Thai Cabinet Endorses Thaksin Amnesty Plan: Reports

[Buchholz]

RT @tulsathit: Foreign Minister Surapong: There won't b political chaos over amnesty. This is a govt elected by 15 million ppl.

And controlled by Foreign Minister Surapong's cousin.

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[steveromagnino]

Of course that Thaksin is a huge political issue is going to make this heated but reality is that without resolving the Thaksin issue, there will never be reconcilliation, and increrasingly more people who dont like Thaksin realise that an accomodation is needed.

Why doesn't Thaksin just show up, face his charges in court, use the best legal team he can, and act like he, to use the colloquial, has a pair?

All his wordy mouthing off from afar, his attempts to create mob rule, all the political lobbyists he has on his payroll....the vast cost of all that surely would be less than just getting a good lawyer and having his day in court.

If he thinks he doesn't get justice...he can always appeal. Or assemble some donut boxes/lynch mobs pre verdict as he has (alledgedly) done in the past.

Certainly, he wasn't nearly as suspicious of the justice system when he and Shin attempted to sue pretty much everyone in sight back in the day.

Reconciliation starts with him acting a little more like a man, and a little less like a

scaredy cat

scaredy cat

sitting on a (can someone finish this one for me, I want to say monkey trap, but really 'flooded big bag' would be more relevant in these heady days where the PT government orders hundreds of big bags from (probably) ItalThai, a PT supporter, with no independent oversight as to costs or effectiveness)

man up pal - you got a divorce to protect your assets, you helped your son get away with cheating at university...for once in your life act like a MAN.

[emilyb]

Subtle! I like their style. What genius could possibly figure out such a cleverly disguised resolution?

I wonder if they can ship in a serum from Japan once this one's let loose in the flood waters? Or will he simply get the Ninoy Aquino treatment at the airport? He has defied the Thai unwritten rule about deposed leaders serving in exile quietly before returning home, so it is a bit of a question mark. I suppose the galactic balance of crooked crony capitalist autocrat-wannabes tilted heavily this week with Prime Minister Bunga Bunga leaving office, so it would set the universe back on its axis having him home. Maybe once the Earth is spinning correctly again the floods will go away. Have to ask the moor doo.

[RogueExpat]

This isn't an amnesty. It is a pardon. The members need to understand this important difference.

As I understand it, there is a considerable number of other outstanding charges against the man that have not been tried yet.

What stops / protects him from being arrested and detained for any or all of those?

PT have already stated it is their intention to change the constitution 2007 edition, and in it, it is assumed that they intend to remove the authority of the parties who gathered evidence against Thaksin; thus the trial would not happen as the PROCESS would be unauthorised. Obviously, as anyone who knows how TRT ran, if it goes to court then he would be found guilty* since the evidence is completely overwhelming and any one of the (IIRC) 17 cases against Thaksin and/or associates would be enough to completely sink the Shinawatra ship; therefore....solution is make the process disappear and the cases disappear also.

This is the PT mentality; government by popularity; instead of a typical democracy the rest of the world over where justice and the 4th estate provide a meaningful check and balance on government, they wish to run ALL aspects based on popularity; as long as they have 50.1% of the popular vote...they should be allowed to do WHATEVER they want (including allowing ministers into the cabinet who helped their sons get off murder charges, stacking their friends into every government department, distributing help/budgets to their friends and their supporters ahead of the general populace, giving jobs to their friends instead of people who know what they are doing, lying to the press and the public about what they are doing, regulating the media as they see fit, dispensing justice that favours what they wish to acheive) based on POPULARITY.

And they aren't the only ones:

This is Thailand and the present government won a fair election. What is being done is being decided by Thais and those of you who do not like it and/or the decisions being made should go back and put your own country to right.

