Baby Thai Passport Advice

[halfhead]

Im trying to get my baby a Thai passport,she is in Thailand and I am in Ireland.

I have been told I have to go to the Thai Embassy in London to sign some forms,I am trying to bring her Mother and the baby to Ireland to live,

My question is,can I just get the Baby an Irish passport first and bring them both here and get the Thai passport later?

I cant really do a trip to London at the moment,Ireland only has a consulate

any help would be great please

Thanks

[Maestro]

The child's mother should get him/her a Thai passport before they leave Thailand. It is a simple process and the passport is issued within a few days.

It will be useful for the child to get also the Irish passport but I don't see how you can get that for him/her with him/her being in Thailand and you in Ireland. The mother will have to attend to that, I guess.

Once the child has both passports he/she will use the Thai passport to exit and enter Thailand, the Irish passport to enter and exit Ireland and other countries along the way as may be necessary. This way the child will need no visa for Ireland, only the mother will need it. When the time comes for the mother to apply for the visa and you have any questions, please feel free to post them in the forum "Visas and migration to other countries".

[Morpheus73]

@halfhead

Hi,

i can only add experiences from a german perspective as i am german citizen. To get the Thai passport for my son was a piece of cake. The mother of your child should know how to achieve that. My son got his Thai passport when he was 2 years old.

He has a german passport as well. The procedure there requires that you have to be present at your embassy. Every step is actually driven by the mother of your child. At least in the german system as long as i am not married to my thai girlfriend legal custody is 100% in the hands of my girlfriend.

As far as i know there is a Thai document so called Por Khor 14 where you can arrange split custody at least in TH even when not married. This document is not legal in germany.

But back to the german passport. I had to sign first for the fatherhood of our son. My girfriend had to sign it as well of course. I did in parallel a statement of the name. So our son has now my last name even not married. This is fully legal in germany and can't be changed back (in germany).

Once this document has been send to germany my girlfriend (not me) was able to request a german passport for our son. Took 4 weeks and the passport came from Berlin to the German embassy in Bangkok where my girlfriend had to pick it up.

Don't know how that all works in your "irish case" but i guess similar.

Cheers,

Morpheus

[Monkeypants]

Hi Morpheus,

Just interested in your above post,

I thought that a German national could not hold dual nationality?

Back to the OP,

I had to sign a form at the ministry of foreign affairs here in Thailand last week in order for my British/Thai son to aquire his Thai passport.

Perhaps the Thai Embassy in London could post you the forms to sign ?

[lopburi3]

Both parents must sign paperwork to obtain a Thai passport so suspect the Embassy trip is just to provide that signature paperwork and perhaps the Irish Consulate could perform such service.

[Mario2008]

Hi Morpheus,

Just interested in your above post,

I thought that a German national could not hold dual nationality?

Back to the OP,

I had to sign a form at the ministry of foreign affairs here in Thailand last week in order for my British/Thai son to aquire his Thai passport.

Perhaps the Thai Embassy in London could post you the forms to sign ?

That is a great misunderstanding. Germany does allow dual nationality, but as most European countries only in special curcumstances. Being born with 2 nationalities is one of those curcumstances dual naitonality is allowed.

[Monkeypants]

That is a great misunderstanding. Germany does allow dual nationality, but as most European countries only in special curcumstances. Being born with 2 nationalities is one of those curcumstances dual naitonality is allowed.

Thanks for that.

As I said earlier I was just interested.

Thanks for letting me know :jap:

[Maestro]

Both parents must sign paperwork to obtain a Thai passport so suspect the Embassy trip is just to provide that signature paperwork and perhaps the Irish Consulate could perform such service.

I'm not sure how it is when the parents are not married. We also don't know if this Irishman, if not married to the child's mother, is named on the birth certificate as having reported the birth. Would this make a difference?

[Morpheus73]

Both parents must sign paperwork to obtain a Thai passport so suspect the Embassy trip is just to provide that signature paperwork and perhaps the Irish Consulate could perform such service.

I'm not sure how it is when the parents are not married. We also don't know if this Irishman, if not married to the child's mother, is named on the birth certificate as having reported the birth. Would this make a difference?

As said earlier in our case i was 0% envolved to obtain the Thai passport for my son. And actually why should i technically. Our situation were as followed:

- Son born in Thailand, Bangkok Pattaya International hospital

- Thai birth certificate all arrange through the hospital, i received a german and english translation of the doument autmatically, cost for a C-section delivery 3 days hosiptal 31,000 Baht, all arranged via my girlffriend (date 15/12/07)

- In the thai birth certificate my name as the father and my passport number was mentioned

- My girfriend arranged alone his thai passport when he was 2 years old, now he is 3

- I signed a so called "Vaterschaftsanerkennung" at the german embassy to accept the fatherhood. The mother has to agree in that. It is a full mother driven process as we both not married

- Girlfriend asked and signed name change request at german embassy. The german government do not care what is mention in the tai passport or the birth certificate. For the formal process both mother and father had to show up at the embassy

- Once all this has signed by both father and mother the german passport could be requested, my son had to be present for the request even if no biometric data was required. The passport request for the german passport was only signed by my girlfriend

- After 3 weeks she could pick up the passport at the german embassy

Recently the rule in germany has changed and he has german citizenship for life-time. Only if he would decide to join as a career soldier Thai forces he would have to give his passport and therby german citizenship away

Cheers,

Morpheus

[lopburi3]

Both parents must sign paperwork to obtain a Thai passport so suspect the Embassy trip is just to provide that signature paperwork and perhaps the Irish Consulate could perform such service.

I'm not sure how it is when the parents are not married. We also don't know if this Irishman, if not married to the child's mother, is named on the birth certificate as having reported the birth. Would this make a difference?

Not married? Where was that stated? I did not see it and can not find it. As he said was trying to get both baby and mother to Ireland believed was a married family.

If no father on birth certificate would not think getting passport by mother would be a problem.

[Mario2008]

Not sure if they are married, but it would make a great difference.

If they are not married and the father didn't legitimize the child the motehr would have sole custody and can apply for a Thai pasport by herself. For that she would need to go to the amphur to get a khor por 14 first. That form shows she has sole custody.

See: http://www.mfa.go.th/web/473.php?id=3167

[Maestro]

Not married? Where was that stated? I did not see it and can not find it. As he said was trying to get both baby and mother to Ireland believed was a married family.

If no father on birth certificate would not think getting passport by mother would be a problem.

It was the OP's oblique reference to "her Mother and the baby" that made me think the the father is not married to the mother. (And reading the OP again I figured out that the baby is female) He could, of course, be married to the mother. It has ceased to amaze me how some married men seem to think that "wife" is a dirty word and use "partner" instead or "my child's mother"