Manchester United

[redrus]

World's best manager had to cover up the regime and buy dross....for 9 years? Thought Fergie was supposed to have some glaswegian bottle. Rafa came up against a pair of American w.a.n.kers and stood up to them, despite it costing him his job. What are you saying? Was Fergie in on the job? or just a bottle merchant?

Its in my last sentence Will lad, read what I write n keep up ol chap....

In the end Fergie was just a Glazer muppet too, still the worlds best ever manager though.

He bought the occasional ok player, Carrick, Berba, RvP post Glazer arrival ok....., but seriously, come on, United always claim to be in for the Ronaldo's, the Fabregas's et al, I don't need to real them off but, we end with the middle of the road that we can afford and label it as a major signing, media bull sheeeeite from the propaganda machine.

Thankfully Fergie had a knack of bringing out the best in them, but even he needed a number 2.

redrus

[P45Mustang]

Well, without wishing to be more of a pain in the @rse than usual,

"At a football club, there's a holy trinity - the players, the manager and the supporters.

Directors don't come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques."

So what's changed? If Brendan, Pellegrini, van Gaal and Mourinho don't do it that way we won't win or create anything, will we.

Ask Villas-Boas or Tony Pulis.

[citizen33]

Pre-season was all sweetness and light, and then who should come along but little ol' Swansea. My hunch - as I said some months ago when the TVF cognoscenti tipped the Swans for relegation - is that a few of the big boys will feel the same pain this season.

[redrus]

Manchester United is totally different beast P45.

Most Football clubs, if not all, are run at a loss, they are there as a plaything for the rich, or a love for someone. United is run by business men that know nothin and care nothing for either football and its history, or United and its history. All they want to do is make money, at the cost of United and, spend as little as possible.

This is the point and the only point that I am trying to get across.

I am fully aware that United spend more than many many other clubs. So we should, we're one of the worlds biggest. The difference is, we don't buy the best or the most expensive, we don't even try. We get excuses from Fergie himself, saying theres "no value in the market"....! If that was true, how the f*$k did our noisy neighbours get value in the form of Silva for £25 million.

Because Fergie was trolling out #glazernomics too.

Difference was, Fergie got the results to cover it over.., and, got out at the right time..!!

redrus

[redrus]

..... And to add, dick Ed has taken over the #glazernomics, his own words not a few weeks ago, "we can buy who we want and money is not an issue, whether it be 50-60-70 or 100 million, the funds are in place should the manager wish to spend them"

All b o l l o x from the machine to keep the sheep in their seats, they buy the season tickets and buy the shirts and think I'll get the name on the back when we buy Fabregas, Ronaldo, Neymar, Vidal et al, and it never happens.

Shaw and Herrera were good buys, too expensive but, everyone here knows it's a long way short, but the Glazers will be happy with it and leave it at that.

Until we go right down the league or someone offers over £2 billion, United are f o o k e d.

redrus

[redrus]

This actually had me laughing.....

redrus

[P45Mustang]

Manchester United is totally different beast P45.

Most Football clubs, if not all, are run at a loss, they are there as a plaything for the rich, or a love for someone. United is run by business men that know nothin and care nothing for either football and its history, or United and its history. All they want to do is make money, at the cost of United and, spend as little as possible.

This is the point and the only point that I am trying to get across.

I am fully aware that United spend more than many many other clubs. So we should, we're one of the worlds biggest. The difference is, we don't buy the best or the most expensive, we don't even try. We get excuses from Fergie himself, saying theres "no value in the market"....! If that was true, how the f*$k did our noisy neighbours get value in the form of Silva for £25 million.

Because Fergie was trolling out #glazernomics too.

Difference was, Fergie got the results to cover it over.., and, got out at the right time..!!

redrus

Fair doos rus, I'll have a think about it.

Top of the head reaction is UNITED are no different from any other club trying to achieve success, and any businessman who thinks he can create a worldwide brand by being a skin flint with his core business won't achieve it.

If the Glazers are in it to cream the current UNITED brand, well that's a totally different kettle of fish.

Depends what their long term goal is.( Chelsea currently looking forward IMHO.)

[wilai]

This actually had me laughing.....

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redrus

Getting Rojo aren't you? or is he dross?

As to previous posts mate, I wasn't around here but I doubt you were being that "realistic" until the last couple of years.

[redrus]

^

I resent that Wil, I gave up my season ticket when the Glazers bought United and go very rarely to see the team I've been going to see since I was 5, home and away from 10..!!

P45, you're still not getting it fella, there is NO football plan for the Glazers they Do Not care, they want only money, with as little outlay as possible, until they've milked all they can, on that day, United will, well..... Who knows.

redrus

[rijit]

Maybe redrus is right. Maybe UNITED don't have £200m for van Gaal to spend.

Something's not clicking atm though.

Guess we have to wait and see.

mate 70,000 through the turnstiles per home game says they have enuf cash flow to suggest they have access to HUGE funds

think maybe moyes as well had 'issues ' with the clubs valuations, 4 eg baines they valued him at 13ish everton at something like 17, REALLY what the fuc,,,,,,,, 4 mil !!!!! just pay it you are man utd, or do a deal in the middle or slightly over. Simple really, u want the player and he's under a decent contract U PAY THE MONEY, or within spitting distance or stay away.

Edited August 19, 2014 by rijit

[P45Mustang]

Well to be fair, redrus probably knows more about these issues than most of us.

But using the analogy of how a Chiang Mai elephant operates, Glazer family don't look too savoury to me.

Something unhealthy about it.

[redrus]

^

With respect, 78,000 x avg £65 is only £5,07 million.

I don't need to explain how far that wouldn't go.

redrus

Edit, it doesn't even pay Rooney's wages.