Apparently, as long as you win an election you can do what you want. Now, in the past, aside from cheating in his asset declaration, Thaksin also hushed up his son cheating at University; alledgedly 'influenced officials' to get his daughter into Chula despite lack of grades; fiddled the legislation to increase family wealth approx 3X in 5 years; drove media freedom in Thailand down from 46th to 100+ in transparency/freedom of the press; held cabinet meetings with no notes; oversaw the war on drugs; destabilised the south and stuffed up the chicken flu, tsunami and even the purchase of Liverpool. The few policies of any worth like 30b healthcare were a mess, and have taken years to get sorted out. Against all of that.....we should forgive him for his mistakes and outright corruption, solely because he is popular??!

Hypothetically, what if he murdered someone? Is that ok?

What if he stole money? Is that ok?

This is the crudest most idiotic approach to justice, where the rich and famous have a completely different set of rules to adher to. Now....hold up wasn't that the whole Prai vs. Amartaya mantra that drove the red shirts; they want a single set of rules for everyone?

Well....you cannot have both; and this is where a carefully crafted deck of cards completely falls apart....because the red shirt movement is fighting for justice for all and equality.....but this is the most corrupt and selfish act yet.

Mike Tyson was hugely popular when convicted of rape; no he should never have been tried, because he was a highly popular heavyweight champ.

I thought Manson was kind of cool, with those freaky eyes....nah let's not convict him because he's nice.

No doubt Voice TV and the plethora of mindless drivel from Nattawut/Jatuporn etc will somehow make sense if you listen to it enough times. Just like the big bag fiasco...yes, it's a dumb idea to do 1. But if you do it enough times...then it will make sense.

* unless the case is tried by influenced judges as occured in the last open/shut case of Thaksin where he fraudulently put assets into his maid's name and then tried to claim it was 'an honest mistake' when caught; or Chalerm's son's case relating to Club 20; or if the people who gifted Karun Hontrakul his fraudulent degree are the judges in the case; or the judges from the Paquiao-Marquez III fight

Great post, however, you are beating your head against a brick wall mate.

You can justify your writings with all the verifiable evidence in the world, however the Red supporters on this board, and around the country couldn't give a rat's arse.

All they want is their deity back, even if it means they personally have less & less over the years to come.

Wonder if they'll kneel down and commit ritual suicide if the great man asks it, oh I forgot, they allready have alegedly sacrificed themselves so others could parade their cadavers around on stage to incite hatred against people opposing their little insurection last year.

[Pi Sek]

If what they do is legal and democratic there should be no problem. If what they do is illegal or undemocratic it should be a problem.

And of course as of yet we dont even know if this was really discussed or is just made up or if it was discussed that it was discussed as stated, but in the final analysis it is just about is it done legally and democratically. If it is then there is no problem.

Your reasoning is logical. But a secret cabinet meeting that causes such a bombshell as this to be dropped can only encourage the worst responses.

I see that Facebook page has grown by over 1,000 in the last 10 minutes... including me.

I don't think that pushing for amnesty now is at all justificable in the remotest sense.

Sure, go for a referendum or whatever, but this just stinks. To the point that I may again have to risk my personal safety to voice my concerns.

[Buchholz]

Basically it seems likely the cabinet, which is acting as other cabinets have, would just take last years Dem terminology and remove only one clause - the clause excluding those convicted of corruption which was inserted to target Thaksin at that time.

Thaksin/Yingluck/Chalerm's Cabinet also inserted a Thaksin-specific clause of not needing to serve any time in prison prior to being pardoned.

That's unprecedented.

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Edited November 16, 2011 by Buchholz

[ramrod711]

Wow this is unbelievable. Millions still affected by the flood and now we see where this government's priorities lie. The country can be in shambles but they don't care as long as they can bring their beloved leader back. Shameful!

The good thing is that maybe, just maybe, some of the voters from the North will remember this (and Yingluck's abject handling of the flood crisis) when the next election comes around - trouble is, I think that they will forget, as their brains will click into gear and it will be "vote PT", "vote Thaksin", "Thaksin is our saviour", "What floods"............and so on!!!!!.

i can hardly blame them, no thai government has done anything for them, once the word goes out to the villages that their candidate is offering 350 baht per vote the common thought will be that all the politicians are the same, take the money and run.

