U S Wants The Film "innocence Of Muslims" To Be Removed From Google

[rsokolowski]

By all means, ban it. It, free speech, truth. Ban them all ! After all, you wouldn't want certain groups of people to act violently every time their feelings get hurt. Oh wait. those certain groups act violently quite often anyways, and apparently have no problem finding multitudes of other reasons for committing violence and murder in the name of their religion.

Keep in mind that even if you were to find a way of totally eliminating this clip from the internet, it won't disappear, and neither will the violence that certain religious segments of society seem to think is perfectly justified whenever their whittle feelings get hurt. They will find other excuses to do the same, or worse, because their RELIGION justifies it.

But go ahead, ban the video. Cave in to the terrorists. Become Quislings. Suck up and try to appease them the way Europe tried to suck up and appease Hitler in the mid to late 1930's. Worked well for them, didn't it ?

Oh wait. I seem to recall the outcome of all that a@@kissing and appeasement was something called World War II ? Ah well, guess that's the price you pay when you prefer to prostate yourself and suppress the truth, rather than stand up to those that feel they are justified in using violence and murder to achieve their goals.

Sure glad all those Libyans have long memories and are still grateful to the Americans for all they did in helping to get rid of Gaddafi LESS THAN A YEAR AGO. Little wonder the US doesn't want to get involved in Syria. Seems the more you help certain groups of people, the more they resent you and want to stab you in the back, while (usually) still holding out their hands begging for money.

Great comment. Why is it that only the Muslims cannot control themselves when religion is slighted. When a crucifix was put on display in a jar of urine, or a picture of Christ was made out of dung how many people were killed by the angry mobs of Christians around the world? If everyone around the world would just convert to Islam and obey sharia law everything would be fine.

Go home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why, I am home.

[SunsetT]

I strongly believed freedom of speech to be very important

but I dissagre with freedom of slander, freedom to encite

violence (and those producers knew exatly what the airing

of that movie would do).

Even the best democracies don't allow freedom of inciting

haterance or malicious attempts to destabalize institutions.

Try denying the holocaust in germany as example,

The more freedom we want, the more security we lose and

if we want security, we give up some of the freedom we have.

Just can't have the penny and the bun.

This goes beyond freedom of speech and expression. I dont know about the US, but I think we have laws in the UK banning 'incitement to violence' and 'promoting religious hatred' which this total garbage clearly sets out to do. I think all those participating in the making of it should be prosecuted accordingly, as I think that they must have known full well what they were doing. Google are also culpable, as in posting it, they are complicit. They should have known better.

But apparently there isn't anything false in the video so if it is an incitement to violence, what does that say about the Quran?

Thanks for telling me there isnt anything false, apparently, in a video which is based on a story -a myth, a legend! To us infidels the Quran is fiction, but to Muslims it is history and truth. But myth and fiction have a purpose -a message, an intent. What is the message/intent of this video? It is deliberate and clearly provocative. What is the message of the Quran? The problem with any message is that it can be interpreted in different ways, Take 'Jihad'; it is interpreted in 3 ways (from Wikipedia):

• A believer's internal struggle to live out the Muslim faith as well as possible
  
• The struggle to build a good Muslim society
  
• Holy war: the struggle to defend Islam, with force if necessary
  

It is,as now, usually the third that makes the news in the West, and is the 'Message of the Quran' that we usually get and to which you Koheesti, refer. This grotty and deliberately provocative little film would be seen by many Muslims as an attack on Islam so they believe they have a duty to wage Jihad -a holy war to defend it.

[pcdude]

I am proud to be able to stand up and say...

You have the right to agree or refute my opinion.

We matured from Apes and developed Intelligence to give us that choice!

However some have yet to evolve from Apes and feel it is necessary to impose their will on others, whether by choice or by force.

Edited September 15, 2012 by pcdude

[SunsetT]

By all means, ban it. It, free speech, truth. Ban them all ! After all, you wouldn't want certain groups of people to act violently every time their feelings get hurt. Oh wait. those certain groups act violently quite often anyways, and apparently have no problem finding multitudes of other reasons for committing violence and murder in the name of their religion.

Keep in mind that even if you were to find a way of totally eliminating this clip from the internet, it won't disappear, and neither will the violence that certain religious segments of society seem to think is perfectly justified whenever their whittle feelings get hurt. They will find other excuses to do the same, or worse, because their RELIGION justifies it.

