?

The Dutch couple is just the spokesman/woman for the flotilla of 30 yachts and they asked for possible guidance and protection like all the merchant ships, oil tankers do.

How much are the costs for the protection of oil tankers, bound for the US, by Bahrain based US Navy ships (5th fleet) in the gulf up to the Suez Canal? Who pays for that?

Read the words that I am writing. Don't just look at them, read them and digest them.

The only ships that get an escort are humanitarian aid ships. Asides from that, the rest are ON THEIR OWN.

The other ships DO NOT get escorts. They HAVE NO escorts. NONE. The only security they have is warships PATROLLING the area. That's PATROLLING, NOT escorting. If a ship out there is caught by pirates and no warships is nearby, then they are in trouble.

There are NO ESCORTS because there are NOT ENOUGH WARSHIPS to provide escorts.

What these Dutch people want is an escort for a pleasure trip which is completely avoidable. They want an escort that will remove a much needed warship, at great cost, from elsewhere.

Why should THESE PEOPLE get an escort when NOBODY ELSE does?

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Perhaps "demand" is too strong a word but I don't think requesting a possible escort it too way off.

Various navies are just steaming round in circles looking for pirates and if by chance they do happen to come across any there seems very little they can do anyway.

If they are patrolling anyway why not escort a vessel through the troubled area, I'm sure this couple are not the only ones wanting to travel this route so perhaps they could organize a convoy to escort.

At least the various navies would be seen to be doing something positive instead of whining that the area too large to patrol effectively.

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Exactly. It would also show some good faith. Something I think Thailand is in need of right now.

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Perhaps "demand" is too strong a word but I don't think requesting a possible escort it too way off.

Various navies are just steaming round in circles looking for pirates and if by chance they do happen to come across any there seems very little they can do anyway.

If they are patrolling anyway why not escort a vessel through the troubled area, I'm sure this couple are not the only ones wanting to travel this route so perhaps they could organize a convoy to escort.

At least the various navies would be seen to be doing something positive instead of whining that the area too large to patrol effectively.

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Exactly. It would also show some good faith. Something I think Thailand is in need of right now.

jb1

Thailand doesn't have any navy ships in the area anymore.

As for the other poster's, "whining that the area is too large", clearly written by someone unfamiliar with oceanic geography.

The area is huge, the commercial shipping is great, and the naval ships are comparatively few, ergo no one is whinging, rather just stating the reality.

Thanks to Moonraker's post for clarifying that essentially no one is getting escorted... and that for such non-essential travel as a luxury yacht goes, it's completely unreasonable for them to expect/demand an escort.

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Thanks to Moonraker's post for clarifying that essentially no one is getting escorted... and that for such non-essential travel as a luxury yacht goes, it's completely unreasonable for them to expect/demand an escort.

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So, may we conclude that the Americans, sailing to Oman and now hijacked by pirates, were even more stupid than the Dutch who were asking for assistance for their flotilla of 30 yachts ?

AFAIK the flotilla is still anchored in the Maldives; it must be nicer to stay there rather than to have some nasty pirates on board somwhere in the Indian Ocean, not knowing what those b@stards are going to do to you, is it?

I'm sure the Navy from whatever country is going to do nothing to save the lives of some dumb Americans, NOT asking for assistance but decided they knew better than the flotilla and sail for Oman....<_<

But, knowing the US a little, of course America will do anything to save those lives and rescue them or pay a huge ransom.

next ship please.

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136 replies for the girls in 25 hours and 126 for the Dutch Yacht in 12 days; go figure what's more important to the esteemed members on TV ;)]

Think if you'd been here on this forum long enough you've figured it out by now. Amnesty International/Avaaz.org et al, it ain't.

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Thanks to Moonraker's post for clarifying that essentially no one is getting escorted... and that for such non-essential travel as a luxury yacht goes, it's completely unreasonable for them to expect/demand an escort.

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So, may we conclude that the Americans, sailing to Oman and now hijacked by pirates, were even more stupid than the Dutch who were asking for assistance for their flotilla of 30 yachts ?

AFAIK the flotilla is still anchored in the Maldives; it must be nicer to stay there rather than to have some nasty pirates on board somwhere in the Indian Ocean, not knowing what those b@stards are going to do to you, is it?

I'm sure the Navy from whatever country is going to do nothing to save the lives of some dumb Americans, NOT asking for assistance but decided they knew better than the flotilla and sail for Oman....<_<

But, knowing the US a little, of course America will do anything to save those lives and rescue them or pay a huge ransom.

next ship please.

LaoPo

Anybody who goes into those waters unless they have to is stupid.

What's your point?

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Thanks to Moonraker's post for clarifying that essentially no one is getting escorted... and that for such non-essential travel as a luxury yacht goes, it's completely unreasonable for them to expect/demand an escort.

So, may we conclude that the Americans, sailing to Oman and now hijacked by pirates, were even more stupid than the Dutch who were asking for assistance for their flotilla of 30 yachts ?

AFAIK the flotilla is still anchored in the Maldives; it must be nicer to stay there rather than to have some nasty pirates on board somwhere in the Indian Ocean, not knowing what those b@stards are going to do to you, is it?

I'm sure the Navy from whatever country is going to do nothing to save the lives of some dumb Americans, NOT asking for assistance but decided they knew better than the flotilla and sail for Oman....<_<

But, knowing the US a little, of course America will do anything to save those lives and rescue them or pay a huge ransom.

next ship please.

LaoPo

I think you need to insert a few more "stupid" and "dumb" into your post. :huh:

Suffice to say, any yachtsmen who wish to transit the area are foolhardy (sorry for ratcheting down the aggressive rhetoric).

That the Tiemessens traveled with the Chandlers on their way here and who were held hostage for over a year before paying a huge ransom for their release, are foolhardy for thinking of doing the same journey in reverse.

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Definite over the top arrogance!

Many options for them, this is NOT one of them.

A judgement, coming from an assumed intelligent man, based upon an article in a British Sunday newspaper, not exactly famous for it's well balanced unbiased news and an article meant to be sensational -lazy Sunday afternoon- food for their readers. Success guaranteed. ;)

Since the OP gathered and posted so much information and photos of the couple and their baby it would have been more chique to write the couple and ask them for their opinion and their side of the truth and story, instead blindly following the article and make such a big fuzz of minor news.

The couple seems to have a lot of worldwide ocean sailing experience and are probably intelligent and wise enough to realise that they can't DEMAND any Navy for an escort ship to safely guard them to the Suez Canal.

As I understood from articles in non-English, the couple was in The Netherlands in October/November to prepare for their journey to the Mediterranea (from Phuket) and organise the dangerous trip with a large flottilla of other yachts. Not just their own.

Whether such a trip with a convoy of many other private yachts through the waters of the Gulf of Aden, passing Somalia shores, has been done and guarded before; I don't know.

I question if there are any Yacht Carriers (large -dock- ships, transporting private yachts) who would do this dangerous trip and/or an insurance company, willing to insure such a trip.

:unsure:..I wonder how all these (mega) yachts from Kuwait, Abu Dhabi and Dubai sail to the Mediterranea and back during the summer ? Would they ask for an escort (being important oil suppliers) or do they have Navy Escort of their own or maybe Somalian pirates don't attack these Arab private yachts ? I don't know.

What a world :lol:

LaoPo

If you insist on being sensible may I suggest you stop watching this topic

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