WSJ: U.S. military seeks more powerful bomb against Iran

[Steely Dan]

Doesn't look very different from fundamental American christianity then, does it.

There are nutters on all sides, admit it.

Last I looked the Democrats were in charge in the U.S, as for Iran I really suggest you do some research on Twelvers and Shiite day of judgement prophecies. Google Khamenei twelver for some background.

[Steely Dan]

Because their values are a threat to western values. Yes, I am talking about Islamo-fascist totalitarian radical Islamic fundamentalist extremism and Iran has shown evidence they are into exporting those values, including in Muslim Thailand. Sorry, no!

Christains and jews live in iran peacefully. Didnt you know that?

Tell that to the guy with a death sentence over him for converting to Christianity.

[maiphedmaiaroi]

Doesn't look very different from fundamental American christianity then, does it.

There are nutters on all sides, admit it.

Last I looked the Democrats were in charge in the U.S, as for Iran I really suggest you do some research on Twelvers and Shiite day of judgement prophecies. Google Khamenei twelver for some background.

Paid for democrats. I suggest you do some research too.

[philw]

Because their values are a threat to western values. Yes, I am talking about Islamo-fascist totalitarian radical Islamic fundamentalist extremism and Iran has shown evidence they are into exporting those values, including in Muslim Thailand. Sorry, no!

Christains and jews live in iran peacefully. Didnt you know that?

Very good and true point.

Thank you.

The current problems are more about individual ego and political grandstanding than historical emnity.

A hundred years on from now it won't matter anyway.

It amazes me however that there are those here who seem to want and relish yet more war and destruction.

Sad really.

[philw]

Doesn't look very different from fundamental American christianity then, does it.

There are nutters on all sides, admit it.

Last I looked the Democrats were in charge in the U.S, as for Iran I really suggest you do some research on Twelvers and Shiite day of judgement prophecies. Google Khamenei twelver for some background.

yeah, give me the old testament anyday for it's purity, kindness and beneficial humanitarianism.............

They all suck.

[philw]

Because their values are a threat to western values. Yes, I am talking about Islamo-fascist totalitarian radical Islamic fundamentalist extremism

We appear to have pulled into Hyperbole Central...

Yes, quite hard to define that.

where is private eye when you need it ??

Dave Spart ???

[Jingthing]

Because their values are a threat to western values. Yes, I am talking about Islamo-fascist totalitarian radical Islamic fundamentalist extremism and Iran has shown evidence they are into exporting those values, including in Muslim Thailand. Sorry, no!

Christains and jews live in iran peacefully. Didnt you know that?

Under the Shah, 100,000 Jews.

Now, 20,000 Jews.

Do the math.

The Iranian Jews today must live very segregated lives today unlike under the Shah.

Sure, most that remain, MOSTLY OLD, are home in Iran.

So you're saying that proves what exactly, that Iran hasn't murdered their own Persian Jews?

[Jingthing]

Because their values are a threat to western values. Yes, I am talking about Islamo-fascist totalitarian radical Islamic fundamentalist extremism

We appear to have pulled into Hyperbole Central...

Yes, quite hard to define that.

where is private eye when you need it ??

Dave Spart ???

Barbaric ancient Sharia law. Cutting off limbs for stealing. Stoning women. Hanging gays. You want more?

Don't forget the the mass murderous regime in SYRIA, close friend of Iran.

Edited January 28, 2012 by Jingthing

[philw]

Because their values are a threat to western values. Yes, I am talking about Islamo-fascist totalitarian radical Islamic fundamentalist extremism

We appear to have pulled into Hyperbole Central...

Yes, quite hard to define that.

where is private eye when you need it ??

Dave Spart ???

Barbaric ancient Sharia law. Cutting off limbs for stealing. Stoning women. Hanging gays. You want more?

Are you quoting from the old testament ??

[Jingthing]

Doesn't look very different from fundamental American christianity then, does it.

There are nutters on all sides, admit it.

Last I looked the Democrats were in charge in the U.S, as for Iran I really suggest you do some research on Twelvers and Shiite day of judgement prophecies. Google Khamenei twelver for some background.

yeah, give me the old testament anyday for it's purity, kindness and beneficial humanitarianism.............

They all suck.

Not talking about the religious texts of the big religions. Talking about the modern political reality in some countries using religious texts in disgusting ways.

