Fake Document Got Abhisit His Military Job, Defence Ministry Says

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Fake document got Abhisit his military job, Defence Ministry says

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The Defence Ministry has found that a falsified military document was used when opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva applied to serve as a lecturer at the Chulachomklao Royal Military Academy.

In its letter to the Office of the Auditor-General, the ministry said discrepancies were found between the Sor Dor 9 conscription document used in Abhisit's application for the military job and the records at the Conscription Registrar's Office.

The ministry was responding to the agency's earlier request as part of its investigation into the matter, according to a report on the Independent News Network website.

The ministry said that Abhisit's document stated he was exempted from military service and was enlisted as a reserve officer on April 8, 1988, but that in the records at the Conscription Registrar's Office, the date of enlistment was stated as July 4, 1986.

The ministry said Abhisit should not have been eligible for exemption from military service because he was not studying at the time.

Abhisit's Sor Dor 9 document was a replacement for the original that had been reported as lost. He became a lecturer at the military academy after graduating from Oxford University.

With discrepancies in the document, it should not have been used in applying for the job at the military academy, the Defence Ministry concluded. It said in its letter that the Judge Advocate General's Department has been instructed to gather more evidence regarding the matter.

The ministry would determine later whether it is entitled to seek a return of the benefits obtained by Abhisit during his service at the military academy. It also would consider whether to take legal action against anyone who was involved in the alleged falsification of the document and use of it.

Defence Minister ACM Sukampol Suwannathat has set up a fact-finding team on the matter. The Chulachomklao Royal Military Academy later sent documents relating to Abhisit's application for the job to the probe team but that no original Sor Dor 9 document was found.

-- The Nation 2012-07-21

[nurofiend]

ahhh who cares?

it doesn't matter to people on here what golden boy abhisit has ever done.

it makes no difference, he's still the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics... amirite guys, who's with me?

high five.

[TomTao]

If this is true, then it could damage his credebility, but not too much given the state of Thai polotics.

[nurofiend]

yes, the state of corrupt thai politics - who so many revere him to be above it all.

yes i should hope this is a pretty big blow to his credibility, considering all he champions!

especially to non-partisan onlookers points of view.

but i'll guess all we can do now is wait for the plethora of 'legitimate' excuses to roll in.

[ThaiOats]

ahhh who cares?

it doesn't matter to people on here what golden boy abhisit has ever done.

it makes no difference, he's still the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics... amirite guys, who's with me?

high five.

I guess you hold him up to a saintly standards of integrity and honesty (in other words crossing the street on a red light or buying pirated dvds would be unthinkable) while the anti-government posters (not necessarily Abhisit/Democrat supporters), would take the rational route and not hold him up to such standards. The Red-shirts and its supporters however, must believe that Abhisit is committing such a huge crime that it would negatively affect the nation for them to drill him on this issue. What were the consequences of his actions to the nation?

[ThaiOats]

yes, the state of corrupt thai politics - who so many revere him to be above it all.

yes i should hope this is a pretty big blow to his credibility, considering all he champions!

especially to non-partisan onlookers points of view.

but i'll guess all we can do now is wait for the plethora of 'legitimate' excuses to roll in.

Only if it's proven and the Democrats at the moment have already made their rebuttals and provided information. Whether true or not, I don't know but unlike some on here, I'm open to possibilities.

[Payboy]

What were the consequences of his actions to the nation?

A few years of rubber-stamp rule?

[ThaiOats]

lets count the posts until someone tries to compare this matter with something totally irrelevant that thaksin has done to try and justify abhists actions. i am sure it will be on this page.

I'm also glad that FINALLY they got something on Abhisit.

[Yunla]

This story is like starting a fight on the Titanic because somebody spilled your drink. It is missing the bigger iceberg-shaped picture.

The governments energies would be better spent on cross-spectrum infrastructure policies including water management and education, road safety, rice policy reform, custodial reform, anti corruption initiatives in the police, human rights work, equal rights work, health reform, fake medicines purge, human-trafficking crackdown, food standards agency reform, control of dangerous chemicals reform, etc.

But if you think the governments energies are better spent on smearing other politicans over a minor issue like a conscription form, then knock yourself out.

