Toyota V8 Exhaust Pipes Length/Size

[tifino]

 

looking forward to the first video...

 

bravado, and dutch courage unite!

 

[melvinmelvin]

21 hours ago, tifino said:

 

looking forward to the first video...

 

bravado, and dutch courage unite!

 

sorry, think I have to disappoint you,

so far life has not equipped me with a video camera

(might change, who knows)

 

[tifino]

Just now, melvinmelvin said:

 

sorry, think I have to disappoint you,

so far life has not equipped me with a video camera

(might change, who knows)

 

 

that's okay

 

- it will take time to get a waterproof one, considering all the spray!!

 

 

[EvilDrSomkid]

Get a Go Pro. You'll love it.

[melvinmelvin]

 

pics attached tested

 

 

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

Right,

will try an update of status re the new boat.

 

Was launched in August last year. Engine installed some time in September, late I guess.

Since then Murphy has been popping in frequenty and occationally for long stays.

Have been through a large number of problems, some very time consuming to sort.

 

(always a bit tricky to adapt old equipment to new boat)

 

  Among the main problems as far as time is concerned.;

 

  canopies, getting them right and finding the right thickness/strength and adjusting the cut until its right.

  (not good to work on this during rainy season)'

 

  Stays/piping for the canopies. Took ages to get them machined (ie polished) and cut/welded right,

  slow slow company (steel workshop). This actually took well into this year before finally sorted.

 

  Fixing the targa to fit the new boat. Very lengthy and very difficult process.

 

  Machining of steel plates for el power units and this and that. Slow slow machining.

  (need to find a new workshop- closer to where I stay)

 

Cabling took long time. There is a lot of cabling in the boat (pics later) take time to do cabling properly,

also requires some thinking.

 

Have had electrical problems with mill/ECU, I think I have those sorted now.

Need to change the oil seals on the valve stems in the cylinder heads, 32 of them - will take some time.

Need to take the cylinder heads off, cumbersome process on this mill.

 

Am waiting for spare parts from Toyota in UK, Toyota Thailand could not come up with the oil seals

and the cylinder head gaskets.

 

So, we will see.

Now some pics to follow. Trying out Power Point files to get the file size down from 8Mb to 700kb.

(tested a couple of days ago and it worked, surprise surprise)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

Here, boat seen from aft.

 

a-AFTtoFORE-.pptx

 

(should be text to go under the pic if this works properly)

 

just tested, works fine for me, you will need Power Point though

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

More external view:

 

 

a-FOREtoAFT-.pptx

 

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

Final external view:

 

 

a-LONGTAIL-and-.pptx

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

First of 3 exhaust pipe pics;

 

 

b-exhaust-1-.pptx

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

2nd of 3 exhaust views:

 

 

b-exhaust-2.pptx

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

final exhaust:

 

b-exhaust-3.pptx

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

Now comes a series of pics mainly focusing on the electrical installation.

 

The first is of the so called table (Thais call it table) an athwartships beam stiffening the hull and separating

driver from the riff raff.'

 

(pic taken from aft towards fore)

 

 

c-1-front-table.pptx

 

 

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

The main electrical power panel:

 

c-2-main-panel-and-batteries.pptx

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

The inner right hand side of boat;, ie under the right side of the engine;

 

c-inner-right.pptx

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

Now, the outer right hand side of the boat.

 

Will try 3 pics in this entry, hope it works out.

they are all about the same stuff, only different angles

 

 

one;

 

c-outer-right-1.pptx

 

and two;

 

c-outer-right-2.pptx

 

and 3;

 

c-outer-right-3.pptx

 

 

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

The inner left side, ie under engine's left side:

 

 

d-inner-left.pptx

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

The final 2 pics:

 

The outer left side of the boat, (just different angels):

 

one;

 

d-outer-left-1.pptx

 

and two;

 

d-outer-left-2.pptx

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

 

Sometimes life in LoS is somewhat trying and testing ones jai yen capabilities.

