Liverpool F.c.

[mrbojangles]

Maybe Suarez needs to borrow Ballotelli's "why always me" t-shirt

[StevieH]

maybe the FA, the referees and the media want to start not doing everything alex ferguson tells them to. yet another ferguson media campaign works like a charm.

[Devil]

Edited December 9, 2011 by Devil

[carmine]

I hope that picture isn't an advertisement to buy a holiday home on merseyside.

How soon is Gerard expected to be back?

[bkkjames]

Dp..

Edited December 10, 2011 by bkkjames

[bkkjames]

Stevie and his weekly dose of paranoi, guess saf had his suarez voodoo doll out and was making him give the fans the bird. Broken record.

[alfieconn]

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And that was never a Red and if you still think it is then you clearly have never watched football before.

i'm glad to see that your management at least know the current laws of the game as they didn't even bother to appeal Spearings sending off

[carmine]

Stevie and his weekly dose of paranoi, guess saf had his suarez voodoo doll out and was making him give the fans the bird. Broken record.

He right though isn't he. What he doesn't say is that Liverpool play right inti Fergusons hands. Suarez also has a questionable temperment.

Mindyou james i reckon Ferguson will give it a rest now as i'm sure he has more important things on his mind....thursday nights, channel 5, City away 3rd round FA cup, no Vidic, no midfield, and Wolves have got to fancy themselves at OT this weekend haven't they.

[MrRed]

maybe the FA, the referees and the media want to start not doing everything alex ferguson tells them to. yet another ferguson media campaign works like a charm.

What media campaign is it this time Stevie? can you clarify which one

[Devil]

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And that was never a Red and if you still think it is then you clearly have never watched football before.

i'm glad to see that your management at least know the current laws of the game as they didn't even bother to appeal Spearings sending off

Thought Kenny cleared the reason for that up...

"We accepted it. There was no point appealing because if you appeal, you're not allowed representation from the club, and there's certainly no representation from the referees".

[StevieH]

Stevie and his weekly dose of paranoi, guess saf had his suarez voodoo doll out and was making him give the fans the bird. Broken record.

He right though isn't he. What he doesn't say is that Liverpool play right inti Fergusons hands. Suarez also has a questionable temperment.

Mindyou james i reckon Ferguson will give it a rest now as i'm sure he has more important things on his mind....thursday nights, channel 5, City away 3rd round FA cup, no Vidic, no midfield, and Wolves have got to fancy themselves at OT this weekend haven't they.

there's a clear timeline. against united ferguson gets asked about charlie adam being fouled by ferdinand for our goal. could have been a red card alex? responds by saying 'the boy suarez just dives all over the place'. utterly irrelevant to the question. since then suarez has had the shit kicked out of him by opponents every match and got nothing from referees. comes to a head with fulham fans chanting 'cheat' at him the other night and he reacts badly. suarez ends up labeled a cheat and a diver despite getting the crap booted out of him and him not having dived or feigned once since signing for liverpool. it's <deleted>.

[StevieH]

good read.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/luis-suarez-courteous-respectful-sensitive-6274936.html

Referees, opponents, fans, foes: the whole world thinks they know Luis Suarez, and the whole world thinks they know what he is. He is the cannibal of Ajax, the unrepentant dasher of African dreams.

Most recently, he is a finger raised in apparent fury at Fulham's Putney End. Most seriously, he is accused of directing racist abuse at Patrice Evra. He has been called a cheat, a scoundrel, a scourge upon the game.

Speak to those who know him, though, those who grew up with him, who helped mould him, who played with him, who count him as a team-mate and as a friend, and that image begins to crumble. Indeed, the lexicon for describing a player who has spent the last two years collecting a variety of disparaging epithets is almost wholly inverted.

Mathias Cardacio, a peer from the youth teams at Nacional and still a friend, recalls a nascent superstar who "everyone warmed to". Alejandro Balbi, a director at the Montevideo club which recruited Suarez as a child, finds the reputation he has been afforded in Europe "incomprehensible". Both agree that Suarez was, he is, "humble, gracious, quiet".

"All of my memories of him are fond," says Erik Nevland, the former Manchester United prodigy who forged a prolific partnership with Suarez at the Dutch side Groningen, his first port of call in European football. "He did not speak the language at first, so he spent a lot of time with Bruno Silva, another Uruguayan, as he tried to settle in. It was difficult for him, but he was always laughing in the dressing room. He is not easy to forget, Luis, but in a very good way."

Martin Jol, manager of the club which provided the setting for Suarez's latest transgression, has offered a similar description. The Uruguayan was, according to the Fulham manager, "a real capitano" while under his aegis at Ajax.

