Every leader relies on support at all levels, and clearly the path Yingluck has travelled has erred on the side of caution, prompted by experience garnered from those who travelled a similar path previously, she has come through her first year well.

Gerry Anderson created more realistic puppets...... and the lip-sync was better.

"Yes milady milord !"

The purpose of a PM/President is 99% presentation and 1% implementation - get with the programme guys

That may be what Thaksin intends for his sister, but certainly would not intend for himself.

The purpose of a PM/President is 99% presentation and 1% implementation - get with the programme guys

I agree that in general the role of leader is much more about presentation than implementation, but i would put it in percentage terms as more like 90% / 10%, in the case of leaders with the strongest wills and the boldest visions, and of course a healthy parliamentary majority with which to get stuff done, and 95% / 5%, in the case of leaders less strong willed, less ideologically driven or perhaps just those leaders having to juggle keeping happy various factions within a coalition.

Yingluck has a pretty strong control of the house with which to implement policy, potentially anyway. But she lacks any will or vision. I don't believe she ever dreamt of working in politics, much less being PM. The job was foisted upon her. She tried dodging it, but in the end, her brother decided she was the one he wanted, and having enjoyed the benefits of said brother's business success, with positions right at the top of his organisations, positions, like President of AIS that she would of have never in a million years been offered if not for her surname, she had little choice but to accept. Her discomfort is plain for all to see - well it is when she actually appears. Most of the time, barring basic photo ops, she doesn't. She has spent the whole year basically organising her schedule in such a way that whenever anything remotely controversial arises, she is as far away as can be. 1% implementation in her case, might actually be generous. She is the very personification of style over substance. A cardboard cut-out could have been more influential. The only people who have been impressed by her leadership are those either of the party faithful, or those who seem to set the bar for a woman's capabilities so incredibly low, that she could have got over it by lying flat on the ground.

The purpose of a PM/President is 99% presentation and 1% implementation - get with the programme guys

I agree that in general the role of leader is much more about presentation than implementation, but i would put it in percentage terms as more like 90% / 10%, in the case of leaders with the strongest wills and the boldest visions, and of course a healthy parliamentary majority with which to get stuff done, and 95% / 5%, in the case of leaders less strong willed, less ideologically driven or perhaps just those leaders having to juggle keeping happy various factions within a coalition.

Yingluck has a pretty strong control of the house with which to implement policy, potentially anyway. But she lacks any will or vision. I don't believe she ever dreamt of working in politics, much less being PM. The job was foisted upon her. She tried dodging it, but in the end, her brother decided she was the one he wanted, and having enjoyed the benefits of said brother's business success, with positions right at the top of his organisations, positions, like President of AIS that she would of have never in a million years been offered if not for her surname, she had little choice but to accept. Her discomfort is plain for all to see - well it is when she actually appears. Most of the time, barring basic photo ops, she doesn't. She has spent the whole year basically organising her schedule in such a way that whenever anything remotely controversial arises, she is as far away as can be. 1% implementation in her case, might actually be generous. She is the very personification of style over substance. A cardboard cut-out could have been more influential. The only people who have been impressed by her leadership are those either of the party faithful, or those who seem to set the bar for a woman's capabilities so incredibly low, that she could have got over it by lying flat on the ground.

Ok so you wish to manipulate the numbers a little to suit your purpose, your explanation would suggest in her first year as a novice in politics Yingluck has achieved a minimum of 90% in her Premiership, well done Yingluck, only another 10% for a perfect score

Great work by Yingluck, to survive the first year was important for PTP and Thailand, she has managed to tread the difficult path of keeping the red shirt faction subdued, bringing the military onside, providing limited opportunities for the 'opposition' parties to gain any additional credibility with the voters, her insistance she will not get involved in the childish verbal mud slinging so well utilised by the opposition has surely added to her attraction.

More importantly Yingluck has remained popular and carries a broad base of support, perhaps not exactly based on her first year achievements, but her attempts to follow a path her supporters and the electorate agree on.

Great piece of political spin. The year was important for PTP - not Thailand. Her heavies, reporting to Thaksin, have managed to put another nail in the 'reconciliation' coffin by a witch-hunt of the opposition leader. Nothing to do with credibility.

Agreed, she has managed to avoid much of the mud-slinging. That has been left to the likes of mud-slinger-in-chief Chalerm. Yes too, she has remained popular but that wouldn't be hard with the quality of most of the other politicians currently in power.

It was important for Thailand to avoid having the main airport occupied, an army coup or 90 people shot dead on the streets of Bangkok.

