webfact Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Multi Million ATM Fraud 2 Frenchmen Arrested Foreign ATM fraudsters were arrested By Pattaya Police. The victims were found to have lost up to a million Baht each. Pattaya, 15th February 2011 [PDN] : At approximately 05.30 pm of Tuesday, Pol. Col. Nanthawut Suwanlaorng (Pattaya Police Superintendent) and his investigation team cooperating with the police officers from Chon Buri Transnational Suppression Unit announced the arrest of two foreign ATM fraudsters, Mr. Ali Ennouri (28) and Mr. Alexandre Giro Zinno (29) both of French nationality. The evidence discovered included an ATM and credit card copy machine called a “skimmer”, a notebook recording several of the victims passwords, two of ATM and credit cards, and 100,000 baht cash. The superintendent revealed that the police had been informed by Thai Commercial Bank, reporting that customers’ had been relieved of money up to a million baht, taken from their accounts by the foreign gang. The method used was to copy the victim’electronic cards.Subsequently, the police received information from the bank officer (working in a Thai Commercial bank exchange box in South Pattaya) noticing a group of suspicious foreigners who were using the ATM there. The police team were then dispatched to inspect at the scene apprehending the suspects, finding several items of evidence that were in a belt bag. Full story and pictures: HERE -- Pattaya Daily News 2010-02-16 [newsfooter][/newsfooter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 Two French ATM Skimming suspects caught by Pattaya Police PATTAYA: -- Two French Nationals, accused of a multi-million Baht ATM skimming operation based in Pattaya have been arrested by Pattaya Police. On Tuesday Afternoon at Pattaya Police Station, Police Colonel Nantawoot, the Pattaya Police Chief announced the arrest of Mr. Ali Ennouri aged 28 and Mr. Alexandrie Giro Zinno aged 29, both French passport holders. They were arrested outside a Siam Commercial Bank Booth in South Pattaya after staff became suspicious of the two men who appeared to be assisting mostly elderly foreigner with their ATM transactions. The men were caught with ATM skimming equipment, including a blank credit card, laptop computer and 100,000 Baht in cash, along with a small book containing credit card numbers and pin numbers of almost 20 foreigners, all of them were found to be elderly and therefore vulnerable to such a scam. Full story HERE -- Pattaya One 2011-02-16 [newsfooter][/newsfooter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableguy Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Hope the scumbags get some serious time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 How did they originally get hold of the cards so they could skim them? Running a restaurant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatcharanan Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 How did they originally get hold of the cards so they could skim them? Running a restaurant? They sometimes use a 'false front' which covers the original face of the ATM. This then records card info and PINS and is passed wirelessly onto one of the fraudsters nearby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarpSpeed Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Yep I always look the machine over before putting in my card, if anything looks dodgy I find another one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colabamumbai Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 How did they originally get hold of the cards so they could skim them? Running a restaurant? They sometimes use a 'false front' which covers the original face of the ATM. This then records card info and PINS and is passed wirelessly onto one of the fraudsters nearby. Yes exactly and some restaurant waiters can use skimmers and your info goes to Hong Kong and your credit card is used to the limit within hours. Never accept help at an ATM machine, preferably use one in a building, where many customers are using them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompoiman Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 french they must from one of the north african parts of the old colonial then , both look distinctly arabian to me not european??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appropriate Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Hope the scumbags get some serious time. British guy got 18 1/2 yrs in phuket 2 yrs ago. His teenage son 'Sonny' got 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Hang 'em high post removed from view, sensible contribution to the topic only please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggie888888 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 How did they originally get hold of the cards so they could skim them? Running a restaurant? They sometimes use a 'false front' which covers the original face of the ATM. This then records card info and PINS and is passed wirelessly onto one of the fraudsters nearby. My understanding is they can "skim" the card but the PIN cannot be read. The only way is if they observe you keying it in; if they skim your card with the contraption mounted on the face of the ATM, they also put a camera (which you assume is the bank's) behind you to see what numbers you key-in. Do the victims get reimbursed or is it bye-bye cash? Who is legally liable: bank or victim of fraud? I think in Australia it's the bank who will indemnify. In Thailand? My credit card was cloned about 10 years ago: purchases of some AUD20k was made, but I did not pay because I reported it as soon as I saw it on the statement. I wonder if bank would be as nice about it here in Thailand? Does anyone know the legal obligations of the banks in Thailand when it comes to fraud like these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tragickingdom Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I do not get these people, it underscores the fact that these kinds of people can only do hands on things that a well trained monkey can do too. If you do these kinds of things why doing it (and staying) in Pattaya? In Europe skimming is a real contagious disease that comes from Eastern Europe, their leaders seldom get caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurien Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) french they must from one of the north african parts of the old colonial then , both look distinctly arabian to me not european??????? don't forget: there is plenty of ethnics carrying a French passport: Original Lao, Vietnam, Cambodian, North & Central African, Guyana, Polynesians, repatriated Canadians, formerly migrated Eastern Bloc from Russia/Poland etc. Edited February 17, 2011 by thurien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julemanden Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 french they must from one of the north african parts of the old colonial then , both look distinctly arabian to me not european??????? Yeah look at their names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitterbatter Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Why is it that these ATM frauds are always happening in Pattaya? This question is rhetorical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumFarang Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I hope whatever punishment they get doesn't involve deporting them. They'll pay much more dearly being stuck here doing time in a Thai prison. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, not anywhere in SE Asia for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitterbatter Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) Don't mean to scare anyone, but you ought to know that another way to get card information is through scanning for RFID chips. You can be within ten feet of someone and read their card information, unless it is stored in a magnetized card holder. This of course does not give you the PIN number. More then likely, a fake atm slot device was used. A similar thing can be done using a bluetooth hack to grab information off of any nearby mobile devices. That is how Paris Hilton had her personal contacts stolen from her phone a few years ago. Edited February 17, 2011 by bitterbatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumFarang Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Don't mean to scare anyone, but you ought to know that another way to get card information is through scanning for RFID chips. You can be within ten feet of someone and read their card information, unless it is stored in a magnetized card holder. This of course does not give you the PIN number. More then likely, a fake atm slot device was used. Scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johncat1 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Don't deport them just keep them in a Thai jail until ALL money is refunded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aperturebkk Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 lock em up and throw away the key... also, the banks must return all funds to people caught in the middle... time for finger prints to be used as part of an atm pin ? i'm all for it.... top points to the bank employee for keeping an eye open.... he should head up the police force thailand wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiawatcher Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 french they must from one of the north african parts of the old colonial then , both look distinctly arabian to me not european??????? Yes not your 'average' Frenchmen - more like Algiers or Moroccan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anterian Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Whenever I use my English ATM card I get an automatic text message on my mobile asking if it was a genuine transaction. It seems a simple and effective system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philhal2 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 french they must from one of the north african parts of the old colonial then , both look distinctly arabian to me not european??????? don't forget: there is plenty of ethnics carrying a French passport: Original Lao, Vietnam, Cambodian, North & Central African, Guyana, Polynesians, repatriated Canadians, formerly migrated Eastern Bloc from Russia/Poland etc. You must be a sensitive French Person ? All people do evil and unfortunately some are French Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucjoker Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 french they must from one of the north african parts of the old colonial then , both look distinctly arabian to me not european??????? They dammage the name of their host country, so take away their french nationality,they obvious dont deserve it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolgeoff Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 quality goal time for them along with many others now.they will not be doing anything now for a few years but time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderpuff Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 The story says they were offering to assist elderly persons. That, to me, is how they got the PIN munbers. But don't let me stop you dreaming up all kinds of phony ATM machine scams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 A post advocating bodily harm has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggie888888 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 The story says they were offering to assist elderly persons. That, to me, is how they got the PIN munbers. But don't let me stop you dreaming up all kinds of phony ATM machine scams. PIN without the data strip of your ATM card is virtually useless. They still need to skim or clone or steal your card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elektrified Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 french they must from one of the north african parts of the old colonial then , both look distinctly arabian to me not european??????? Indeed they may be "...both of French nationality..." but they do not look like the French people I know in France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexth Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Why is it that these ATM frauds are always happening in Pattaya? This question is rhetorical. It's happening all over the world and also in Phuket and Bangkok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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