lovetotravel Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Hard to know what to believe about the #'s of people there. The other newspaper has a photo. Seems to be about 1000 or so. As mentioned before, I'm sure the border problems caused a few not to come, but I'd bet the vast majority weren't getting paid, so no interest! Pretty much everybody I knew who went to Bangkok during the riots (wife's relatives) were paid and it was the only reason they went. Period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZEMADE Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 The Topic reads, few red shirts cross over for Thaksin? The Nation want to get their facts straight, as I have just looked at another newspapers photograph of the occasion and it clearly shows thousands of people there and in only one quarter of the photo. Do they just count the busses going over on the day or something stupid like that. What bad reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnAllan Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 There were really 100,000 people there. It's just that this coupist newspaper is hiding the true facts. Coupist? Wow! Another scrabble player, I see . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnAllan Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 The Topic reads, few red shirts cross over for Thaksin? The Nation want to get their facts straight, as I have just looked at another newspapers photograph of the occasion and it clearly shows thousands of people there and in only one quarter of the photo. Do they just count the busses going over on the day or something stupid like that. What bad reporting. First, large numbers are always guesswork, the figure quoted dependent on how someone wants it to be read; second, the article stated redshirts; were the 'thousands' wearing red? Third, photos can be touched-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnAllan Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 So....1000 red shirts go to see him in Laos.... and he has a security detail of 4500 men following him around? That's like 4.5 guards/supporter. Me thinks the reporting is a little 'off'. (no surprise) Read the article. The 4,500 is for Cambodia. And I am sure the Cambodians will really appreciate paying for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 There were really 100,000 people there. It's just that this coupist newspaper is hiding the true facts. Coupist? Wow! Another scrabble player, I see . . . Sorry ... I've been reading too many of Calgary's posts. I got a bit carried away. I'm surprised Calgary hasn't been here himself to proclaim that I am wrong, and that there were actually 300,000 people there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) An official in the Cambodian border town of Poipet said yesterday that Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen had ordered immigration officials to provide special treatment to red-shirt supporters crossing over from Thailand.The official, who requested anonymity, added that all immigration officials had been instructed to not search any red-shirt vehicles. Okay, that's worrying. I have it on a very good authority that many of the weapons used by the red/black side during April/May 2010 originated from Cambodia. Given the number of "red guards" there, along with the low turnout, could this rally simply be a guise for an arms run? Stocking up ready for when the "political situation returns to normal"? The date July has been mentioned over in the other English-language daily. Hold fast, Thailand. Again. So it seems Hun Sen is prepared to compromise his nation's security for his Thai friend and his friend's friends and the friends of his friend's friends... I trust that Thai Immigration will not do the same. Edited April 13, 2012 by bigbamboo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnAllan Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 The orginal article quoted the ex prime minister as saying there have been 4 attempts on his life (assination attempts) thus the change in venue of aircraft landing, small crownds etc. I would venture to guess that he is not recieived any better by the Lao government than apparent support turn out. Maybe the several tens of thousands (forcast) will meet him in Cambodia, where he seems more in tune/welcome. As far as the self claimed 4 attempts on his life, hell I have that on a weekly basis when I ride the family motor cycle in this country. He needs to get out more and experience the reality of living in Thailand, as should his sister. Jet setting around, holding photo sessions, having memory loses and/or being on the missing/absconded list seems to be a part of their family trait. Its really a shame that birth control came into practical use so late in the evoluation of mankind. Never mnd like it - I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babcock Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 The Topic reads, few red shirts cross over for Thaksin? The Nation want to get their facts straight, as I have just looked at another newspapers photograph of the occasion and it clearly shows thousands of people there and in only one quarter of the photo. Do they just count the busses going over on the day or something stupid like that. What bad reporting. Please scan and post. I well remember the TV reporting in 2010 where they could only show a small section of the redshirts. Cropped image. I remember too the Nation newspaper's photos of an early redshirt rally in a football stadium which packed out however they published a photo of a near empty stadium ( picture taken several hours before rally.) Just as I mentioned yesterday visiting Silom in 2010 when Jutuporn was addressing the redshirts in front of the Bangkok Bank regarding Prem's ownership of golf course where land was seized from poor people. The Nation claimed that office and shop staff abused the redshirts. Completely the opposite occurred in front of my eyes. There was a celebratory mood in Silom. Weeks later I witnessed 1 young male office worker on an overpass screaming abuse at several redshirt motorcycle drivers below attempting to hold up traffic as a protest. What was his problem? Maybe he reads the Nation or more probably ASTV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) If he's getting death threats in a foreign country, what chance does he have