U K Parliament Backs Gay Marriage Bill

[onthemoon]

Why shouldn't homosexuals be allowed to bring up children?

The reason is quite clear to me.

Children should be brought up in as normal an environment as possible so that they grow up to be well balanced individuals. A childhood spent watching homosexuals show affection to each other is not normal and is likely to encourage the child to also live an abnormal adulthood.

I'm homosexual and I was bought up by a heterosexual couple. I spent my childhood watching them displaying affection to each other. Please explain why I'm not heterosexual?

I note your remark about lesbians which demonstrates just how little you've actually thought about all this. Lesbians , by definition, aren't attracted to men. It's not that they haven't yet met the man of their dreams (even though that man might be you). They just aren't interested. The fact that you are interested in them is your problem not theirs.

I've no idea how you grew up to be sexually normal but congratulations anyway. It's possible for children from abnormal families of other kinds to grow up as normal adults, even though most probably do not.

You misunderstood my comment about lesbians. Let me explain. The sight of two men snogging revolts me. That's a normal male reaction to that stuff, I think. However, a couple of lesbians having a snog doesn't revolt me at all. I find it quite interesting, so long as neither of them is butch. It makes no difference to my opinion about homosexuals bring up children. Neither male no female homosexual couples should have children in their care.

Hm. I don't think the sight of two men "snogging" revolts you is normal at all. I do think you have a problem with your sexuality and hope that you can find someone to resolve it for you.

If you were truly heterosexual, you wouldn't care about "snogging" males, you would just shrug it off. See a specialist.

[onthemoon]

Everything is changing in UK. Centuries of stuff and now everything is changing.

It's what is known as "progress". It's been going on for thousands of years (so perhaps it's time for you to deal with it).

And if you have even a passing acquaintance with history (or logic) and give it a moment's objective thought, you should recognize that the fact that something has existed for centuries doesn't make it a good thing or that it should never change.

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I should deal with what. ?

A child is to have folk to call mum AND dad, not mum and mum or dad and dad.

And why is that, in your opinion?

[Jingthing]

Anyway, forget to mention, this is a major step forward for the UK so congratulations to all of you from the UK. You join the group of nations leading the way for the rest of the world. You should be very proud. May many more follow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smB_ToxwZ0g

So I reckon with the UK the list is now TWELVE?

http://mentalfloss.c...-marriage-legal

1. The Netherlands

2. Belgium

4. Canada

5. South Africa

6. Norway

7. Sweden

8. Portugal

9. Iceland

10. Argentina

11. Mexico

Edited February 7, 2013 by Jingthing

[Chicog]

I can't see what the fuss is all about. If two LGBTs want to go through the same misery and boredom as heterosexual couples, why should they be denied the opportunity?

[Morden]

I wonder what the rate of divorces is going to be. 90%? At least male gays are mostly about polyamorous relationships, or NSA altogether. Anyway, congrats you can marry. Now move kindly aside, and make way for the next non-relevant issue that'll go on forever.

Agreed! The boys are getting too bitchy.

[endure]

I wonder what the rate of divorces is going to be. 90%? At least male gays are mostly about polyamorous relationships, or NSA altogether. Anyway, congrats you can marry. Now move kindly aside, and make way for the next non-relevant issue that'll go on forever.

Agreed! The boys are getting too bitchy.

[transam]

Anyway, forget to mention, this is a major step forward for the UK so congratulations to all of you from the UK. You join the group of nations leading the way for the rest of the world. You should be very proud. May many more follow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smB_ToxwZ0g

So I reckon with the UK the list is now TWELVE?

http://mentalfloss.c...-marriage-legal

1. The Netherlands

2. Belgium

4. Canada

5. South Africa

6. Norway

7. Sweden

8. Portugal

9. Iceland

10. Argentina

11. Mexico

The UK ''people'' didn't vote on, or for it.

[Jingthing]

The UK ''people'' didn't vote on, or for it.

They voted for their elected officials, yes?

[Jingthing]

I wonder what the rate of divorces is going to be. 90%? At least male gays are mostly about polyamorous relationships, or NSA altogether. Anyway, congrats you can marry. Now move kindly aside, and make way for the next non-relevant issue that'll go on forever.

Agreed! The boys are getting too bitchy.

Do you mean like ... uppity?

[Mosha]

The UK ''people'' didn't vote on, or for it.

They voted for their elected officials, yes?

They might need a real job after the next election.

[Jingthing]

The UK ''people'' didn't vote on, or for it.

They voted for their elected officials, yes?

They might need a real job after the next election.

That's just empty bravado considering the opinion POLLS which show public support for legalizing same sex MARRIAGE in the UK.

[chiang mai]

The UK ''people'' didn't vote on, or for it.

They voted for their elected officials, yes?

The Conservative party (Cameron) recieved 36.1% of all votes cast in the last general election hence he had to form a coalition government with the Liberal Democrats. There were 29,991,471 ballots returned by the close of poll of which the Conservatives recieved 10,703,654 votes. Given that the population of the UK is 63.2 miilion, only about 16% of the voting popultion voted for the current government.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/statistics_from_2010_election

[chiang mai]

The UK ''people'' didn't vote on, or for it.

They voted for their elected officials, yes?

They might need a real job after the next election.

That's just empty bravado considering the opinion POLLS which show public support for legalizing same sex MARRIAGE in the UK.

Another ICM poll of 1,004 people perhaps!

[Mosha]

The 3 "main" parties may just get a big shock next time round. The muslims and devout christians won't like the gay marriage laws. People are fed up with Europe. A far right mp would not surprise me just now.

[Jingthing]

The 3 "main" parties may just get a big shock next time round. The muslims and devout christians won't like the gay marriage laws. People are fed up with Europe. A far right mp would not surprise me just now.

