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I dunno, OP, with a photo like that as an avatar, and this topic...................................I'm calling TROLL !!!!!!!!!

Why? troll? because a young guy who obviously spends alot of time in the gym working out, and is proud of his physique uses it as his avatar.make him in your eyes a troll???

Because hes not a fat gutted grumpy old man , in your eyes he's not for real? pleeease.....good grief...heard it all now..

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don't agree with his conclusion of intolerance and predjudice on this Phuket Forum. I believe the topic just opens the door for the "Phuket sucks because I've been to Patong and know it does" crowd.

yep, many Phuket bashers around, with no experience of Phuket, neither from our TV forum or real life. Perhaps been to Patong, a tiny dot on the Phuket map

and Ops avatar did make some bells ring, I was just to modest to commentgiggle.gif

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I dunno, OP, with a photo like that as an avatar, and this topic...................................I'm calling TROLL !!!!!!!!!

Trolls need friends too.

Don't you worry, Trapflex, he's just showing off his intolerance and prejudice - for which our forum is rightfully, and proudly, famous!

Thats a load of BS and for how many posts you have, haven't seen you on the Phuket Forum enough for you to make that conclusion.

Looking at his post count not on Phuket forum, but he has been around on the other forums.

My apologies - I had not intended to single out the Phuket sub-forum; rather TV as a whole...

For maipompui... I don't think that's a picture of him, I think its his last meal...

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I dunno, OP, with a photo like that as an avatar, and this topic...................................I'm calling TROLL !!!!!!!!!

Why? troll? because a young guy who obviously spends alot of time in the gym working out, and is proud of his physique uses it as his avatar.make him in your eyes a troll???

Because hes not a fat gutted grumpy old man , in your eyes he's not for real? pleeease.....good grief...heard it all now..

Ah yeah, I'll come up with a new nic, "superhotbabe" and put up a picture of a Russian supermodel and you'll believe that's me, right maipompui?

you might have heard it all......but you believe it all? Ha, ha

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For those who don't know him, Street Cowboy has been around for a while and has a "different" sense of humour to many. He's not a Phuket basher as such, he just likes to stir the pot a bit now and again. (Like some others I know whistling.gif)

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don't agree with his conclusion of intolerance and predjudice on this Phuket Forum. I believe the topic just opens the door for the "Phuket sucks because I've been to Patong and know it does" crowd.

yep, many Phuket bashers around, with no experience of Phuket, neither from our TV forum or real life. Perhaps been to Patong, a tiny dot on the Phuket map

and Ops avatar did make some bells ring, I was just to modest to commentgiggle.gif

We all like it here, that's why we chose to live here, but I'll be the first to say that most would classify me as "a Phuket basher." I don't mind admitting that I am highly critical of the way tourism is administrated on Phuket by certain "influential people."

Things like no water, or electricity black-outs, internet down, flooding etc etc do not bother me at all. Reading about another tourist dying on a motor scooter because of the tuk-tuk situation here does anger me somewhat because the greed of certain individuals, in this case, is killing people here, literally.

Phuket does have its negatives, there is nothing wrong with pointing them out to newbies. We all give advice to our friends, who are here for their first time, to stay away from the jet skis, time share etc etc - is that Phuket bashing or sound advice?

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Phuket does have its negatives, there is nothing wrong with pointing them out to newbies. We all give advice to our friends, who are here for their first time, to stay away from the jet skis, time share etc etc - is that Phuket bashing or sound advice?

Every place has it negatives. Your point of view though is very limited.

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Phuket does have its negatives, there is nothing wrong with pointing them out to newbies. We all give advice to our friends, who are here for their first time, to stay away from the jet skis, time share etc etc - is that Phuket bashing or sound advice?

Every place has it negatives. Your point of view though is very limited.

I see "the bigger picture" - you have a business here, and the conflict of interests is shown in your posts.

Sure, every place has it's negatives, but the systematic and entrenched collusion to defraud tourists here is unrivaled in any other tourist hotspot that I have been to, and I've been to a few.

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Phuket does have its negatives, there is nothing wrong with pointing them out to newbies. We all give advice to our friends, who are here for their first time, to stay away from the jet skis, time share etc etc - is that Phuket bashing or sound advice?

Every place has it negatives. Your point of view though is very limited.

I see "the bigger picture" - you have a business here, and the conflict of interests is shown in your posts.

