Suriyasai-Jatuporn Meeting Infuriates Yellow Shirts

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Suriyasai-Jatuporn meeting infuriates yellow shirts

THE NATION

Hardcore members of the yellow-shirt People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) were furious yesterday after one of the group's coordinators, Suriyasai Katasila, shook hands and exchanged New Year wishes with old friend and recent political adversary Jatuporn Promphan on a television talk show.

Long-time friends who now stand at opposite ends of the Kingdom's colour-coded political spectrum, Suriyasai and red-shirt leader Jatuporn were invited to the talk show "Chao Doo Woody" (Morning Watch Woody) on Channel 9 yesterday morning.

Jatuporn is a member of the red-shirt Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship.

Many hardcore members of the PAD expressed dissatisfaction with Suriyasai's participation on PAD news website ASTV-Manager and via social media, saying it was inappropriate for their coordinator to appear on the programme with Jatuporn.

"The red and yellow shirts who died during the battle might be happy if they realised that their leaders are good friends for more than 20 years," one wrote satirically. "If they are really good friends, why don't they beg each other to stop taking the lives of our colleagues?"

PAD spokesman Panthep Puapongpan said on his Facebook page that nobody at the PAD knew in advance that Surasai would appear on TV with Jatuporn.

It was a real surprise, he said.

Suriyasai said it was true that he is a friend of Jatuporn, but added that the friendship would not affect his political stance.

He is still fighting against Jatuporn's boss, former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, he said.

-- The Nation 2012-01-06

[TAWP]

So to recap: it is two groups, from the same crop, that is fighting.

Not the poor against the amart.

[geriatrickid]

Yes and No,

It is two individuals that were friends with differing political views. Suriyasai is more of an academic. I believe he had enrolled at Rangsit to study for his doctorate in 2010. He certainly seems to have met the stink test as the Nation gave him the VIP treatment in 2006. http://www.nationmul...on_30003160.php What divides them are their views on former PM Thaksin.

Suriyasai has always been the one trying to get the Redshirts to join with PAD. I draw your attention to his comments in 2010;

"If the genuine reds liberate themselves from Thaksin, this can be a rebirth of the red shirts, and they can eventually join hands with the PAD. All 5 core leaders of the PAD have always had this idea. Mr Sondhi has said in numerous interviews that he never sees the red shirts as enemies. Uncle Chamlong [srimuang] has also said so. [The PAD and the red shirts] share the same views, particularly on the issues of double standards and injustice.’

http://www.prachatai...glish/node/2164

BTW, do you believe me now when I reiterate that I believe that Jatuporn is using Thaksin. I don't think Mr. Thaksin has ever really liked Jatuporn. Can you believe me now when I repeat that the PTP government would not lose any sleep if the man ended up in jail? Just as it might be a marriage of convenience for Thaksin and Jatuporn, so too was it a marriage of convenience for the "elites" to back PAD at the start of things. Now the elite have distanced themselves from PAD and would be happy if the wheels of the bus ran over them. PAD was a threat to the established order. The Redshirts are a threat to the established order. The PAD movement gave rise to the Redshirts. PAD targeted the urban class, while the UDD targeted the rural class for their support.

In any case, it's a nice change to see the boys being civil in public. It is surely netter than fighting. Maybe that's why some people are upset. Reconciliation can happen.

Edited January 7, 2012 by geriatrickid

[SomTumTiger]

Yes and No,

It is two individuals that were friends with differing political views. Suriyasai is more of an academic. I believe he had enrolled at Rangsit to study for his doctorate in 2010. He certainly seems to have met the stink test as the Nation gave him the VIP treatment in 2006. http://www.nationmul...on_30003160.php What divides them are their views on former PM Thaksin.

Suriyasai has always been the one trying to get the Redshirts to join with PAD. I draw your attention to his comments in 2010;

"If the genuine reds liberate themselves from Thaksin, this can be a rebirth of the red shirts, and they can eventually join hands with the PAD. All 5 core leaders of the PAD have always had this idea. Mr Sondhi has said in numerous interviews that he never sees the red shirts as enemies. Uncle Chamlong [srimuang] has also said so. [The PAD and the red shirts] share the same views, particularly on the issues of double standards and injustice.’

http://www.prachatai...glish/node/2164

BTW, do you believe me now when I reiterate that I believe that Jatuporn is using Thaksin. I don't think Mr. Thaksin has ever really liked Jatuporn. Can you believe me now when I repeat that the PTP government would not lose any sleep if the man ended up in jail? Just as it might be a marriage of convenience for Thaksin and Jatuporn, so too was it a marriage of convenience for the "elites" to back PAD at the start of things. Now the elite have distanced themselves from PAD and would be happy if the wheels of the bus ran over them. PAD was a threat to the established order. The Redshirts are a threat to the established order. The PAD movement gave rise to the Redshirts. PAD targeted the urban class, while the UDD targeted the rural class for their support.