Relative peace reigns, in Thailand that gets marked up as a successful year.

The purpose of a PM/President is 99% presentation and 1% implementation - get with the programme guys

I agree that in general the role of leader is much more about presentation than implementation, but i would put it in percentage terms as more like 90% / 10%, in the case of leaders with the strongest wills and the boldest visions, and of course a healthy parliamentary majority with which to get stuff done, and 95% / 5%, in the case of leaders less strong willed, less ideologically driven or perhaps just those leaders having to juggle keeping happy various factions within a coalition.

Yingluck has a pretty strong control of the house with which to implement policy, potentially anyway. But she lacks any will or vision. I don't believe she ever dreamt of working in politics, much less being PM. The job was foisted upon her. She tried dodging it, but in the end, her brother decided she was the one he wanted, and having enjoyed the benefits of said brother's business success, with positions right at the top of his organisations, positions, like President of AIS that she would of have never in a million years been offered if not for her surname, she had little choice but to accept. Her discomfort is plain for all to see - well it is when she actually appears. Most of the time, barring basic photo ops, she doesn't. She has spent the whole year basically organising her schedule in such a way that whenever anything remotely controversial arises, she is as far away as can be. 1% implementation in her case, might actually be generous. She is the very personification of style over substance. A cardboard cut-out could have been more influential. The only people who have been impressed by her leadership are those either of the party faithful, or those who seem to set the bar for a woman's capabilities so incredibly low, that she could have got over it by lying flat on the ground.

Ok so you wish to manipulate the numbers a little to suit your purpose, your explanation would suggest in her first year as a novice in politics Yingluck has achieved a minimum of 90% in her Premiership, well done Yingluck, only another 10% for a perfect score

Trollish, baiting and the like.

No figure manipulation. 99%, 90% was on 'presentation', not on 'achieving' anything.

The purpose of a PM/President is 99% presentation and 1% implementation - get with the programme guys

I agree that in general the role of leader is much more about presentation than implementation, but i would put it in percentage terms as more like 90% / 10%, in the case of leaders with the strongest wills and the boldest visions, and of course a healthy parliamentary majority with which to get stuff done, and 95% / 5%, in the case of leaders less strong willed, less ideologically driven or perhaps just those leaders having to juggle keeping happy various factions within a coalition.

Yingluck has a pretty strong control of the house with which to implement policy, potentially anyway. But she lacks any will or vision. I don't believe she ever dreamt of working in politics, much less being PM. The job was foisted upon her. She tried dodging it, but in the end, her brother decided she was the one he wanted, and having enjoyed the benefits of said brother's business success, with positions right at the top of his organisations, positions, like President of AIS that she would of have never in a million years been offered if not for her surname, she had little choice but to accept. Her discomfort is plain for all to see - well it is when she actually appears. Most of the time, barring basic photo ops, she doesn't. She has spent the whole year basically organising her schedule in such a way that whenever anything remotely controversial arises, she is as far away as can be. 1% implementation in her case, might actually be generous. She is the very personification of style over substance. A cardboard cut-out could have been more influential. The only people who have been impressed by her leadership are those either of the party faithful, or those who seem to set the bar for a woman's capabilities so incredibly low, that she could have got over it by lying flat on the ground.

Ok so you wish to manipulate the numbers a little to suit your purpose, your explanation would suggest in her first year as a novice in politics Yingluck has achieved a minimum of 90% in her Premiership, well done Yingluck, only another 10% for a perfect score

Trollish, baiting and the like.

No figure manipulation. 99%, 90% was on 'presentation', not on 'achieving' anything.

But I am agreeing that 90% of the job is 'presentation' and Yingluck is frequently accused of presenting (Perhaps the views of her brother, or her own, perhaps others) either way people have remarked on this achievement many times.......now posters are to deny it?

Edited January 5, 201313 yr by 473geo

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The sad thing is, the cartoon above accurately depicts the chauvinistic sort of attitude that many of the people who praise her,have towards her. Any male politician leader who spent the year smiling nicely and leaving virtually every responsibility of importance to other people, would be roundly castigated as being weak and useless. But because she is a woman, some people feel this means she needs to be given special treatment, to not be judged by the same standards as a male leader would, to effectively be treated like a little kid or a puppy dog, given special dispensation, and rewarded with plenty of head pats for successfully undertaking the most basic of tasks.

It may come as a shock to some men here, but woman are actually perfectly capable of possessing all the same leadership qualities present in some men. Women don't need to be treated differently or judged by completely different standards. Doing so is both sexist and patronising to all women.