[thaimiller]

Seems like the plot from a recent Wizard movie to me...

He who can not be named will return...

More like Narnia. Instead of Aslan. Thaksin is on the move!!!!

[Pi Sek]

This isn't an amnesty. It is a pardon. The members need to understand this important difference.

As I understand it, there is a considerable number of other outstanding charges against the man that have not been tried yet.

What stops / protects him from being arrested and detained for any or all of those?

PT have already stated it is their intention to change the constitution 2007 edition, and in it, it is assumed that they intend to remove the authority of the parties who gathered evidence against Thaksin; thus the trial would not happen as the PROCESS would be unauthorised. Obviously, as anyone who knows how TRT ran, if it goes to court then he would be found guilty* since the evidence is completely overwhelming and any one of the (IIRC) 17 cases against Thaksin and/or associates would be enough to completely sink the Shinawatra ship; therefore....solution is make the process disappear and the cases disappear also.

This is the PT mentality; government by popularity; instead of a typical democracy the rest of the world over where justice and the 4th estate provide a meaningful check and balance on government, they wish to run ALL aspects based on popularity; as long as they have 50.1% of the popular vote...they should be allowed to do WHATEVER they want (including allowing ministers into the cabinet who helped their sons get off murder charges, stacking their friends into every government department, distributing help/budgets to their friends and their supporters ahead of the general populace, giving jobs to their friends instead of people who know what they are doing, lying to the press and the public about what they are doing, regulating the media as they see fit, dispensing justice that favours what they wish to acheive) based on POPULARITY.

And they aren't the only ones:

This is Thailand and the present government won a fair election. What is being done is being decided by Thais and those of you who do not like it and/or the decisions being made should go back and put your own country to right.

Apparently, as long as you win an election you can do what you want. Now, in the past, aside from cheating in his asset declaration, Thaksin also hushed up his son cheating at University; alledgedly 'influenced officials' to get his daughter into Chula despite lack of grades; fiddled the legislation to increase family wealth approx 3X in 5 years; drove media freedom in Thailand down from 46th to 100+ in transparency/freedom of the press; held cabinet meetings with no notes; oversaw the war on drugs; destabilised the south and stuffed up the chicken flu, tsunami and even the purchase of Liverpool. The few policies of any worth like 30b healthcare were a mess, and have taken years to get sorted out. Against all of that.....we should forgive him for his mistakes and outright corruption, solely because he is popular??!

Hypothetically, what if he murdered someone? Is that ok?

What if he stole money? Is that ok?

This is the crudest most idiotic approach to justice, where the rich and famous have a completely different set of rules to adher to. Now....hold up wasn't that the whole Prai vs. Amartaya mantra that drove the red shirts; they want a single set of rules for everyone?

Well....you cannot have both; and this is where a carefully crafted deck of cards completely falls apart....because the red shirt movement is fighting for justice for all and equality.....but this is the most corrupt and selfish act yet.

Mike Tyson was hugely popular when convicted of rape; no he should never have been tried, because he was a highly popular heavyweight champ.

I thought Manson was kind of cool, with those freaky eyes....nah let's not convict him because he's nice.

No doubt Voice TV and the plethora of mindless drivel from Nattawut/Jatuporn etc will somehow make sense if you listen to it enough times. Just like the big bag fiasco...yes, it's a dumb idea to do 1. But if you do it enough times...then it will make sense.

* unless the case is tried by influenced judges as occured in the last open/shut case of Thaksin where he fraudulently put assets into his maid's name and then tried to claim it was 'an honest mistake' when caught; or Chalerm's son's case relating to Club 20; or if the people who gifted Karun Hontrakul his fraudulent degree are the judges in the case; or the judges from the Paquiao-Marquez III fight

Great post, however, you are beating your head against a brick wall mate.