[maiphedmaiaroi]

Because their values are a threat to western values. Yes, I am talking about Islamo-fascist totalitarian radical Islamic fundamentalist extremism and Iran has shown evidence they are into exporting those values, including in Muslim Thailand. Sorry, no!

Christains and jews live in iran peacefully. Didnt you know that?

Under the Shah, 100,000 Jews.

Now, 20,000 Jews.

Do the math.

The Iranian Jews today must live very segregated lives today unlike under the Shah.

Sure, most that remain, MOSTLY OLD, are home in Iran.

So you're saying that proves what exactly, that Iran hasn't murdered their own Persian Jews?

I dont know about statistics but can you show me how a link to how you found out iran murdered the persian jews.

[Jingthing]

Because their values are a threat to western values. Yes, I am talking about Islamo-fascist totalitarian radical Islamic fundamentalist extremism and Iran has shown evidence they are into exporting those values, including in Muslim Thailand. Sorry, no!

Christains and jews live in iran peacefully. Didnt you know that?

Under the Shah, 100,000 Jews.

Now, 20,000 Jews.

Do the math.

The Iranian Jews today must live very segregated lives today unlike under the Shah.

Sure, most that remain, MOSTLY OLD, are home in Iran.

So you're saying that proves what exactly, that Iran hasn't murdered their own Persian Jews?

I dont know about statistics but can you show me how a link to how you found out iran murdered the persian jews.

No link because I never said that. Please reread before posting again. Refer my statements to the text I was responding to. Sorry if you didn't get it the first time. Cheers.

In case that's too much for you:

what I am saying is --

They almost all LEFT

Those left are mostly OLD

Those left have to be Quislings and can't rock the boat

Those left must stick with their own kind, when before the Islamic revolution they didn't

Yes I have talked to and met Jewish Iranian exiles, and they say it sucked there big time for Jews. What Jews who are stuck there or are too old to leave tell reporters is obviously different. Figure that one out.

Edited January 28, 2012 by Jingthing

[maiphedmaiaroi]

No link because I never said that. Please reread before posting again. Refer my statements to the text I was responding to. Sorry if you didn't get it the first time. Cheers.

From what you said it came across you meant Iran has been murdering jews due to the sharp drop.

All i found was this.....

At the time of the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, there were approximately 140,000–150,000 Jews living in iran, the historical center of Persian Jewry. Over 85% have since migrated to either Israel or the united states, with the migration accelerating after the 1979 islamic revolution, when the population dropped from 100,000 to about 40,000

Thats from wiki so not so reliable.

Edited January 28, 2012 by maiphedmaiaroi

[Jingthing]

No link because I never said that. Please reread before posting again. Refer my statements to the text I was responding to. Sorry if you didn't get it the first time. Cheers.

From what you said it came across you meant Iran has been murdering jews due to the sharp drop.

All i found was this.....

At the time of the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, there were approximately 140,000–150,000 Jews living in iran, the historical center of Persian Jewry. Over 85% have since migrated to either Israel or the united states, with the migration accelerating after the 1979 islamic revolution, when the population dropped from 100,000 to about 40,000

Thats from wiki so not so reliable.

I said no such thing. Read the text in the context of what it was replying to! Stop telling me I said something I didn't say.

[maiphedmaiaroi]

No link because I never said that. Please reread before posting again. Refer my statements to the text I was responding to. Sorry if you didn't get it the first time. Cheers.

From what you said it came across you meant Iran has been murdering jews due to the sharp drop.

All i found was this.....

At the time of the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, there were approximately 140,000–150,000 Jews living in iran, the historical center of Persian Jewry. Over 85% have since migrated to either Israel or the united states, with the migration accelerating after the 1979 islamic revolution, when the population dropped from 100,000 to about 40,000

Thats from wiki so not so reliable.

I said no such thing. Read the text in the context of what it was replying to! Stop telling me I said something I didn't say.

touchy!!!!!!!!!!!

[janverbeem]

Now, 20,000 Jews.

Do the math.

The Iranian Jews today must live very segregated lives today unlike under the Shah.

Sure, most that remain, MOSTLY OLD, are home in Iran.

So you're saying that proves what exactly, that Iran hasn't murdered their own Persian Jews?

I dont know about statistics but can you show me how a link to how you found out iran murdered the persian jews.

