Evidence In Cabbie's Death 'Points To Security Forces': Bangkok Unrest 2010

[nurofiend]

Their order were to shoot only at legs. I have video of solider shooting a Canadian journalist legs

for some reason that made me laugh.

[Buchholz]

The truly pathetic drivel is your post indicating posters have said things in this thread that haven't been said.

Perhaps you should try to be less emotional to avoid ranting. Quoting specific posts would be a good start and addressing specifically what was said.

So you didn't post that you could buy one of these weapons within a few days? You didn't question the validity of the witnesses without knowing the first thing about the witnesses? Others did not post that witnesses are bought off, and your posting history denies that any protestor was killed by the army.

Like I say, Drivel, I mentioned no names but you took offence to it, weird eh?

I take offense to posts that do nothing but forum bash with a broadside shot that adds absolutely nothing to the thread.

Your latest effort is mildly better by at least responding to a specific post.

I challenge you to substantiate your claim that my posting history denies any protester was killed by the army. As I've not, it's just baseless nonsense on your part.

My post about the weaponry being obtainable in Thailand without being a member of security forces is not drivel, it's reality.

To state that simply because it's a powerful gun points to security forces denies that reality.

So the DSI have done a full investigation and made a conclusion, are you doubting the validity of the investigation? Are you saying the investigation was flawed or even corrupt?

If you believe the DSI are not competent or even corrupt, do you then also agree that any investigation by the DSI into Thaksin, his family, TRT, PTP, the red shirts can also be flawed or even as a result of corruption within the DSI?

Now I will st you a challenge, I look forward to seeing your picture in a few days with a high powered weapon that you have just purchased in Thailand, they are easily available according to you

Appreciate your retraction of claiming I said things in my posting history that I never said.

As for the DSI investigation, I would say their conclusion is flawed if simply because a powerful weapon was used, it must have been security forces.

If you are unaware that weapons can be obtained in Thailand for the right price, it would indicate a fairly high level of naivety. It certainly doesn't require my proving it to simply make a point to some anonymous Internet poster. Weapons at the right price are available in just about any country and Thailand is no exception.

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[Buchholz]

While possible, I would have expected the OP to indicate that...rather than...

"Sanporn said witnesses and a video recording supported a theory that the man was killed with a high-speed bullet"

The "OP" is a news article.

Yes, reporting on court proceedings and statements made by police officials.

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[somo]

Identify the model of the "powerful gun" and I could purchase the exact same model within a few days without being a member of the "security forces"

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No you could not. Rubbish talk/lies like this are just an attempt to hide the truth.

[Buchholz]

While possible, I would have expected the OP to indicate that...rather than...

"Sanporn said witnesses and a video recording supported a theory that the man was killed with a high-speed bullet"

i was talking about video evidence of the witnesses being there, i'm not sure how that quoted statement relates to that possibility.

No problem, I thought you talking about who fired the weapon.

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[carra]

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So the DSI have done a full investigation and made a conclusion, are you doubting the validity of the investigation? Are you saying the investigation was flawed or even corrupt?

If you believe the DSI are not competent or even corrupt, do you then also agree that any investigation by the DSI into Thaksin, his family, TRT, PTP, the red shirts can also be flawed or even as a result of corruption within the DSI?

Now I will st you a challenge, I look forward to seeing your picture in a few days with a high powered weapon that you have just purchased in Thailand, they are easily available according to you (although quite why that means someone would want to buy one, and then shoot up a van is beyond me, the army did it we both know this, even you deep down haha)

Your logic doesn't make sense.

The fact is: Thaksin is super corrupted. I have proof as he is confirmed convicted and jail by Thai judges.

This fact is: Army are not there to kill people (especially children). Their order were to shoot only at legs. I have video of solider shooting a Canadian journalist legs.

haha have you ever thought of an open mic night, I would pay to watch you

[Buchholz]

Identify the model of the "powerful gun" and I could purchase the exact same model within a few days without being a member of the "security forces"

No you could not. Rubbish talk/lies like this are just an attempt to hide the truth.

LOL

More naivety.

New flash... You're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy.

Read the news more and you'll see that stark reality.