In any case, it's a nice change to see the boys being civil in public. It is surely netter than fighting. Maybe that's why some people are upset. Reconciliation can happen.

No Thaksin, no money, no red shirts on the streets - so no, i don't believe you.

[smutcakes]

Yes and No,

It is two individuals that were friends with differing political views. Suriyasai is more of an academic. I believe he had enrolled at Rangsit to study for his doctorate in 2010. He certainly seems to have met the stink test as the Nation gave him the VIP treatment in 2006. http://www.nationmul...on_30003160.php What divides them are their views on former PM Thaksin.

Suriyasai has always been the one trying to get the Redshirts to join with PAD. I draw your attention to his comments in 2010;

"If the genuine reds liberate themselves from Thaksin, this can be a rebirth of the red shirts, and they can eventually join hands with the PAD. All 5 core leaders of the PAD have always had this idea. Mr Sondhi has said in numerous interviews that he never sees the red shirts as enemies. Uncle Chamlong [srimuang] has also said so. [The PAD and the red shirts] share the same views, particularly on the issues of double standards and injustice.’

http://www.prachatai...glish/node/2164

BTW, do you believe me now when I reiterate that I believe that Jatuporn is using Thaksin. I don't think Mr. Thaksin has ever really liked Jatuporn. Can you believe me now when I repeat that the PTP government would not lose any sleep if the man ended up in jail? Just as it might be a marriage of convenience for Thaksin and Jatuporn, so too was it a marriage of convenience for the "elites" to back PAD at the start of things. Now the elite have distanced themselves from PAD and would be happy if the wheels of the bus ran over them. PAD was a threat to the established order. The Redshirts are a threat to the established order. The PAD movement gave rise to the Redshirts. PAD targeted the urban class, while the UDD targeted the rural class for their support.

In any case, it's a nice change to see the boys being civil in public. It is surely netter than fighting. Maybe that's why some people are upset. Reconciliation can happen.

No Thaksin, no money, no red shirts on the streets - so no, i don't believe you.

You keep making accusations of people being paid to protest, but as far as I can see/read there has never been any charges or proof.

Would it not be fairly easy for the banks to see all these millions of baths being withdrawn?

What happened to the 80 odd bank accounts which were frozen under these allegations?

Edited January 7, 2012 by smutcakes

[hanuman1]

'Morning Watch Woody' has become something of a ritual for me over the years although strangely I've never seen the TV show before.

[JurgenG]

So to recap: it is two groups, from the same crop, that is fighting.

Not the poor against the amart.

Never been

Some of the biggest Thai companies are behind Thaksin.

In the USA, Thaksin would have been a Republican. The GOP is the alliance of big money and rural states, same in Thailand.

[SomTumTiger]

You keep making accusations of people being paid to protest, but as far as I can see/read there has never been any charges or proof.

Would it not be fairly easy for the banks to see all these millions of baths being withdrawn?

What happened to the 80 odd bank accounts which were frozen under these allegations?

Straight from the man himself - line up for your 500 baht! People are paid to do everything in Thailand, paid to vote, paid to do their job (tea money) paid to not do their job (corruption). To pretend that the Reds were NOT paid to protest is a joke (and the jokes on you for believing it).

[Crushdepth]

Yes and No,

It is two individuals that were friends with differing political views. Suriyasai is more of an academic. I believe he had enrolled at Rangsit to study for his doctorate in 2010. He certainly seems to have met the stink test as the Nation gave him the VIP treatment in 2006. http://www.nationmul...on_30003160.php What divides them are their views on former PM Thaksin.