Edited July 21, 2012 by Yunla

[nurofiend]

ahhh who cares?

it doesn't matter to people on here what golden boy abhisit has ever done.

it makes no difference, he's still the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics... amirite guys, who's with me?

high five.

I guess you hold him up to a saintly standards of integrity and honesty (in other words crossing the street on a red light or buying pirated dvds would be unthinkable) while the anti-government posters (not necessarily Abhisit/Democrat supporters), would take the rational route and not hold him up to such standards. The Red-shirts and its supporters however, must believe that Abhisit is committing such a huge crime that it would negatively affect the nation for them to drill him on this issue. What were the consequences of his actions to the nation?

I guess you hold him up to a saintly standards of integrity and honesty

no, i certainly don't, so you guess wrong... it's others i'm speaking of.

you jumping to his defence immediately and bringing the red shirts straight into it, tells me you might find this a touchy subject though.

i don't see any mention of the red shirts in the OP btw.

[nurofiend]

yes, the state of corrupt thai politics - who so many revere him to be above it all.

yes i should hope this is a pretty big blow to his credibility, considering all he champions!

especially to non-partisan onlookers points of view.

but i'll guess all we can do now is wait for the plethora of 'legitimate' excuses to roll in.

Only if it's proven and the Democrats at the moment have already made their rebuttals and provided information. Whether true or not, I don't know but unlike some on here, I'm open to possibilities.

unlike some here, i'm open to possibilities.

[ThaiOats]

What were the consequences of his actions to the nation?

A few years of rubber-stamp rule?

Can you elaborate in detail or give some examples of that? Or are you saying it just for the hell of it?

[nurofiend]

lets count the posts until someone tries to compare this matter with something totally irrelevant that thaksin has done to try and justify abhists actions. i am sure it will be on this page.

premature post, the red shirts have already been brought into it... on the post above yours....

[nurofiend]

lets count the posts until someone tries to compare this matter with something totally irrelevant that thaksin has done to try and justify abhists actions. i am sure it will be on this page.

I'm also glad that FINALLY they got something on Abhisit.

pfffffffft

yeah right

[nurofiend]

This story is like starting a fight on the Titanic because somebody spilled your drink. It is missing the bigger iceberg-shaped picture.

The governments energies would be better spent on cross-spectrum infrastructure policies including water management and education, road safety, rice policy reform, custodial reform, anti corruption initiatives in the police, human rights work, equal rights work, health reform, fake medecines purge, human-trafficking crackdown, food standards agency reform, control of dangerous chemicals reform, etc.

But if you think the governments energies are better spent on smearing other politicans over a minor issue like a conscription form, then knock yourself out.

so no opinion, not a shred of a negative response towards this... just divert, divert, divert.

is there a point in anyone on this forum trying to discuss anything political with you?

have you ever acknowledged any meaningful wrongdoing on your side?

i'm surprised people still interact in debates with you on here tbh, but that's just imho....

Edited July 21, 2012 by nurofiend

[siampolee]

Seem to recall that the Chalerm boys paperwork was indeed worthy of a ''Grimms fairy Tale,'' yet they didn't seem to have this big uproar and dire consequences threatened as a result of their and others creativity.

Perhaps as has already been said if a closer look at a large number of M.P.s of all parties concerning their claimed degree documents were to be undertaken there might well be some interesting revelations.

If you sleep with dogs you will catch their fleas.

It may well be that the inquiry may well widen its scope and indeed the excrement may well hit the fan thus plastering others, thus this inquiry may well become a dead end matter.

A number of other leading politicians past and present serving may well be found to be wanting with regards to the authenticity of their paperwork..Ex Prime Ministers, current serving Ministers would be well advised to bone up on their knowledge concerning their degree discipline.

It really is amazing to have to believe that honesty is as rare as hens teeth in Thailand.

[ThaiOats]

ahhh who cares?

it doesn't matter to people on here what golden boy abhisit has ever done.

it makes no difference, he's still the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics... amirite guys, who's with me?

high five.