Sure, every place has it's negatives, but the systematic and entrenched collusion to defraud tourists here is unrivaled in any other tourist hotspot that I have been to, and I've been to a few.

We're going off topic here, but that accusation (conflict of interest) has no basis, I simply have a different, much more positive, view on Phuket in particular.

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Aren't you guys forgetting the last "official" Thaivisa meet-up?

It was at a bar-restaurant in Kata, on the corner of the road that goes to the north end of Kata beach and the road that goes up on the headland.

No......I didn't go to that one either, but, from what I heard it was swamped with free-loaders who left when the free-drinks ran out.

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Aren't you guys forgetting the last "official" Thaivisa meet-up?

It was at a bar-restaurant in Kata, on the corner of the road that goes to the north end of Kata beach and the road that goes up on the headland.

No......I didn't go to that one either, but, from what I heard it was swamped with free-loaders who left when the free-drinks ran out.

There was 1 free beer when ya got there so you heard wrong

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Phuket does have its negatives, there is nothing wrong with pointing them out to newbies. We all give advice to our friends, who are here for their first time, to stay away from the jet skis, time share etc etc - is that Phuket bashing or sound advice?

Every place has it negatives. Your point of view though is very limited.

I see "the bigger picture" - you have a business here, and the conflict of interests is shown in your posts.

Sure, every place has it's negatives, but the systematic and entrenched collusion to defraud tourists here is unrivaled in any other tourist hotspot that I have been to, and I've been to a few.

We're going off topic here, but that accusation (conflict of interest) has no basis, I simply have a different, much more positive, view on Phuket in particular.

Nothing wrong with a positive outlook on life. However, to deny that Phuket, for many tourist, is a place without inherant risks of danger would not be an accurate description of the place.

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Patong has multiple advantages. One doesn't really need a car, which is a good thing since traffic is frustrating. There is an abundance of restaurants and retail outlets and of course Jungceylon. True, prices are often 10-25% higher but it is a reflection of the "convenience" factor. I can go out and be back in my secured premises (as secure as they are in Thailand absence an armed guard and APC in the driveway) within 10 minutes. The Patong beach is only good for walking, but there are beautiful beaches all within close proximity. I like Karon beach and I also shop in the bazaar. If I really need something special there is Central and of course the markets, but this requires having my friend(s) drive me and to be blunt, Thai shopping behaviour is enough to make me want to go play in traffic. I much prefer the area up around Laguna, but the reality is that I would have no social life if I hung around in that area. My friends live just outside Patong and either work in the ring zone or within Patong including the lead broomstick rider.

I despise Patong now because of the overdevelopment, the noise and pollution. However, I'd be miserable elsewhere as I would have to purchase a vehicle and be cut off from my favourite eating and drinking spots. I don't drink and drive and detest the tuktuks, so the luxury of walking home after a big meal or a few drinks is wonderful. I like being able to walk over to the cinema or to go bowling with the gang. It works or me because I don't have a family and my "partner" is gainfully employed working long hours. I am also off island for most of the year. Yes, there are better places on Phuket, but for some of us it does the trick as a base of operations. I am considering a relocation to the Hua Hin area. It is less expensive, upscale, safe and has one of the better foreign resident demographics. In plain language one doesn't have to run the gauntlet of touts and slobs that a tourist town has to offer.

What sums it up for me is that the governor is being lobbyied to allow mortorcycle races on the beach road during Phuket bike week. One of the most assinine ideas ever floated on a stretch of road with heavy vehicle traffic, high pedestrian traffic, no crosswalks and no pedestrian signals.

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Patong has multiple advantages. One doesn't really need a car, which is a good thing since traffic is frustrating. There is an abundance of restaurants and retail outlets and of course Jungceylon. True, prices are often 10-25% higher but it is a reflection of the "convenience" factor. I can go out and be back in my secured premises (as secure as they are in Thailand absence an armed guard and APC in the driveway) within 10 minutes. The Patong beach is only good for walking, but there are beautiful beaches all within close proximity. I like Karon beach and I also shop in the bazaar. If I really need something special there is Central and of course the markets, but this requires having my friend(s) drive me and to be blunt, Thai shopping behaviour is enough to make me want to go play in traffic. I much prefer the area up around Laguna, but the reality is that I would have no social life if I hung around in that area. My friends live just outside Patong and either work in the ring zone or within Patong including the lead broomstick rider.