But go ahead, ban the video. Cave in to the terrorists. Become Quislings. Suck up and try to appease them the way Europe tried to suck up and appease Hitler in the mid to late 1930's. Worked well for them, didn't it ?

Oh wait. I seem to recall the outcome of all that a@@kissing and appeasement was something called World War II ? Ah well, guess that's the price you pay when you prefer to prostate yourself and suppress the truth, rather than stand up to those that feel they are justified in using violence and murder to achieve their goals.

Sure glad all those Libyans have long memories and are still grateful to the Americans for all they did in helping to get rid of Gaddafi LESS THAN A YEAR AGO. Little wonder the US doesn't want to get involved in Syria. Seems the more you help certain groups of people, the more they resent you and want to stab you in the back, while (usually) still holding out their hands begging for money.

Great comment. Why is it that only the Muslims cannot control themselves when religion is slighted. When a crucifix was put on display in a jar of urine, or a picture of Christ was made out of dung how many people were killed by the angry mobs of Christians around the world? If everyone around the world would just convert to Islam and obey sharia law everything would be fine.

Because Jesus taught Christians to love their enemy and, when attacked, to turn the other cheek. Islam teaches Muslims it is their duty to defend their faith using violence if necessary.

[pcdude]

Because Jesus taught Christians to love their enemy and, when attacked, to turn the other cheek. Islam teaches Muslims it is their duty to defend their faith using violence if necessary.

And to kill our first born... Destroy humanity in floods... Worship me or be damned to eternal damnation (christians. Muslims or any other sucker religion)

When religion and its BS takes a backseat to nature and common sense, then the world will heal itself

Edited September 15, 2012 by pcdude

[SunsetT]

By all means, ban it. It, free speech, truth. Ban them all ! After all, you wouldn't want certain groups of people to act violently every time their feelings get hurt. Oh wait. those certain groups act violently quite often anyways, and apparently have no problem finding multitudes of other reasons for committing violence and murder in the name of their religion.

Keep in mind that even if you were to find a way of totally eliminating this clip from the internet, it won't disappear, and neither will the violence that certain religious segments of society seem to think is perfectly justified whenever their whittle feelings get hurt. They will find other excuses to do the same, or worse, because their RELIGION justifies it.

But go ahead, ban the video. Cave in to the terrorists. Become Quislings. Suck up and try to appease them the way Europe tried to suck up and appease Hitler in the mid to late 1930's. Worked well for them, didn't it ?

Oh wait. I seem to recall the outcome of all that a@@kissing and appeasement was something called World War II ? Ah well, guess that's the price you pay when you prefer to prostate yourself and suppress the truth, rather than stand up to those that feel they are justified in using violence and murder to achieve their goals.

Sure glad all those Libyans have long memories and are still grateful to the Americans for all they did in helping to get rid of Gaddafi LESS THAN A YEAR AGO. Little wonder the US doesn't want to get involved in Syria. Seems the more you help certain groups of people, the more they resent you and want to stab you in the back, while (usually) still holding out their hands begging for money.

Great comment. Why is it that only the Muslims cannot control themselves when religion is slighted. When a crucifix was put on display in a jar of urine, or a picture of Christ was made out of dung how many people were killed by the angry mobs of Christians around the world? If everyone around the world would just convert to Islam and obey sharia law everything would be fine.

Because Jesus taught Christians to love their enemy and, when attacked, to turn the other cheek. Islam teaches Muslims it is their duty to defend their faith using violence if necessary.

Correction.........Jesus taught Jews, Romans, Samaritans etc. to turn the other cheek........There werent any Christians (or Muslims) around back then.

[spiritrace]

Removal of the film would be contrary to our (USA) principles of freedom of speech. This white house is very pro Islam and obviously anti Christian and anti American.

These radicals are rioting on a planned riot that started on 9/11. Has little to do with a film that has been around for a while. 9/11 was the destruction of the world trade center in New York. The radicals will use any excuse to riot and kill innocent people (including their own) who have nothing to do with their insane viewpoint.

Countless people from many countries have been trying to help Arabs with building schools, infrastructure and all the while are wasting their time with countries and people who I regard as sub-human radicals.. They destroy their own people to satisfy a sensless and insane belief. Even their own people are afraid to go up against them because of fear. No one should have to live in fear like that.

