Rimmer Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Pattaya beginning to earn bad reputation with Russian tourists PATTAYA:--Russian Federation Consul Andrey Dvornikov told police and city officials that, due to increasing crime against tourists, Pattaya is gaining a growing reputation back home for being unsafe. At a Nov. 19 meeting between Thai and Russian officials and tour operators, the embassy counselor cited the increasing frequency of gold and handbag snatches and hotel burglaries, saying crimes are being reported in Russia with many travelers forming negative impressions of safety in Pattaya. Dvornikov blamed the increase in crime to the termination of joint Pattaya Police-Royal Thai Navy patrols earlier this decade. Ended due to budget constraints, the Military-Police Cooperative Patrol Project was supposed to be restarted in May 2009 following a mandate from then-Gov. Senee Jittakasem. But despite calling the program “essential” for tourism, the plan was sent to a committee for study, never to reemerge. The Russian consul also was critical of Thai officials for the common practice of hotels taking tourists passports. He said passports were property of the Russian government and that Thai officials showed “negligence” in instructing hotels to demand and hold them. Full story:http://www.pattayamail.com/localnews/pattaya-beginning-to-earn-bad-reputation-with-russian-tourists-18715 [pattayamail][/pattayamail] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jbrain Posted November 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2012 Finally one who dares to show his teeth.When the other brown nosed Embassies gone follow his example? 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoadRunner Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Surprise Surprise........who didn't see that coming......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TommoPhysicist Posted November 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2012 Andrey also doesn't like dual pricing in hospitals and the jet ski scams. Well done Andrey. (Can we have him for British Consul too) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisswe Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Investigate from where the crime comming , in many opinions the crime comming from the Russia Maffia and Russia money laundering here in Pattaya. A good income to City Hall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Doesn't take long does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chowny77 Posted November 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2012 Glad to see some balls from a foreign nation trying to protect its nationals. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ohyesuare Posted November 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2012 I think vice versa as well, and many Thais can't tell the difference between Russians and other foreigners so we all suffer from their bad behavior. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angsta Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Taking peoples passports? I am sorry but this bit I don't understand? When did this become routine in Pattaya? That is just wrong. The Embassy official is bang on. Nice to see a Country grow a pair and man up. Who is next? Australia maybe, one of the Scandnavian's?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimSiam Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 There is a bit of the scam the insurance company and get a free holiday going on too from the ones who claim their gold was stolen, but never had any in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eff1n2ret Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Taking peoples passports? I am sorry but this bit I don't understand? When did this become routine in Pattaya? I wonder if it's because many may be on package tours. They come in on charter jet, get transferred to the hotel and the rep hands the passports to the hotel - don't know, just wondering. Early this year on an open day at U Tapao airport I saw 3 or 4 planes on the apron in red livery sporting the name 'Nordwind' which is a Russian charter company. If there are that number parked up at any one time I would guess that a large number of the Russians in Pattaya have come in through there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted November 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2012 Most of the Russian tourists are "naive" tourists; often the first trip abroad. I am not surprised the truth about the problems in Pattaya are getting out and I reckon over time many of those target naive tourists will be moving on to beach destinations with better security, perhaps Vietnam? A great opportunity for competitors. The other day I was wondering what countries are set to replace the naive waves from Russia. Of course Chinese will come but so far mostly a bus tour scene for them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercool Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) I see this as paying lip-service to his countrymen just as any response is paying lip-service to fellow officials. Nothing new here. Not sure either party has really studied the issues related to numbers of Russian residents and tourists and the antics they get up to as well as their potential vulnerability. Edited November 30, 2012 by petercool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 WoW, it must be bad down there for the drunken tourists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted November 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) It may be lip service but who wants to take their families to a place with super high crime? The reputation, lets face it, is DESERVED and Pattaya had best get its act together. But they probably won't, there has always been a new vein of naive golden tourists who replace the lost ones. So far. Edited November 30, 2012 by Jingthing 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGImInPattaya Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Taking peoples passports? I am sorry but this bit I don't understand? When did this become routine in Pattaya? I wonder if it's because many may be on package tours. They come in on charter jet, get transferred to the hotel and the rep hands the passports to the hotel - don't