Road Rampage Kills Woman, Injures 11 Pedestrians In Welsh Capital

[News_Editor]

Road rampage kills woman, injures 11 pedestrians in Welsh capital < br />

2012-10-20 20:39:36 GMT+7 (ICT)

CARDIFF, WALES (BNO NEWS) -- A woman was killed Friday and more than a dozen others were injured when a man deliberately drove his van into groups of pedestrians in the Welsh capital of Cardiff, police said on Saturday. A suspect has been arrested on suspicion of murder.

The hit-and-run incidents happened between 3:30 p.m. and 4 p.m. local time on Friday when the van drove into groups of pedestrians at Crossways, Cowbridge Road West, Grand Avenue, Sloper Road, and Asda. The five incident scenes are located in the Ely and Leckwith areas of the city.

A 31-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of murder just after 4 p.m. when officers stopped the white Iveco transit van near Merrie Harrier in the town of Penarth, located about 5.2 miles (8.4 kilometers) southwest from the city center of Cardiff. His motive for the attacks was not immediately known.

"Unfortunately, and tragically, outside the fire station on Cowbridge Road West, as a result of the incident that has occurred, a 32-year-old female has lost her life," Superintendent Julian Williams of South Wales Police said during a news conference. "Our thoughts are obviously with her family and our family liaison officers are with the family at the moment."

Thirteen other pedestrians were injured by the hit-and-run incidents, including nine people who were still receiving treatment Saturday at the University Hospital of Wales. Two of the adults remain in a critical but stable condition while five children may be released over the weekend.

Detective Superintendent Paul Hurley said police were also investigating reports that the driver assaulted several people outside his vehicle during the rampage. "A number of the victims have been struck by the vehicle [but] there is witness evidence to suggest that the person we have in custody has physically assaulted people outside of the vehicle," he said, adding that a weapon may have been involved.

-- © BNO News All rights reserved 2012-10-20

[Digitalbanana]

Odd that the man doesn't have a name or photo in the UK media even?

[Suradit69]

Sad indeed. One assumes that he was either deranged and/or under the influence of booze or drugs.

But it does demonstrate that this sort of thing can happen anywhere in the world. Of course, if it happened in Thailand, this thread would be pages long with all the pontification and self-righteous condemnation aimed at everyone and everything Thai.

[7by7]

Odd that the man doesn't have a name or photo in the UK media even?

Standard procedure in the UK is that the police do not release the identity of an arrested person until they have been formally charged with an offence.

Cardiff hit-and-runs: Brother pays tribute to Karina

Ms Menzies' brother, Craig, told BBC Radio 5 Live what he had learned about the incident, saying his sister had apparently screamed and thrown her children out of the way. He added: "She's saved their lives, basically."

[EarthAlien]

Sad indeed. One assumes that he was either deranged and/or under the influence of booze or drugs.

But it does demonstrate that this sort of thing can happen anywhere in the world. Of course, if it happened in Thailand, this thread would be pages long with all the pontification and self-righteous condemnation aimed at everyone and everything Thai.

Interesting that you chose to have a bash at the "Thai Bashers" even when no Thai bashing had occurred!

Not sure whether this is a classic case of speaking without thinking or simply that you were feeling slightly antagonistic for some reason.

I've seen lots of evidence of poor driving due to lack of skill and training,.. and plenty of plain bad driving manners but as of yet I haven't really seen any evidence of road rage at all in Thailand despite having driven all over the country in living here for the past 7 years!

[ttelise]

Sad indeed. One assumes that he was either deranged and/or under the influence of booze or drugs.

But it does demonstrate that this sort of thing can happen anywhere in the world. Of course, if it happened in Thailand, this thread would be pages long with all the pontification and self-righteous condemnation aimed at everyone and everything Thai.

Haha, in Thailand, the driver would leave scene, disappear for enough time to sober up, turn himself in, show remorse, and get a 300 Baht fine.

[7by7]

One person has died, two more may yet die and eight have been injured; and you say 'Haha!'

Shame on you.

[radiochaser]

"A number of the victims have been struck by the vehicle [but] there is witness evidence to suggest that the person we have in custody has physically assaulted people outside of the vehicle," he said, adding that a weapon may have been involved."

Would that weapon have been constructed of metal, plastic, rubber, and other materials, commonly called a vehicle?

Weapons are not just knives and firearms! A weapon is anything that is used to assault and cause harm to another person!

[ttelise]

One person has died, two more may yet die and eight have been injured; and you say 'Haha!'

Shame on you.