Suriyasai has always been the one trying to get the Redshirts to join with PAD. I draw your attention to his comments in 2010;

"If the genuine reds liberate themselves from Thaksin, this can be a rebirth of the red shirts, and they can eventually join hands with the PAD. All 5 core leaders of the PAD have always had this idea. Mr Sondhi has said in numerous interviews that he never sees the red shirts as enemies. Uncle Chamlong [srimuang] has also said so. [The PAD and the red shirts] share the same views, particularly on the issues of double standards and injustice.’

http://www.prachatai...glish/node/2164

BTW, do you believe me now when I reiterate that I believe that Jatuporn is using Thaksin. I don't think Mr. Thaksin has ever really liked Jatuporn. Can you believe me now when I repeat that the PTP government would not lose any sleep if the man ended up in jail? Just as it might be a marriage of convenience for Thaksin and Jatuporn, so too was it a marriage of convenience for the "elites" to back PAD at the start of things. Now the elite have distanced themselves from PAD and would be happy if the wheels of the bus ran over them. PAD was a threat to the established order. The Redshirts are a threat to the established order. The PAD movement gave rise to the Redshirts. PAD targeted the urban class, while the UDD targeted the rural class for their support.

In any case, it's a nice change to see the boys being civil in public. It is surely netter than fighting. Maybe that's why some people are upset. Reconciliation can happen.

No Thaksin, no money, no red shirts on the streets - so no, i don't believe you.

You keep making accusations of people being paid to protest, but as far as I can see/read there has never been any charges or proof.

Would it not be fairly easy for the banks to see all these millions of baths being withdrawn?

What happened to the 80 odd bank accounts which were frozen under these allegations?

Ask your Thai friends if they or their relatives have ever been paid to protest or to vote. You wont need to look far.

[philw]

'Morning Watch Woody' has become something of a ritual for me over the years although strangely I've never seen the TV show before.

Too subtle but good.

[hyperdimension]

Some of the biggest Thai companies are behind Thaksin.

That's because they make more money when he is in power. People are only against corruption when they don't benefit from it. Much of the support of Thaksin is about money, regardless of how it's acquired, not idealistic concepts like "democracy".

[philw]

Yes and No,

It is two individuals that were friends with differing political views. Suriyasai is more of an academic. I believe he had enrolled at Rangsit to study for his doctorate in 2010. He certainly seems to have met the stink test as the Nation gave him the VIP treatment in 2006. http://www.nationmul...on_30003160.php What divides them are their views on former PM Thaksin.

Suriyasai has always been the one trying to get the Redshirts to join with PAD. I draw your attention to his comments in 2010;

"If the genuine reds liberate themselves from Thaksin, this can be a rebirth of the red shirts, and they can eventually join hands with the PAD. All 5 core leaders of the PAD have always had this idea. Mr Sondhi has said in numerous interviews that he never sees the red shirts as enemies. Uncle Chamlong [srimuang] has also said so. [The PAD and the red shirts] share the same views, particularly on the issues of double standards and injustice.'

http://www.prachatai...glish/node/2164

BTW, do you believe me now when I reiterate that I believe that Jatuporn is using Thaksin. I don't think Mr. Thaksin has ever really liked Jatuporn. Can you believe me now when I repeat that the PTP government would not lose any sleep if the man ended up in jail? Just as it might be a marriage of convenience for Thaksin and Jatuporn, so too was it a marriage of convenience for the "elites" to back PAD at the start of things. Now the elite have distanced themselves from PAD and would be happy if the wheels of the bus ran over them. PAD was a threat to the established order. The Redshirts are a threat to the established order. The PAD movement gave rise to the Redshirts. PAD targeted the urban class, while the UDD targeted the rural class for their support.

In any case, it's a nice change to see the boys being civil in public. It is surely netter than fighting. Maybe that's why some people are upset. Reconciliation can happen.

No Thaksin, no money, no red shirts on the streets - so no, i don't believe you.

You keep making accusations of people being paid to protest, but as far as I can see/read there has never been any charges or proof.

Would it not be fairly easy for the banks to see all these millions of baths being withdrawn?

What happened to the 80 odd bank accounts which were frozen under these allegations?

Ask your Thai friends if they or their relatives have ever been paid to protest or to vote. You wont need to look far.

Ah but................Who was paying ???

Which party, group or vested interest ?

Can you answer that ??

[Ricardo]

You keep making accusations of people being paid to protest, but as far as I can see/read there has never been any charges or proof.

Accusations were widespread during the 2011 riots, and I also recall discussion about this during the 2008 protests by the PAD, it's clearly an on-going problem which has been raised frequently on TV.

But welcome to another new poster, your education starts here !