Too bad. It's done.

[thaicbr]

The 3 "main" parties may just get a big shock next time round. The muslims and devout christians won't like the gay marriage laws. People are fed up with Europe. A far right mp would not surprise me just now.

Too bad. It's done.

Has it. I thought it had a few more hurdles yet to be finalized into law.

[chiang mai]

The 3 "main" parties may just get a big shock next time round. The muslims and devout christians won't like the gay marriage laws. People are fed up with Europe. A far right mp would not surprise me just now.

I agree, I can see a lot of things being undone as a result.

[chiang mai]

The 3 "main" parties may just get a big shock next time round. The muslims and devout christians won't like the gay marriage laws. People are fed up with Europe. A far right mp would not surprise me just now.

Too bad. It's done.

Has it. I thought it had a few more hurdles yet to be finalized into law.

The bill must first be approved by the House of Lords before it becomes law.

[thaicbr]

Personally I think that a marriage is between a man and a women. Mr and Mrs Jones for example.

If this becomes law it is going to be confusing calling the ' wife ' Mr.

Why can't gay people just have a loving 'partnership' or something similar?

[Chicog]

Personally I think that a marriage is between a man and a women. Mr and Mrs Jones for example.

If this becomes law it is going to be confusing calling the ' wife ' Mr.

Why can't gay people just have a loving 'partnership' or something similar?

Why shouldn't they have the same legal rights as straight couples?

[SteeleJoe]

Personally I think that a marriage is between a man and a women. Mr and Mrs Jones for example.

If this becomes law it is going to be confusing calling the ' wife ' Mr.

Why can't gay people just have a loving 'partnership' or something similar?

1) Personally? You think? In some countries it is currently between a man and a woman. In others, it can be between people of the same gender. These are facts as of today, not opinion. These facts are not immutable and there is no logical or legal reason I am aware of why they should be.

2) If two men are married, neither one is "the wife". Regardless, in what circumstance would there be any confusion?

3) They can. For number of valid legal and emotional reasons that does not suffice for many and they prefer to have the same rights as you or I. Why can't they have a loving "marriage"?

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Edited February 8, 2013 by SteeleJoe

[Jingthing]

Personally I think that a marriage is between a man and a women. Mr and Mrs Jones for example.

If this becomes law it is going to be confusing calling the ' wife ' Mr.

Why can't gay people just have a loving 'partnership' or something similar?

Why shouldn't they have the same legal rights as straight couples?

There is no good reason except to keep down gay people as second class citizens.

[chiang mai]

Let's have a poll, JT?

[Jingthing]

The 3 "main" parties may just get a big shock next time round. The muslims and devout christians won't like the gay marriage laws. People are fed up with Europe. A far right mp would not surprise me just now.

Too bad. It's done.

Has it. I thought it had a few more hurdles yet to be finalized into law.

The bill must first be approved by the House of Lords before it becomes law.

OK. What are the chances they wouldn't approve it?

[chiang mai]

]OK. What are the chances they wouldn't approve it?

Who can say, the Lords regularly rejects bills put to it that were previously passed by the House of Commons, "In the past there has been strong opposition in the Lords to measures promoting gay equality". http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2013/feb/05/gay-marriage-debate-politics-live-blog

Edited February 8, 2013 by chiang mai

[Jingthing]

]OK. What are the chances they wouldn't approve it?

Who can say, the Lords regularly rejects bills put to it that were previously passed by the House of Commons.

What criteria do they use?

[SteeleJoe]

Personally I think that a marriage is between a man and a women. Mr and Mrs Jones for example.

If this becomes law it is going to be confusing calling the ' wife ' Mr.

Why can't gay people just have a loving 'partnership' or something similar?

Why shouldn't they have the same legal rights as straight couples?

There is no good reason except to keep down gay people as second class citizens.

That's not a "good" reason!

But seriously, I don't believe that's what it's about for everyone who is against gay marriage; a lot of it is just those inherent aspects of all forms of bigotry and prejudice: fear and ignorance. Throw in religious values, conservative politics and/ or outlook on life...I think many opponents don't consciously want to keep gay people as second class citizens, they just don't want their world to change into something so new and/or they want a sort of "separate but equal" deal where gays can be equal but stay in their place. (Yeah, I know that doesn't make sense.)

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Edited February 8, 2013 by SteeleJoe

[chiang mai]

]OK. What are the chances they wouldn't approve it?

Who can say, the Lords regularly rejects bills put to it that were previously passed by the House of Commons.

What criteria do they use?

Yes!

Historically they have not been in favour, see my previous post and link.

[SteeleJoe]

]OK. What are the chances they wouldn't approve it?

Who can say, the Lords regularly rejects bills put to it that were previously passed by the House of Commons.

What criteria do they use?

Yes!

Historically they have not been in favour, see my previous post and link.

Clearly I am missing something -

How does one answer, "What criteria do they use?" With "yes!"?

And looking at that link I see loads of good arguments FOR allowing gay marriage and much support. As well as an assertion that it will pass with a large majority.

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[SteeleJoe]

Anyway, forget to mention, this is a major step forward for the UK so congratulations to all of you from the UK. You join the group of nations leading the way for the rest of the world. You should be very proud. May many more follow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smB_ToxwZ0g

So I reckon with the UK the list is now TWELVE?

http://mentalfloss.c...-marriage-legal

1. The Netherlands

2. Belgium

4. Canada

5. South Africa

6. Norway

7. Sweden

8. Portugal

9. Iceland

10. Argentina

11. Mexico

From chiang mai's link:

Argentina

Belgium

Canada

Denmark

Iceland

Mexico (Mexico City only but recognised throughout Mexico)

United States of America (some states only)

Netherlands

Norway

Portugal

South Africa

Spain

Sweden

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