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Danish Driver Arrested And Police Officer Shot In Bizarre South Pattaya Incident

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I think open fireing for two Thai police in public was not a good idea. If they thought the man was going to put other people in danger maybe it was justified but was he armed in anyother way?? What damage did the Hit & run do besides a motorbike?? If people were killed it may be a one thing but this became more dangerous with Gun fire involved!!

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This kind of situation scares me. Not the drunk driving part. It's good that he was stopped.

BUT, the fact that the (so called) police in Thailand will readily and easily discharge their firearms, often with little or no training. Have witness this many times.

I'm sure many of us would be interested in the evidence you undoubtably have that the RTP have little or no firearms training, apart from this one badly (and probably hurriedly) planned incident.

RTP have little or no firearms training

would you train if you have to pay or the ammo

spend the money on booze better

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I know in the states and uk a cop is not allowed to shoot out tires. This here is exactly the reason it's not allowed.

Well they wouldn't do it in the UK as we are not a nation of gun toting nutters so normal police wouldn't be armed.

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I agree with the poster who infers that too many here feel that where they came from is so far better in every way than where they now chose to live. It was a misjudgment for two opposite police to fire at once but not at all unique in police response terms. Having been on these road checks, you get some alarming incidents with dangerous idiot drivers and trying to run down police who are there to check your car is not recommended in any country. I saw the crowd of police at both sides of the Pratamnak hill last night and wondered what had happened. Now I know.

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I know in the states and uk a cop is not allowed to shoot out tires. This here is exactly the reason it's not allowed.

But in London they're allowed to shoot Jean Charles de Menezes, a Brazilian man running from a subway station because he had black hair, which meant he could have been an Islamic terrorist?

Come on. Police everywhere do foolish,embarrassing, deadly things. This constant view of life in farang-ville as Utopia compared to Thailand is naive and childish.

Suradit you have some great posts, but I have to disagree with you on this one.

The cops in this case knew three things:

1. Exactly why they were stopping the vehicle: it matched the description of a vehicle involved in a recent hit and run.

2. Exactly where they were: In a highly populated metropolitan zone, with a high likelihood of drunks around, who may not react as expected in a live fire situation.

3. Presumably, attempting to halt the same vehicle, exactly where each other was in relation to the vehicle, understanding the natural single trajectory of a bullet until hitting a solid surface to deflect the bullet, and the risks involved in this.

These are three basic things that you would undergo training in as a police officer armed with a firearm.

The shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, was a case of mistaken intent, as the officers feared he was involved in an act of terror at a time of very high tensions in relation to acts of terror in the UK. The Police in the Charles de Menezes case had to make an on the spot decision about what was happening, the Police in this case knew exactly what was happening.

Each case warranted different actions by the officers involved. I do not think this was a case where a live fire situation was necessary. More so the driver to be persued until the next traffic jam, which was undoubtedly only meters away, knowing Pattaya.

Heads before triggers would have gone a long way in this situation.

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As I was reading 'as two officers on either side of the road opened fire', I was thinking jeez, lucky they didn't shoot each other, but sure enough (reading on) one shot the other.

Yep, I don't think Thailand will be claiming

"The hub of intelligence"

anytime soon.

Judging by the current cabinet and headlines associated with them, the country has had their "crack down" on intelligence already. The police were simply finishing the job by "cracking down" on the not so smart foreigner who forgot he was a visitor and should respond accordingly to requests of the authorities, regardless of his perceptions of them.

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BBC' travel programme "Fast Track" has reported on the Thai situation highlighting that 3 embassies have issued warnings about Phuket, the scams etc. Wonder how they will report this ? All good publicity that will increase tourism, if you believe the Ministry of Propaganda that is

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I know in the states and uk a cop is not allowed to shoot out tires. This here is exactly the reason it's not allowed.

In the UK, they would rather the criminal gets away. Most people in the UK would be happy for police to shoot at fleeing criminals.

Nonsense, The reason why police in the UK generally dont go around shooting like cowboys is because of the danger to civilians. I would like to think they are trained well enough not to stand opposite each other and shoot at tires like these idiots in Pattaya did.

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I realize its only January but I nominate these police as candidates for next years Darwin awards.