Jeez, get a life if that offends. I was obviously posting response to another poster's statement and was making no reference to the sad and disturbing events in the OP where perpetrator deserves to spend the rest of their life in jail.

[Steely Dan]

Odd that the man doesn't have a name or photo in the UK media even?

The UK media can engage in news blackout rivaling some totalitarian regimes on occasion. The key here is finding out why the name has not been released, the reason should prove interesting.

[Baerboxer]

Odd that the man doesn't have a name or photo in the UK media even?

The UK media can engage in news blackout rivaling some totalitarian regimes on occasion. The key here is finding out why the name has not been released, the reason should prove interesting.

Read 7by7's post above where he explains standard UK police procedure. People arrested on suspicion are not named until formally charged with an offence or offences.

This is a tragic incident leading to loss of life and injuries of innocent people. It looks like the police have aprehended the perp and he will be named when charged.

Edited October 22, 2012 by Baerboxer

[richard_smith237]

Sad indeed. One assumes that he was either deranged and/or under the influence of booze or drugs.

But it does demonstrate that this sort of thing can happen anywhere in the world. Of course, if it happened in Thailand, this thread would be pages long with all the pontification and self-righteous condemnation aimed at everyone and everything Thai.

Instead this thread already contains at least one post of self-righteous condemnation…

Your antagonism is flawed as is your own ‘self-righteousness’….

Edited October 22, 2012 by richard_smith237

[richard_smith237]

Odd that the man doesn't have a name or photo in the UK media even?

The UK media can engage in news blackout rivaling some totalitarian regimes on occasion. The key here is finding out why the name has not been released, the reason should prove interesting.

Read 7by7's post above where he explains standard UK police procedure. People arrested on suspicion are not named until formally charged with an offence or offences.

This is a tragic incident leading to loss of life and injuries of innocent people. It looks like the police have aprehended the perp and he will be named when charged.

Yep - it is often a criticism we see here ThaiVisa.com when the details of Victims and Suspects are published. In the UK and many other countries it is a violation of privacy.

Such privacy is not recognised here and wrongly so IMO.

[7by7]

There are, actually, two reasons why a suspect is usually not named by the media until charged.

The first is that if a suspect were named by the media and then released without charge, said Innocent person could then sue the media involved for defamation.

The second, and main one, is that the media usually doesn't know a suspects identity. The ACPO guidelines say.

The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) issued a set of guidelines to the police on this subject. The guidelines stated that the police should not generally provide the names of people under investigation to the media. If they do not actually identify the suspect, the police are allowed to give some details such as age, occupation or where the suspect is from.

The ACPO guidelines also state that once an individual has been charged then the police can and will identify them to the media, usually providing name, age and occupation. There are certain exceptions; for instance this applies to adults (see other articles for juveniles). The official release of this information will include details of the charge and subsequent court appearances.

In what it terms ‘exceptional circumstances’, the ACPO guidelines accept that police may release the name of a suspect prior to a charge, if it is in the public interest to do so. Moreover, when a media organisation has already discovered the suspect’s name through investigative journalism and seek confirmation of it, the police are permitted to confirm the name (Source)

These guidelines are in place to protect the identity of the innocent.

So, Steely Dan; did you find that interesting?

Edited October 22, 2012 by 7by7

[sandrabbit]

the BBC have released these details about the lunatic driver

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-20025413

[7by7]

To be pedantic, the BBC have not 'released' his details; because until he was formally charged they didn't have his details.

Like other media, they have reported his appearance in the magistrates court; where he was formally charged and named.

[Steely Dan]

There are, actually, two reasons why a suspect is usually not named by the media until charged.

The first is that if a suspect were named by the media and then released without charge, said Innocent person could then sue the media involved for defamation.

The second, and main one, is that the media usually doesn't know a suspects identity. The ACPO guidelines say.

The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) issued a set of guidelines to the police on this subject. The guidelines stated that the police should not generally provide the names of people under investigation to the media. If they do not actually identify the suspect, the police are allowed to give some details such as age, occupation or where the suspect is from.

The ACPO guidelines also state that once an individual has been charged then the police can and will identify them to the media, usually providing name, age and occupation. There are certain exceptions; for instance this applies to adults (see other articles for juveniles). The official release of this information will include details of the charge and subsequent court appearances.

In what it terms ‘exceptional circumstances’, the ACPO guidelines accept that police may release the name of a suspect prior to a charge, if it is in the public interest to do so. Moreover, when a media organisation has already discovered the suspect’s name through investigative journalism and seek confirmation of it, the police are permitted to confirm the name (Source)

These guidelines are in place to protect the identity of the innocent.