[animatic]

Yes and No,

It is two individuals that were friends with differing political views. Suriyasai is more of an academic. I believe he had enrolled at Rangsit to study for his doctorate in 2010. He certainly seems to have met the stink test as the Nation gave him the VIP treatment in 2006. http://www.nationmul...on_30003160.php What divides them are their views on former PM Thaksin.

Suriyasai has always been the one trying to get the Redshirts to join with PAD. I draw your attention to his comments in 2010;

"If the genuine reds liberate themselves from Thaksin, this can be a rebirth of the red shirts, and they can eventually join hands with the PAD. All 5 core leaders of the PAD have always had this idea. Mr Sondhi has said in numerous interviews that he never sees the red shirts as enemies. Uncle Chamlong [srimuang] has also said so. [The PAD and the red shirts] share the same views, particularly on the issues of double standards and injustice.’

http://www.prachatai...glish/node/2164

BTW, do you believe me now when I reiterate that I believe that Jatuporn is using Thaksin. I don't think Mr. Thaksin has ever really liked Jatuporn. Can you believe me now when I repeat that the PTP government would not lose any sleep if the man ended up in jail? Just as it might be a marriage of convenience for Thaksin and Jatuporn, so too was it a marriage of convenience for the "elites" to back PAD at the start of things. Now the elite have distanced themselves from PAD and would be happy if the wheels of the bus ran over them. PAD was a threat to the established order. The Redshirts are a threat to the established order. The PAD movement gave rise to the Redshirts. PAD targeted the urban class, while the UDD targeted the rural class for their support.

In any case, it's a nice change to see the boys being civil in public. It is surely netter than fighting. Maybe that's why some people are upset. Reconciliation can happen.

No Thaksin, no money, no red shirts on the streets - so no, i don't believe you.

You keep making accusations of people being paid to protest, but as far as I can see/read there has never been any charges or proof.

Would it not be fairly easy for the banks to see all these millions of baths being withdrawn?

What happened to the 80 odd bank accounts which were frozen under these allegations?

It was seen on multiple videos, and the payees said as much.

Common knowledge at the time.

[philw]

Yes and No,

It is two individuals that were friends with differing political views. Suriyasai is more of an academic. I believe he had enrolled at Rangsit to study for his doctorate in 2010. He certainly seems to have met the stink test as the Nation gave him the VIP treatment in 2006. http://www.nationmul...on_30003160.php What divides them are their views on former PM Thaksin.

Suriyasai has always been the one trying to get the Redshirts to join with PAD. I draw your attention to his comments in 2010;

"If the genuine reds liberate themselves from Thaksin, this can be a rebirth of the red shirts, and they can eventually join hands with the PAD. All 5 core leaders of the PAD have always had this idea. Mr Sondhi has said in numerous interviews that he never sees the red shirts as enemies. Uncle Chamlong [srimuang] has also said so. [The PAD and the red shirts] share the same views, particularly on the issues of double standards and injustice.’

http://www.prachatai...glish/node/2164

BTW, do you believe me now when I reiterate that I believe that Jatuporn is using Thaksin. I don't think Mr. Thaksin has ever really liked Jatuporn. Can you believe me now when I repeat that the PTP government would not lose any sleep if the man ended up in jail? Just as it might be a marriage of convenience for Thaksin and Jatuporn, so too was it a marriage of convenience for the "elites" to back PAD at the start of things. Now the elite have distanced themselves from PAD and would be happy if the wheels of the bus ran over them. PAD was a threat to the established order. The Redshirts are a threat to the established order. The PAD movement gave rise to the Redshirts. PAD targeted the urban class, while the UDD targeted the rural class for their support.

In any case, it's a nice change to see the boys being civil in public. It is surely netter than fighting. Maybe that's why some people are upset. Reconciliation can happen.

No Thaksin, no money, no red shirts on the streets - so no, i don't believe you.

You keep making accusations of people being paid to protest, but as far as I can see/read there has never been any charges or proof.

Would it not be fairly easy for the banks to see all these millions of baths being withdrawn?

What happened to the 80 odd bank accounts which were frozen under these allegations?

It was seen on multiple videos, and the payees said as much.

Common knowledge at the time.

he's got a question, you make the allegations..

Good manners say you should answer the question.

[hellodolly]

Some of the biggest Thai companies are behind Thaksin.

That's because they make more money when he is in power. People are only against corruption when they don't benefit from it. Much of the support of Thaksin is about money, regardless of how it's acquired, not idealistic concepts like "democracy".