Those who will line up alongside him when Kenny Dalglish's side face Queen's Park Rangers today would agree. Suarez is an enduringly popular figure among Liverpool's squad, not simply with the close cabal of Latin Americans who have eased his transition to life in England – he and his family spend much of their social time with Maxi Rodriguez and Lucas Leiva, as well as his recently arrived countryman, Sebastian Coates – but with Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher and Pepe Reina, too, Anfield's influential strongmen. Dalglish's affection for the striker the Scot calls "Louise" is genuine. The Liverpool manager recalls Suarez beaming with delight when he first arrived at Melwood, his gourd of the South American drink mate under one arm and his daughter, Delfina, on the other, and remains adamant that his effervescent forward has not stopped smiling since.

He was not smiling, though, as he bit his gloved hand in frustration at Craven Cottage on Monday night, his rage at his perceived lack of protection from referee Kevin Friend and his displeasure at 90 minutes of vitriol directed at him from the stands combining, amid the pain of defeat, to snap his patience and extend his finger.

He was not smiling during the ill-tempered clash with Manchester United at Anfield when he is alleged to have racially abused Evra, and he will most certainly not be smiling when he presents a case for his defence – believed to centre on the linguistic nuance of the Spanish term negrito – to the Football Association.

There is nothing surprising, of course, in a footballer being quite different on the pitch than he is in private. Suarez himself admits as much. "My wife [sofia] says that if I was like I am when I'm playing when I'm at home, she wouldn't be my wife any more," he laughs. The contrast, though, is so stark that it warrants further investigation.

"It is strange to see the person that everyone talks about and think it is the same Luis I played with," admits Nevland. There is, though, one very obvious explanation. "All he wants," says the Norwegian, "is to win."

It is a theme that unites those who have encountered Suarez. "Uruguayans never accept defeat," says Cardacio, formerly of Milan. "But Luis is different to everyone. Even as a 14-year-old, he would never give up a ball for lost. In one game, we won 21-0, Luis scored 17 goals and yet he did not stop for a second. He never thinks he has won. He always wants more."

That, too, is hardly rare among elite sportsmen. It is the way the trait manifests in Suarez that stands out. One Dutch psychologist, examining the incident in November last year when Suarez bit PSV Eindhoven's Ottman Bakkal, suggested it could be attributed to the disappointment of defeat. Like his gesture at Fulham, Balbi attributes it to how seriously he takes his craft.

"He feels the game," he says. "Nothing like this ever happened in Uruguay. I don't even remember him being sent off. He was courteous, respectful. But what happened with Zinedine Zidane [at the 2006 World Cup final] shows that even the best players can sometimes lose their heads."

The Frenchman's headbutting of Marco Materazzi is not quite so abominable as the charge of racism that stands against Suarez. If he is found guilty, which he may not be, his image would be left in ruins; his career in England, too, could be under threat, with Liverpool's owners concerned by the effect such a verdict might have on the club's reputation.

"Ever since he was small he was very respectful, so I cannot believe he would insult Evra," says Cardacio. Balbi agrees, in the strongest possible terms: "This charge of racism, I can guarantee that this is not what Luis is like."

The concern, of course, is that a man who will do everything to win might perhaps resort even to that. Cardacio acknowledges that Suarez's relentless drive sometimes leads him to "do things he shouldn't", though he insists that applies more to simulation – Latin Americans prefer to call it picardia, cunning or guile – than the sort of abuse he cannot imagine his friend uttering.

For Suarez's English audience, gorged on a narrative in which he plays the pantomime villain, it is different. A man seen by his friends as humble and polite has been cast as the Premier League's enfant terrible; in such a context, it is not hard to imagine a congenital cheat, a man who so delighted in the schadenfreude of knocking Ghana out of the World Cup, being caught up in such a scandal.

Suarez is not the first to be afforded such status. Eric Cantona, Cristiano Ronaldo, Didier Drogba: all might be able to advise him on how to deal with his unique scrutiny. Mario Balotelli, his immediate predecessor, has eloquently stated his bafflement at the interest in his pastimes away from the game, and his belief that he is treated differently on the pitch as a result of it.

"It is different in England, and it can be really hard to get used to for the foreign players," says Nevland. Sufficiently hard, Balbi suggests, that it may eventually force Suarez to consider leaving. "He is sensitive," he says. "He will be concerned by the way people think of him."