No link because I never said that. Please reread before posting again. Refer my statements to the text I was responding to. Sorry if you didn't get it the first time. Cheers.

In case that's too much for you:

what I am saying is --

They almost all LEFT

Those left are mostly OLD

Those left have to be Quislings and can't rock the boat

Those left must stick with their own kind, when before the Islamic revolution they didn't

Yes I have talked to and met Jewish Iranian exiles, and they say it sucked there big time for Jews. What Jews who are stuck there or are too old to leave tell reporters is obviously different. Figure that one out.

Sorry to get involved in the discussion,but I see nowhere in your first post that you use the words,or indicate that they left or anything for that matter.

What I see is that you were clearly insinuating that they had been murdered by the Iranian regime,and that you now try to retract on your words ONLY because Maiphedmaiaroi took you on.

Edited January 28, 2012 by janverbeem

[Jingthing]

OMG! This is incredible. It's like you don't believe me when I am telling you that wasn't my meaning.

OK, I get the confusion, but really how many times do I need to repeat that wasn't my meaning?

I can assure you 100 percent I never thought for one second that Iran has murdered their Jews or intended to communicate that. If you don't believe me, I can't help you further.

Other poster:

Christains and jews live in iran peacefully. Didnt you know that?

Me: REPLYING TO ABOVE, note the concept

Under the Shah, 100,000 Jews.

Now, 20,000 Jews.

Do the math.

The Iranian Jews today must live very segregated lives today unlike under the Shah.

Sure, most that remain, MOSTLY OLD, are home in Iran.

So you're saying that proves what exactly, that Iran hasn't murdered their own Persian Jews?

What I meant is that I AGREE Iran hasn't murdered their Persian Jews but to say Jews live peacefully in Iran when you know the facts about how the vast majority fled and what life is like for those who are left, that it doesn't in any way prove that life is good in Iran for Jews.

Edited January 28, 2012 by Jingthing

[Maestro]

An off-topic post has been deleted. This topic is about Iran and we cannot discuss here all the other countries in the world that are suspected of developing a nuclear bomb.

[janverbeem]

OMG! This is incredible. It's like you don't believe me when I am telling you that wasn't my meaning.

OK, I get the confusion, but really how many times do I need to repeat that wasn't my meaning?

I can assure you 100 percent I never thought for one second that Iran has murdered their Jews or intended to communicate that. If you don't believe me, I can't help you further.

Other poster:

Christains and jews live in iran peacefully. Didnt you know that?

Me:

So you're saying that proves what exactly, that Iran hasn't murdered their own Persian Jews?

What I meant is that I AGREE Iran hasn't murdered their Persian Jews but to say Jews live peacefully in Iran when you know the facts about how the vast majority fled and what life is like for those who are left, that it doesn't in any way prove that life is good in Iran for Jews.

Ok,if you now proof that English is not your first language,I will believe you.

[Jingthing]

I could have worded it much better. Move on.

[maiphedmaiaroi]

Now, 20,000 Jews.

Do the math.

The Iranian Jews today must live very segregated lives today unlike under the Shah.

Sure, most that remain, MOSTLY OLD, are home in Iran.

So you're saying that proves what exactly, that Iran hasn't murdered their own Persian Jews?

I dont know about statistics but can you show me how a link to how you found out iran murdered the persian jews.

No link because I never said that. Please reread before posting again. Refer my statements to the text I was responding to. Sorry if you didn't get it the first time. Cheers.

In case that's too much for you:

what I am saying is --

They almost all LEFT

Those left are mostly OLD

Those left have to be Quislings and can't rock the boat

Those left must stick with their own kind, when before the Islamic revolution they didn't

Yes I have talked to and met Jewish Iranian exiles, and they say it sucked there big time for Jews. What Jews who are stuck there or are too old to leave tell reporters is obviously different. Figure that one out.

Sorry to get involved in the discussion,but I see nowhere in your first post that you use the words,or indicate that they left or anything for that matter.

What I see is that you were clearly insinuating that they had been murdered by the Iranian regime,and that you now try to retract on your words ONLY because Maiphedmaiaroi took you on.

Yeah i read it several times and it still looked like he insinuated the number of jews have been reduced due to the iranian regime eliminating them.

"So you're saying that proves what exactly, that Iran HASN'T murdered their own Persian Jews?"

