93-Year Old Australian Accused Of Sexually Assaulting 4 Young Thai Children

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93-year old Australian accused of sexually assaulting 4 young Thai children
Lindsay Murdoch and Am Sandford

THAILAND: -- A 93-year-old Australian man accused of raping four young Thai sisters in one of the worst child sex abuse cases investigated in Thailand is likely never to face justice.

Karl Joseph Kraus, a former railway worker from Sydney, wants a court to drop the charges because he says he is suffering from terminal prostate cancer.

“I’ll be dead,” Mr Kraus told Fairfax Media from a court cell in the northern Thai city of Chiang Mai.

“Nobody helps me. This is terrible … they put me in jail when I was sick,” he said.

“I can’t walk but they still put me in prison.”

A lawyer acting for Mr Kraus is gathering evidence from doctors, which he says will lead to Chiang Mai court dismissing the charges on the basis his client is unfit to stand trial.

Mr Kraus, who attempted to flee to Burma last year, could be free by March 18, by when the court has agreed to examine his medical records. If convicted of the offences, Mr Kraus would face up to 20 years' jail.

Brought from jail to the court on Monday, Mr Kraus complained that “nobody helps me” and “I done nothing wrong.”

“I don’t know what to do,” he said.

But during his time at the court several people helped him, including two officials from the Australian embassy who brought him fresh muffins and juice.

Full story: http://www.smh.com.au/world/93year-old-australian-accused-of-child-rape-in-thailand-20130305-2fhhs.html

-- The Sydney Morning Herald 2013-03-05

[dcutman]

Police allege they seized more than 100 photographs of naked children, including some with Mr Kraus posing with them.

Police say Mr Kraus gave his young victims money. They also

allege he emailed some obscene pictures overseas, suggesting he was part
of an international paedophilia network.

Hopefully he chokes on his next fresh muffin.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/93year-old-australian-accused-of-child-rape-in-thailand-20130305-2fhhs.html#ixzz2McW0fjfP

[pumpuiman]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

[tominbkk]

Is this the same guy from the story about a year ago?

[jonclark]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

[JeremyBowskill]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

legging it to Myannmar and posing au naturale with kiddies pretty much makes him look guilty wouldn't you say? Thai coppers are world famous for creating extra work for themselfs and going across borders for nothing. Assuming he is the dirty sex case he has been accused of I would be inclined to show him the exact compassion he showed the kids. Burn in hell scumbag.

!00% A paid up member of the hang em high brigade and proud of it!

[chainarong]

Is this the same guy from the story about a year ago?

Yeah, sameone tominbkk,

[laurentbkk]

sick or not this guy belong to jail and for a long time ..... he knew perfectly what he was doing , otherwise why flee to Burma ? Bored about those sicko pedophiles .

[macksview]

if found guilty which i believe he most probably is, i hope he has a long and slow lagging in jail, i hope he lives another 10 years spending it in a thai jail.

[noitom]

Is this the same case where the Thai mother sold the daughter to the guy?

[retell]

yeah right release him and he will suddenly be cured as by a miracle from a terminal disease ,shall not be the first to play that card

sick or not let him stand trail

[Buchholz]

Is this the same guy from the story about a year ago?

Yeah, sameone tominbkk,

It's the same one as the four stories going back three years ago.

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[hmj]

jonclark #5

"Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high
posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want
that allegation perceived as guilt?"

A Belgian Roman Catholic Bishop has admitted child abuse but has not been brought before
a Court. How does that fit in with "Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence ..."?

[Pib]

Appears to show a person can maintain pervert status for a lifetime (a long one).

[Locationthailand]

At 93? This guy was even capable of sexual acts? This guy is well past his prime. Let it go to court, view the evidence, then let his fate take its course.

[seminomadic]

He's an attractive older man and certainly has a debonaire style in how he dresses himself.

I could see how some Thai teenage girl could be drawn into that.

[jamhar]

Yes let the court decide

but dont let the scum out while awating the court.

He will do it again, and again until he dies.

which cant happen soon enough, IMHO

[Markaew]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

If dcutman's post is correct, they have pictures of the guy posing with these kids. I am the first one to say it may be a setup when foreigners are charged, but pictures are absolutely damning. I have seen Thai guys and foreigners setup for a money grab, but with the pictures I have to say high 'em high.