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[Moruya]

Their order were to shoot only at legs. I have video of solider shooting a Canadian journalist legs

for some reason that made me laugh.

That's a bit juvenile

[Moruya]

snip

So the DSI have done a full investigation and made a conclusion, are you doubting the validity of the investigation? Are you saying the investigation was flawed or even corrupt?

If you believe the DSI are not competent or even corrupt, do you then also agree that any investigation by the DSI into Thaksin, his family, TRT, PTP, the red shirts can also be flawed or even as a result of corruption within the DSI?

Now I will st you a challenge, I look forward to seeing your picture in a few days with a high powered weapon that you have just purchased in Thailand, they are easily available according to you (although quite why that means someone would want to buy one, and then shoot up a van is beyond me, the army did it we both know this, even you deep down haha)

Your logic doesn't make sense.

The fact is: Thaksin is super corrupted. I have proof as he is confirmed convicted and jail by Thai judges.

This fact is: Army are not there to kill people (especially children). Their order were to shoot only at legs. I have video of solider shooting a Canadian journalist legs.

What was the Canadian doing to deserve a bullet?

[nurofiend]

Their order were to shoot only at legs. I have video of solider shooting a Canadian journalist legs

for some reason that made me laugh.

That's a bit juvenile

i know you are but what am i?

[carra]

Appreciate your retraction of claiming I said things in my posting history that I never said.

As for the DSI investigation, I would say their conclusion is flawed if simply because a powerful weapon was used, it must have been security forces.

If you are unaware that weapons can be obtained in Thailand for the right price, it would indicate a fairly high level of naivety. It certainly doesn't require my proving it to simply make a point to some anonymous Internet poster. Weapons at the right price are available in just about any country and Thailand is no exception.

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i made no retraction, nice sarcasm from you there.

Would you like to answer all my questions or will honest answers make you look a little less partisan, ok ok I know you are backed into a corner, they are either corrupt or not corrupt, either answer you give will make one of your stances look wrong, this is why it is much better to show impartiality at times.

you say weapons are easily available, I know they are available but whether they are easily available is another matter, so ,my challenge to you is to back up your statement that you could buy one in a few days, then go a few stages further and get that gun into an area surrounded by the army, then use that gun to riddle a van with bullets in full view of the army, and make it so the army has no evidence whatsoever that a third party did this, the escape from the scene without being shot by the army or apprehended, ok?

or just possibly this is another example of the army shooting at unarmed civilians that posed no immediate threat to them or others, and in fact the DSI are doing their job properly as are the witnesses. I look forward to the courts finding that the army did this and then you have to dispute the courts verdict. It must be so hard for you to keep up with this, no on the other hand its easy, if the court finds for anything red the court must be corrupt or wrong, if the courts find against anything red then the court must be honest and doing a good job.

so, challenge accepted? I have the mission impossible theme in my head right now, how weird is that haha

[somo]

snip

So the DSI have done a full investigation and made a conclusion, are you doubting the validity of the investigation? Are you saying the investigation was flawed or even corrupt?

If you believe the DSI are not competent or even corrupt, do you then also agree that any investigation by the DSI into Thaksin, his family, TRT, PTP, the red shirts can also be flawed or even as a result of corruption within the DSI?

Now I will st you a challenge, I look forward to seeing your picture in a few days with a high powered weapon that you have just purchased in Thailand, they are easily available according to you (although quite why that means someone would want to buy one, and then shoot up a van is beyond me, the army did it we both know this, even you deep down haha)

Your logic doesn't make sense.

The fact is: Thaksin is super corrupted. I have proof as he is confirmed convicted and jail by Thai judges.

This fact is: Army are not there to kill people (especially children). Their order were to shoot only at legs. I have video of solider shooting a Canadian journalist legs.

What was the Canadian doing to deserve a bullet?

Reporting on the excessive use of violence by the army

[carra]

Their order were to shoot only at legs. I have video of solider shooting a Canadian journalist legs

for some reason that made me laugh.