A idiot could have been in power when Thaksin was and they would still have made money. That was a result of the whole world doing well not any brilliant maneuver by Thaksin.

[TAWP]

Some of the biggest Thai companies are behind Thaksin.

That's because they make more money when he is in power. People are only against corruption when they don't benefit from it. Much of the support of Thaksin is about money, regardless of how it's acquired, not idealistic concepts like "democracy".

A idiot could have been in power when Thaksin was and they would still have made money. That was a result of the whole world doing well not any brilliant maneuver by Thaksin.

Some would argue that there was.

I wouldn't completely refute that would more like to point out that his biggest flaw is by far his arrogance. If he had been less so he would still have been in power - and most likely being able to steal make a lot more money than he has sofar. Less 'in the face' abuse would have allowed him to eat alongside the other pigs for longer.

[phiphidon]

Some of the biggest Thai companies are behind Thaksin.

That's because they make more money when he is in power. People are only against corruption when they don't benefit from it. Much of the support of Thaksin is about money, regardless of how it's acquired, not idealistic concepts like "democracy".

A idiot could have been in power when Thaksin was and they would still have made money. That was a result of the whole world doing well not any brilliant maneuver by Thaksin.

But would an Idiot have brought the inherited Public Debt of 58% of GDP down to under 42% of GDP in 5 years including a couple of years with budget surpluses?

http://bangkokpundit.blogspot.com/2007/02/ruining-economy-by-budget-surpluses.html

[TAWP]

One could argue that if the [world] economy is going well the export companies will be able to increase their numbers, leading to an increase in the GDP, making the relative % of the debt number be comparable reduced - even if it wasn't decreased in actual amount.

Edited January 7, 2012 by TAWP

[geriatrickid]

Back to the topic at hand, I have always said that in Thailand, the people we think are arch enemies are often not, and those we think are in league together may not be. This is the land where friendships count, even when there are political differences.Political alliances come and go, but friendships and loyalty are valued. It is why the generals will surround themselves with classmates, and why politicians will seek out classmates or childhood friends to serve with. A good example of this was Mr. Abhisit selecting Mr. Korn, his old classmate and friend, for the important position of finance minister. It is why the current cabinet is filled with people that go back a long way with each other. No matter the political label, long time friendships and associations count. It is a rule of business in Thailand that successful foreign investors understand

[hyperdimension]

A good example of this was Mr. Abhisit selecting Mr. Korn, his old classmate and friend, for the important position of finance minister. It is why the current cabinet is filled with people that go back a long way with each other. No matter the political label, long time friendships and associations count. It is a rule of business in Thailand that successful foreign investors understand

Korn was highly qualified and competent for the Finance Minister position. Can you say the same for the people now in power? Are you a nepotism advocate?

[geriatrickid]

A good example of this was Mr. Abhisit selecting Mr. Korn, his old classmate and friend, for the important position of finance minister. It is why the current cabinet is filled with people that go back a long way with each other. No matter the political label, long time friendships and associations count. It is a rule of business in Thailand that successful foreign investors understand

Korn was highly qualified and competent for the Finance Minister position. Can you say the same for the people now in power? Are you a nepotism advocate?

Actually, he really was not the best qualified. He had worked as an investment fund manager. This issue was discussed on another thread. The current finance minister is emminently more qualified particularly because of his lengthy experience in the national and international financial markets and work with international bodies. Mr. Korn worked for one of the banking groups implicated in the international financial crisis, not that I blame him for that, but it is hardly a gold star on the CV. A finance minister is much more than a funds manager. However, my point was that Mr. Korn owed his position in large part to his friendship with Mr. Abhisit. There were suggestions to appoint others. Mr. Abhisit went with his friend. It is not a swipe at Mr. Abhisit as this is how it works here.

You do not seem to understand the definition of nepotism. I am neither approving nor disapproving. Rather, I am recognizing that is how it works here and that a successful business operation takes that into account.

Edited January 8, 2012 by geriatrickid

[scorecard]

Some of the biggest Thai companies are behind Thaksin.

That's because they make more money when he is in power. People are only against corruption when they don't benefit from it. Much of the support of Thaksin is about money, regardless of how it's acquired, not idealistic concepts like "democracy".

Agree, many of my Thai acquantances who well understand the big picture say exactly the same thing.