 

Spareparts arrived Swampy on 28th of July. FedEx is still busy messing around with the parcel.

It cleared Customs, finally, some days ago.

Hopefully it will be delivered before Xmas.

 

Now.

The new boat has to be registered. Must have a Blue Book (tabien ruua), similar to the book for car I'd guess.

The Marine Department surveys the boat, takes measures look at the engine and its installation.

Does some calculations. These data are the main content of the registration book.

The number of the tabien ruua must be painted on the hullof the boat, both sides.

They also take photos of the boat and check that name is unique.

 

My license for driving the boat needs renewal (every 5 years).

My engineer's license needs to be upgraded from 2nd class to 1st class, due to the # horsepower.

 

Now they are making difficulties re renewal of the license and re the upgrade of the engineer license.

Will meet 'em again on Monday. Will see.

 

There is a special regulation for my type of boat,

that is boat with longtail designed for use on inland waterways.

An engineers license is required for driving the boat, as well as the skipper ticket.

The regulation also stipulates that if more than 4 cylinders and/or more than 170 horsepowers

the length of the boat must be at least 10 meters.'

(I have an 8 cylinder engine with about 250 horsepowers)

 

Had great problems with this when registering my first boat.

Took me more than 6 months to get the tabien ruua.

(covered higher up in this thread)

 

So, when I went to the boat builder in my klong and discussed the new boat

I stressed the importance of the length beeing at least 10 meters and 5 centimeters.

He made the boat 10 meters and 10.5 centimeters.

 

Now, early this week I had the surveyor at home doing the measurements.

His conclusion was that the boat is not long enough, its missing 28 centimeters.

 

They guy who measured last time has quit and there are new brushes in the office.

New brushes also means new / different ideas and new rules.

At least this new brush speaks very good English.

 

Turns out that the previous brush measured LOA in normal manners.

The measurement of LOA is not well defined anywhere, its done differently for different purposes.

The old guy measured the longest horisontal distance in/on the boat, this is what most people consider as LOA.

 

Now, new brush says that LOA is not really interesting. I don't put that in the registration document.

I measure from the tip of the nose to where the longtail leaves the transom.and your boat is 28 cm short.

 

We discussed this a bit and he said he would check with the boss in Bangkok.

 

Early next morning I did some control measures. Turns out that the new brush didn't measure correctly.

He found LOA to be 10 meters and 1 cm, it is 10 meters and 10,5 cm

The other measure he wants to be 10 meters he measured to 9.72 m, it is 9.79 cm.

So 21 and not 28 cm is missing.

 

Will also discuss this on Monday. If he completely refuses to accept my LOA as basis for the tabien ruua

I have some ideas up my sleeve on how to remedy the length, or his length.

 

Well, we will see.

 

 

(maybe I should have opted for going to the Sukhumvit bars everyday rather than messing around with

 boats and engines,

 barladies are easier to talk to than Marine Department)

 

 

 

[transam]

43 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

Sometimes life in LoS is somewhat trying and testing ones jai yen capabilities.

 

Spareparts arrived Swampy on 28th of July. FedEx is still busy messing around with the parcel.

It cleared Customs, finally, some days ago.

Hopefully it will be delivered before Xmas.

 

Now.

The new boat has to be registered. Must have a Blue Book (tabien ruua), similar to the book for car I'd guess.

The Marine Department surveys the boat, takes measures look at the engine and its installation.

Does some calculations. These data are the main content of the registration book.

The number of the tabien ruua must be painted on the hullof the boat, both sides.

They also take photos of the boat and check that name is unique.

 

My license for driving the boat needs renewal (every 5 years).

My engineer's license needs to be upgraded from 2nd class to 1st class, due to the # horsepower.

 

Now they are making difficulties re renewal of the license and re the upgrade of the engineer license.

Will meet 'em again on Monday. Will see.