Anyway english is his mother tongue or american english should i say.

Maybe its the acid. I say that because his avatar looks very trippy.

[flying]

The U.S. military spent about $330 million to develop about 20 MOPs, but the U.S. Department of Defense has now submitted a secret request to U.S. Congress for another $82 million to enhance the bomb's ability to penetrate deeper into rock, concrete and steel before exploding, according to U.S. officials who spoke to the Wall Street Journal.

330 Million for 20 bombs?

Plus an additional 82 MILLION to enhance them ?

330+82= 412 MILLION / 10 bombs = $20.6 MILLION per bomb !!!!

A nice request at a time when we are spinning down the drain into total bankruptcy

with the added benefit of being more & more scrutinized as no longer being worthy of being the

Worlds reserve currency. Is it any wonder?

All at a time when we as a nation are already 15 TRILLION in the hole

A hole that was dug in good part by undeclared/unfunded wars

All at a time when 15 Million are officially unemployed?

Remember officially are those who qualify for collecting UE benefits

It does not count those whose benefits long ran out or those who never

qualified....aka: small business owners

Will the only jobs left in this new America be working for the Military Industrial Complex?

All at a time when the US population of 312 million

now counts close to FIFTY MILLION on government Food Assistance

THINK about that....1 in 6 US citizens cannot afford to buy food

ENOUGH........Situational ethics aside ENOUGH

While the US plays world cop & deputizes their friends

While allowing their friends to go unchecked/un-inspected for nuclear

capabilities they will consider not their own citizens welfare/futures?

Is it not situational ethics to claim Iran is breaking a treaty that We ourselves

(USA) have long since broken?

Is it not situational ethics to claim Iran who has allowed inspections be bombed

yet allow our deputized so called friends to remain unchecked/un-inspected?

Is it not situational ethics to claim Iran is a world threat because they say the

*may* block the Straights of Hormuz if acts of war are perpetuated upon them without cause?

Yet how long have we allowed...again our friends/deputies to actually not only

blockade certain ports but also tread out into international waters to not only attack & kill who they deem a threat but

also to suffer an attack onto our own naval vessel & then for the first time in history follow it up

with NO CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS?

Situational ethics are claiming that Iran wants to make war yet who in reality has made war over & over again?

Who has been aggressive both physically by placing warships close to Iran & who has been aggressive

with economic sanctions that has put a squeeze on people who have committed no actual proven wrongs?

Yes some have said Iran has been aggressive thru funding terrorist.....Please will first large power involved

raise their hand if they have not funded various groups when it suited THEIR purposes?

Yes they may have been called Freedom Fighters when it suited THEIR purposes but it is one in the same.

All involved in Libya funded terrorist when it suited their needs. Those involved in funding those who fought

Russians in Afghanistan same....The list goes back as far as you want to look with open eyes.

Situational Ethics is proving to be the downfall of all of us. Judge the tree by its fruits before

selecting the next boogieman to attack. But before spending more of our lives & our economic futures

Edited January 28, 2012 by flying

[Jingthing]

OMG, yet another rant about the USS Liberty, something that happened in 1967. News flash -- we've heard it 1000 times already!

Edited January 28, 2012 by Jingthing

[maiphedmaiaroi]

That wasnt a rant.

It was complete truth.

If you cant see that then there is no helping folk like you. Surely your not set in your ways that much JT. Surely not

Why do soooo many people on this planet have there head in the sand.

If people dont begin to take there head out or wake the <deleted> up. These war crimes and hoax wars will keep going on and on and on.

Edited January 28, 2012 by maiphedmaiaroi

[Carib]

The U.S. military spent about $330 million to develop about 20 MOPs, but the U.S. Department of Defense has now submitted a secret request to U.S. Congress for another $82 million to enhance the bomb's ability to penetrate deeper into rock, concrete and steel before exploding, according to U.S. officials who spoke to the Wall Street Journal.

330 Million for 20 bombs?

Plus an additional 82 MILLION to enhance them ?

330+82= 412 MILLION / 10 bombs = $20.6 MILLION per bomb !!!!

A nice request at a time when we are spinning down the drain into total bankruptcy

with the added benefit of being more & more scrutinized as no longer being worthy of being the

Worlds reserve currency. Is it any wonder?