[scorecard]

A good example of this was Mr. Abhisit selecting Mr. Korn, his old classmate and friend, for the important position of finance minister. It is why the current cabinet is filled with people that go back a long way with each other. No matter the political label, long time friendships and associations count. It is a rule of business in Thailand that successful foreign investors understand

Korn was highly qualified and competent for the Finance Minister position. Can you say the same for the people now in power? Are you a nepotism advocate?

Actually, he really was not the best qualified. He had worked as an investment fund manager. This issue was discussed on another thread. The current finance minister is emminently more qualified particularly because of his lengthy experience in the national and international financial markets and work with international bodies. Mr. Korn worked for one of the banking groups implicated in the international financial crisis, not that I blame him for that, but it is hardly a gold star on the CV. A finance minister is much more than a funds manager. However, my point was that Mr. Korn owed his position in large part to his friendship with Mr. Abhisit. There were suggestions to appoint others. Mr. Abhisit went with his friend. It is not a swipe at Mr. Abhisit as this is how it works here.

You do not seem to understand the definition of nepotism. I am neither approving nor disapproving. Rather, I am recognizing that is how it works here and that a successful business operation takes that into account.

So you don't disapprove of chalerms sons suddenly being placed in high positions with no strong qualifications or impressive experience. Just one example, at one stage one of his sons (basically a fresh graduate from Ram.) was appointed to a military law advisory committee.

That's all OK is it?

[Siripon]

I read an interview with Kwanchai, the leader of "Rak Udon' yesterday. I've translated some extracts which maybe of interest to some readers.

Q. Some red shirts groups are proposing changes to the constitution, what are your thoughts?

A. These people are not real fighters, they're simply out for personal benefit.Some of them used to work for me in the past, arranging media activities. At the time of the petition for a royal Pardon for Thaksin, Rak Udon group collected 400,000 signatures, but these groups now couldn't get 10,000 to come to a rally. There were only 500 people at one of their concerts, more vendors than spectators.

Myself and Issan people have faith in Chalerm, like him,we believe changes to the constitution can wait. The government has no achievements yet due to the floods.There is no need for conflict now, we have 4 years. Clause 113 should be left alone. We never oppose or criticise the monarchy. We are loyal to the crown like Thaksin.I don't care if the hard core reds are angry with me, they only hide behind microphones and cyberspace.I live with the people.I'm building a red shirt centre on 18 rai, costing 15 million baht, I want the government to establish a trading centre and meeting hall.

I believe Yingluk will be PM for 2 sessions, 8 years in all.

Q. What direction will the red shirts of Issan take from now on?

A. Upcountry people don't want to be the tools of anyone anymore. Issan people lost a lot in the struggle for democracy.From now on we will work for the benefit of society, ie the ordination of 999 monks for the King on Jan 9th. Another example is the collection of 1 million bottles of water for the flood victims.

We support ourselves,we have received little support from either the UDD or Thaksin.

I went to visit Thaksin in the capacity of someone who respects and loves him, I never asked for anything though Thaksin may have given me 100,000 to 200,000 baht for the flights, the most I got was when I went to Cambodia to meet him, I received 500,000 baht. But Thaksin has never given me money for the movement, for he knows I am where I am because the peole have faith in me,not because of money.

Q. What are the aims of the 20 provinces red shirt assembly?

A. We want to make the movement stronger over the next 3 years, Korat is weak in terms of red support at present but with the death of Pairote and Suwat's party lacking a firm base,we should increase our numbers. The same in Buriram.Pheua Thai should win all 126 seats in Issan in the next election.

I want Thaksin to come home, I love Thaksin and his policies, I want the leaders of the UDD to understand the feelings of the villagers,notice the reaction of some villagers to the UDD leaders, the leaders should realise villagers are not stupid, rather they are straightforward, they love sincerely but if they feel they have been cheated they will react accordingly and the situation today is the people feel they have been cheated. If the UDD leaders arrange a football match in Sakon Nakhon with the whole UDD committee playing, there will be a crowd of only 100 people, but I only have to blow the whistle once and 4,000 to 5,000 people will come!

[JurgenG]

This thread, this meeting between Jatuporn and Suriyasai is about friendship stronger than political division, it's about reconciliation, it's about people having different political opinion but still being able to live in the same country in harmony

Suriyasai said it was true that he is a friend of Jatuporn, but added that the friendship would not affect his political stance. He is still fighting against Jatuporn's boss, former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, he said.

You may as well read it the other way "Suriyasai said it was true that is still fighting against Jatuporn's boss, former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, but that his political stance would not affect his friendship."