There's space in the political lexicon for the unassuming. Too many people think politicians are only successful when they have a grand plan or macho. The best politicians get on with managing and staying out of people's lives. These people can be remarkably effective.

British Prime Minister was written off as being a grey non descript man......and yet he brought the IRA to the table and put in motion the end of the Troubles.

If Yingluck can get to the end of her term with the country being stable, that would be a triumph. Doing nothing can be marvellous strategy you know.

It was important for Thailand to avoid having the main airport occupied, an army coup or 90 people shot dead on the streets of Bangkok.

Relative peace reigns, in Thailand that gets marked up as a successful year.

Since Thaksin was ousted, he has had his finger over the anarchy on the streets button, and he simply presses it when things aren't going his way, like when his money is being frozen or when his family isn't in power, and then when things are going well for him, he takes his finger off.

A success of sorts i guess...

It was important for Thailand to avoid having the main airport occupied, an army coup or 90 people shot dead on the streets of Bangkok.

Relative peace reigns, in Thailand that gets marked up as a successful year.

Since Thaksin was ousted, he has had his finger over the anarchy on the streets button, and he simply presses it when things aren't going his way, like when his money is being frozen or when his family isn't in power, and then when things are going well for him, he takes his finger off.

A success of sorts i guess...

Indeed a sign of improvement by the Yingluck team regarding controlling protests recently, encouraging for Thailand, let us hope they improve further when the inevitable 'pressing of the button' takes place in the sore losers camp......

You are correct on one part Rubl, the meetings are frequent, where Yingluck delivers a presentation of policy to be implemented by the recipients, as for demeaning I would say the same 99/1% goes for every top leader in the world, so my comment is rather a compliment I think.......... Thai at Heart did you read the first page? notice a little picture or two, in fact I think 10 in all, surrounding Yingluck!! Every leader relies on support at all levels, and clearly the path Yingluck has travelled has erred on the side of caution, prompted by experience garnered from those who travelled a similar path previously, she has come through her first year well.

Well, i think we will give her credit where credit us due, but policy formulation probably isn't one of her fortes neither is it most of the other guys around her. That's the way it is...

It was important for Thailand to avoid having the main airport occupied, an army coup or 90 people shot dead on the streets of Bangkok.

Relative peace reigns, in Thailand that gets marked up as a successful year.

Since Thaksin was ousted, he has had his finger over the anarchy on the streets button, and he simply presses it when things aren't going his way, like when his money is being frozen or when his family isn't in power, and then when things are going well for him, he takes his finger off.

A success of sorts i guess...

As though the pad never happened.

It was important for Thailand to avoid having the main airport occupied, an army coup or 90 people shot dead on the streets of Bangkok.

Relative peace reigns, in Thailand that gets marked up as a successful year.

Since Thaksin was ousted, he has had his finger over the anarchy on the streets button, and he simply presses it when things aren't going his way, like when his money is being frozen or when his family isn't in power, and then when things are going well for him, he takes his finger off.

A success of sorts i guess...

As though the pad never happened.

If Taksin had never existed, none of this would have happened, including the creation of the Pad, and it would have saved several thousand lives, plus 91.

You are correct on one part Rubl, the meetings are frequent, where Yingluck delivers a presentation of policy to be implemented by the recipients, as for demeaning I would say the same 99/1% goes for every top leader in the world, so my comment is rather a compliment I think.......... Thai at Heart did you read the first page? notice a little picture or two, in fact I think 10 in all, surrounding Yingluck!! Every leader relies on support at all levels, and clearly the path Yingluck has travelled has erred on the side of caution, prompted by experience garnered from those who travelled a similar path previously, she has come through her first year well.

What you describe is a dictatorship. In a democracy, representatives of the people discuss and then decide policy and ways to implement it.

The 99/1 is also applicable to Thailand currently only. Real PMs formulate policy with their ministers (as opposed to receiving orders from criminals) then take them to parliament for presentation and argument over pros and cons with the opposition. I know of no other PM of a democracy that spends less time in parliament or with a lower voting record. Her instantaneous rise seems to lead her to forget that first she is a Member of Parliament.

Edited January 5, 201313 yr by OzMick

You are correct on one part Rubl, the meetings are frequent, where Yingluck delivers a presentation of policy to be implemented by the recipients, as for demeaning I would say the same 99/1% goes for every top leader in the world, so my comment is rather a compliment I think.......... Thai at Heart did you read the first page? notice a little picture or two, in fact I think 10 in all, surrounding Yingluck!! Every leader relies on support at all levels, and clearly the path Yingluck has travelled has erred on the side of caution, prompted by experience garnered from those who travelled a similar path previously, she has come through her first year well.

