Canadian Kills Thai Rival In Deadly Love Triangle

[trainman34014]

Crime of passion, not premeditated 10 years max if that , more like 5, totally acceptable in all societies.

I always feel the term 'Crime of passion' is used as some sort of excuse. It certainly would be in this particular case where the term 'Frenzied Attack' would be more apt. Stabbing anyone 50 times cannot surely be described as a crime of passion; I would expect a single stab wound or two might occur in a passionate moment. We don't know the full facts as yet but one has to wonder if the Canadian guy had his suspicions before returning to Thailand and was therefore 'brewing up' all the way back. Of course, if this should be the case then you could say it was a premeditated attack.

[Nisa]

Crime of passion, not premeditated 10 years max if that , more like 5, totally acceptable in all societies.

I always feel the term 'Crime of passion' is used as some sort of excuse. It certainly would be in this particular case where the term 'Frenzied Attack' would be more apt. Stabbing anyone 50 times cannot surely be described as a crime of passion; I would expect a single stab wound or two might occur in a passionate moment. We don't know the full facts as yet but one has to wonder if the Canadian guy had his suspicions before returning to Thailand and was therefore 'brewing up' all the way back. Of course, if this should be the case then you could say it was a premeditated attack.

Agree. Crime of passion simply takes out the premeditation and could possibly get it down to manslaughter but I don't think anybody in their right mind would believe stabbing somebody 50 or more times isn't going to result in death. If he wants to go with temporary insanity (if there is such a thing in Thailand) then in my mind it would make him fully insane because anybody who is going to become temporarily insane because to the point of stabbing somebody 50 times because their girlfriend has been cheating on them is in my mind already insane and a danger to the community. I think the real shot he might have is if the girlfriend stick with the story that she panicked and was telling the boyfriend the lawyer was an intruder. Premeditation doesn't have a time limit on when the plan needs to be made and if he decided to go into the kitchen and grab a knife and repeatedly stab the guy ... not even sure he can beat premeditation if they really wanted to push this. The part that sits the most uneasy with me is what appears to be a lack of any wounds to the Canadian but we simply don't know all the facts and never will. I just hate to see people throw away their lives over such a thing but hate more when they take away somebody else's life over such a thing.

But given what has been reported, my guess is Colabamumbai's sentencing prediction is close to being right on.

Edited November 13, 2012 by Nisa

[antpet]

Only total nutters stab anyone a multitude of times.

The guy is a crazy psycho, psychotic if you will, to lose it like that.

He will be locked up and if it were in the West he'd have no release date and most likely be placed in a mental hospital.

Most of us would have walked away as our judgement is simply more balanced. Also, the over riding thought in my mind is that it isn't worth risking your own liberty in a corrupt country.

The lessons of women being raped here tells us that.

[Chads]

No matter what you give many women here, it is not enough. Never enough. Never take their "promises" seriously. This is a sociopathic encouraging culture. One night with most is too long.

I don't like stereotyping people of any culture, but reading similar stories and examples again and again is pretty depressing.

Another friend who was cheated on here mentioned, "Many Thai women still always prefer Thai guys, even if they don't look as good, or have less money." Maybe it's a familiarity thing.

[Nisa]

No matter what you give many women here, it is not enough. Never enough. Never take their "promises" seriously. This is a sociopathic encouraging culture. One night with most is too long.

I don't like stereotyping people of any culture, but reading similar stories and examples again and again is pretty depressing.

Another friend who was cheated on here mentioned, "Many Thai women still always prefer Thai guys, even if they don't look as good, or have less money." Maybe it's a familiarity thing.

Yes, cheating in the west is not common and most foreign men you find at Nana or Cowboy are single and don't have wives back home. This story is not about Thai culture and cheating nor is it about farang men being violent ... it is about a guy who stabbed somebody 50 times because he was upset. It is interesting too because each day I read the news I find stories of white guys killing, raping or stealing from people but never once has it occurred to me that I should paint all white guys with the same brush.

If you want to examine why the women was likely cheating then instead of thinking about her national origin, why not think about the fact she was involved in a very long distance relationship and maybe was just lonely and happened to meet somebody and things progressed as happens often in every country. Does it excuse cheating, of course not but it relates to her boyfriend stabbing somebody 50 times as much as how well she kept house if the guy became enraged because his surprised visit discovered the house was a pigsty when she knows he likes things extremely tidy.

Edited November 13, 2012 by Nisa

[Chads]

No matter what you give many women here, it is not enough. Never enough. Never take their "promises" seriously. This is a sociopathic encouraging culture. One night with most is too long.

I don't like stereotyping people of any culture, but reading similar stories and examples again and again is pretty depressing.

Another friend who was cheated on here mentioned, "Many Thai women still always prefer Thai guys, even if they don't look as good, or have less money." Maybe it's a familiarity thing.