[geriatrickid]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

legging it to Myannmar and posing au naturale with kiddies pretty much makes him look guilty wouldn't you say? Thai coppers are world famous for creating extra work for themselfs and going across borders for nothing. Assuming he is the dirty sex case he has been accused of I would be inclined to show him the exact compassion he showed the kids. Burn in hell scumbag.

!00% A paid up member of the hang em high brigade and proud of it!

Did you see these pictures that the police have alleged exist?

Were the pictures entered as evidence and his identity verified in court?

If not, then how can you be so certain the allegations are correct?

Where are these pictures that no one has seen? Maybe they exist and maybe the accused is indeed engaged in a lewd poses as alleged.

However, until someone verifies that the man is in the pictures and that there are any pictures, don't you think, one is entitled to be presumed innocent?

And to be honest, if I was accused of a horrific crime of which I was innocent, in consideration of how the justice system works in Thailand, I too would get out of Thailand as fast as I could and attempt to deal with the accusation from outside of Thailand. Unless one has a large amount of cash, it is very difficult to fight a serious case. I wouldn't want to rot in a Thai jail.

Iit would serve the public's best interest if there was a hearing on the admissability of the evidence and a determination of the man's involvement. In the meantime, the holding of someone of his age in prison serves no purpose. He is not a danger to society if he is required to maintain some bail conditions. And one cannot punish him, as he has been convicted of no crime. The odds are against the accused.

[geriatrickid]

Yes let the court decide

but dont let the scum out while awating the court.

He will do it again, and again until he dies.

which cant happen soon enough, IMHO

I really don't think the man is in any physical condition to do anything, except perhaps soil his underwear.

And what if the allegations cannot be substantiated? Are you in favour of detaining people based on an unsubstantiated allegations?

Get it out in the open. If there is actual verifiable evidence that the man did something wrong and is a threat to society, then by all means, detain him. Unfortunately, the police and prosecutor haven't made much of a case against him. I trust the BiB as far as I can spit.

[coma]

This case is and has been nothing short of a farce from the beginning. If the prosecutor had a case it would have been all done and dusted by now. But because they don't, they will make this guy suffer and squeeze every last penny out of him until he succumbs to old age. Shame on you Thai justice system.

[macksview]

i have dealt with a lot of peds before, and not one of them was innocent, not one.

had to deal with an old ped once, on his deathbed he was, and his two lovely daughters both nurses, whom he diddled, came to visit him, not for any compassionate reason, they wanted to see him die.

peds are so evil, their crimes dont soften with time, the victims have it with them forever.

[macksview]

does anyone know if kraus the accused, had previous convictions for sex offences or crimes of violence against women?

[Pimay1]

Is this the same case where the Thai mother sold the daughter to the guy?

Boy if that's not a can of worms.

[yougivemebaby]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

If there are photos of him with naked children.. Hmm Not sure exactly what is innocent about that? Sure, it could be a conspiracy but it doesn't sound like he's claiming anything of the sorts.

[Nickymaster]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

legging it to Myannmar and posing au naturale with kiddies pretty much makes him look guilty wouldn't you say? Thai coppers are world famous for creating extra work for themselfs and going across borders for nothing. Assuming he is the dirty sex case he has been accused of I would be inclined to show him the exact compassion he showed the kids. Burn in hell scumbag.

!00% A paid up member of the hang em high brigade and proud of it!

Did you see these pictures that the police have alleged exist?

Were the pictures entered as evidence and his identity verified in court?

If not, then how can you be so certain the allegations are correct?

Where are these pictures that no one has seen? Maybe they exist and maybe the accused is indeed engaged in a lewd poses as alleged.

However, until someone verifies that the man is in the pictures and that there are any pictures, don't you think, one is entitled to be presumed innocent?

And to be honest, if I was accused of a horrific crime of which I was innocent, in consideration of how the justice system works in Thailand, I too would get out of Thailand as fast as I could and attempt to deal with the accusation from outside of Thailand. Unless one has a large amount of cash, it is very difficult to fight a serious case. I wouldn't want to rot in a Thai jail.

Iit would serve the public's best interest if there was a hearing on the admissability of the evidence and a determination of the man's involvement. In the meantime, the holding of someone of his age in prison serves no purpose. He is not a danger to society if he is required to maintain some bail conditions. And one cannot punish him, as he has been convicted of no crime. The odds are against the accused.

