PAD Leader Chamlong Urges Thai Govt To Get Tougher Against Cambodia

[webfact]

Govt Urged to Get Tougher against Cambodia

Core leader of the People's Alliance for Democracy or PAD Major General Chamlong Srimuang said if the government meets his group's demand on the cancellation of Thailand's membership in the World Heritage Committee since a year a ago, recent border clashes would never have taken place.

Chamlong insisted the PAD's move or its demand for the nullification of the Memorandum of Understanding or MOU, countersigned in the year 2000 by Thailand and Cambodia over their dealings of un-demarcated border areas, is not the cause of the current Thai-Cambodian border tension.

Chamlong said Cambodia clearly announced its military operations are justified in accordance with the one in 200,000 map included in the MOU.

Chamlong insisted if the government declares a state of emergency, PAD core leaders and himself are ready to be arrested, saying the loss of freedom is better than the loss of territory.

He also said the National Police chief Police General Wichien Podposri's proposed declaration of the promulgation of the Internal Security Act in the areas around Government House to prevent the PAD's occupation will bring about consequences upon himself when the present government is replaced.

Chamlong pledged if his group's protests are dispersed, its demonstrators can re-assemble.

He added if such a demonstration occurs in any other country, its leader would have stepped down.

Meanwhile, PAD's Spokesman Parnthep Puapongpan condemned Cambodia for its attacks on civilians in Thailand and its use of the Preah Vihear Temple as its platform to attack Thais.

Parnthep said if the Thai government still does not carry out any action against Cambodia's statement, it will give more room to Cambodia's claims on the international stage that Thailand is invading its territory.

Parnthep stated he believed the United Nations cannot meet Cambodia's request for intervention as it only has the authority to listen to the two sides.

Parnthep insisted the 2000 MOU does more harm than good for the country and he urged the government to come up with more concrete measures to have Cambodia end its attacks.

If not, he said Cambodian troops will occupy more Thai territories and the disputed area will be completely taken over by Cambodia.

He slammed the government for devoting more of its time to take action against the PAD protesters rather than Cambodia.

-- Tan Network 2011-02-07

[whybother]

He added if such a demonstration occurs in any other country, its leader would have stepped down.

Maybe he can give some examples of where a leader steps down if a couple of thousand people are protesting.

[SomTumTiger]

This old fool needs to go.

How many seats did New Politics Party win in their Bangkok city council election bid? Was it 0?

Yes, thats, right, it was 0. They have no support from even a minority. Just fringe loonies. (who have money or influence, unfortunately, which keeps them in the news).

[Moonrakers]

I used to think this guy was OK, now he scares me.

[h90]

He added if such a demonstration occurs in any other country, its leader would have stepped down.

Maybe he can give some examples of where a leader steps down if a couple of thousand people are protesting.

Vatican?

[MAC10]

Yellow shirts are writing checks the Thai Military cannot cash. If this goes off the rails, it may be the end of the fairytale for the Yellow and VIP Military. Whoever is going to win is going to have to win by kicking a$$, not shooting unarmed civilians.

[geovalin]

He added if such a demonstration occurs in any other country, its leader would have stepped down.

Maybe he can give some examples of where a leader steps down if a couple of thousand people are protesting.

In the meanwhile we can give him some examples of where the invaders of the House of Gvt (10 downing street, in example), airports are calming down in a jail and where hysterical nationalists inciting hate and war are asked to shut up.

[geovalin]

He added if such a demonstration occurs in any other country, its leader would have stepped down.

Maybe he can give some examples of where a leader steps down if a couple of thousand people are protesting.

Vatican?

In the Vatican, it's not step down but kneel down.

[Macmundi]

Just arrest this looney first. Save us the drama (and traffic jam).

[Robby nz]

Chamlong insisted if the government declares a state of emergency, PAD core leaders and himself are ready to be arrested, saying the loss of freedom is better than the loss of territory.

Good lets get them behind bars.

A little while back the reds were getting all the publisity and the yellows had to think of something to get them back in the headlines.