Yes, cheating in the west is not common and most foreign men you find at Nana or Cowboy are single and don't have wives back home. This story is not about Thai culture and cheating nor is it about farang men being violent ... it is about a guy who stabbed somebody 50 times because he was upset. It is interesting too because each day I read the news I find stories of white guys killing, raping or stealing from people but never once has it occurred to me that I should paint all white guys with the same brush.

If you want to examine why the women was likely cheating then instead of thinking about her national origin, why not think about the fact she was involved in a very long distance relationship and maybe was just lonely and happened to meet somebody and things progressed as happens often in every country. Does it excuse cheating, of course not but it relates to her boyfriend stabbing somebody 50 times as much as how well she kept house if the guy became enraged because his surprised visit discovered the house was a pigsty when she knows he likes things extremely tidy.

Yes everything you wrote is valid too. But you don't see that many Thai men going over to the West and getting cheated by women there. You see more Western men going to Thailand and getting cheated on by Thai women.

That doesn't mean that if many Thai men got women in the West they wouldn't have the same thing happen to them. It's just that there are less examples for us to draw from, and that's why the comments on this thread have been written from the angles you would have observed.

[brianP]

The winds of anger and jealousy will blow out the candle of calm and collectivism, all will be DARK!

[tingtongtourist]

Now that we dont know the true reason behind all this but still i must be curious about the fact the dead guy lover is a lawyer.

Maybe is the case that the lawyer and the GF were working together to shake canadian guy down somehow, scam with property or money?

This would explain why he so demented and angry to stab him so many times,and also explain why he didnt tell he was coming home.

If someone have constant stress building up from a bad Thai woman,give her everything only to be scammed in a big way i could see how anger could turn him to be crazy like that.Sad

[wildorchid]

Meanwhile, Ms. Patcharaporn was studying for a master’s degree at Ramkhamhaeng University, where she became acquainted with the Thai lawyer.

Where does this leave all of those members who bang on and on about having girls with Master's degrees being so much better than those evil bar girls....?

EZ the uni quoted in the report is an open uni, that means that anyone can go there and study if you can pay the fee's, YES even those evil BAR GIRLS, and the "masters degree" arives in the cornflakes box!!! the fact is that most people that study in these uni's only read the books and go too the uni once a year for the exam, the but a govenment uni you can not, and you have to have a high score to be accepted into a govenment uni, that's why some people bang on about his lady has an education,

[cheeryble]

The house would be in her name in any case, as the farang cannot own land (which means any "house" or "townhouse" as opposed to a condominium). He would have no claim whatsoever because of that, quite apart from the stated fact that they had been together for six years, as I dont think that Thai law recognises defacto relationships - unless it has changed recently, which it may have, but even then he still cant own it anyway.

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IF the house is in her name (which is pure speculation), and IF he paid for it (more speculation).....then IF (more speculation) she calls this relationship off (which I'd speculate is very likely), and IF he doesn't want to let her keep the house, all he has to do is go to the courts and apologise, saying sorry, I reslised something.........I think I gave the money for this purchase under false pretences. What would you advise me to do?

The court will annull the purchase while possibly (more speculation) they or someone else give him a small fine and the house will be ordered sold and he will be the beneficiary.

I'm afraid I've joined in the speculation so ubiquitous here, and I take it all back and promise I won't do it in future.

Edited November 15, 2012 by cheeryble

[noob7]

\ IF he paid for it (more speculation)

I'm afraid I've joined in the speculation so ubiquitous here, and I take it all back and promise I won't do it in future.

You don't bother, to read the op, don't you?

"During questioning, police discovered that Mr. Macos and his girlfriend had lived together for 6 years in the house, which he had bought to live with Ms. Patcharaporn"

[Jimi007]

\ IF he paid for it (more speculation)

I'm afraid I've joined in the speculation so ubiquitous here, and I take it all back and promise I won't do it in future.

You don't bother, to read the op, don't you?

"During questioning, police discovered that Mr. Macos and his girlfriend had lived together for 6 years in the house, which he had bought to live with Ms. Patcharaporn"

I always love selective quotations! Please read the rest of the article you left out in your "quotation."

"During questioning, police discovered that Mr. Macos and his girlfriend had lived together for 6 years in the house, which he had bought to live with Ms. Patcharaporn. But Mr. Macos seldom stayed in the house because he often had to travel abroad.

Meanwhile, Ms. Patcharaporn was studying for a master’s degree at Ramkhamhaeng University, where she became acquainted with the Thai lawyer. On the day of the stabbing, Mr. Macos had flown back from abroad unexpectedly without telling Ms. Patcharaporn beforehand.

When he arrived at the door of his house, he saw Ms. Patcharaporn was together with the lawyer, so they got into a violent quarrel. Then Mr. Macos used the knife to stab the lawyer until he died.