You can justify your writings with all the verifiable evidence in the world, however the Red supporters on this board, and around the country couldn't give a rat's arse.

All they want is their deity back, even if it means they personally have less & less over the years to come.

Wonder if they'll kneel down and commit ritual suicide if the great man asks it, oh I forgot, they allready have alegedly sacrificed themselves so others could parade their cadavers around on stage to incite hatred against people opposing their little insurection last year.

Unfortunately I agree with Mr. RogueExpat. Even about the little "ritual suicide" addendum, although the Red sympathists will dismiss this as some sort of conspiracy theory.

[thaimiller]

If Thaksin is really that bad (as you people say he is), why is God still kept him alive?

Steve Job wasn't really that bad, why is God takes him along ?

Because God is an imaginary friend for grown ups and doesn't exist.

[Soutpeel]

If Thaksin is really that bad (as you people say he is), why is God still kept him alive?

Steve Job wasn't really that bad, why is God takes him along ?

Because God is an imaginary friend for grown ups and doesn't exist.

[hammered]

Of course that Thaksin is a huge political issue is going to make this heated but reality is that without resolving the Thaksin issue, there will never be reconcilliation, and increrasingly more people who dont like Thaksin realise that an accomodation is needed.

Why doesn't Thaksin just show up, face his charges in court, use the best legal team he can, and act like he, to use the colloquial, has a pair?

All his wordy mouthing off from afar, his attempts to create mob rule, all the political lobbyists he has on his payroll....the vast cost of all that surely would be less than just getting a good lawyer and having his day in court.

If he thinks he doesn't get justice...he can always appeal. Or assemble some donut boxes/lynch mobs pre verdict as he has (alledgedly) done in the past.

Certainly, he wasn't nearly as suspicious of the justice system when he and Shin attempted to sue pretty much everyone in sight back in the day.

Reconciliation starts with him acting a little more like a man, and a little less like a

scaredy cat

scaredy cat

sitting on a (can someone finish this one for me, I want to say monkey trap, but really 'flooded big bag' would be more relevant in these heady days where the PT government orders hundreds of big bags from (probably) ItalThai, a PT supporter, with no independent oversight as to costs or effectiveness)

man up pal - you got a divorce to protect your assets, you helped your son get away with cheating at university...for once in your life act like a MAN.

Because he has the political power to make it all go away or destroy those who oppose him. It also isnt helped by his enemies not being very good at politics, PR, marketing or even being very democratic, so that he has skillfully positioned himself as a champion of the people and garnered international sympathy.

The only way people will ever realise Thaksin is an exploitative so and so is if he does return and shows it without his poltical opponents trying to thwart everything he does. Thaksin has played a brilliant poltical game and is easily the most skillful politician Thailand has ever seen and by far the most popular politican Thailand has ever seen (even in absence). What opposes him cannot compete and is undermined by their own past excesses and lets be honest manipulations not exactly disimilar to Thaksins. Of course he and his mates just wanted to become the new elite and boot the old one out. Now it has all got tied up in other stuff linked to huge masses of people who have been on the receiving end of inequality for too long and who have little trust for courts or traditonal parties or traditional media mouthpieces. Great at manipulating a position and using people is Thaksin, or maybe we get to the point where they use him

[metisdead]

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[bigbamboo]

If Thaksin is really that bad (as you people say he is), why is God still kept him alive?

Steve Job wasn't really that bad, why is God takes him along ?

Because God is an imaginary friend for grown ups and doesn't exist.

One of these days the penny will drop. Man created gods, many of them, not the other way around.

[hammered]

The process seems to be whatever the cabinet mentioned goes to committee and then to council of state, so no real need for everyone to get excited at this moment. I have always thought the old legislative amnesty would be the actual vehicle to be used myself

[scorecard]

If what they do is legal and democratic there should be no problem. If what they do is illegal or undemocratic it should be a problem.