know, just wondering. Early this year on an open day at U Tapao airport I saw 3 or 4 planes on the apron in red livery sporting the name 'Nordwind' which is a Russian charter company. If there are that number parked up at any one time I would guess that a large number of the Russians in Pattaya have come in through there. Maybe as many are on group tours or have a reputation for skipping out in bills, they can't check out without getting their passports before settling their bill. There have been a couple of cases of group tour companies going g broke and leaving the local hotel high and dry. As to general practice of keepi g a guest's passport, its never happened to me anywhere in the world, including Thailand...maybe a benefit of a Western passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacknorman Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) Beginning Is That a JOKE I thougt it was the other way around Edited November 30, 2012 by jacknorman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercool Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Everything is relative. London has more muggings and car thefts. LA has more murders. Sydney has more assaults. Manila has more drug addicts. Moscow has more drunks. Yes, they are all larger than Pattaya but per capita statistics would be interesting to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydebolle Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Screw the Russian business segment too; then do the same with the mainland Chinese and Southasian visitors = NO BUSINESS ANYMORE. Somehow nobody in this town realized, that Thais have changed the wealthy and money-spending Western European against the present rubberneck tourist groups. The six-star Royal Cliff Beach, an icon on the Southeast Asian map in line with the Raffles Singapore, Railway Hotel Hua Hin, the Strand in Rangoon and the Oriental in Bangkok ........ downgraded itself to a cheap sleep bunker; the revenues must be considerably lower than ten years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songhua Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Are the Russian tourists being advised that they may be hit over the head with a bottle by other Russians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Are the Russian tourists being advised that they may be hit over the head with a bottle by other Russians? Or SAS trained. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davejones Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 How can Thai authorities instruct hotels to keep passports if it's a legal requirement for foreigners to carry them at all times. Is this actually true, or has it been mis-reported. If it's true, can the tourists be fined for not having their passports on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGImInPattaya Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Screw the Russian business segment too; then do the same with the mainland Chinese and Southasian visitors = NO BUSINESS ANYMORE. Somehow nobody in this town realized, that Thais have changed the wealthy and money-spending Western European against the present rubberneck tourist groups. The six-star Royal Cliff Beach, an icon on the Southeast Asian map in line with the Raffles Singapore, Railway Hotel Hua Hin, the Strand in Rangoon and the Oriental in Bangkok ........ downgraded itself to a cheap sleep bunker; the revenues must be considerably lower than ten years ago. A number of us recognized that Pattaya was being transformed in to a package tourist destination, but we were not taken seriously. I moved to North Naklua-fore warned is fore armed. That's moving out to the hinterlands :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payboy Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Time to print Chinese menus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spalpeen Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Good work by the Russian Consul. Setting an example to all the other worthless ambassadors and consuls who should be doing the same for their people. I don't rate his chances of ever getting Thais to learn Russian though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Russians complaining about crime in pattaya !!thats a good one!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Langsuan Man Posted December 1, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2012 Chickens coming home to roost is my take on this And it will only get worse since these new Russian tourists refuse to accept how things are done here. You must be demanding and bellicose to get anything in the Russian Federation and that does not translate well here in Thailand The Russian authorities would be better off launching an advertising campaign to educate the tourists instead of thinking that the Thais are going to do it for them 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somtampet Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 So how many russians are complaining, 1000,s , 100,s 10,s????? Pattaya IS safer than many parts of the world,and a dam_n sight safer than many towns/cities in the uk,who would want an holiday in Glasgow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGImInPattaya Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 So how many russians are complaining, 1000,s , 100,s 10,s????? Pattaya IS safer than many parts of the world,and a dam_n sight safer than many towns/cities in the uk,who would want an holiday in Glasgow All my friends Stateside have had their cars broken into multiple times...owned two cars for over 10 years in Pattaya and narry a problem. Same for all my friends. Also, have never felt unsafe at any time or place in 15 years of living in Thailand. Thailand has problems, but IMHO, random violent crime (ala Brazil) is not one of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatballs Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Unlike some nationalities, most western farang already know about Pattaya's notorious reputation. We don't walk with our kids down Soi 6 or take our fully veiled Muslim wives to Walking Street(yes, I've seen it!) . They should research their choice of destinations beforehand. Is there a Google in Russia? Guess not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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