in Thailand? His life is always going to be under threat. never will he be able to walk the streets safely again. Seh Daeng was taken out quite easily, and I don't see Taksin being any safer were he to return. No worries. The Devil looks after his own! Edited April 13, 2012 by bigbamboo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babcock Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Hard to know what to believe about the #'s of people there. The other newspaper has a photo. Seems to be about 1000 or so. As mentioned before, I'm sure the border problems caused a few not to come, but I'd bet the vast majority weren't getting paid, so no interest! Pretty much everybody I knew who went to Bangkok during the riots (wife's relatives) were paid and it was the only reason they went. Period. No. Yes they were paid. People clubbed together. People left their farms/businesses and they rotated so in fact a vast number of people came down to Bangkok. It's wishfull thinking to insinuate that Thaksin paid all these people just to risk their lives and limbs and missing the big picture. People got money for gasoline and food. There were benefactors. Remember Abhisit freezing the accounts of 150 wealthy Thaksin supporters. So easily forgotten by the yellow apologists on here. I know what Abhisit is he's a fxxxxxg cxxt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnAllan Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Hmmm I wonder how many of that 1000 were expats doing a cheap visa run? Can you blame the Laos people being less accomodating after the last red shirt rally ended with burning buildings and looting The last red shirt rally ended as it started, peacefully. So did the one before that, and the one before that, etc. The army were not in attendance at these rallies. When the army were last in attendance at a rally to break up the camp on the 19th May, the death toll rose to 14 on the day once the deaths in the Wat were taken into account.. Buildings were burned and looting took place, correct. Apart from whether or not your figure of 14 is correct - both because I can't remember and because no one knows - yes, the facts are correct. Whether your imputation about the army is correct - that's another question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZEMADE Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 The Topic reads, few red shirts cross over for Thaksin? The Nation want to get their facts straight, as I have just looked at another newspapers photograph of the occasion and it clearly shows thousands of people there and in only one quarter of the photo. Do they just count the busses going over on the day or something stupid like that. What bad reporting. First, large numbers are always guesswork, the figure quoted dependent on how someone wants it to be read; second, the article stated redshirts; were the 'thousands' wearing red? Third, photos can be touched-up. The Nation quite clearly states,slightly more than 1,000 red shirts took the bus to Vientiane. Not the 10,000 that was expected. If you look at the photo in the other paper, I doubt it was doctored. In fact the photo in the Nation only shows a lady wearing red and a man wearing a checked red shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 The Nation quite clearly states,slightly more than 1,000 red shirts took the bus to Vientiane. Not the 10,000 that was expected. If you look at the photo in the other paper, I doubt it was doctored. In fact the photo in the Nation only shows a lady wearing red and a man wearing a checked red shirt. The Nation didn't say anything about the numbers at the gathering. They just talked about the numbers that took the organised (22 of 65) buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 If he's getting death threats in a foreign country, what chance does he have in Thailand? His life is always going to be under threat. never will he be able to walk the streets safely again. Seh Daeng was taken out quite easily, and I don't see Taksin being any safer were he to return. he should not walk the streets anyway because he should serve is jail term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtom Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) Hard to know what to believe about the #'s of people there. The other newspaper has a photo. Seems to be about 1000 or so. As mentioned before, I'm sure the border problems caused a few not to come, but I'd bet the vast majority weren't getting paid, so no interest! Pretty much everybody I knew who went to Bangkok during the riots (wife's relatives) were paid and it was the only reason they went. Period. No. Yes they were paid. People clubbed together. People left their farms/businesses and they rotated so in fact a vast number of people came down to Bangkok. It's wishfull thinking to insinuate that Thaksin paid all these people just to risk their lives and limbs and missing the big picture. People got money for gasoline and food. There were benefactors. Remember Abhisit freezing the accounts of 150 wealthy Thaksin supporters. So easily forgotten by the yellow apologists on here. I know what Abhisit is he's a fxxxxxg cxxt. They money the people got for gasoline, was that to fill the bottles, since most of them came in sponsored vehicles anyway? Edited April 13, 2012 by longtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatoichi Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I hope he comes back to Thailand too where there will no doubt be more self sacrificing patriots about to do what needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 There were really 100,000 people there. It's just that this coupist newspaper is hiding the true facts. please post links to support that claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) Hard to know what to believe about the #'s of people there. The other newspaper has a photo. Seems to be about 1000 or so. As mentioned before, I'm sure the border problems caused a few not to come, but I'd bet the vast majority weren't getting paid, so no interest! Pretty much everybody I knew who went to Bangkok during the riots (wife's relatives) were paid and it was the only reason they went. Period. No. Yes they were paid. People clubbed together. People left their farms/businesses and they rotated so in fact a vast number of people came down to Bangkok. It's wishfull thinking to insinuate that Thaksin paid all these people just to risk their lives and limbs and missing the big picture. People got money for gasoline and food. There were benefactors. Remember Abhisit freezing the accounts of 150 wealthy Thaksin supporters. So easily forgotten by the yellow apologists on here. I know what Abhisit is he's a fxxxxxg cxxt. 1. You seem to have forgoten the many photos and u-tube clips of people lined up with their ID cards at the Bkk rallies, and a lady flipping through some sort of UDD / Red registration documents then they got their cash hand over, all on u-tube. 2. Again, I'll share, the food vendors in my Bkk soi bragged again and again about the amount of money they were making by attending those ralies and they also shared that they had no idea what the clowns on stage were talking about. 