 

There is a special regulation for my type of boat,

that is boat with longtail designed for use on inland waterways.

An engineers license is required for driving the boat, as well as the skipper ticket.

The regulation also stipulates that if more than 4 cylinders and/or more than 170 horsepowers

the length of the boat must be at least 10 meters.'

(I have an 8 cylinder engine with about 250 horsepowers)

 

Had great problems with this when registering my first boat.

Took me more than 6 months to get the tabien ruua.

(covered higher up in this thread)

 

So, when I went to the boat builder in my klong and discussed the new boat

I stressed the importance of the length beeing at least 10 meters and 5 centimeters.

He made the boat 10 meters and 10.5 centimeters.

 

Now, early this week I had the surveyor at home doing the measurements.

His conclusion was that the boat is not long enough, its missing 28 centimeters.

 

They guy who measured last time has quit and there are new brushes in the office.

New brushes also means new / different ideas and new rules.

At least this new brush speaks very good English.

 

Turns out that the previous brush measured LOA in normal manners.

The measurement of LOA is not well defined anywhere, its done differently for different purposes.

The old guy measured the longest horisontal distance in/on the boat, this is what most people consider as LOA.

 

Now, new brush says that LOA is not really interesting. I don't put that in the registration document.

I measure from the tip of the nose to where the longtail leaves the transom.and your boat is 28 cm short.

 

We discussed this a bit and he said he would check with the boss in Bangkok.

 

Early next morning I did some control measures. Turns out that the new brush didn't measure correctly.

He found LOA to be 10 meters and 1 cm, it is 10 meters and 10,5 cm

The other measure he wants to be 10 meters he measured to 9.72 m, it is 9.79 cm.

So 21 and not 28 cm is missing.

 

Will also discuss this on Monday. If he completely refuses to accept my LOA as basis for the tabien ruua

I have some ideas up my sleeve on how to remedy the length, or his length.

 

Well, we will see.

 

 

(maybe I should have opted for going to the Sukhumvit bars everyday rather than messing around with

 boats and engines,

 barladies are easier to talk to than Marine Department)

 

 

 

In a land where nothing really works it does make one wonder what all the crap is about..Back home we could do virtually what we liked regarding boats and cars.....

[Pdaz]

Yep, build whatever you could dream. As long as it could pass an MOT or a seaworthiness test off you went.

[JaseTheBass]

Here, boat seen from aft.
 
a-AFTtoFORE-.pptx
 
(should be text to go under the pic if this works properly)
 
just tested, works fine for me, you will need Power Point though
 
 

Why don't you save the pics from PPT as image files so we can see them in the thread instead of uploading PPT decks?

Right click on the pic in PPT and select Save as picture. Easy.

Sent from my Cray II supercomputer

[mogandave]

Can you glass on a bow-sprig to get a little more length?


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[melvinmelvin]

46 minutes ago, JaseTheBass said:

Why don't you save the pics from PPT as image files so we can see them in the thread instead of uploading PPT decks?

Right click on the pic in PPT and select Save as picture. Easy.

Sent from my Cray II supercomputer
 

 

one reason

thught I mentioned that above

 

for keeping the pics and the comments together

 

[melvinmelvin]

28 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Can you glass on a bow-sprig to get a little more length?


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yes, I can, acceptable or not, not sure

 

that is one of my ideas, to make a bow sprit kind of thing, not grp though but stainless steel,

that would need some flexibility from the brush, 'cause there ain't gonna be no volume enclosed with that

 

spoke to my builder yesterday,

he said, sure do the stainless thing, looks good, easy to do or just offer the chap 3-4000 for closing his eyes for a wee second