I despise Patong now because of the overdevelopment, the noise and pollution. However, I'd be miserable elsewhere as I would have to purchase a vehicle and be cut off from my favourite eating and drinking spots. I don't drink and drive and detest the tuktuks, so the luxury of walking home after a big meal or a few drinks is wonderful. I like being able to walk over to the cinema or to go bowling with the gang. It works or me because I don't have a family and my "partner" is gainfully employed working long hours. I am also off island for most of the year. Yes, there are better places on Phuket, but for some of us it does the trick as a base of operations. I am considering a relocation to the Hua Hin area. It is less expensive, upscale, safe and has one of the better foreign resident demographics. In plain language one doesn't have to run the gauntlet of touts and slobs that a tourist town has to offer.

What sums it up for me is that the governor is being lobbyied to allow mortorcycle races on the beach road during Phuket bike week. One of the most assinine ideas ever floated on a stretch of road with heavy vehicle traffic, high pedestrian traffic, no crosswalks and no pedestrian signals.

As a vehicle-less Patong resident, I can agree with much of what GK says here. Others like to say that Phuket is not Patong, and I would also note that Patong is not just Bangla either. There are some good accommodations, goods & services, and cheap places to eat & drink in Patong away from the tourist rip-off areas. I haven't been to Bangla area in years and don't miss anything about it, but I still enjoy living in Patong.

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As a vehicle-less Patong resident, I can agree with much of what GK says here. Others like to say that Phuket is not Patong, and I would also note that Patong is not just Bangla either. There are some good accommodations, goods & services, and cheap places to eat & drink in Patong away from the tourist rip-off areas. I haven't been to Bangla area in years and don't miss anything about it, but I still enjoy living in Patong.

Good post. So many people make sweeping statements when they obviously have no real first hand experience, but instead just regurgitate the same tired old nonsense.

The thought that you could live a normal quiet life in Patong and never even see Bangla is a concept lost on most people who only know and repeat what they hear on forums.

I personally love Patong, but that's because I use it sparingly. I wouldn't want to live there myself but fully understand why others might.

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Nothing wrong with a positive outlook on life. However, to deny that Phuket, for many tourist, is a place without inherant risks of danger would not be an accurate description of the place.

What you say is perfectly true, but I tend to agree with the opinion given that your view is 'very limited'. That's not to say your knowledge is limited but the tendency to hone in on the negative aspects instead of the positive is clear to see. For example you are constantly moaning about things relating to tourists when you aren't even a tourist yourself. Perhaps a champion for the people, perhaps just someone that likes to moan, who knows.

I would also say that to accuse 'Stevenl' of having an agenda due to the fact that he has a business is utter tripe and uncalled for. His opinions on Phuket that I have read on this forum and the stuff I have read on another review site, have always been honest and accurate. He never denies the negative aspects of living in Phuket, he just isn't consumed by them as so many people are.

The sooner people learn to tell the difference between people who have 'rose coloured specs' and people who simply enjoy their lives and love living in Phuket, the better.

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Nothing wrong with a positive outlook on life. However, to deny that Phuket, for many tourist, is a place without inherant risks of danger would not be an accurate description of the place.

What you say is perfectly true, but I tend to agree with the opinion given that your view is 'very limited'. That's not to say your knowledge is limited but the tendency to hone in on the negative aspects instead of the positive is clear to see. For example you are constantly moaning about things relating to tourists when you aren't even a tourist yourself. Perhaps a champion for the people, perhaps just someone that likes to moan, who knows.

I would also say that to accuse 'Stevenl' of having an agenda due to the fact that he has a business is utter tripe and uncalled for. His opinions on Phuket that I have read on this forum and the stuff I have read on another review site, have always been honest and accurate. He never denies the negative aspects of living in Phuket, he just isn't consumed by them as so many people are.

The sooner people learn to tell the difference between people who have 'rose coloured specs' and people who simply enjoy their lives and love living in Phuket, the better.

As I have previously stated, you will never hear me "moan" about certain aspects of living here. Eg. no water, power black-outs, poor drainage (flooding) internet down etc etc. I am well traveled and have spent a lot of time in third world nations.

Where I am very vocal, and highly critical, is the actions of certain "influential people" on this island that are having a direct negative impact on tourist, and tourism, on this island. The biggest being the transport debarcle here. Just yesterday, another tourist dead from a road accident. I don't really want to get into the argument whether alcohol was involved etc etc, even though it probably was. However, for 10 baht, if they could have jumped on a baht bus to their bar, or caught a proper metered taxi, and returned home the same way, when intoxicated, she, and hundreds of others, may still be alive today. Sadly, the option of safe, affordable transport, does not exist here, not due to the lack of infastructure, but due to the greed, corruption and collusion of a few wealthy and influential Thai individuals on the island.