I guess you hold him up to a saintly standards of integrity and honesty (in other words crossing the street on a red light or buying pirated dvds would be unthinkable) while the anti-government posters (not necessarily Abhisit/Democrat supporters), would take the rational route and not hold him up to such standards. The Red-shirts and its supporters however, must believe that Abhisit is committing such a huge crime that it would negatively affect the nation for them to drill him on this issue. What were the consequences of his actions to the nation?

I guess you hold him up to a saintly standards of integrity and honesty

no, i certainly don't, so you guess wrong... it's others i'm speaking of.

you jumping to his defence immediately and bringing the red shirts straight into it, tells me you might find this a touchy subject though.

i don't see any mention of the red shirts in the OP btw.

I brought up the Red Shirts because they were the ones who started this smear campaign, there's another thread which talks about the same subject which did mention the Red Shirts. So when you say "it makes no difference, he's still the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics." you're not holding up to such standards? Avoiding a draft is not a political issue by the way unless you make it to be, I've done it under the same criteria as Abhisit when I studied in the United States.

[Payboy]

What were the consequences of his actions to the nation?

A few years of rubber-stamp rule?

Can you elaborate in detail or give some examples of that? Or are you saying it just for the hell of it?

Nah, I'll just let you sweat that one out.

[nurofiend]

So when you say "it makes no difference, he's still the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics." you're not holding up to such standards?

can you explain what that statemtent means please, i'm not so sure.

cheers.

[Yunla]

so no opinion, not a shred of a negative response towards this... just divert, divert, divert.

is there a point in anyone on this forum trying to discuss anything political with you?

have you ever acknowledged any meaningful wrongdoing on your side?

i'm surprised people still interact in debates with you on here tbh, but that's just imho....

It is sort of ironic you spamming the word "divert", given that this 'Smear Abhisit' campaign is a diversionary tactic to avert the public's eyes away from the crimes of PTP themselves.

PTP crimes which are not only much more serious than draft-dodging, but are current 2012 crimes that have occured this year and are still occuring. Them throwing this 'diversion' 1986 non-story to their lapdogs and their baying hounds, is I'm sure enough diversion for simple minded loyal canines but it doesn't interest most educated human beings at all.

Good dog. Have a biscuit.

Edited July 21, 2012 by Yunla

[ThaiOats]

What were the consequences of his actions to the nation?

A few years of rubber-stamp rule?

Can you elaborate in detail or give some examples of that? Or are you saying it just for the hell of it?

Nah, I'll just let you sweat that one out.

So you resort to trolling. Guess it was too much to ask.

[ThaiOats]

So when you say "it makes no difference, he's still the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics." you're not holding up to such standards?

can you explain what that statemtent means please, i'm not so sure.

cheers.

If I misunderstood you when you said "it makes no difference, he's still the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics.", can you explain?

I understand that you consider him "the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics". I hope we're speaking English here.

[carra]

so no opinion, not a shred of a negative response towards this... just divert, divert, divert.

is there a point in anyone on this forum trying to discuss anything political with you?

have you ever acknowledged any meaningful wrongdoing on your side?

i'm surprised people still interact in debates with you on here tbh, but that's just imho....

It is sort of ironic you spamming the word "divert", given that this 'Smear Abhisit' campaign is a diversionary tactic to avert the public's eyes away from the crimes of PTP themselves.

PTP crimes which are not only much more serious than draft-dodging, but are current 2012 crimes that have occured this year and are still occuring. Them throwing this 'diversion' 1986 non-story to their lapdogs and their baying hounds, is I'm sure enough diversion for simple minded loyal canines but it doesn't interest most educated human beings at all.

Good dog. Have a biscuit.

How is raising an important issue a 'smear campaign'?

if it is can we also agree the the sexual misconduct allegations against the elected pm also a smear campaign? i am just wondering what constitutes a smear campaign in your head, is it anything against your beloved abhisit is a smear campaign?

[ThaiOats]

lets count the posts until someone tries to compare this matter with something totally irrelevant that thaksin has done to try and justify abhists actions. i am sure it will be on this page.

I'm also glad that FINALLY they got something on Abhisit.

pfffffffft

yeah right

You mean that they won't get something on Abhisit or are you doubting me when I said "I'm also glad that FINALLY they got something on Abhisit."