Doing it properly with enclosed volume under the "sprit" is YAK! difficult

 

of course, could cut the boat in two just aft of the fore deck and splice in a foot of body,

but that is quite a major operation, MAJOR, if the boat had

been steel or aluminium it would have been easy,

but the boat beeing would its a major operation

[mogandave]

 
yes, I can, acceptable or not, not sure
 
that is one of my ideas, to make a bow sprit kind of thing, not grp though but stainless steel,
that would need some flexibility from the brush, 'cause there ain't gonna be no volume enclosed with that
 
spoke to my builder yesterday,
he said, sure do the stainless thing, looks good, easy to do or just offer the chap 3-4000 for closing his eyes for a wee second
Doing it properly with enclosed volume under the "sprit" is YAK! difficult
 
of course, could cut the boat in two just aft of the fore deck and splice in a foot of body,
but that is quite a major operation, MAJOR, if the boat had
been steel or aluminium it would have been easy,
but the boat beeing would its a major operation

The problem with paying them off is that it never ends.

I would think they might squeak if it was removable, that's why I suggested glassine it on.

Triangular box with a cleat on top and room for a little rope underneath?

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

 

The problem with paying them off is that it never ends.

I would think they might squeak if it was removable, that's why I suggested glassine it on.

Triangular box with a cleat on top and room for a little rope underneath?

 

 

I wouldn't dare to suggest satang, have never done it before and don't even know how to approach that kind of issue

 

Actually, that reovable issue I don't think would bother them, but that is what I think, surely could be wrong

But sure, it could be GRPed in, no problem for me doing that.

 

Yes, what I have in mind and have made some drawings of is in the direction of the box you mention with cleat on top.

 

I have two catalogues from chandlers that sell all sorts of gear for pleasure crafts (sail and motor),

among the stuff one would find various kinds of bow sprit like things and your box like thing.

The catalogues have lots of photos and I'll bring 'em with me.

These are made of a combination of teak and stainless.

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

 

The problem with paying them off is that it never ends.

I would think they might squeak if it was removable, that's why I suggested glassine it on.

Triangular box with a cleat on top and room for a little rope underneath?

 

 

I do understand some of the difficulties that I am meeting.

 

In many countries you have a distinction between pleasure crafts and commercial vessels,

both when it comes to registration and licenses for handling the stuff.

It seems to me that you don't have that in Thailand. They don't have pleasure crafts - only commercial crafts.

 

They have some differences in licenses though. Licenses for domestic trade and licenses for international trade. The latter being the same as what you need for taking a ship from say Canada to Greece.

 

This is also reflected in the actual registration process for boats.

 

A shipowner registering a 300 000 ton super tanker (in any country) would recognize most aspects of my registration of my boat.

 

 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

had a round of talks with the Marine Dept yesterday,

some new requirements for documens came up

 

appears more clearly now that there are 4 distinctly different things I am doing

 

a) terminating the registration book/tabien for the old boat

registering the new boat, with the same engine as in the old book

c) upgrading my engineers ticket from 2nd class to 1st class

d) renewing my skippers ticket

 

3 different persons deal with this

 

the surveyor takes care of B and C, of which C seems to be the easy part.

he still request that I extend the length of the boat by a foot or so,

he appears as being very flexible re how I do it, juts put smth on the nose he said

this needs more discussion, need him to come home again to be sure that he will

explain what I come up with

 

a lady in the office takes care of A, not so straight forward as I thought,

off to the police today to get some more certification of the accident

(at the police station where the sinking was reported)

will see how that turns out, without this I can't show ownership of engine,

which is crucial in LoS, they, the Marine Dept have lost my original papers,

the receipt for buying the old boat end the engine

 

skippers ticket;

handled by a brand new officer who started to work yesterday

(not promising) he said sorry, can you come back next week, I need to get up to speed

on the regulations re this, fair enough

but he made some comments in Thai talking with the surveyor that I didn't like

I have a ticket today that covers vessels both in inland waterways and in the open sea,

he mumbled smth along the lines of giving me a inland waterway ticket only

(means I cannot go to Pattaya/Phuket and rent a boat for a weekend for example)

will see how it works out

 

 

[mogandave]

Good luck with it


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