Sorry cant nominate them for Darwin as they didn't remove themselves from the gene pool. Was a good try but sadly like a lot of things here lacked the effort to complete the job.

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I know in the states and uk a cop is not allowed to shoot out tires. This here is exactly the reason it's not allowed.

But in London they're allowed to shoot Jean Charles de Menezes, a Brazilian man running from a subway station because he had black hair, which meant he could have been an Islamic terrorist?

Come on. Police everywhere do foolish,embarrassing, deadly things. This constant view of life in farang-ville as Utopia compared to Thailand is naive and childish.

Here, here, although I must admit my first mental picture was of a "keystone cops" scene.

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As two officers stationed on either side of the road opened fire on the vehicle one of them inadvertently shot his colleague located on the opposite side of the road. The vehicle was eventually stopped in Jomtien Beach Soi 5, close to the Immigration Office. After two of the tyres had deflated and the vehicle could not be driven any further. It’s driver was named as Mr. Vagn Zehngraff aged 57 from Denmark, who Police described as “extremely intoxicated”

​" I shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot the deputy" comes in mind.....Mr. Vagn won't be able to renew his tires this week..

The Dane will also be responsible for the " sniper."...w00t.gif

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Just wonder if they would have done the same with a Thai driver, because the shooting sounds extreme But great work Thai or farang drunk drivers especially ones that cause accidents should be arrested.

Great work?huh.png

These keystone cops cant stop a unarmed drunk driver w/ out shooting at him then they shoot each other:o

You say great work? What r u on?

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One corrupt bib shooting another corrupt bib; great work. biggrin.png

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I know in the states and uk a cop is not allowed to shoot out tires. This here is exactly the reason it's not allowed.

In the UK, they would rather the criminal gets away. Most people in the UK would be happy for police to shoot at fleeing criminals.

Nonsense, The reason why police in the UK generally dont go around shooting like cowboys is because of the danger to civilians. I would like to think they are trained well enough not to stand opposite each other and shoot at tires like these idiots in Pattaya did.

Erm, the reason the police in the UK generally don't go around shooting like cowboys is because police in the UK generally don't carry guns.

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I know in the states and uk a cop is not allowed to shoot out tires. This here is exactly the reason it's not allowed.

In the UK, they would rather the criminal gets away. Most people in the UK would be happy for police to shoot at fleeing criminals.

Nonsense, The reason why police in the UK generally dont go around shooting like cowboys is because of the danger to civilians. I would like to think they are trained well enough not to stand opposite each other and shoot at tires like these idiots in Pattaya did.

Erm, the reason the police in the UK generally don't go around shooting like cowboys is because police in the UK generally don't carry guns.

Yep, only specially train units have firearms. Trained with a few. smile.png
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[Erm, the reason the police in the UK generally don't go around shooting like cowboys is because police in the UK generally don't carry guns.

You are wrong. Many have them in their cars.

Only around 5% of police officers in the UK are Authorised Firearms Officers, the number that are actually carry firearms as part of their duties is only part of those.

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[Erm, the reason the police in the UK generally don't go around shooting like cowboys is because police in the UK generally don't carry guns.

You are wrong. Many have them in their cars.

Only around 5% of police officers in the UK are Authorised Firearms Officers, the number that are actually carry firearms as part of their duties is only part of those.

are you including Northern Ireland in your figures, they all carry firearms and are all trained in the use of other weapons - short arm and long arm

As the the OP - I hope this ignorant ass**** gets locked up - I know of several falangs that recieved prison sentences for drunk driving over the holidays and may be deported upon release

funny how most of the posts on this thread are about the police shooting and not about the drunk falang who was even more dangerous driving while drunk

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I think open fireing for two Thai police in public was not a good idea. If they thought the man was going to put other people in danger maybe it was justified but was he armed in anyother way?? What damage did the Hit & run do besides a motorbike?? If people were killed it may be a one thing but this became more dangerous with Gun fire involved!!

Beside a motorbike??????? Jesus ........wake up old mate the motorcyclist could have been killed....worse still, it could have been me!!!!!

I sincerely hope you do not drive a vehicle of any description....ever.

And by the way he was armed....a vehicle being driven by a drunk is a deadly weapon.

In recent wars the number of allied troops killed on active service is by far outweighed by the number of people killed on the roads in their home countries

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