Your posts, under a previous username, are all along the same theme, and the same theme you state stevenl has. That is, "it doesn't effect me, and I am experienced enough here to avoid trouble, so therefore, Phuket is a nice, safe place and anyone who comes undone here it's their own fault and they must be stupid."

Many expats, like yourself, don't seem to care what happens to tourist, and tourism on Phuket, you think life will always be the same here, but, if/when tourism, or the tourist dollar shrinks, life for expats on the island will be adversly effected. So, I would suggest, even as expats, we have an interest in seeing tourism survive here.

So, I ask the question, what has anyone in authority here done to improve Phuket for tourist and tourism in recent time???? We still have all the scams, extortions, road death, drugs, murders (suicides) theft, assaults etc. For the jet skis and tuk-tuks it's still business as usual, ripping people off. Then, we have all the construction which is taking away from the natural beauty of the island and driving the price of property down, due to oversupply. In my own opinion, the place is getting worse, not any better.

I have never hired a jet ski, and refuse to use tuk-tuks, so, you may say it does not effect me, so why complain about them, but many times I walk along Patong Beach I can see the extortion unfolding and I feel sorry for the victim. Your attitude is the victim is stupid. Has it ever occured to you the victim may be highly educated and intelligent, but was simply uninformed the scam existed? Now, the good mood of their holiday is wrecked, they will not come back and they will tell all their friends never to come here. Incidents like this are happening on a regular basis, and across many different industries here.

To show you I have a balanced view, I agree that many tourist do come here and have a great time. They enjoy the sun, sand and sea etc. They get drunk and dance and have a great time. Statistically, there are more having a good time than not. I've never denied this. Most of my "negative" comments are on the entrenched and systemic corruption and collusion that is hurting people, physically (road accidents) and financially (scams/extortion) here on the island. I've never been the victim of anything major. Maybe the odd extra drink on the bill, or forgot to ask the price first, so paid more, just a minor things. I have never sent money to Issan, never been scammed by another farang, do not "own" property and do not have a business here. My negative posts are not "sour grapes."

I may be a champion for the people, I may be a moaner, I may just be a compassionate person, who knows, but, as we wake up this morning and read The PG, or any other news source, there will be another person killed or "mediated" out of their holiday money, or life savings, and, to many Thai's here, that's "good business." They do not think about sustainable tourism.

I like living here and will continue to do so, but, Phuket has its negatives and is a dangerous place to holiday and live. As expats, we have developed "work arounds" but people from all around the world come here for a holiday and do not have the benefit of knowledge, or experience, in Thailand. I tell friends coming over for the first time and any other first time to Thailand people I meet, "get a metered taxi at the airport, stay away from the tuk-tuks, jet skis, time share, don't hire a vehicle, ask the price for everything first, pay as you go when drinking etc etc. People need to be aware of the risks to their safety, and their finances, when here on a holiday. If many of these negative aspects of holidaying/living on Phuket didn't exist, there would be no need to forewarn people about such things.

There is even a billboard up now warning of time share. A large Australian theme bar on Bangla Road have a warning as part of a slide show on their televisions. Yet, time share is allowed to continue on the island. It can only be corruption allowing it and more people will be scammed today.

An example, to sum up, isn't a Thai guy rich enough renting out a jet ski at 1000 baht for 30 minutes???? Why the need to then go and extort 20,000 baht from someone for a scratch that already existed? It's wrong, and I have no problem pointing out the scam on TV, or in person to anyone I meet.

I have no problem with anyone "wearing rose coloured glasses." Life is to be lived, and enjoyed. All I would say is, just because something doesn't have a negative impact on you, that doesn't mean it will not have a negative impact on others. People WILL be hurt, killed, ripped off, scammed and extorted here, this very day, possibly as you are reading my post. Just spare a thought for those people and remember the golden rule of living inThailand - NEVER think that it will NEVER happen to you. "The rug" could be pulled out from anyone here, at any time, and many times it's due to no fault of their own.

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"Phuket has its negatives and is a dangerous place to holiday and live"

Yeah every day I get home from work i thank buddah I am still alive....it's sooo dangerous here.