That's a bit juvenile

i know you are but what am i?

people can't even see the irony that someone has a video of a soldier shooting at a journalists legs, then the same people post that the army shot nobody or only shot people posing an immediate threat haha, that must have been one dangerous camera and microphone

[somo]

Identify the model of the "powerful gun" and I could purchase the exact same model within a few days without being a member of the "security forces"

No you could not. Rubbish talk/lies like this are just an attempt to hide the truth.

LOL

More naivety.

New flash... You're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy.

Read the news more and you'll see that stark reality.

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Let's assume it was an AK47 or an M16

Now go out and buy either one and prove what you said.

Put up or shut up

[Thaddeus]

Identify the model of the "powerful gun" and I could purchase the exact same model within a few days without being a member of the "security forces"

No you could not. Rubbish talk/lies like this are just an attempt to hide the truth.

LOL

More naivety.

New flash... You're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy.

Read the news more and you'll see that stark reality.

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Let's assume it was an AK47 or an M16

Now go out and buy either one and prove what you said.

Put up or shut up

Send me the money and I'll get one for you, one of each if you would like.

[nurofiend]

Send me the money and I'll get one for you, one of each if you would like.

get me one first and then i'll pay you.

[MEL1]

Their order were to shoot only at legs. I have video of solider shooting a Canadian journalist legs

for some reason that made me laugh.

That's a bit juvenile

What isn't juvenile in this thread so far?

Secular, individual, consensus that attribes to little of real knowns.

If people decided to enter a 'fire-zone' then they took it upon themselves to risk well-being. Resultants being that people died.

That isn't a consensus, but fact.

Reasons for the deaths are arbritary, under those circumstances, as risk was put at bay by those who were present but unknowns.

-mel.

[MaiChai]

Doesn't sound like strong evidence to me. Wasn't DSI management changed when pt came into power? I remember a number of government agencies had management changes with Taksin family members or those aligned with pt. Thus I conclude the agency is not immune from political interference.

[nurofiend]

Doesn't sound like strong evidence to me. Wasn't DSI management changed when pt came into power? I remember a number of government agencies had management changes with Taksin family members or those aligned with pt. Thus I conclude the agency is not immune from political interference.

not immune now? or was never immune?

[carra]

Doesn't sound like strong evidence to me. Wasn't DSI management changed when pt came into power? I remember a number of government agencies had management changes with Taksin family members or those aligned with pt. Thus I conclude the agency is not immune from political interference.

But surely the court is immune so there are checks and balances etc. Or have the courts been bought off also?

[Buchholz]

Appreciate your retraction of claiming I said things in my posting history that I never said.

i made no retraction, nice sarcasm from you there.

Very well then, substantiate your false claim.

[Buchholz]

If you are unaware that weapons can be obtained in Thailand for the right price, it would indicate a fairly high level of naivety. It certainly doesn't require my proving it to simply make a point to some anonymous Internet poster. Weapons at the right price are available in just about any country and Thailand is no exception.

you say weapons are easily available, I know they are available but whether they are easily available is another matter, so ,my challenge to you is to back up your statement that you could buy one in a few days, then go a few stages further and get that gun into an area surrounded by the army, then use that gun to riddle a van with bullets in full view of the army, and make it so the army has no evidence whatsoever that a third party did this, the escape from the scene without being shot by the army or apprehended, ok?

I did not say they are easily available. You struggle a great deal with reading with what posters actually say.

I also never mentioned the van incident.

What I DID say was that weaponry is available in Thailand. If you are unaware of that, get out more and read the news more.

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[nurofiend]

If you are unaware that weapons can be obtained in Thailand for the right price, it would indicate a fairly high level of naivety. It certainly doesn't require my proving it to simply make a point to some anonymous Internet poster. Weapons at the right price are available in just about any country and Thailand is no exception.

you say weapons are easily available, I know they are available but whether they are easily available is another matter, so ,my challenge to you is to back up your statement that you could buy one in a few days, then go a few stages further and get that gun into an area surrounded by the army, then use that gun to riddle a van with bullets in full view of the army, and make it so the army has no evidence whatsoever that a third party did this, the escape from the scene without being shot by the army or apprehended, ok?

I did not say they are easily available. You struggle a great deal with reading with what posters actually say.