[Jayman]

Removal of the film would be contrary to our (USA) principles of freedom of speech. This white house is very pro Islam and obviously anti Christian and anti American.

These radicals are rioting on a planned riot that started on 9/11. Has little to do with a film that has been around for a while. 9/11 was the destruction of the world trade center in New York. The radicals will use any excuse to riot and kill innocent people (including their own) who have nothing to do with their insane viewpoint.

Countless people from many countries have been trying to help Arabs with building schools, infrastructure and all the while are wasting their time with countries and people who I regard as sub-human radicals.. They destroy their own people to satisfy a sensless and insane belief. Even their own people are afraid to go up against them because of fear. No one should have to live in fear like that.

Well it sounds like Egyptian that made this movie isn't afraid to go up against them.

[simple1]

Removal of the film would be contrary to our (USA) principles of freedom of speech. This white house is very pro Islam and obviously anti Christian and anti American.

These radicals are rioting on a planned riot that started on 9/11. Has little to do with a film that has been around for a while. 9/11 was the destruction of the world trade center in New York. The radicals will use any excuse to riot and kill innocent people (including their own) who have nothing to do with their insane viewpoint.

Countless people from many countries have been trying to help Arabs with building schools, infrastructure and all the while are wasting their time with countries and people who I regard as sub-human radicals.. They destroy their own people to satisfy a sensless and insane belief. Even their own people are afraid to go up against them because of fear. No one should have to live in fear like that.

Sounds like you are some weirdo radical yourself. What good old far right organisation do you belong to?

[landslide]

Censorship of this film sets a horrible precedent. Yes the film is slanderous, but it is an opinion. We in the west do not censor the so called adherents of the "religion of peace" when they protest in their adopted countries. Unlike countries in the Muslim world, we allow all individuals to practice their religion of choice and to express their opinions freely. To bow to the demands of a mob is to abandon the principles upon which the USA was founded. Obama may be willing to do this, as he has in so many other matters, but not the vast majority of the US citizens. To paraphrase what has been said before, I may hate what you are saying, but I defend to the death your right to say it.

[chooka]

Leave the film and just remove the Muslim nations from the internet - end of problem.

True if it offends them so much then don't watch it. Is it really that difficult. If islam is really a religion of "Peace and Tolerance" then why are they being so violent and intolerant? A bit of a contridiction.

[chooka]

a film made in America deliberately aimed at inflaming racial hatred (yes racial)...... judging by some of the posts here, it's done the job.

Just one question, what Race was it directed at? I wasn't aware that Islam was a race.

[endure]

Removal of the film would be contrary to our (USA) principles of freedom of speech. This white house is very pro Islam and obviously anti Christian and anti American.

Oh please. You ought to get out more.

[Ulysses G.]

This grotty and deliberately provocative little film would be seen by many Muslims as an attack on Islam so they believe they have a duty to wage Jihad -a holy war to defend it.

There are thousands of books, articles and videos with intelligent points of view on the internet that question Islam and every other religion. If this video is banned, the rabble will keep up the intimidation and the rest would be next. I do not see much merit in this crappy video, but it breaks no laws, it does not break Youtube rules and it is going to remain online unless Youtube give in to the lynch mob and primal chaos.

[Ulysses G.]

As so many posters have compared "Life of Brian" to "Innocence of Muslims" and nobody objected to the content of" Life of Brian", you may like to review the link below, in summary. "at the time of its release, drawing accusations of blasphemy and protests from some religious groups.

The point is that no one was murdered and there were no riots because of it. That is not the case in the Middle East.

[softgeorge]

As so many posters have compared "Life of Brian" to "Innocence of Muslims" and nobody objected to the content of" Life of Brian", you may like to review the link below, in summary. "at the time of its release, drawing accusations of blasphemy and protests from some religious groups.

The point is that no one was murdered and there were no riots because of it. That is not the case in the Middle East.

I agree the response to the life of brian was so minor that it was hardly heard of. There was no worldwide rioting, destruction and murders. Two very different types of people also.

[simple1]

As so many posters have compared "Life of Brian" to "Innocence of Muslims" and nobody objected to the content of" Life of Brian", you may like to review the link below, in summary. "at the time of its release, drawing accusations of blasphemy and protests from some religious groups.