But it's obvious that some people want none of that. No reconciliation, no friendship, just hate and division. That's the same people who are responsible for the trouble Thailand suffers for the past five years : the PAD people, the yellows ! It's clear from this article, the PAD doesn't want reconciliation. They hate democracy, they hate freedom. Why are people so blind they can't understand that ?

Edited January 8, 2012 by JurgenG

[TAWP]

This thread, this meeting between Jatuporn and Suriyasai is about friendship stronger than political division, it's about reconciliation, it's about people having different political opinion but still being able to live in the same country in harmony

Suriyasai said it was true that he is a friend of Jatuporn, but added that the friendship would not affect his political stance. He is still fighting against Jatuporn's boss, former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, he said.

You may as well read it the other way "Suriyasai said it was true that is still fighting against Jatuporn's boss, former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, but that his political stance would not affect his friendship."

But it's obvious that some people want none of that. No reconciliation, no friendship, just hate and division. That's the same people who are responsible for the trouble Thailand suffers for the past five years : the PAD people, the yellows ! It's clear from this article, the PAD doesn't want reconciliation. They hate democracy, they hate freedom. Why are people so blind they can't understand that ?

Aspiring NotTheNation writer?

[JurgenG]

This thread, this meeting between Jatuporn and Suriyasai is about friendship stronger than political division, it's about reconciliation, it's about people having different political opinion but still being able to live in the same country in harmony

Suriyasai said it was true that he is a friend of Jatuporn, but added that the friendship would not affect his political stance. He is still fighting against Jatuporn's boss, former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, he said.

You may as well read it the other way "Suriyasai said it was true that is still fighting against Jatuporn's boss, former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, but that his political stance would not affect his friendship."

But it's obvious that some people want none of that. No reconciliation, no friendship, just hate and division. That's the same people who are responsible for the trouble Thailand suffers for the past five years : the PAD people, the yellows ! It's clear from this article, the PAD doesn't want reconciliation. They hate democracy, they hate freedom. Why are people so blind they can't understand that ?

Aspiring NotTheNation writer?

Please explain me what I got wrong ?

What I read is that Jatuporn and Suriyasai can manage to have very different political opinion and still be friend.

Who is not happy about that ? The PAD.

The PAD has always based its strategy on lies, defamation and character assassination. Nothing positive. They never run for any elected position because they have nothing to offer. They only thing they ever did is to promote distrust and division.

Is there something here you don't agree with ? Please explain.

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The PAD has always based its strategy on lies, defamation and character assassination. Nothing positive. They never run for any elected position because they have nothing to offer. They only thing they ever did is to promote distrust and division.

Is there something here you don't agree with ? Please explain.

You say "The PAD has always based its strategy on lies, defamation and character assassination. Nothing positive".

Well I don't agree.

In fact I saw a strong positive in their early aims to oust the paymaster, they had good reasons to say :"this guy is out of control and is dangerous and he should be thown out". It was not a lot of lies at all. I agreed with their stance.

I invite you to back up your claims of lies, defamation and character assassination.

But did I then or do I now see their original leader as mr. lilly white? No. Would I support a move for him to be PM? No.

I also suggest to you that the PAD seems to have morphed into somethng quite different in recent times and I would now not be too keen to support a number of comments and action from them.

And by the way, if you want to talk about lies then whats you comment on the numerous and blatant lies told by the paymaster, jatuporn, veera etc., and jatuporn playing doctored tapes (proven to be doctoted) in parliament and to the red masses?

[geriatrickid]

So you don't disapprove of chalerms sons suddenly being placed in high positions with no strong qualifications or impressive experience. Just one example, at one stage one of his sons (basically a fresh graduate from Ram.) was appointed to a military law advisory committee.

That's all OK is it?

I am not in a position to pass judgement. Had the person appointed been qualified, then I don't think he should be penalized. Personally, I don't think these sort of appointments are a good idea, but that is from my western perspective. What you may not understand, is that this is how it works in Thailand and has worked for centuries. I don't think they are about to change because the all knowing farang says to change.

Is your intent to go off on a tangent and provide examples of questionable appointments? If so, this thread would never end. In Patong, a stronghold of the Democrat party, the taxi mafia holds sway and the mayor is part of the taxi collective and is implicated in the jetski and beach chair activities. I think its wrong, but I cannot do much because this is how the Thais run things.