All at a time when we as a nation are already 15 TRILLION in the hole

A hole that was dug in good part by undeclared/unfunded wars

All at a time when 15 Million are officially unemployed?

Remember officially are those who qualify for collecting UE benefits

It does not count those whose benefits long ran out or those who never

qualified....aka: small business owners

Will the only jobs left in this new America be working for the Military Industrial Complex?

All at a time when the US population of 312 million

now counts close to FIFTY MILLION on government Food Assistance

THINK about that....1 in 6 US citizens cannot afford to buy food

ENOUGH........Situational ethics aside ENOUGH

While the US plays world cop & deputizes their friends

While allowing their friends to go unchecked/un-inspected for nuclear

capabilities they will consider not their own citizens welfare/futures?

Is it not situational ethics to claim Iran is breaking a treaty that We ourselves

(USA) have long since broken?

Is it not situational ethics to claim Iran who has allowed inspections be bombed

yet allow our deputized so called friends to remain unchecked/un-inspected?

Is it not situational ethics to claim Iran is a world threat because they say the

*may* block the Straights of Hormuz if acts of war are perpetuated upon them without cause?

Yet how long have we allowed...again our friends/deputies to actually not only

blockade certain ports but also tread out into international waters to not only attack & kill who they deem a threat but

also to suffer an attack onto our own naval vessel & then for the first time in history follow it up

with NO CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS?

Situational ethics are claiming that Iran wants to make war yet who in reality has made war over & over again?

Who has been aggressive both physically by placing warships close to Iran & who has been aggressive

with economic sanctions that has put a squeeze on people who have committed no actual proven wrongs?

Yes some have said Iran has been aggressive thru funding terrorist.....Please will first large power involved

raise their hand if they have not funded various groups when it suited THEIR purposes?

Yes they may have been called Freedom Fighters when it suited THEIR purposes but it is one in the same.

All involved in Libya funded terrorist when it suited their needs. Those involved in funding those who fought

Russians in Afghanistan same....The list goes back as far as you want to look with open eyes.

Situational Ethics is proving to be the downfall of all of us. Judge the tree by its fruits before

selecting the next boogieman to attack. But before spending more of our lives & our economic futures

The voice of reason and truth, as always. Respect Sir .

[Scott]

I strongly suggest you get back to the subject of the OP and stop arguing off-topic subjects.

[Pakboong]

Hope it doesnt kill to many innocent people or those russian guys that are in one of the nuclear plants.

The US are the only country in the history of the planet to use a atom bomb (twice of course) Whats stopping them this time?

Blowback, obviously. (Regarding these stronger non-nuke bombs.)

The topic isn't about the US using nukes, but you couldn't help yourself, could you?

It now seems the US is becoming more serious that Iran having nukes is not going to be tolerated. So will the tougher sanctions work, or not?

If it does come to bombing, the idea of course is to further damage Iran's nuclear program. Having bombs capable of doing that sounds like good idea if it comes to bombing. Bombing with no result would mean massive blowback with no benefit. Now that would be stupid.

BTW, let's keep this real here. Iran isn't Iraq. No credible person seriously thinks Iran isn't going for either ready-to-use nukes, or one quick step short of that. For those that think that is OK, that is a defensible point of view especially if you are a partisan of Iran and/or hate Israel and/or USA. A war mentality has been brewing and its natural to take sides. No, I am not saying that if Iran gets the weapons potential they want, that they will necessarily use them. I am saying if they do get them they will have significantly changed the balance of power in the middle east and possibly globally. Don't be surprised if the USA and its allies are not cool with that.

i guess I am not a credible person. There are position papers by pretty much every serious intelligence agency in both Israel and the US who don't agree with your logic. I have to say, that is good enough for me. To risk WW3 over such as this is a tragedy in the making.

[Scott]

A baiting, off-topic post has been deleted.

Proceed with a discussion based on the OP.

[pauljones]

"In October 2005, recently elected President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad quoted Ayatollah Khomeini and declared, “As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map.” “And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism” (AP, October 26, 2005)."

Can we really take any chances and let Iran have a nuke?

Israel will not let it happen I guarantee.

[Ulysses G.]

To risk WW3 over such as this is a tragedy in the making.

So we should just let these lunatics develop nuclear weapons? Sorry, but the Neville Chamberlain approach does not work.