Methinks they picked on the wrong thing but they now cant back down without making themselves look like complete fools to their few supporters.

But hay they look like that anyway to the rest of the country.

[jonclark]

Give him a gun and let him go and get shot - war mongering armchair general stuck in the past and unable to accept the 21st century realities

[animatic]

He added if such a demonstration occurs in any other country, its leader would have stepped down.

Maybe he can give some examples of where a leader steps down if a couple of thousand people are protesting.

Vatican?

In the Vatican, it's not step down but kneel down.

I thought the VaticaN leader only left whEn he passed on?

[asiawatcher]

"... Parnthep said if the Thai government still does not carry out any action against Cambodia's statement, it will give more room to Cambodia's claims on the international stage that Thailand is invading its territory."

Wrong - quite the opposite! By being able to easily invade - be on the 'high' ground, and well capable of outgunning its lesser neighbour Cambo, Thailand is showing considerable restraint in the face of being urged to get "stuck into it". As it has done in the past - the MOU contains the terms of being able to equally work without the demarcation and that is precisely what the Govt is doing. These idiots in the PAD as already stated, are armchair generals and way out of touch. The world has moved on, the soon they do - the better we will all be.

[animatic]

If not, he said Cambodian troops will occupy more Thai territories

and the disputed area will be completely taken over by Cambodia.

Why not jast say Cambodia is using this as an excuse to over run all of Thailand?

It makes as much sense. Which is quite little.

[truethailand]

He also said the National Police chief Police General Wichien Podposri's proposed declaration of the promulgation of the Internal Security Act in the areas around Government House to prevent the PAD's occupation will bring about consequences upon himself when the present government is replaced.

when the present government is replaced..replaced by who, Peau Thai not a chance. So there is only one other group with political aspirations... He personally can do nothing to the current police chief but his mate can...when he takes power again. My logic says coup time again. Only in the interests of national security, of course. When a best mate of the coup maker makes statements like that it worries me. Please can somebody see this part of the statement in a different light and explain to me an alternative meaning. Help

[Sao Jiang Mai]

Lost any respect I ever had for him. Idiots the lot of them...PAD, reds...

[Insight]

This old fool needs to go.

How many seats did New Politics Party win in their Bangkok city council election bid? Was it 0?

Yes, thats, right, it was 0. They have no support from even a minority. Just fringe loonies. (who have money or influence, unfortunately, which keeps them in the news).

I'm sure I said something very similar a few days ago. I'm flattered

[hammered]

PAD wants to fuel the growing military-government divide and hope things fall their way.

[TAWP]

PAD stage say many Camb soldiers married Thais, had children w Thais. Beware of these children who may be spies via @terryfrd

[termad]

"... Parnthep said if the Thai government still does not carry out any action against Cambodia's statement, it will give more room to Cambodia's claims on the international stage that Thailand is invading its territory."

Wrong - quite the opposite! By being able to easily invade - be on the 'high' ground, and well capable of outgunning its lesser neighbour Cambo, Thailand is showing considerable restraint in the face of being urged to get "stuck into it". As it has done in the past - the MOU contains the terms of being able to equally work without the demarcation and that is precisely what the Govt is doing. These idiots in the PAD as already stated, are armchair generals and way out of touch. The world has moved on, the soon they do - the better we will all be.

Below is a previous post that I made and if you want to check the facts in it just set your search engine on 'Victory Monument' Bangkok and then follow the leads.

"It's about time that all Thai's recognised and admitted that they deservedly lost the temple and some surrounding land because they invaded two peaceful neighbours (Cambodia and Laos) in 1942 after being equiped by the Japanese with weapons and fighter planes.

France was then under the Vichy government and the only French nationals present in Laos and Cambodia were some 10,000 farmers and other assorted civilians armed with shotguns and the like who obviously stood no chance against a large well equiped Thai army. In 1942 the Thais erected the Victory Monument in Bangkok to celebrate their glorious victory.