[ThaiOats]

so no opinion, not a shred of a negative response towards this... just divert, divert, divert.

is there a point in anyone on this forum trying to discuss anything political with you?

have you ever acknowledged any meaningful wrongdoing on your side?

i'm surprised people still interact in debates with you on here tbh, but that's just imho....

It is sort of ironic you spamming the word "divert", given that this 'Smear Abhisit' campaign is a diversionary tactic to avert the public's eyes away from the crimes of PTP themselves.

PTP crimes which are not only much more serious than draft-dodging, but are current 2012 crimes that have occured this year and are still occuring. Them throwing this 'diversion' 1986 non-story to their lapdogs and their baying hounds, is I'm sure enough diversion for simple minded loyal canines but it doesn't interest most educated human beings at all.

Good dog. Have a biscuit.

How is raising an important issue a 'smear campaign'?

if it is can we also agree the the sexual misconduct allegations against the elected pm also a smear campaign? i am just wondering what constitutes a smear campaign in your head, is it anything against your beloved abhisit is a smear campaign?

Carra, despite you not wanting other people to bring up a red herring, you've brought up the yellow shirts, the sexual conduct of the PM and Samak. There's another thread on this subject which explicitly mentions that the Red Shirt-leader Jatuporn is trying to use this as a smear campaign. If you were to watch AsiaUpdate you'd understand. Even the defamation case against Abhisit, Jatuporn initiated it.

[nurofiend]

so no opinion, not a shred of a negative response towards this... just divert, divert, divert.

is there a point in anyone on this forum trying to discuss anything political with you?

have you ever acknowledged any meaningful wrongdoing on your side?

i'm surprised people still interact in debates with you on here tbh, but that's just imho....

It is sort of ironic you spamming the word "divert", given that this 'Smear Abhisit' campaign is a diversionary tactic to avert the public's eyes away from the crimes of PTP themselves.

PTP crimes which are not only much more serious than draft-dodging, but are current 2012 crimes that have occured this year and are still occuring. Them throwing this 'diversion' 1986 non-story to their lapdogs and their baying hounds, is I'm sure enough diversion for simple minded loyal canines but it doesn't interest most educated human beings at all.

Good dog. Have a biscuit.

It is completely ironic of you to take issue with people slating abhisit in a thread about abhisit, when you're always accusing people of bringing the dems/abhsit into threads about the reds/thaskin as diversionary tactic...

you're full of contradictions, and you will say whatever suits your agenda regardless of the realities that you are being hypocritical.

[jackr]

Whatever the rabble manage to drum up to besmirch this good man's name, at the end of the day Mark is worth 100 of the entire corrupt cabinet of lemmings even if it came to light that he cheated in Oxford and personally gunned down the mob.

Though we all know where it's coming from. Just cannot let it be, can he!

[nurofiend]

So when you say "it makes no difference, he's still the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics." you're not holding up to such standards?

can you explain what that statemtent means please, i'm not so sure.

cheers.

If I misunderstood you when you said "it makes no difference, he's still the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics.", can you explain?

I understand that you consider him "the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics". I hope we're speaking English here.

we are, but my tongue was in my cheek.

i don't think that about abhisit for a second.

most people got it i reckon...

[nurofiend]

lets count the posts until someone tries to compare this matter with something totally irrelevant that thaksin has done to try and justify abhists actions. i am sure it will be on this page.

I'm also glad that FINALLY they got something on Abhisit.

pfffffffft

yeah right

You mean that they won't get something on Abhisit or are you doubting me when I said "I'm also glad that FINALLY they got something on Abhisit."

i'll leave it up to your interpretation.

[ThaiOats]

So when you say "it makes no difference, he's still the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics." you're not holding up to such standards?

can you explain what that statemtent means please, i'm not so sure.

cheers.

If I misunderstood you when you said "it makes no difference, he's still the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics.", can you explain?

I understand that you consider him "the shining example of honesty and integrity and all that's right with thai politics". I hope we're speaking English here.

we are, but my tongue was in my cheek.

i don't think that about abhisit for a second.

most people got it i reckon...

Sorry. As I said earlier I'm open to possibilities and one such possibility is someone not being smart enough to understand his own words...