Americans Fight For Right To Bear Arms - At Work

[impulse]

I don't have a comment on guns in glove boxes at work.

What seems to be getting lost in all the noise about guns is the fact that an employer has the right to search my private vehicle as a condition of employment.

If it's legal to possess, in my glove box, and never sees the light of day while I'm at work, it's none of their fricking business what's in my car.

Whether they find a gun or the bottle of wine I'm bringing to a dinner after work, if I don't touch it during work, they shouldn't have anything to say about what's locked up in my vehicle.

They can already make you pee in a cup on a whim, and fire you for what you post online- even if it's not related to their business.

What comes next?

[Jingthing]

The guns in the glove boxes will find their way into the workplaces. The next time there is a mass shooting at a workplace, the right wing "painstream" media will say this is a bad time to talk about gun control, show some respect for the dead. Then later, nobody will talk about it. American culture is diseased in this way.

Edited December 13, 2012 by Jingthing

[TommoPhysicist]

The guns in the glove boxes will find their way into the workplaces. The next time there is a mass shooting at a workplace, the right wing "painstream" media will say this is a bad time to talk about gun control, show some respect for the dead. Then later, nobody will talk about it. American culture is diseased in this way.

American culture is diseased in many ways.

[Credo]

I don't have a comment on guns in glove boxes at work.

What seems to be getting lost in all the noise about guns is the fact that an employer has the right to search my private vehicle as a condition of employment.

If it's legal to possess, in my glove box, and never sees the light of day while I'm at work, it's none of their fricking business what's in my car.

Whether they find a gun or the bottle of wine I'm bringing to a dinner after work, if I don't touch it during work, they shouldn't have anything to say about what's locked up in my vehicle.

They can already make you pee in a cup on a whim, and fire you for what you post online- even if it's not related to their business.

What comes next?

Nobody makes you pee in a cup. Your free to not work for the company. Your also free to NOT park on the premises of the company and then they can't search your car.

What next--they probably won't let you smoke at work. Maybe not drink either.

Edited December 13, 2012 by Credo

[Jingthing]

The guns in the glove boxes will find their way into the workplaces. The next time there is a mass shooting at a workplace, the right wing "painstream" media will say this is a bad time to talk about gun control, show some respect for the dead. Then later, nobody will talk about it. American culture is diseased in this way.

American culture is diseased in many ways.

Like all other cultures, I reckon. Every culture has it's own pros and cons.

[beechguy]

The guns in the glove boxes will find their way into the workplaces. The next time there is a mass shooting at a workplace, the right wing "painstream" media will say this is a bad time to talk about gun control, show some respect for the dead. Then later, nobody will talk about it. American culture is diseased in this way.

And do you really think a rule or law like that is going to deter a disgruntled/disturbed employee from bringing his weapon from home?

I don't think this is about safety, more likely about liability issues for insurance companies.

Edited December 13, 2012 by beechguy

[zaphodbeeblebrox]

That should go a long way toward solving labor disputes between management and workers.

It will cut down on those nasty legal battles.

dam_n! I have to find a new career.

[impulse]

Nobody makes you pee in a cup. Your free to not work for the company. Your also free to NOT park on the premises of the company and then they can't search your car.

Yeah, and I'm free not to fly on airplanes if I don't want my junk x-rayed, and I'm free to stay at home if I don't want to tell the nice immigrations guy the purpose of my trip to Thailand.

Question is, how far down the slippery slope will we go before saying it's enough.

What's next? We'll search your pockets looking for meds your doctor has prescribed that may indicate you're an insurance risk. We'll be asking you to give us a waiver so your doctor can send your medical records direct to us so we can fire you just before you need the insurance... We'll be taking DNA samples to make sure you have no markers for expensive. long term diseases. Got diabetes, cancer, MS, or any of the indicators? You're fired.

Your kid having trouble at school? That will probably distract you from your job. Bye Bye.

Got a mistress? Getting a divorce? So long, that can't be good for the company.

[mania]

Suzanna Gratia-Hupp

[lucjoker]

everybody should be allowed to carry a gun anywhere anytime.

much safer......would you steel from an armed person ?

Would u pull a gun in public ?

Gangsters,pimps,frauds.......would not last that long.

Racism will disappaer instandly.

A lot of agression would end much sooner.

Or am i wrong?

[johnnynmonic]

Correct me if I'm wrong here but if a guy is ok with breaking "big" rules like shooting his fellow man, I don't think a "no guns allowed in the parking lot" rule is really going to be much deterrent.

[Credo]

Nobody makes you pee in a cup. Your free to not work for the company. Your also free to NOT park on the premises of the company and then they can't search your car.

Yeah, and I'm free not to fly on airplanes if I don't want my junk x-rayed, and I'm free to stay at home if I don't want to tell the nice immigrations guy the purpose of my trip to Thailand.

Question is, how far down the slippery slope will we go before saying it's enough.