Unfortunately, for Thailand Japan was beaten and it was given 24 hours to get out of the seized areas by Mountbatten. Again, unfortunately for Thailand the team that was appointed to draw the borders after the war were all French cartographers and yes they most probably did make a few sqiggles in the line that they drew as the Cambodian/Thai border (and who could blame them) so Thailand lost the Temple and land and also a few other small areas along the borders.

They have as much chance of getting the Temple back as the Germans have of getting back the German land that Poland took,the Polish land that Russia took or the Japanese islands that Russia took. It's also only a matter of time before Hun Sen has a cable car for tourists installed at the base of the cliff so he can then, if he wants to, close the Thai entrance to the Temple and the present Thai attitude will hasten that line of thought"

(Note the 10,000 or so French farmers most probably finished up in Japanese concentration camps).

The Yellow Shirts and other Thai Nationalist organisations like to forget why Thailand lost the Temple and in fact most Thais would be unable to tell you why the Victory Monument was built in 1942 as it's not taught in Thai schools. So your statement that Thailand is showing considerable restraint as it has done in the past is incorrect as what it has done in the past is to get away with it. Thailand is lucky that it was not declared a hostile nation as part of the Axis as they could have lost a lot more than a few kilometres here and there along the border.

Edited February 7, 2011 by termad

[whybother]

Below is a previous post that I made and if you want to check the facts in it just set your search engine on 'Victory Monument' Bangkok and then follow the leads.

"It's about time that all Thai's recognised and admitted that they deservedly lost the temple and some surrounding land because they invaded two peaceful neighbours (Cambodia and Laos) in 1942 after being equiped by the Japanese with weapons and fighter planes.

France was then under the Vichy government and the only French nationals present in Laos and Cambodia were some 10,000 farmers and other assorted civilians armed with shotguns and the like who obviously stood no chance against a large well equiped Thai army. In 1942 the Thais erected the Victory Monument in Bangkok to celebrate their glorious victory.

Unfortunately, for Thailand Japan was beaten and it was given 24 hours to get out of the seized areas by Mountbatten. Again, unfortunately for Thailand the team that was appointed to draw the borders after the war were all French cartographers and yes they most probably did make a few sqiggles in the line that they drew as the Cambodian/Thai border (and who could blame them) so Thailand lost the Temple and land and also a few other small areas along the borders.

They have as much chance of getting the Temple back as the Germans have of getting back the German land that Poland took,the Polish land that Russia took or the Japanese islands that Russia took. It's also only a matter of time before Hun Sen has a cable car for tourists installed at the base of the cliff so he can then, if he wants to, close the Thai entrance to the Temple and the present Thai attitude will hasten that line of thought"

(Note the 10,000 or so French farmers most probably finished up in Japanese concentration camps).

The Yellow Shirts and other Thai Nationalist organisations like to forget why Thailand lost the Temple and in fact most Thais would be unable to tell you why the Victory Monument was built in 1942 as it's not taught in Thai schools. So your statement that Thailand is showing considerable restraint as it has done in the past is incorrect as what it has done in the past is to get away with it. Thailand is lucky that it was not declared a hostile nation as part of the Axis as they could have lost a lot more than a few kilometres here and there along the border.

Maybe you want to do a search of Victory Monument and check your facts. Victory Monument was erected in 1941. The French forces in Indochina consisted of 50,000 men, compared to the Thai forces of 60,000 men. The French had tanks and planes, but were outnumbered by the Thais.

The borders were drawn by the French in 1904-1907, and re-enforced after the Japanese lost the war and the French government threatened to veto Thailand's membership of the UN.

These facts were brought to you by wikipedia, but if you have any links showing your post is not utter <deleted>, please provide them.

[Joop50]

He added if such a demonstration occurs in any other country, its leader would have stepped down.

Maybe he can give some examples of where a leader steps down if a couple of thousand people are protesting.

Vatican?

In the Vatican, it's not step down but kneel down.