Edited August 19, 2014 by redrus

[P45Mustang]

^

I resent that Wil, I gave up my season ticket when the Glazers bought United and go very rarely to see the team I've been going to see since I was 5, home and away from 10..!!

P45, you're still not getting it fella, there is NO football plan for the Glazers they Do Not care, they want only money, with as little outlay as possible, until they've milked all they can, on that day, United will, well..... Who knows.

redrus

OK rus. I hear you. Just getting there more slowly than a Chiang Mai elephant.

[wilai]

Apologies then Red. Cannot understand though why SAF chose to be their stoolie for so long.....or was it made worth his while? No need to answer actually, as I did know a few people loosely connected to your previous bosses....and apparently they all held him in extremely high regard Gorbals socialist my arse!

[P45Mustang]

Apologies then Red. Cannot understand though why SAF chose to be their stoolie for so long.....or was it made worth his while? No need to answer actually, as I did know a few people loosely connected to your previous bosses....and apparently they all held him in extremely high regard Gorbals socialist my arse!

Yep. Reckon Shankly was different class.

[rijit]

^

With respect, 78,000 x avg £65 is only £5,07 million.

I don't need to explain how far that wouldn't go.

redrus

Edit, it doesn't even pay Rooney's wages.

who said anything about cash? As i said the cash flow give access to huge funds.

[mrbojangles]

Me and Rus had a constructive lengthy debate on the subject of the Glazers and the finances a couple of years ago whilst SAF was still in charge. It was quite enlightening and to be fair, Rus hasn't changed his stance on the Glazers one iota

[redrus]

^

With respect, 78,000 x avg £65 is only £5,07 million.

I don't need to explain how far that wouldn't go.

redrus

Edit, it doesn't even pay Rooney's wages.

who said anything about cash? As i said the cash flow give access to huge funds.

I'm gonna take a wild stab in the dark here...... You live in a cave, yeah....?

Have you seriously read nothing of what I've written today, or glanced at a news feed and read anything about the Glazers at United..? About IPO's...? Putting more money in their own pocket than they do in the team?

Access to the funds you talk about is what they used to buy the bloody club in the first place, using the name of the club to then line their own pockets..!!

Jasus.

redrus

[redrus]

Me and Rus had a constructive lengthy debate on the subject of the Glazers and the finances a couple of years ago whilst SAF was still in charge. It was quite enlightening and to be fair, Rus hasn't changed his stance on the Glazers one iota

See, I can play nicely, MrB says so... So there.......

redrus

[P45Mustang]

What will van Gaal do?

[redrus]

What will van Gaal do?

He'll walk P lad.....!

Plain and simple, and if he does, he will have the backing of every red I know..!!

redrus

[P45Mustang]

What will van Gaal do?

He'll walk P lad.....!

Plain and simple, and if he does, he will have the backing of every red I know..!!

redrus

Interesting rus. I'm not gloating.

Failure of leadership and the troops get fckd.

[rijit]

^

With respect, 78,000 x avg £65 is only £5,07 million.

I don't need to explain how far that wouldn't go.

redrus

Edit, it doesn't even pay Rooney's wages.

who said anything about cash? As i said the cash flow give access to huge funds.

I'm gonna take a wild stab in the dark here...... You live in a cave, yeah....?

Have you seriously read nothing of what I've written today, or glanced at a news feed and read anything about the Glazers at United..? About IPO's...? Putting more money in their own pocket than they do in the team?

Access to the funds you talk about is what they used to buy the bloody club in the first place, using the name of the club to then line their own pockets..!!

Jasus.

redrus

we were all so hapi to take the benifits when we floated them it made them business's and people buy business's and then pay of the loans through the profit that business makes.normal everyday practice and increase it's debt according to the relevant factors. then if they choose to sell of bits again its part of everyday commercial world to raise funds thats business and thats part of footballs success or failure if u like. But if they fail to invest adequately in their business, the product will suffer, ie its value, maybe were seeing that now, but tbh overall i'm not seeing that, the size of the fee's/investments utd were paying when ferguson was there was, with a few exceptions, competitive with all around.

[uptheos]

What will van Gaal do?

He'll walk P lad.....!

Plain and simple, and if he does, he will have the backing of every red I know..!!

So, who do you want Rus?

[redrus]

What will van Gaal do?

He'll walk P lad.....!

Plain and simple, and if he does, he will have the backing of every red I know..!!

So, who do you want Rus?

Hahahaha, he's not bloody gone yet..

Unfortunately the management of the team isn't the issue, maybe Moyes could have done better.

It's a waiting game I'm afraid, will be interesting for us, and emotional, bit o fodder and a laugh for you lot, possibly.

My main aim, as usual nowadays, is to try and forget who runs the 'business' and concentrate on the team on the pitch. As for that team, I just want them to be competitive again, not fall apart against the only 2 bloody teams I give a sugar about turning up against. City n Liverpool before anyone needs reminding of that....

redrus

[P45Mustang]

Sounds like compromise rus.

If the leadership isn't right 'Glory Glory Man United' is a load of <deleted>.

With respect.

[BangrakBob]

"I don’t know where the Marco Reus rumour came from. It’s a player who, at this time, is impossible to us. Look, he had an offer for a lot of money from Manchester United and he has not gone… we will not sign him with a lesser offer.’ Enrique Cerezo

[rijit]

Done deal by the sounds of it http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28858116

[wooloomooloo]

Let's hope Rojo is fit to defend against Sunderland on Sunday.

[rijit]

interesting article

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/20/glazers-rule-out-selling-manchester-united-five-years

and VERY interesting last sentence

Edited August 20, 2014 by rijit