The point is that no one was murdered and there were no riots because of it. That is not the case in the Middle East.

No, the point is that some people do take offense when content is viewed as derogatory to their faith. Some posters have said is not the case in western society. Yes some Muslims have taken their response way over the top, but not the majority

Edited September 15, 2012 by simple1

[Scott]

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[Credo]

Personally, I think it is a good thing that the White House asked that the video clip be removed. It was a prudent move on their part. I am equally content with the internet providers deciding against taking it down. It would seem that everyone is acting within the bounds of the law.

[sauvagecheri]

I jokingly posted this on another thread but maybe instead of trying to limit the offensive material, we should flood these people with it. They'll eventually get tired of protesting and desensitized to "offensive" content.

You are so right .one of the best and reasonable comments made so far on this thread ,after a while no one would notice the "offending material " .

Certainly one approach to eradicate islamic bigotry .

It will take time though (Centuries maybe ?)and many will die over this stupid stuff as usual before it all blows over ,

We have to absolutely stand fast and not cave in to demands of censure at any cost or this attempt at totalitarism could very well succeed .

Reminds me of the story of Gulliver ,where the folks who ate their egg by the small end were at war with the ones who ate their egg by the large end! Makes me wonder !..

Edited September 16, 2012 by sauvagecheri

[SeaVisionBurma]

If we assume the year 610 AD ......... as the time when Islam was invented we see that they today are still in their Medieval Period. And when we take a look at the Christians of the 15th century AD we see that they were an equally violent mob, ready to go on murderous rampages against jews, pagans or "heretics" at a moment's notice. However there is one excuse. They didn't know any better. The Age of Enlightenment was still to come.

This line of reasoning defies belief.

So you're saying that because Islam was 'invented' some 600 years after the supposed time of Jesus being around, then by your logic you subtract 600 odd years from the current year - thereby making Islam's current year of progress equivalent to Christianity in the 15th century......

REALLY???

There are so many holes in this I don't know where to begin.

Next time don't start an illogical argument like that with "If we assume" - it lumps the rest of us in there with you....

[koheesti]

But apparently there isn't anything false in the video so if it is an incitement to violence, what does that say about the Quran?

Thanks for telling me there isnt anything false, apparently, in a video which is based on a story -a myth, a legend! To us infidels the Quran is fiction, but to Muslims it is history and truth.

And the silliness portrayed in the video apparently is accurate according to the Quran.

[koheesti]

Meanwhile, Morris Sadek, a U.S.-based Egyptian Coptic Christian activist who said he promoted the film, told Reuters he was sorry U.S. diplomats had been killed and that his objective had been to highlight discrimination against Copts in Egypt.

Coptic Christians, who form Egypt's biggest minority group and constitute most of Egypt's Christian population, have had a difficult relationship with the country's overwhelmingly Muslim majority.

Conflicts over conversions, cross-faith romances and church-building have flared in Egyptian towns where turf wars or family rivalries often loom as large as sectarian loyalties.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/us-usa-libya-film-idUSBRE88C08S20120913

[sauvagecheri]

I don't want to start a byzantine debate here, just a simple question

What is the point behind making such movie?

For every action there is reaction.

Regards.

My take is that there is a really pissed off Egyptian Copt person ,or a family of Egyptian Copts or maybe a community of Egyptian Copts ,who were probably persecuted or tortured or generally made miserable by some Islamist bigots over a long period of time ,which suffering motivated this man to produce this movie !

This man does not seem to have any lost love for "The religion of peace" maybe for very good reasons ,reasons which will most likely come out in the foreseable future ,stay posted !

I maintain he is a true hero for daring to do what he has done knowing very well the possible consequences of producing this piece .

And yes such people have historically caused many troubles for many just as our controversial prophet has done ,it's just the way it is !,

It is to be remembered that Egypt was largely Christian before the muslim conquest ,that was 1400 years ago ,those things have a life of their own ,the Buddhists call it Karma .

Edited September 16, 2012 by sauvagecheri

[Nutcracker]

If the movie contained a disclaimer such as "The characters in this film are fictitious and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental", then the objections would not have arisen. I blame the production company. Is it too late to make the correction?

[chuckd]

If we assume the year 610 AD ......... as the time when Islam was invented we see that they today are still in their Medieval Period. And when we take a look at the Christians of the 15th century AD we see that they were an equally violent mob, ready to go on murderous rampages against jews, pagans or "heretics" at a moment's notice. However there is one excuse. They didn't know any better. The Age of Enlightenment was still to come.