What's next? We'll search your pockets looking for meds your doctor has prescribed that may indicate you're an insurance risk. We'll be asking you to give us a waiver so your doctor can send your medical records direct to us so we can fire you just before you need the insurance... We'll be taking DNA samples to make sure you have no markers for expensive. long term diseases. Got diabetes, cancer, MS, or any of the indicators? You're fired.

Your kid having trouble at school? That will probably distract you from your job. Bye Bye.

Got a mistress? Getting a divorce? So long, that can't be good for the company.

Most of the stuff your talking about can be found out by checking your facebook page--or your wife's, or your brother's or sister's.

I am afraid we are pretty near the bottom of that slippery slope and most of us went willingly down the path.

[maxman71]

Imagine if they raised taxes a smidgen.

They could afford to pay more police and provide better teachers in schools so kids didn't end up in cycles or poverty and crime.

This is outsourcing of law enforcement pure and simple. Yep, but the Republicans would outsource their mother if they could.

If they are being consistent with their philisophy, they should downsize the military too.

Hmmm...I've read stats that show entitlement spending in the US, such as various welfare programs, have grown an average of 8.3% per year since such entitlement programs were enacted into law in the 1960's. The US economy as measured by GDP has not grown anywhere near 8.3% per year over the same time frame; neither has inflation or the population. So that means welfare and other entitlement spending has increased substantially in real terms. Yet the poverty rate continues to climb.

Once cause behind the decrepit state of affairs in the US is procreation. I have lived under the same roof with someone who had three kids from two different fathers, neither of whom paid anything towards their support. And the mother was brain-dead when it came to understanding and enforcing basic rules that would have better enabled her children to adopt behaviors that would enable them to become responsible, productive and successful individuals. Further, this woman had a sister who had four kids from FOUR different fathers; one of her kids had a kid when she was 18; the same year the mother had her 4th kid. Both of these mothers were quite adept at searching for and exploiting every guvmint program they could find.

"Better teachers in schools..." yeah, getting a lousy unionized teacher fired in a public school takes YEARS, if it happens at all.

This is the sort of nonsense that goes on in the US.

In reference to allowing guns brought to work, that is nothing short of crazy. I support private gun ownership with some common sense restrictions. That being said, I have never owned a gun.

The Repubs have done a great job at shooting themselves in both feet. But if you think the Dems have it right, I have some pre-owned pet rocks to sell you at a steep premium.

Call me a dedicated Libertarian.

[markt7081]

Waste of money

Buy a penis extension, but leave it in the car

[Sing_Sling]

They are pushing the self defense apect of this, but there are a lot of hunters in those states and it can be convenient to carry equipment to hunt before or after work.

Funniest thing I've heard on a while, thank you

Why? I worked at an Army National Guard Airfield, that allowed hunting on the property, someone had a deer stand, if you know what that is, setup about 150 yards from my hangar. Plenty of people hunted and fished on the way to work, or on the way home.

Again, so far as safety, do people really think a law is going to stop someone from carrying a weapon in and shooting

their co-worker or supervisor?

Ok, so a concealed weapon is bound to be . . . a pistol of sorts. Do you go hunting with a pistol?

Do you know what the percentage of urban vs rural is in the US?

Sorry, but the argument about hunting with pistols doesn't cut it - it is a straw man argument

everybody should be allowed to carry a gun anywhere anytime.

much safer......would you steel from an armed person ?

Would u pull a gun in public ?

Gangsters,pimps,frauds.......would not last that long.

Racism will disappaer instandly.

A lot of agression would end much sooner.

Or am i wrong?

Yes, you are wrong

Edited December 13, 2012 by Sing_Sling

[wade72]

everybody should be allowed to carry a gun anywhere anytime.

much safer......would you steel from an armed person ?

Would u pull a gun in public ?

Gangsters,pimps,frauds.......would not last that long.

Racism will disappaer instandly.

A lot of agression would end much sooner.

Or am i wrong?

You are accurate on one point.

"A lot of agression would end much sooner."

at about 1,150 ft per second

[samran]

What comes next?

Sanity....

[beechguy]

Sing_Sling, I didn't see anything restricting the topic to concealed weapons, as in handguns. But,as a matter of fact, plenty of people do carry handguns hunting and target shooting. So far as knowing how much rural area there is verus urban, I wouldn't know percentage wise, just there isn't any shortage of places to shoot in the central and western U.S. If you think I'm making a strawman argument, I would say that's more of a reflection of your ignorance on hunting and sport shooting.

Edited December 13, 2012 by beechguy

[writeshack]

I suspect many posters here would be shocked if they knew just how many Thais they work with have guns in their cars, maybe a gun in their bag or in their drawer at work. I know for a fact several of the people I worked with do this.

[quiuvo]

This is a serious issue for any nation. Some countries banned all gun possession (yet, we know people have them). Some allow it. Some get stuck in the middle. Let every country decide what law will prevail.

[unanimosity]

The guns in the glove boxes will find their way into the workplaces. The next time there is a mass shooting at a workplace, the right wing "painstream" media will say this is a bad time to talk about gun control, show some respect for the dead. Then later, nobody will talk about it. American culture is diseased in this way.