And of course as of yet we dont even know if this was really discussed or is just made up or if it was discussed that it was discussed as stated, but in the final analysis it is just about is it done legally and democratically. If it is then there is no problem.

Your reasoning is logical. But a secret cabinet meeting that causes such a bombshell as this to be dropped can only encourage the worst responses.

I see that Facebook page has grown by over 1,000 in the last 10 minutes... including me.

I don't think that pushing for amnesty now is at all justificable in the remotest sense.

Sure, go for a referendum or whatever, but this just stinks. To the point that I may again have to risk my personal safety to voice my concerns.

And who is in charge of this matter on behalf of the clone PM, which really means on behalf of the paymaster / the puppeteer?

Is there now any doubt why c was assigned to this task by the puppeteer? The man who has skin thicker than a rhinoceros, no conscience, no morals.

Edited November 16, 2011 by scorecard

[steveromagnino]

Of course that Thaksin is a huge political issue is going to make this heated but reality is that without resolving the Thaksin issue, there will never be reconcilliation, and increrasingly more people who dont like Thaksin realise that an accomodation is needed.

Why doesn't Thaksin just show up, face his charges in court, use the best legal team he can, and act like he, to use the colloquial, has a pair?

Because he has the political power to make it all go away or destroy those who oppose him. It also isnt helped by his enemies not being very good at politics, PR, marketing or even being very democratic, so that he has skillfully positioned himself as a champion of the people and garnered international sympathy.

The only way people will ever realise Thaksin is an exploitative so and so is if he does return and shows it without his poltical opponents trying to thwart everything he does. Thaksin has played a brilliant poltical game and is easily the most skillful politician Thailand has ever seen and by far the most popular politican Thailand has ever seen (even in absence). What opposes him cannot compete and is undermined by their own past excesses and lets be honest manipulations not exactly disimilar to Thaksins. Of course he and his mates just wanted to become the new elite and boot the old one out. Now it has all got tied up in other stuff linked to huge masses of people who have been on the receiving end of inequality for too long and who have little trust for courts or traditonal parties or traditional media mouthpieces. Great at manipulating a position and using people is Thaksin, or maybe we get to the point where they use him

Sadly, you are spot on here; my comment is made as a neutral 'wanting reconciliation' guy; naturally that is not same mindset of someone who wants to get mega rich, have complete control and will do anything to acheive that.

It has the makings of a great film....heroes, villains, a few hot singers....i only it were all a bad dream. Or a wet one (if only featuring the singers)

[ETatBKK]

ROYAL AMNESTY

Justice Ministry to study royal amnesty details: Chalerm

The Nation

Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung on Wednesday said a Justice Ministry panel will be formed to study the details of the annual royal amnesty to mark HM the King's birthday in December.

The justice minister would forward the draft for cabinet endorsement and then to Council of State. If it were in order, the Cabinet's secretary general would present it for endorsement.

Talk about back seat. It's very appropriate that the Justice Minister is the head of FROC.

Supposedly, he's not busy with that task and so has the free time to study and submit the pardon application.

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GOOD SPOT !!

[hammered]

Basically it seems likely the cabinet, which is acting as other cabinets have, would just take last years Dem terminology and remove only one clause - the clause excluding those convicted of corruption which was inserted to target Thaksin at that time.

Thaksin/Yingluck/Chalerm's Cabinet also inserted a Thaksin-specific clause of not needing to serve any time in prison prior to being pardoned.

That's unprecedented.

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The not having served time was in last years Abhisit government plan and was justified by the then justice minister as not being necessary. The only change is likley to be the bit that was put in to exclude corruption convictions that red carded Thaksin, The not srving time was never the issue even under the last regime

[hammered]

Of course that Thaksin is a huge political issue is going to make this heated but reality is that without resolving the Thaksin issue, there will never be reconcilliation, and increrasingly more people who dont like Thaksin realise that an accomodation is needed.