So, Steely Dan; did you find that interesting?

I don't see much room for innocence in killing one person, injuring 12 and actually getting out of the vehicle to attack some. As I stated the possible grounds for innocence will indeed be of interest. It is of course possible that the police have not yet been able to identify the arrested man, but in that case how do they know his age?

Edited October 22, 2012 by Steely Dan

[ttelise]

There are, actually, two reasons why a suspect is usually not named by the media until charged.

The first is that if a suspect were named by the media and then released without charge, said Innocent person could then sue the media involved for defamation.

The second, and main one, is that the media usually doesn't know a suspects identity. The ACPO guidelines say.

The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) issued a set of guidelines to the police on this subject. The guidelines stated that the police should not generally provide the names of people under investigation to the media. If they do not actually identify the suspect, the police are allowed to give some details such as age, occupation or where the suspect is from.

The ACPO guidelines also state that once an individual has been charged then the police can and will identify them to the media, usually providing name, age and occupation. There are certain exceptions; for instance this applies to adults (see other articles for juveniles). The official release of this information will include details of the charge and subsequent court appearances.

In what it terms ‘exceptional circumstances’, the ACPO guidelines accept that police may release the name of a suspect prior to a charge, if it is in the public interest to do so. Moreover, when a media organisation has already discovered the suspect’s name through investigative journalism and seek confirmation of it, the police are permitted to confirm the name (Source)

These guidelines are in place to protect the identity of the innocent.

So, Steely Dan; did you find that interesting?

I don't see much room for innocence in killing one person, injuring 12 and actually getting out of the vehicle to attack some. As I stated the possible grounds for innocence will indeed be of interest. It is of course possible that the police have not yet been able to identify the arrested man, but in that case how do they know his age?

Carbon dating?

[7by7]

Steely Dan, you obviously had difficulty in understanding the post of mine you have quoted, so I will try and keep this simple.

The post was not commenting on the innocence or otherwise of the man arrested for this appalling crime. It was a general comment on why people detained for questioning, or even arrested, are not named by the police until they are formally charged.

People are questioned by the police every day and then released without charge as they are innocent of whatever crime they are being questioned about. This is what I meant when I said the guidelines were in place to protect the innocent.

If there is enough evidence to formally charge a suspect then said suspect will be named; as has happened in this case; see the link in sandrabbit's post above.

This is standard procedure, although in exceptional circumstances, such as when the police are looking for a dangerous suspect, the person will be identified to aid in capturing him or her.

No conspiracy, no totalitarian suppression of the masses; simple procedure based upon the democratic principle that an accused person is innocent until proven guilty.

As I stated the possible grounds for innocence will indeed be of interest.

You must have stated this elsewhere, because it's not in this thread.

What you did state in post 10 is

The key here is finding out why the name has not been released, the reason should prove interesting.

The reasons why Tvrdon was not named before being formally charged have been explained to you several times. Do you understand them now?

[endure]

Odd that the man doesn't have a name or photo in the UK media even?

The UK media can engage in news blackout rivaling some totalitarian regimes on occasion. The key here is finding out why the name has not been released, the reason should prove interesting.

He's not a Muslim. Disappointed?

[roamer]

Police arrest unemployed van driver on suspicion of murder, media will not name him.

Police arrest drunk/stoned pop star for driving through shop window, media will name him.

One headline sells newspapers, the other doesn't..

Forget rules, guidelines, laws, just follow the money.

[7by7]

I don't recall an incident involving a drunk/stoned pop star driving through a shop window; can remind me?

But two points.

Firstly, a quote from the ACPO guidelines

when a media organisation has already discovered the suspect’s name through investigative journalism and seek confirmation of it, the police are permitted to confirm the name

Secondly, now that he has been charged Tvrdon has been named. Maybe the pop star you read about was named after being charged rather than before?

[Steely Dan]

Odd that the man doesn't have a name or photo in the UK media even?

The UK media can engage in news blackout rivaling some totalitarian regimes on occasion. The key here is finding out why the name has not been released, the reason should prove interesting.

He's not a Muslim. Disappointed?

Could you kindly point out where I insinuated anything of the sort, except perhaps in your fevered imagination?

[Scott]

I will intervene at this point. The discussion of Islam in this thread appears to be very much off-topic.

The use of previous threads and posts to insinuate something about a poster is, in my opinion both flaming and baiting.

I strongly suggest that posters return to the topic, which is about other posters.

An off-topic post has been removed.

Edited October 25, 2012 by Scott