Pedzie Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hi I'm a newbie, I have been reading the forum for a few months now and I have learned a lot from the topics etc, Thanks in advance :-) 1 Question tho, Do all the Indian tailors i have come across on my travels in Bangkok-Pattaya-Samui have a work permit or a residence permit ? I'm just curious as i have read on here and other places that obtaining a work permit is difficult for many people, even farang beer bar owners aren't allowed a work permit if they own a bar. So how come so many Indians have these tailor shops and they work in them themselves and employ no Thai nationals ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tw25rw Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Some if not most have been in Thailand for generations and are fluent in Thai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satcommlee Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Let me correct the most obvious assumption... Most are Bangladeshi and not Indian and as pointed out are well established in the community over generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedzie Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 The few i have spoken to are from India, a few being 3-4. But thanks guys, I just never thought that Indians or Bangladeshi's would have been in Thailand for generations. Learn something new everyday. Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 There are the owners and then there are the touts. If you ask the nationality of the touts, they are often from Nepal. I also wonder about their legality ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze01 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 The obvious question is, if these people have been here for generations, are they actually Thai citizens? If someone is born in Thailand to foreign parents, do they automatically gain Thai citizenship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 (edited) The obvious question is, if these people have been here for generations, are they actually Thai citizens? If someone is born in Thailand to foreign parents, do they automatically gain Thai citizenship? Not such great questions as so many Indians have been THAI NATIONALITY for so long. Who knows what the immigration laws were like so long ago when their ancestors came here but they became Thai, just as so many CHINESE immigrants did as well. Anyway, question 1, yes for the ones who are Thai, question 2, no. Edited August 30, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 The obvious question is, if these people have been here for generations, are they actually Thai citizens? If someone is born in Thailand to foreign parents, do they automatically gain Thai citizenship? Re: Thai Indians-Of course they are. Pre 1971 anyone born on Thai soil was automatically a Thai citizen, regardless of their parents immigration status. From 1971 onwards, one parent needed to be a Thai citizen for Thai citizenship to be transmitted, or both parents needed to have PR in the case of being born to foreigners in Thailand for the child to be a Thai citizen. Those born between 1971 and 1992 on Thai soil to foreign parents, and who have maintained an ongoing an verifiable link to Thailand are now also able to register at their local ampur for Thai citizenship. This last one came into affect with the passing of the 2008 version of the Thai nationality act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedzie Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 (edited) Not such great questions as so many Indians have been THAI NATIONALITY for so long. Who knows what the immigration laws were like so long ago when their ancestors came here but they became Thai, just as so many CHINESE immigrants did as well. Funny you mention the Chinese immigrants, I watched a docu about the plight of the sea gypsie's in Phuket last week, they are being forced to relocate due to the expansion of hotels etc on the Island, such a shame really. Edited August 30, 2011 by Pedzie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Some if not most have been in Thailand for generations and are fluent in Thai. Which is largely forgotten. Indians and Persians have long histories here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 A long time ago I once knew an American guy in his late 70s who came to Thailand in 1946 after serving his military service in Burma during WW2. Within a week he obtained a Thai wife and soon after managed to buy herself Thai citizenship for 10000 baht, which was a small fortune in those days. At that time the local Thais placed little value on land and he was able to somehow purchase a huge plot right inside the town of Chiang Mai for a pittance and had a huge house built on the land costing hundreds of bahts rather than thousands. He had several Thai mistresses on the go, having children with most of them, that was not thought of as improper in those days, especially if you were considered a rich farang, treated almost like a King. How times have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ang Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Most of them are from the Northern part (New Delhi area) in India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superskunk Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 If they are not Thai citizens they also need 4 Thai employees. Some of them use the names of the massage girls around the corner in their business papers. The girls get 500 Bt./month to "borrow" their names. If there is a immigration check (and they really check the indian tailors too) the tailor will tell the girls are out to eat. He will make some calls and 15 minutes later the staff will be there. I heard this from ONE indian tailor... dont know about the other 218982. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSnapper Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 If they are not Thai citizens they also need 4 Thai employees. Some of them use the names of the massage girls around the corner in their business papers. The girls get 500 Bt./month to "borrow" their names. If there is a immigration check (and they really check the indian tailors too) the tailor will tell the girls are out to eat. He will make some calls and 15 minutes later the staff will be there. I heard this from ONE indian tailor... dont know about the other 218982. Clever! That is really Indian - have a solution for every problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) Not such great questions as so many Indians have been THAI NATIONALITY for so long. Who knows what the immigration laws were like so long ago when their ancestors came here but they became Thai, just as so many CHINESE immigrants did as well. Funny you mention the Chinese immigrants, I watched a docu about the plight of the sea gypsie's in Phuket last week, they are being forced to relocate due to the expansion of hotels etc on the Island, such a shame really. As you refer to the variety of Chinese that sought life in Siam by the 1850s through the 1890s, it's still rather vague as to the "legal" status that the Mongkut and Chulalongkorn eras place upon these newcoming populations. Needless to say, they had immediate social, political and economic impact and influence - as they do today. I've known more than a few Chinese/part-Chinese contemporaries that have suggested that their ancestors just came......set up camp, became networked, sometimes marrying a local [Thai] - without official cause nor concern. Edited August 31, 2011 by zzaa09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonto21 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Some if not most have been in Thailand for generations and are fluent in Thai. And cockney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madivad Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) Some if not most have been in Thailand for generations and are fluent in Thai. And cockney And Aussie, I don't know how many times I hear from them: "G'day mate," and even things like, "How's it Hanging!" ROFL Back on the original question: I've often wondered about this, and the Nepalese too. Are they as integrated as well? You do hear of the occasional one being arrested, but they're back a few hours later, or at worst, the next day. Edited August 31, 2011 by Madivad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedzie Posted August 31, 2011 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 Not such great questions as so many Indians have been THAI NATIONALITY for so long. Who knows what the immigration laws were like so long ago when their ancestors came here but they became Thai, just as so many CHINESE immigrants did as well. Funny you mention the Chinese immigrants, I watched a docu about the plight of the sea gypsie's in Phuket last week, they are being forced to relocate due to the expansion of hotels etc on the Island, such a shame really. As you refer to the variety of Chinese that sought life in Siam by the 1850s through the 1890s, it's still rather vague as to the "legal" status that the Mongkut and Chulalongkorn eras place upon these newcoming populations. Needless to say, they had immediate social, political and economic impact and influence - as they do today. I've known more than a few Chinese/part-Chinese contemporaries that have suggested that their ancestors just came......set up camp, became networked, sometimes marrying a local [Thai] - without official cause nor concern. I noticed on Koh Pha ngan there was a lot of ethnic Chinese people, i wasn't aware of this until i stayed on the island for a few weeks, i never expected this at all, i thought Thailand was just Thai's, it's such an interesting country, much more still to learn :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze01 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) Not such great questions as so many Indians have been THAI NATIONALITY for so long. Well, the reason people ask questions is to learn the answers. Edited August 31, 2011 by KeyserSoze01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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