And to be honest, if I was accused of a horrific crime of which I was innocent, in consideration of how the justice system works in Thailand, I too would get out of Thailand as fast as I could and attempt to deal with the accusation from outside of Thailand.

If these guys don't do anything wrong, they don’t have to deal with the Thai justice system…simple as that. You don't just get accused of something you are innocent of (unless your name is Thaksin of course).

If you do some research it is mentioned nowhere that the guy didn't do anything wrong. He is basically making 2 points:

1. He is sick and will die soon therefore the court should release him.

2. He doesn't get the support he is expecting from the prison and from the Australian and German embassy.

Again, if you don't trust the justice system in Thailand, don't do anything that might get you into trouble.

[FDog]

You don't have to do anything to get into trouble with the police.

Allegations of these sorts of crimes for this guy can be dealt with in Australia. What the Oz Govt should do is apply to have him extradited to Oz to stand trial. That takes the shoddy Thai justice system out of the equation.

They could be innocent photos, they may not. But on the face of it I would say it isn't looking good for him.

To the poster that implied that in his experience every ped that has been charged was guilty, well, not in my experience. Ever since Oz brought in criminal compensation there have been a number of allegations proven to be false. Some people were just after the money.

There are also some cases in the US where psychiatrists used hypnotism and prompted the young ones about sexual abuse. This has led to charges on a number of people but years later the young ones said it was all made up under pressure from authorities.

Those that were found guilty under those circumstances have their lives ruined forever as people will remember their guilt but not take any notice of the false evidence that led to their conviction being quashed.

[davejones]

Let him rot....the pig should have to crawl into court.

So according to you he is guilty as charged - these are allegations. Does an allegation automatically mean guilt??

Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want that allegation perceived as guilt?

legging it to Myannmar and posing au naturale with kiddies pretty much makes him look guilty wouldn't you say? Thai coppers are world famous for creating extra work for themselfs and going across borders for nothing. Assuming he is the dirty sex case he has been accused of I would be inclined to show him the exact compassion he showed the kids. Burn in hell scumbag.

!00% A paid up member of the hang em high brigade and proud of it!

The police could have been acting on a false tip-off. Have you seen this photos? No, I doubt you have. These are allegations, and you should wait for his trial. If he's guilty, then he can take his punishment after that. There have been cases in the UK where fathers have been arrested for having naked pictures of their kids. But they turned out to be innocent photos. Plenty of kids run around naked. Nothing wrong with nakedness. You have haven't seen any of the evidence, so just wait for a court to decide. From what I've read he seems guilty. But that doesn't mean he is. What do you want, for people to be locked up just because police made some extra effort. Maybe they'll make some extra effort to come after you one day. Then we can all assume you're guilty and hang you high. Hope you don't have any enemies that will set you up.

[Buchholz]

At 93? This guy was even capable of sexual acts? This guy is well past his prime. Let it go to court, view the evidence, then let his fate take its course.

Sexual assault on children can take many forms and these can be perpetrated by someone of any age.

eg.

Enemas, Tubes, and Object Insertion as Part of Child Abuse

.

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[macksview]

You don't have to do anything to get into trouble with the police.

Allegations of these sorts of crimes for this guy can be dealt with in Australia. What the Oz Govt should do is apply to have him extradited to Oz to stand trial. That takes the shoddy Thai justice system out of the equation.

They could be innocent photos, they may not. But on the face of it I would say it isn't looking good for him.

To the poster that implied that in his experience every ped that has been charged was guilty, well, not in my experience. Ever since Oz brought in criminal compensation there have been a number of allegations proven to be false. Some people were just after the money.

There are also some cases in the US where psychiatrists used hypnotism and prompted the young ones about sexual abuse. This has led to charges on a number of people but years later the young ones said it was all made up under pressure from authorities.

Those that were found guilty under those circumstances have their lives ruined forever as people will remember their guilt but not take any notice of the false evidence that led to their conviction being quashed.

yes,true, with australian government offering compensation for crimes against children there was an increase of allegations of sexual abuse, some were false some of course were not, unfortunately mud sticks.

but the convicted ones i have dealt with, guilty to the core