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Your posts, under a previous username, are all along the same theme, and the same theme you state stevenl has. That is, "it doesn't effect me, and I am experienced enough here to avoid trouble, so therefore, Phuket is a nice, safe place and anyone who comes undone here it's their own fault and they must be stupid."

Don't say I am writing or thinking things like you claim here, because this is way of the mark.

Even better, don't talk about me to others.

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Well it has all been said in so many threads before; people's tastes vary - some like to live in quiet areas, others prefer the convenience of ready accessability to shops, restaurants and entertainment. I happen to like Patong (but like so many other expats living here, I don't frequent Bangla). I'm not knocking those who choose to live in Rawai, up north or wherever - that's a life choice. What I do take objection to is the petty need for some shallow individuals to knock Patong because they don't happen to like it. Sure they are entitled to their opinion ('I don't like Patong because of the noise/overdevelopment/touts' etc), but that is a far cry from simply bashing Patong because it doesn't fit within their lifestyle and declaring people who live there to be morons or worse. I once again remind people of the Patong of days gone by - stinking open drains everywhere and an overabundance of mosqitoes. Most bars used to burn mosquito coils of an evening, and repellent was a must. As to the OP's question, I think that Bags (OldCroc) hit the nail on the head - with socialising, you will form your own circle of friends when you get here.

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"Phuket has its negatives and is a dangerous place to holiday and live"

Yeah every day I get home from work i thank buddah I am still alive....it's sooo dangerous here.

Maybe you can explain your post to the families of the many deceased, from all around the world, I somehow don't think they share your cynical view.

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Your posts, under a previous username, are all along the same theme, and the same theme you state stevenl has. That is, "it doesn't effect me, and I am experienced enough here to avoid trouble, so therefore, Phuket is a nice, safe place and anyone who comes undone here it's their own fault and they must be stupid."

Don't say I am writing or thinking things like you claim here, because this is way of the mark.

Even better, don't talk about me to others.

The internet is a global public forum. If you can't handle any possible replies to your comments, you shouldn't post..

Also, I think I'm "on the mark" when I categorise your posts - just in the same way you think when you categorise mine.

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Your posts, under a previous username, are all along the same theme, and the same theme you state stevenl has. That is, "it doesn't effect me, and I am experienced enough here to avoid trouble, so therefore, Phuket is a nice, safe place and anyone who comes undone here it's their own fault and they must be stupid."

Don't say I am writing or thinking things like you claim here, because this is way of the mark.

Even better, don't talk about me to others.

The internet is a global public forum. If you can't handle any possible replies to your comments, you shouldn't post..

I can handle replies to my comments, but you attribute comments to me that I did not make nor does my thinking reflect the comments you attribute to me, yes, I have serious problems with that.

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Well it has all been said in so many threads before; people's tastes vary - some like to live in quiet areas, others prefer the convenience of ready accessability to shops, restaurants and entertainment. I happen to like Patong (but like so many other expats living here, I don't frequent Bangla). I'm not knocking those who choose to live in Rawai, up north or wherever - that's a life choice. What I do take objection to is the petty need for some shallow individuals to knock Patong because they don't happen to like it. Sure they are entitled to their opinion ('I don't like Patong because of the noise/overdevelopment/touts' etc), but that is a far cry from simply bashing Patong because it doesn't fit within their lifestyle and declaring people who live there to be morons or worse. I once again remind people of the Patong of days gone by - stinking open drains everywhere and an overabundance of mosqitoes. Most bars used to burn mosquito coils of an evening, and repellent was a must. As to the OP's question, I think that Bags (OldCroc) hit the nail on the head - with socialising, you will form your own circle of friends when you get here.

I have stated on TV before that I live in Patong. Like you say, each to their own, tastes vary. However, if you live in Patong and happened to get mugged, many on TV have the belief that you somehow deserved it because you live in Patong. Like Kata/Karon/Rawai etc are so far away.

The same with the jet skis - many believe if you were silly enough to hire one, it's your fault you were extorted out of 20,000 or 30,000 baht. These people are victims. A crime has been committed against them. Is it their fault they did not know about the scam? If they had a friend here, as an expat, who could have told them not to hire one, it never would have happened.

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I can handle replies to my comments, but you attribute comments to me that I did not make nor does my thinking reflect the comments you attribute to me, yes, I have serious problems with that.

No, I just likened them to the ideas in a post by another member, who stated your way of thinking, and you shouldn't have any "serious problems" about anything here because this is "Phuket Paradise" remember. smile.pngsmile.pngsmile.pngsmile.png

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