Why doesn't Thaksin just show up, face his charges in court, use the best legal team he can, and act like he, to use the colloquial, has a pair?

Because he has the political power to make it all go away or destroy those who oppose him. It also isnt helped by his enemies not being very good at politics, PR, marketing or even being very democratic, so that he has skillfully positioned himself as a champion of the people and garnered international sympathy.

The only way people will ever realise Thaksin is an exploitative so and so is if he does return and shows it without his poltical opponents trying to thwart everything he does. Thaksin has played a brilliant poltical game and is easily the most skillful politician Thailand has ever seen and by far the most popular politican Thailand has ever seen (even in absence). What opposes him cannot compete and is undermined by their own past excesses and lets be honest manipulations not exactly disimilar to Thaksins. Of course he and his mates just wanted to become the new elite and boot the old one out. Now it has all got tied up in other stuff linked to huge masses of people who have been on the receiving end of inequality for too long and who have little trust for courts or traditonal parties or traditional media mouthpieces. Great at manipulating a position and using people is Thaksin, or maybe we get to the point where they use him

Sadly, you are spot on here; my comment is made as a neutral 'wanting reconciliation' guy; naturally that is not same mindset of someone who wants to get mega rich, have complete control and will do anything to acheive that.

It has the makings of a great film....heroes, villains, a few hot singers....i only it were all a bad dream. Or a wet one (if only featuring the singers)

A true tragedy. The only question for the denouement barring an epilogue we cant predict is when it will end. Then again maybe we get the sequel.

[ETatBKK]

And who is in charge of this matter on behalf of the clone PM, which really means on behalf of the paymaster / the puppeteer?

Is there now any doubt why c was assigned to this task by the puppeteer? The man who has skin thicker than a rhinoceros, no conscience, no morals.

that is exactly the word, and that's why he is on the spring and sits in front of the media. well, since another one will CRY . . .

[alstaxi]

Wow this is unbelievable. Millions still affected by the flood and now we see where this government's priorities lie. The country can be in shambles but they don't care as long as they can bring their beloved leader back. Shameful!

what's shameful is the man who did more positive things for thailand than anyone in recent history was couped out of office and forced into exile.

But he DIDN"T, what rubbish!!!! All of his poicies failed, don't you realise. Take his drugs massacre of innocent civilians on the streets in 2003, his failed education poicies (just like his "stupid" tablets idea)!!! He bankrupted/nearly bankrupted most hospitals with his failed health policies, his rice pledging scheme was costly and ineffective as it will be again and will only benefit the millers.

Everything he does and has done has been ultimately disastrous for Thai's including his so-called populist schemes for the poor - if they knew (and could understand) what he stands for, then it wouldn't be "hapless Yingluck" running the country now and the flood disaster would have been contained a darned sight better than it is being now!!!

Wise up people and realise that he stands for "himself" and his interests and couldn't care a f*** about them!!!

Sod those people who have died or lost everything and "get me to the church on time" is all that matters to him!!!!

What a despicable, evil and heartless sub-human being he is!!!! Naturally I believe that this "general amnesty" is for everyone as it wouldn't be right or ethical to implement it simply for Thaksin's benefit, would it. Don't forget, Yingluck stated that any amnesty would not be solely for Thaksin's benefit and it is not a priority for this govenment???? So, basically, the floods are not a very high priority either then!!!!.

I don't know why they didn't stipulate the amnesty conditions as:

Male billionaire ex-prime ministers born before the 27th July 1949 and with sentences of less than 2 years and 1 day and only those with the initials TS!!!.

I was going to say exactly the same thing,

[scorecard]

And of course as of yet we dont even know if this was really discussed or is just made up or if it was discussed that it was discussed as stated

That's a problem in itself.

The grossest lack of transparency, the "secrets", the running off to Indonesia, the Sgt. Schultz's I know nothings, the dime novel theatrics of mystery and intrigue.