I also never mentioned the van incident.

What I DID say was that weaponry is available in Thailand. If you are unaware of that, get out more and read the news more.

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saying that you could get a military grade gun in a few days suggests easy availability.

[Curt1591]

Identify the model of the "powerful gun" and I could purchase the exact same model within a few days without being a member of the "security forces"

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The men in black have rob / stolen lots of "security forces" weapon. The killing gun could be one of them.

Case drop due to doubt. Next case please.

Break out the tinfoil; new hats for everyone!

Edited July 18, 2012 by Curt1591

[carra]

Appreciate your retraction of claiming I said things in my posting history that I never said.

i made no retraction, nice sarcasm from you there.

Very well then, substantiate your false claim.

no problem, we can compromise, when I see you with the high powered weapon that is oh so easy to get I will retract that comment, however I will still submit that you are blinkered and have no ability to show impartiality on these matters, this is a fact that will not get any retraction.

Now to the questions I asked you, how about you answer them, or can't you answer them without blowing one of you theories out of the water?

Actually I can see your game here, so i retract my comment, this now leaves you no chance to cherry pick parts of my post, so there it is retracted, now you can continue with the rest of my post that you have edited and answer the questions I posed you.

Chop chop

[carra]

If you are unaware that weapons can be obtained in Thailand for the right price, it would indicate a fairly high level of naivety. It certainly doesn't require my proving it to simply make a point to some anonymous Internet poster. Weapons at the right price are available in just about any country and Thailand is no exception.

you say weapons are easily available, I know they are available but whether they are easily available is another matter, so ,my challenge to you is to back up your statement that you could buy one in a few days, then go a few stages further and get that gun into an area surrounded by the army, then use that gun to riddle a van with bullets in full view of the army, and make it so the army has no evidence whatsoever that a third party did this, the escape from the scene without being shot by the army or apprehended, ok?

I did not say they are easily available. You struggle a great deal with reading with what posters actually say.

I also never mentioned the van incident.

What I DID say was that weaponry is available in Thailand. If you are unaware of that, get out more and read the news more.

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You can get one in a couple of days, that sounds easily available to me. So now you are saying it is not easy to get your hands on a high powered weapon, it was clear you were saying this man could have been killed by a civilian because after all even you could get a high powered weapon within a couple of days.

Which is it, they are either easy to get within a couple of days, or they are hard to get in a couple of days, or they are hard to get in a couple of weeks etc etc etc

[Thaddeus]

Identify the model of the "powerful gun" and I could purchase the exact same model within a few days without being a member of the "security forces"

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The men in black have rob / stolen lots of "security forces" weapon. The killing gun could be one of them.

Case drop due to doubt. Next case please.

Break out the tinfoil; new hats for everyone!

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/345203-6000-guns-and-explosives-stolen-from-thai-army-barracks/

[nurofiend]

Identify the model of the "powerful gun" and I could purchase the exact same model within a few days without being a member of the "security forces"

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The men in black have rob / stolen lots of "security forces" weapon. The killing gun could be one of them.

Case drop due to doubt. Next case please.

Break out the tinfoil; new hats for everyone!

http://www.thaivisa....-army-barracks/

that article genuinely makes me feel like a tinfoil hat type.

[AleG]

"You go and an illegal act to prove that it can be done" has to be the most idiotic argument of... I don't know, this week?

That I could get up, get a knife and stab someone in the chest is not possible until I do it?

Anyway, of course soldiers shot at people; in all probability some innocent or way outside the scope of the RoE.

The thing is how some... individuals, try to use that to whitewash the actions of the Red Shirts. It doesn't fly.

Just because the Allies bombed Dresden doesn't absolve the Nazi regime from what they did.

Cue the usual suspects rushing in screaming Godwin's Law!!!!

[SuneeTH]

Their order were to shoot only at legs. I have video of solider shooting a Canadian journalist legs

for some reason that made me laugh.

That's a bit juvenile

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...-interview.html

here is the link

It was not a shoot to kill order from Mark / Suthep.

More like shoot to heal.

Edited July 18, 2012 by SuneeTH