webfact Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Thai, Cambodian troops exchange heavy border fire by Anusak Konglang BANGKOK, April 23, 2011 (AFP) - Heavy fighting broke out again Saturday between Thai and Cambodian soldiers, a day after six died in the bloodiest border clash since the UN appealed for a permanent ceasefire in February. The two neighbours have fought a series of deadly gunbattles in recent years in disputed jungle near ancient temples strung out along the frontier, which has never been fully demarcated, partly because it is littered with landmines. "Fresh fighting started at around 6 am (2300 GMT Friday) with rifles and mortar shelling at the same flash point" as Friday's clash, said a Thai army spokesman in the border region, Colonel Prawit Hookaew. "We are negotiating to stop the fighting," he said. Cambodia confirmed the latest outbreak of hostilities. "The fighting started at 6:15 am. It involves artillery shelling," said defence ministry spokesman Chhum Socheat in Phnom Penh. There were no immediate reports of casualties in Saturday's violence. Friday's clash was the first serious outbreak of hostilities since February when 10 people were killed in fighting near the 900-year-old Hindu temple Preah Vihear, prompting UN Security Council members to call for a lasting ceasefire. The latest fighting, which left three soldiers dead on each side on Friday and more than a dozen others wounded, took place near a different group of temples over 100 kilometres away from Preah Vihear. Indonesia, which holds the rotating chairmanship of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) regional bloc, called for an immediate end to the violence. "Indonesia, as current chair of ASEAN, strongly calls for the immediate cessation of hostilities between Cambodia and Thailand," Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa said in a statement released on Friday. The two sides blamed each other for Friday's clash, which lasted for more than six hours and prompted thousands of villagers to flee the border area. Ties between the neighbours have been strained since Preah Vihear -- the most celebrated example of ancient Khmer architecture outside Cambodia's Angkor -- was granted UN World Heritage status in July 2008. The World Court ruled in 1962 that the temple belonged to Cambodia, but both countries claim ownership of a 4.6 square kilometre (1.8 square mile) surrounding area. Observers say the temple dispute has been used as a rallying point to stir nationalist sentiment in Thailand and Cambodia. The two countries agreed in late February to allow Indonesian observers in the area near Preah Vihear, but the Thai military has since said they are not welcome and they have yet to be deployed. Cambodia has called for outside mediation to help end the standoff, but Thailand insists the dispute should be resolved through bilateral talks. Thailand recently admitted using controversial Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munitions during the February fighting but insisted it did not classify them as cluster munitions. The arms are defined as cluster munitions by the global campaign group Cluster Munition Coalition (CMC), which condemned Thailand's use of the weapons. -- (c) Copyright AFP 2011-04-23 related information Thai, Cambodian Troops In New Border Clash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted April 23, 2011 Author Share Posted April 23, 2011 Thai and Cambodian troops clash again at Ta Muen Thom temple in Surin; locals evacuated /TAN_Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted April 23, 2011 Author Share Posted April 23, 2011 Report from Thai/Cambodian border by @NattieKhe says still fighting: "I can confirm it's very louder than yesterday" /via@RichardBarrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krungbin Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 I am not too far from where it takes place. Can still hear the sound of the guns... Brother of GF, who lives in Ban Kruat, had shells landing in his property yesterday and called half an hour ago saying he was evacuating his family as it is now 'really getting close"... Cannot understand the RT Armed forces... instead of buying additional Viggen fighters and subs, they should seriously consider acquiring "ARTHUR" ( "Artillery Hunting Radar") systems! And very quickly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geovalin Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 instead of buying additional Viggen fighters and subs, they should seriously consider acquiring "ARTHUR" ( "Artillery Hunting Radar") systems! And very quickly! All of us and all Thai population know the real reasons of the purchase of this or that by army. And it's not related to military issues. Nothing to be ashamed, it happens every where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted April 23, 2011 Author Share Posted April 23, 2011 one post deleted. If you have a complaint regarding news posting by Admin or Moderator you can send a PM to the OP or to support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricci Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Brother of GF, who lives in Ban Kruat, had shells landing in his property yesterday...... absolutely NO shells in Ban Kruat......please do not spread panic we have already enough problems here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semoa Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Since 6:30 I thaught it was thunder, but Ban Kruat and Ta Muan are about 40 km... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricci Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 0830....still firing windows are shaking more frequently. 150 minutes with at least 40 artillery shells per minute.....do the math odd thought comes to mind: anyone else experienced the silence (on both sides) from 0800 to 0802 while the national anthem was on tv? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricci Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) Since 6:30 I thaught it was thunder, but Ban Kruat and Ta Muan are about 40 km... artillery shells do not use roads ..... Ban Kruat is only 10-15 km away from Ta Muan so when the cambodians bring the 205 mm.......better go to Prakhon Chai :-(( Edited April 23, 2011 by Ricci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP25 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Cannot understand the RT Armed forces... instead of buying additional Viggen fighters and subs, they should seriously consider acquiring "ARTHUR" ( "Artillery Hunting Radar") systems! And very quickly! They have counter battery radar, and I believe have ordered more modern systems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geovalin Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 0830....still firing windows are shaking more frequently. 150 minutes with at least 40 artillery shells per minute.....do the math I don't think the Cambodians will be able to maintain this rate, they'll be soon short in ammunition. odd thought comes to mind: anyone else experienced the silence (on both sides) from 0800 to 0802 while the national anthem was on tv? Cambodians don't mind about Thai anthem tradition. "Bilateral is the best. What we mean by bilateral is WAR as we expect to win. If real negotiation in front of honest observers, Cambodia could win." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricci Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 still firing....for 3 hours now another thing: do they have advanced scouts? i don't think so. it seems they shoot randomly, without a plan. so all the advanced technology would be a waste .... those two armies are like eunuchs: they maybe know how to do it......but they can't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted April 23, 2011 Author Share Posted April 23, 2011 Deputy PM Suthep says Thailand does not want to go to war with Cambodia and does not want 3rd party to intervene in conflict /TAN_Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Brother of GF, who lives in Ban Kruat, had shells landing in his property yesterday...... absolutely NO shells in Ban Kruat......please do not spread panic we have already enough problems here Absolutely, in the district yes, but not in the town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDavid Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 It's amazing how little News, or Leadership there is during the conflict. Especially today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajaan Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Such a tragic shame that this is happening in Surin, where 70% of the population is made up of the ancient Khmers residing on land the Thais colonized... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToffeEFCpower Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Do both sides have a ceasefire for breakfast, morning tea, lunch, brunch, afternoon tea, dinner and supper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricci Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Brother of GF, who lives in Ban Kruat, had shells landing in his property yesterday...... absolutely NO shells in Ban Kruat......please do not spread panic we have already enough problems here Absolutely, in the district yes, but not in the town. perhaps they have evacuated people in the Buriram province, but... are there any shell impacts confirmed in Chan Thop Phet or Sai Taku? i believe they only fire on Surin province soil.... whatever......no fun at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 More posts deleted. Stay on topic, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Deleted one nonsensical post and the valid complaint about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricci Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 09:40 it's getting hot..... they're firing less frequently now. dropped down to 5-10 shells per minute. perhaps the bilateral "somtam-prahok" break :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Surin hospitals on high alert SURIN: -- The latest skirmish between Thai and Cambodian troops in Surin province early on Friday has injured thirteen Thai soldiers and four soliders were killed, Public Health Ministry reported yesterday. The ministry reported that ten of them were sent to Phanomdongrak Hospital before transferred to Surin Hospital to receive medical treatment. The other three were sent to other military hospitals. Two of ten soldiers were serious injured from the clash. They will be sent to recieve medication at Pramongkut hospital, Public Health Minister Jurin Laksanawisit said. The clash erupted at about 6 am near the Ta Kwai Temple in Tambon Bakdai of Surin, Phanom Dongrak district. The exchange of rifle and artillery fires forced residents in about 20 villages in district to evacuate to safe areas. Jurin said he has instructed all Surin Hospital and other three hospitals including Kab Cherng, Bua Ched, and Phanomdongrak Chalermprakiat to be prepared around the clock to provide emergency medical services to affect people. Medicine, medical supplies, emergency room and surgical equipment should be prepared to handle with the emergency accidents, he said. Jurin also ordered hospital's staff to work with related agency to provide care for 3,000 people who evacuated from their villages to three temporary shelters including Nikhomprasat site in Prasat district, Kokklang school and Taniwitthaya school. "A medical mobile team and health volunteers have already provided mental and physical care services to affected people who stay in shelter," he said. -- The Nation 2011-04-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunkin2012 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 at 7.38 am ,the OP....with the summary of Friday's news + more details CMC and so on. who can update the current ................situation? still exchanging gun fire...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunkin2012 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) 09:40 it's getting hot..... they're firing less frequently now. dropped down to 5-10 shells per minute. perhaps the bilateral "somtam-prahok" break :/ Goody............... they are takin' a break.... Do they know that it's Sat.? Most of the people ....don't go to work.... they ain't have respect, do they? how close are you to 'em? .......... keep updatin' the situation ...thankx.........dude.. Edited April 23, 2011 by dunkin2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricci Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) 40 shells a minute!!!!! and only 8 dead? some things wrong with this information. as i've already mentioned, they shoot randomly. i believe they have no advanced artillery scouts checking the impact zones. Edited April 23, 2011 by Scott flame and response edited out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meelousee Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Since 6:30 I thaught it was thunder, but Ban Kruat and Ta Muan are about 40 km... artillery shells do not use roads ..... Ban Kruat is only 10-15 km away from Ta Muan so when the cambodians bring the 205 mm.......better go to Prakhon Chai :-(( 105mm not 205,, Charge 7 HE Nato Range 7miles(11.26km) New 105mm/M913 RAP 14km They dont have this one Yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finnomick Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Thailand should say " here have your little temple --we are a rich and industrious country it is of no real consequence to raise the dust off the land for". The world court has already said Cambodia owns it. 40 shells a minute!!!!! and only 8 dead? some things wrong with this information. I don't see any reason to live down there unless you cant afford, or are too young for a retirement visa and you can cheaply hop the border. Well Fishface, I have built our family home in the village where my wife comes from, and where most of her family live = enough reason to live here. I agree with your first comment re: the temple, but please, don't comment on where people live or should live -- it's their choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishinsiam Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) I would say lets hope sense prevails but we are talking aboutt the 'face' mindset in both countries. This could get worse before it gets better. The Thai's have never been in a real war yet Cambodia was for a long time I know who my money would be on. Edited April 23, 2011 by englishinsiam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Brother of GF, who lives in Ban Kruat, had shells landing in his property yesterday...... absolutely NO shells in Ban Kruat......please do not spread panic we have already enough problems here Absolutely, in the district yes, but not in the town. perhaps they have evacuated people in the Buriram province, but... are there any shell impacts confirmed in Chan Thop Phet or Sai Taku? i believe they only fire on Surin province soil.... whatever......no fun at all Yes, shells have impacted in this province, a mate had one in his paddy fields yesterday. People are evacuating from Tambon Chantopbej (sp) from Sai Tho Nueng to Sip Song. Had an SMS from Fatfather about 30 mins ago ..... "Hi Thad, I moved my family to Ban Kruat, Soi X is not safe any more" The shelling appears to have stopped now, and for the last hour of it, it was much further away from my present position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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