And open your mouth

[creck]

Below is a previous post that I made and if you want to check the facts in it just set your search engine on 'Victory Monument' Bangkok and then follow the leads.

"It's about time that all Thai's recognised and admitted that they deservedly lost the temple ...

...Thailand is lucky that it was not declared a hostile nation as part of the Axis as they could have lost a lot more than a few kilometres here and there along the border.

Maybe you want to do a search of Victory Monument and check your facts. Victory Monument was erected in 1941. The French forces in Indochina consisted of 50,000 men, compared to the Thai forces of 60,000 men. The French had tanks and planes, but were outnumbered by the Thais.

The borders were drawn by the French in 1904-1907, and re-enforced after the Japanese lost the war and the French government threatened to veto Thailand's membership of the UN.

These facts were brought to you by wikipedia, but if you have any links showing your post is not utter <deleted>, please provide them.

The temple and grounds were not really lost to Thailand until 1962 when the International Court of Justice decided that the map of the area drawn by the French surveyors after the 1904-07 treaty had legal force. Even though it was shown to have an error. The treaty is quite clear that the watershed is the border. The proceedings of the 1962 judgment is clear that the line of the watershed is south of the temple and the temple should be part of Thailand. However, the fact that Siam was ‘silent’ about the map was taken as acceptance of the map. The idea that the French deliberately ‘Wiggled’ the line to obtain the temple, was conventional wisdom. I was in agreement with that misconception that until I read more about the ICJ proceedings in the last two days.

The decision was a majority decision (9-3) and if you want to understand why it is a bad decision read the Dissenting opinion of judge Sir Percy Spender at http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/45/4885.pdf which is very long and quite verbose. Or see my much shorter post in the thread ‘UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon 'Deeply Concerned' On Thailand-Cambodia Spat’

[AleG]

He also said the National Police chief Police General Wichien Podposri's proposed declaration of the promulgation of the Internal Security Act in the areas around Government House to prevent the PAD's occupation will bring about consequences upon himself when the present government is replaced.

when the present government is replaced..replaced by who, Peau Thai not a chance. So there is only one other group with political aspirations... He personally can do nothing to the current police chief but his mate can...when he takes power again. My logic says coup time again. Only in the interests of national security, of course. When a best mate of the coup maker makes statements like that it worries me. Please can somebody see this part of the statement in a different light and explain to me an alternative meaning. Help

It's an unequivocal threat against the police chief, that's for certain.

[AZBill]

Leaders anywhere in the world would step down over a few protestors? Really? What an asenine statement to make. It shows he is completely out of touch with the rest of the world. I cant think of anywhere in the world where such a protest would result in a change of government. Even in Egypt where there is absolute chaos the government is holding firm. Does Thailand really want this idiot and his kind guiding the country's foriegn policy? I certainly hope not. Maybe a few folks could gather and protest against him at the Dubliner and he wil go away!

[animatic]

PAD stage say many Camb soldiers married Thais, had children w Thais. Beware of these children who may be spies via @terryfrd

These people are right round the twist.

OMG they might be spies, better lock them up or worse just in case.

Nice way to treat their fellow Thais.

God knows how they want to treat the hill tribes born and raised in Thailand to Thai registered parents. Oh no! Their blood is not pure, run them off, just in case they are trying to ruin the Thai People, that our leaders have worked so hard to create!

This is what you get when no one has the balls to rewrite the history books to show the neighbors as real people too.

Edited February 8, 2011 by animatic

[SomTumTiger]

I have maintained from the beginning. Both the Reds and Yellows are idiots, and have no business dictating the national agenda. They are fringe wackos and should be ignored as such.

[animatic]

It's good to be hated by both extremes,

it means you have a reasonable position.

Edited February 8, 2011 by animatic

[webfact]

PAD to file suit with Court if Cabinet invokes Internal Security Act; delegation to visit Kantaraluck, Si Sa Ket on Feb 11 /TAN_Network

[whybother]

OMG. Have the PAD totally lost it?

Now they want the RTA to take over Angkor Wat.