When so much is hidden, especially when it's so clumsily done, people are going to think the worse.

That is natural and expected.

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Agree, and it also makes a complete mockery of the thaksin / red shirts cries for quality democracy, equal justice for all etc etc.

Quality democracy means (amongst other things) transparency, currently not in the picture at all.

[elcent]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/specials/nationphoto/show.php? id=30&pid=12048

[MaiChai]

So whats so notable about 'less than 3 years'? Anyone who gets a jail sentence of less than 3 years should count themselves lucky; its those in for life in a Thai jail that you have to feel sorry for. On the basis of 3 years aint a long time I would not bother, if I was the person granting the pardon.

While I am here, the best thing for Thailand would be for the country to be rid of the Shinawatra clan. They should have stuck to making money rather than getting into politics and causing all the problems they have and affecting so many peoples lives. How many people have died because of Taksins ambitions?

[siampolee]

We all were well aware of the fact that the return was on the cards, but the matter had been put on the back burner to simmer quietly in the background. Now with all the money that is going be around for assorted projects it's time to bring the pot to the boil again..

No doubt the return has become a priority as the funds have to be " managed " don't they ?

Indeed a slap in the face for those who are suffering to see that the return of Thaksin takes precedence over the plight of the flood victims. A wonderful demonstration of P.T.P. Personal Thaksin Property take on democracy. Criminality and corruption rules.

Edited November 16, 2011 by siampolee

[alstaxi]

It's the way they did it that sums this mafia up.

Yingluck sneaks off to Singburi and states that "Oh it's dark now, my helicopter can't fly in the dark because it has no radar so I can't return for my cabinet meeting"

Army says "of course that model has radar and so does the other helicopter that is on standby"

Chalerm the magnificent holds the meeting kicking out all but a select few cronies. Meeting is "secret" - well all know why. Meeting agrees to this amnestty.

When cabinet is asked about the meeting the outcome is silence, no comment or Plodprasop "I can't say, it's a secret"

Yingluck, when asked, says "Don't ask me what they did - I wasn't there"

Absolute disgrace.

3 army helicopters clash in a single week, all flying in day-light. Including the most expensive US made black hawk with radar.

And you you say it is OK to fly at night?

142 km away, she could have walked to the meeting, dont you recognize bs when you smell it?

[ETatBKK]

And of course as of yet we dont even know if this was really discussed or is just made up or if it was discussed that it was discussed as stated

That's a problem in itself.

The grossest lack of transparency, the "secrets", the running off to Indonesia, the Sgt. Schultz's I know nothings, the dime novel theatrics of mystery and intrigue.

When so much is hidden, especially when it's so clumsily done, people are going to think the worse.

That is natural and expected.

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it is transparent, it is implicitly explicit ! the day Yingluck in her office, we knew that Mr T will come back, and is a matter of when and how. either it is his daughter's wedding, or we need him to send the lunchbox in the flood.

what we are discussing ( or even upseting ) is the way they purposely hijack the royal amnesty decree in a critical moment of the country, and the way they / she escapes from any responsibility. that is nasty !

[Skywalker69]

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, who is Thaksin's younger sister, has yet to confirm or comment on a move that already attracted harsh criticism from the opposition.

Yingluck said she did not know the Cabinet had discussed the amnesty decree.

She didn't attend her Cabinet meeting and, as is her now long-standing habit, had someone else attend and take charge in her place. In this instance, it was Chalerm.

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The ONLY thing that Yinluck is good at is lieing!!! She is also becoming an expert at lieing about not lieing!! Now where I wonder has she picked this trait up from???:jap:.

Give her credit where credit is due. She's also good at running away from responsibility.

Her only responsebility is to bring back "Big Brother" not taking care of Thailand and it´s people.

[alstaxi]

"convicts who are at least 60 years old and are sentenced to under three years in jail"

That's not even the least subtle...!!!!

at least they didn't include.... and those with a cuboid cranium.

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