For the cause of the murder, the officers assumed that it came from jealousy. When Mr. Macos saw his girlfriend with other man, he got angry and made trouble. Initially, the police restrained Mr. Macos and charged him in an accusation of killing another person intentionally, and then brought him to the police station to do the master plan of confessing and put him into jail."

[WebBangkok]

Yes this only happens in Thailand lol

Some of the posts are mind-boggling.

[Jason1968]

In every country and race there are people that cheat on their partners. The Canadian is a Psychopath. His extreme reaction proves this.

Love to see evidence of the Thai law permitting a Thai man, in his own home, to kill another person having an affair with his wife. Sounds like nonsense to me.

And to the cynics, there are as many genuine and trust worthy Thai men and women as there are in any walk of life.

[paymaster]

Oh and to those who think we 'bash' Thais ... you're either too new here, too dense or utterly thick.

This is "Thai bashing." This is not a Thai thing anymore than it's a Canadian thing to kill the cuckolder..

It's a life thing. Internationly perpetrated.

[mochafan]

Maybe the Canadian guy thought something was up and decided on a surprise early return.

Still, no way to handle the situation by killing someone.

He should have killed the woman too.

[cheeryble]

Maybe the Canadian guy thought something was up and decided on a surprise early return.

Still, no way to handle the situation by killing someone.

He should have killed the woman too.

"He should have killed the woman too"

That's nice.......you are recommending a murder and in the cold light of day.

Out of interest why shouldn't she enjoy her life when he's not there?

Edited November 21, 2012 by cheeryble

[HereIAm]

If this story is really as it has been reported, my thoughts are with the Canadian man who must now be despondently reflecting on the way he suddenly skidded and ruined his own good life. From the victim's point of view (and I mean the Canadian's the victim), not much different from being involved in an accident and being crippled for 10 years. One mad moment and a lifetime's good work up in smoke. Irrespective of how the law treats him, he has to face his own conscience and answer his own sense of values. Sorry, fella.

Edited November 29, 2012 by HereIAm

[jcw]

To quote form the OP story at the Pattaya Daily News , quote:

"For the cause of the murder, the officers assumed that it came from jealousy. When Mr. Macos saw his girlfriend with other man, he got angry and made trouble. Initially, the police restrained Mr. Macos and charged him in an accusation of killing another person intentionally, and then brought him to the police station to do the master plan of confessing and put him into jail."

Just re-minds me about this countries police. The police assumed and then charged with murder. He made trouble what about the Thai guy penetrating his wife, you don't think for one minute he could have been making trouble, and the bit about taking him to the station for the reason of of the master plan of confessing, what is that about, beat the living sh!t out of him? This is Thai-ness eh?

[cheeryble]

To quote form the OP story at the Pattaya Daily News , quote:

"For the cause of the murder, the officers assumed that it came from jealousy. When Mr. Macos saw his girlfriend with other man, he got angry and made trouble. Initially, the police restrained Mr. Macos and charged him in an accusation of killing another person intentionally, and then brought him to the police station to do the master plan of confessing and put him into jail."

Just re-minds me about this countries police. The police assumed and then charged with murder. He made trouble what about the Thai guy penetrating his wife, you don't think for one minute he could have been making trouble, and the bit about taking him to the station for the reason of of the master plan of confessing, what is that about, beat the living sh!t out of him? This is Thai-ness eh?

Unfounded police bashing seems to be ubiquitous on this forum.

Of course they cherged him with bloody murder, do you think it looked like suicide?

And you think just because the other guy was caught in flagrante delicto the police should have told Mr Macos to be a good boy next time and let him go?

Jeez.....

Edited December 6, 2012 by cheeryble

[FarangTalk]

Unfounded police bashing seems to be ubiquitous on this forum.

"Police bashing" in Thailand is anything but unfounded.

The Thais themselves are far worse when it comes to criticising the Police than anyone on this forum.

Their reputation precedes them; murdering tourists while drunk and off duty, gangland-style killings of foreign diplomats in central Bangkok, countless botched and sabotaged investigations, torture, rape, planting evidence, wholesale and endemic corruption, the list goes on and on and on.

It's all right there, in front of your eyes.

Edited December 6, 2012 by FarangTalk

[mancub]

In every country and race there are people that cheat on their partners. The Canadian is a Psychopath. His extreme reaction proves this.

Love to see evidence of the Thai law permitting a Thai man, in his own home, to kill another person having an affair with his wife. Sounds like nonsense to me.

And to the cynics, there are as many genuine and trust worthy Thai men and women as there are in any walk of life.

But just not so many lawyers .............

[HHBM]

Has it been established whether they were, in fact, caught in flagrante delicto? The deceased appears to be fully clothed. Confession aside, arguing that he came home to find a strange man attacking his wife would have a much better ring to it (and allow her to save some trace of face and honour), although the fifty wounds would be another matter to explain.

[snake24]

I tot farangs always thought the thai girls loved them deeply.