And do you really think a rule or law like that is going to deter a disgruntled/disturbed employee from bringing his weapon from home?

I don't think this is about safety, more likely about liability issues for insurance companies.

And if a registered CCW gun owner is prohibited from having his legal firearm at work and suffers serious injury or death from not being able to protect himself, what kind of lawsuit might that evoke? All such a regulation does is insure that a disgruntled employee will meet no resistance in carrying out his carnage because when you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. Even if it is insurance premium related, it is more likely companies (insurance and otherwise) wagging their tails and licking Obama's boots for the next stimulus handout.

[beechguy]

The guns in the glove boxes will find their way into the workplaces. The next time there is a mass shooting at a workplace, the right wing "painstream" media will say this is a bad time to talk about gun control, show some respect for the dead. Then later, nobody will talk about it. American culture is diseased in this way.

And do you really think a rule or law like that is going to deter a disgruntled/disturbed employee from bringing his weapon from home?

I don't think this is about safety, more likely about liability issues for insurance companies.

And if a registered CCW gun owner is prohibited from having his legal firearm at work and suffers serious injury or death from not being able to protect himself, what kind of lawsuit might that evoke? All such a regulation does is insure that a disgruntled employee will meet no resistance in carrying out his carnage because when you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. Even if it is insurance premium related, it is more likely companies (insurance and otherwise) wagging their tails and licking Obama's boots for the next stimulus handout.

Well I suppose the good news will be Obamacare will take care of you if you survive.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts removed. In case some posters had noticed, the US Presidential election is over.

Stay on-topic.

[Publicus]

Republican-dominated legislatures in at least four US states are planning to consider allowing employees to bring guns to work, turning two of the party’s traditional constituencies against each other: gun-rights supporters and businesses.

I just luv it when Republicans in the U.S. form a circular firing squad of themselves and of a couple of their rapidly dwindling constituencies. .

And yes, the Democratic Party has many solutions to the problems of guns in the United States, but as long as the NRA remains strong and well funded - and with Republicans in majority control of the U.S. House of Representatives - we won't see any more Democratic Party passed gun measures such as the one we got while Bill Clinton was prez - a ban on the sale, purchase, ownership, possession of military assault weapons.

I like the Brit on CNN each morning (Thai time) Piers Morgan, who is just so astounded and astonished by the number of guns in the U.S. that he makes it a regular feature of his daily program. Not every day, but he's the only guy on TV in the U.S. regularly and consistently talking about gun control in the U.S. I own a handgun in the United States and I strongly advocate new laws that govern the purchase of guns at gun shows. It's already tough to buy a guy at a gun shop in town, but there aren't any restrictions on buying a firearm at a gun show, which is of course where the so many of crazies go to get their guns.

[richard10365]

I'm from the United States, but this is not the country that I remember. Maybe it never was. Maybe the United States is a fantasy created by people who live there to justify their moral sense of self worth and their place in the world. I wonder if a people can see them doom coming. Too bad they are creating it themselves.

[Tanaka]

Imagine a whole nation whose inhabitants are scared of their own shadows. Who scared them to that extend? Their church? Their politicians? Their parents? Their mirrors? Pathetic really.

[KuhnPaen]

There are some really dumb Yanks out there !

We shall see when the zombie apocalypse happens.

Edited December 13, 2012 by KuhnPaen

[Baloo22]

It has been shown again and again that the so-called "Gun Free" zones are anything but. Just like at Virginia Tech, they simply allow the criminal an helpless field of defenseless victims. I am very grateful for the outstanding work of the National Rifle Association in their defense of the Second Amendment of our Bill of Rights.

P.S If the smarmy and clueless Piers Morgan doesn't like the way we do things in the U.S.A., he can go to the nearest airport and leave my country. And "Hey, Piers. Don't let the door hit you in your dumb "arse"!"

[koheesti]

Hardly wait for the replies to this.

They are pushing the self defense apect of this, but there are a lot of hunters in those states and it can be convenient to carry equipment to hunt before or after work.

Funniest thing I've heard on a while, thank you

Not that funny at all or strange. I worked in a small factory in a small town in Georgia, USA and some of the workers were big time hunters. Even had a woman come interview for a secretary job and all she could talk about was getting back to her deer stand.

[koheesti]

The guns in the glove boxes will find their way into the workplaces. The next time there is a mass shooting at a workplace, the right wing "painstream" media will say this is a bad time to talk about gun control, show some respect for the dead.

The next time there is a mass shooting at the workplace, one of two things will happen;

1) there will be a high body count because the person who went crazy decided to ignore any rule/law, and shot everyone he wanted and there was nothing anyone could do about it until the police arrived.

2) The shooting would be over quickly because another employee got his own gun out of his vehicle and shot the crazy person long before police arrived on the scene.

I'd rather work at a place like situation #2, and no, I would not want to live in a country where the gov't decided that private citizens can not own guns at all because laws won't stop the crazy and criminals.

btw - If gun laws could actually reduce gun crime, why is it gun crime is highest where gun laws are the most most strict (Chicago, Washington DC)?