This line of reasoning defies belief.

So you're saying that because Islam was 'invented' some 600 years after the supposed time of Jesus being around, then by your logic you subtract 600 odd years from the current year - thereby making Islam's current year of progress equivalent to Christianity in the 15th century......

REALLY???

There are so many holes in this I don't know where to begin.

Next time don't start an illogical argument like that with "If we assume" - it lumps the rest of us in there with you....

In the Islamic calendar, the current date is 29 Shawwal 1433.

http://www.al-habib.info/islamic-calendar/islamic-calendar-ummulqura-2012.htm

[Jaivin2011]

_{There is a limit to freedom of expression. Though I am not a muslim and do not like Muslims, I think that one such not make fun or support the actions of making fun or insulting another's religion. How would the Christians react if something like that was done to make fun of Christs. Also those that condone such freedom, how would you like if people psoted photos or comments about you, your family ie wife or daughters with a malicious tone?}

_{Goggle and Youtube should actually be punished for not taking down this stupid video.}

Edited September 16, 2012 by Scott
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[Xangsamhua]

A post which violates Fair Use Policy has been removed from view. When quoting outside sources, please use only the first 3 sentences of the material and then a link.

Sorry, I think that was me.

(I'm sure I've used more than the first three sentences in other threads. )

This was it, in 3 sentences:

At the time of writing, it is unknown whether the protests were planned by those who attacked the embassy. The film has only recently been dubbed into Arabic and promoted on Arabic channels, indicating someone was deliberately trying to provoke an angry mob. Which brings us to the intentions of the filmmakers themselves.

More at http://www.abc.net.a...ed/4261316.html

[sauvagecheri]

_{There is a limit to freedom of expression. Though I am not a muslim and do not like Muslims, I think that one such not make fun or support the actions of making fun or insulting another's religion. How would the Christians react if something like that was done to make fun of Christs. Also those that condone such freedom, how would you like if people psoted photos or comments about you, your family ie wife or daughters with a malicious tone?}

_{Goggle and Youtube should actually be punished for not taking down this stupid video.}

I strongly disagree ,if we were to follow your line of reasoning ,we would still believe the earth is flat ,it is only because some courageous people took risks and went contrary to the main stream that we broke through so many superstitions ,the muslims believe the sun set in a pool of mud ?Do you believe it ?

They believe the prophet rode on his mythical horse and had a meeting with Jesus Abraham and many other prophets ,do you believe it ?

And you cannot even refute this pap without offending the sensibilities of those folks ,And if you try to argue about this poppycock stuff you can be killed, lashed or whatever ,no rational discussion is possible ,The coran ,has to be taken litterally ..no discussion about it period ,for the entire planet no less !

Watch this one :

You dont make omelets without breaking the eggs ,this egg has to crack ! Lol Even if it offends somebody ,and yes fun is poked about Jesus Christ all the time ,Crucifixes upside down in urine and all ,and the earth is still spinning and yes it does go around the sun !

Edited September 16, 2012 by sauvagecheri

[MikeOboe57]

If we assume the year 610 AD ......... as the time when Islam was invented we see that they today are still in their Medieval Period. And when we take a look at the Christians of the 15th century AD we see that they were an equally violent mob, ready to go on murderous rampages against jews, pagans or "heretics" at a moment's notice. However there is one excuse. They didn't know any better. The Age of Enlightenment was still to come.

This line of reasoning defies belief.

So you're saying that because Islam was 'invented' some 600 years after the supposed time of Jesus being around, then by your logic you subtract 600 odd years from the current year - thereby making Islam's current year of progress equivalent to Christianity in the 15th century......

REALLY???

There are so many holes in this I don't know where to begin.

Next time don't start an illogical argument like that with "If we assume" - it lumps the rest of us in there with you....

What a cheap shot. If there are so many "holes" you could have easily named a few or at least one. You could, for example, have pointed out the substantial differences in the social status of women, the attitude towards homosexuals, "heretics", apostates, "infidels" or the "DEUS LO VULT" (God wants it) excuse for going on murderous rampages. See, it would have been so easy. Instead you chose to go "ad personam", which is the cheap way when your argument holds no substance.