What you describe is a dictatorship. In a democracy, representatives of the people discuss policy and ways to implement it.

The 99/1 is also applicable to Thailand currently only. Real PMs formulate policy with their ministers (as opposed to receiving orders from criminals) then take them to parliament for presentation and argument over pros and cons with the opposition. I know of no other PM of a democracy that spends less time in parliament or with a lower voting record. Her instantaneous rise seems to lead her to forget that first she is a Member of Parliament.

The world is not perfect Mick, and you thinking it follows some automated a 'real PM is in charge scenario' will not help the understanding of those who wish to accept reality. Were you worried about the 'fiscal cliff in the USA Mick, do you think Obama saved the electorate because he was the 'real man' in charge? I wasn't worried Mick, the fiscal cliff could not be allowed and would not be allowed by either party, so what was all the bluster Mick, Obama a strong real leader.....nah just the usual political hogwash..an attempt to appease the econmists......how much money do you think they'll print next time Mick

Edited January 5, 201313 yr by 473geo

You are correct on one part Rubl, the meetings are frequent, where Yingluck delivers a presentation of policy to be implemented by the recipients, as for demeaning I would say the same 99/1% goes for every top leader in the world, so my comment is rather a compliment I think.......... Thai at Heart did you read the first page? notice a little picture or two, in fact I think 10 in all, surrounding Yingluck!! Every leader relies on support at all levels, and clearly the path Yingluck has travelled has erred on the side of caution, prompted by experience garnered from those who travelled a similar path previously, she has come through her first year well.

What you describe is a dictatorship. In a democracy, representatives of the people discuss policy and ways to implement it.

The 99/1 is also applicable to Thailand currently only. Real PMs formulate policy with their ministers (as opposed to receiving orders from criminals) then take them to parliament for presentation and argument over pros and cons with the opposition. I know of no other PM of a democracy that spends less time in parliament or with a lower voting record. Her instantaneous rise seems to lead her to forget that first she is a Member of Parliament.

The world is not perfect Mick, and you thinking it follows some automated a 'real PM is in charge scenario' will not help the understanding of those who wish to accept reality. Were you worried about the 'fiscal cliff in the USA Mick, do you think Obama saved the electorate because he was the 'real man' in charge? I wasn't worried Mick, the fiscal cliff could not be allowed and would not be allowed by either party, so what was all the bluster Mick, Obama a strong real leader.....nah just the usual political hogwash..

473 -are you trying to change the subject? Do you know the difference in roles between a US president and a Westminster system PM?

It was important for Thailand to avoid having the main airport occupied, an army coup or 90 people shot dead on the streets of Bangkok.

Relative peace reigns, in Thailand that gets marked up as a successful year.

Since Thaksin was ousted, he has had his finger over the anarchy on the streets button, and he simply presses it when things aren't going his way, like when his money is being frozen or when his family isn't in power, and then when things are going well for him, he takes his finger off.

A success of sorts i guess...

As though the pad never happened.

If Taksin had never existed, none of this would have happened, including the creation of the Pad, and it would have saved several thousand lives, plus 91.

he should have stuck t to silk. Lol

Since Thaksin was ousted, he has had his finger over the anarchy on the streets button, and he simply presses it when things aren't going his way, like when his money is being frozen or when his family isn't in power, and then when things are going well for him, he takes his finger off.

A success of sorts i guess...

As though the pad never happened.

Well, I'm sure they help give a woman confidence, especially those ones with the wings...

On a more serious note, my comments weren't intended to absolve the PAD from their involvement in the troubles, but i was specifically referring to the matter of the relative peace that Thailand has enjoyed over the last year and how much of that peace can be credited to Yingluck. Is she, for example, responsible for keeping the PAD away from the airports and away from the streets? Perhaps to a degree, but on that score i would say as much credit has to go to the Dems, because they have been the ones blocking all the thinly veiled attempts at bringing Thaksin back without charges, and they have been the ones kicking up a fuss about said criminal fugitive being issued with a passport. It's these issues that, rightly or wrongly, most ranckle the PAD and would have been the issues most likely to see them causing trouble, were PTP given free reign to do as they please.

The other potential trouble makers of course are the red shirts. How much credit does Yingluck get for keeping them away from gas tankers, molotov cocktails and rocket launchers? Seeing as she happens to be the younger sister of the man behind those troubles, i would venture, "not a lot". To do so would be a bit like congratulating an aggressive man prone to pub brawls for refraining from starting a fight with himself.