3. Seems we have another poster who can't see anything but red or yellow / black or white. Edited April 13, 2012 by scorecard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Lets be clear, it was reported that 22 busses departed. Now the capacity of the buses being 50, an estimate of 1000 was given. That does not mean there were 50 on each bus. Take a look at the video below, there are very few people around and remember this is a popular tourist destination for Thais anyway. I reckon from the video somewhere between 400 and 500 max, and the close in 'crowded scenes' are simply journalists and security. Pretty pathetic really. Good job there will be 4500 Cambodian Police at the next venue. Maybe if they all have to wear Red it could swell the numbers a bit! Whats the excuse this time CalgaryII, apparently the Laos Government say they did not inhibit Thais from crossing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 There were really 100,000 people there. It's just that this coupist newspaper is hiding the true facts. please post links to support that claim. He was being SARCASTIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 There were really 100,000 people there. It's just that this coupist newspaper is hiding the true facts. Coupist? Wow! Another scrabble player, I see . . . This doesn't sound like Whybother, as we have known him for some time. Has his account been hacked? A similar about face happened with Hammered who has dissapeared since Christmas time after being a regular for many years. Seems fishy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Well a most definate lack of support for Thaksin and more Talked up B*ll S**t, 1,000 supporters,when 50,000 was being forecast! if it had been a Football Match,it would have been embarressingly cancelled. So was it lack of interest? Lack of payment? Songkran was more important? But certainly not lack of transport,with 40 unused Buses,in waiting,and couldn't fill them for free. A very telling turn out,which may show a turning point of his popularity........ in decline. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I wouldn't want to meet that lot,in the photo shoot, up a dark alley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Well a most definate lack of support for Thaksin and more Talked up B*ll S**t, 1,000 supporters,when 50,000 was being forecast! if it had been a Football Match,it would have been embarressingly cancelled. So was it lack of interest? Lack of payment? Songkran was more important? But certainly not lack of transport,with 40 unused Buses,in waiting,and couldn't fill them for free. A very telling turn out,which may show a turning point of his popularity........ in decline. Kwanchai was talking about getting 10 million Red Shirts at the border in his grand plan to bring in Thaksin. Hey, what's an order of magniture (or four) difference anyway? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 An official in the Cambodian border town of Poipet said yesterday that Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen had ordered immigration officials to provide special treatment to red-shirt supporters crossing over from Thailand.The official, who requested anonymity, added that all immigration officials had been instructed to not search any red-shirt vehicles. Okay, that's worrying. I have it on a very good authority that many of the weapons used by the red/black side during April/May 2010 originated from Cambodia. Given the number of "red guards" there, along with the low turnout, could this rally simply be a guise for an arms run? Stocking up ready for when the "political situation returns to normal"? The date July has been mentioned over in the other English-language daily. Hold fast, Thailand. Again. is that good authority that can be substantiated or are you "just saying..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 There were really 100,000 people there. It's just that this coupist newspaper is hiding the true facts. Coupist? Wow! Another scrabble player, I see . . . This doesn't sound like Whybother, as we have known him for some time. Has his account been hacked? A similar about face happened with Hammered who has dissapeared since Christmas time after being a regular for many years. Seems fishy. sounds like he is just posting a bit of sarcasm/irony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 There were really 100,000 people there. It's just that this coupist newspaper is hiding the true facts. please post links to support that claim. He was being SARCASTIC. so was I - no harm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Oh I see the Red Shirts have now turned into Red -Shirt- Guards, Chairman Mao would have been well pleased,with the progress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Well a most definate lack of support for Thaksin and more Talked up B*ll S**t, 1,000 supporters,when 50,000 was being forecast! if it had been a Football Match,it would have been embarressingly cancelled. So was it lack of interest? Lack of payment? Songkran was more important? But certainly not lack of transport,with 40 unused Buses,in waiting,and couldn't fill them for free. A very telling turn out,which may show a turning point of his popularity........ in decline. Kwanchai was talking about getting 10 million Red Shirts at the border in his grand plan to bring in Thaksin. Hey, what's an order of magniture (or four) difference anyway? Yea. its only figures,which will be manipulated, later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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