Here, too, a split: no doubt those who see Suarez as a pestilence on the Premier League would say good riddance; if he is found guilty of racism, then it would be hard to disagree. Even if he is not, though, the lingering stain on his reputation may be enough to condemn him. There would be others, of course, who would be distraught to see him leave, and not just at his adoring Anfield.

And to his friends, it would be a matter of lasting regret. "I will never forget the eight years we played together," says Cardacio. "He is the most beloved, idolised player we have. He is a source of great pride for the whole country." In Uruguay, too, far from the pantomime, they think they know Suarez. The Suarez they know, though, is not the Suarez we have been taught to know.

[carmine]

So thats it then. He's Jesus reborn. Sorry but that was gut wrenching.

Actually what he really is is an excellent player, currently being unfairly victimised, with a very questionable temperment that is prone to taking matters into his own hands. He is not whiter than white but in no way is he a cheat or a dirty player. Thats it. And i've never seen him get the crap kicked out of him. He takes knocks like any other striker. Its part and parcel of being a very good player.

It would be a lot better if his manager just said b*llocks to the press rather than bleating on about being victims or whatever he says. Ferguson must be laughing his socks off at the predictable reaction.

[Abrak]

So thats it then. He's Jesus reborn. Sorry but that was gut wrenching.

Suarez - Jesus reborn

Is just the inevitable sequel to...

Suarez - Devil incarnate

....that the press was running a couple of weeks ago.

[carmine]

So thats it then. He's Jesus reborn. Sorry but that was gut wrenching.

Suarez - Jesus reborn

Is just the inevitable sequel to...

Suarez - Devil incarnate

....that the press was running a couple of weeks ago.

Honestly mate, i'm so sick of this nonsense and i'm not even a Liverpool fan. However, whilst people are putting forward the absurd notion that he's never done anything wrong it will unfortunately play into Fergusons hands and no doubt carry on till after christmas. All he needs to do is cut out the petulance and eliminate the "off the ball" acts out of his game. And i'm really hoping no ones going to come out with a :he's never done anything wrong off the ball" line.

As strikers go he's one of the best. In other matters he's no different to anyone else.

[StevieH]

As strikers go he's one of the best. In other matters he's no different to anyone else.

fair enough. then he should be subject to the same treatment as anyone else. which at present he isn't.

[JacknDanny]

So thats it then. He's Jesus reborn. Sorry but that was gut wrenching.

Suarez - Jesus reborn

Is just the inevitable sequel to...

Suarez - Devil incarnate

....that the press was running a couple of weeks ago.

Honestly mate, i'm so sick of this nonsense and i'm not even a Liverpool fan. However, whilst people are putting forward the absurd notion that he's never done anything wrong it will unfortunately play into Fergusons hands and no doubt carry on till after christmas. All he needs to do is cut out the petulance and eliminate the "off the ball" acts out of his game. And i'm really hoping no ones going to come out with a :he's never done anything wrong off the ball" line.

As strikers go he's one of the best. In other matters he's no different to anyone else.

Thats a fair enough post. I dont think he dives more than your average footballer, but he is able to 'win' fouls better than most..... I dont have a problem with that, Frannie Lee got it off to a fine art!! He is an exceptional footballer... where my problem lies with him is he always looks as though he is trying out someone elses teeth, and he is a whinging tw@t.

[Abrak]

where my problem lies with him is he always looks as though he is trying out someone elses teeth, and he is a whinging tw@t.

I have to say that I did think that Bart's impression of Suarez was pretty good (from football365)

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[Penkoprod]

Fernando Torres.............

Would he be welcomed back by the fans to line up with Suarez, as an attacking duo?

Rumour (OK, OK its the Daily Mail!!!) has it, he will be sold for £20 Million by the Chavs, to cut their losses on him

Interesting scenario, though, huh?

Penkoprod

Edited December 14, 2011 by Penkoprod

[Devil]

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Early Jan... Now training in Dubai in the heat - big difference to the above pic

[StevieH]

Fernando Torres.............

Would he be welcomed back by the fans to line up with Suarez, as an attacking duo?

Rumour (OK, OK its the Daily Mail!!!) has it, he will be sold for £20 Million by the Chavs, to cut their losses on him

Interesting scenario, though, huh?

Penkoprod

there's never anything interesting in the daily mail mate.

and i wouldn't have torres back if he was free. don't think kenny would either given the way he left.

[Devil]

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Fernando Torres.............

Would he be welcomed back by the fans to line up with Suarez, as an attacking duo?

Rumour (OK, OK its the Daily Mail!!!) has it, he will be sold for £20 Million by the Chavs, to cut their losses on him

Interesting scenario, though, huh?

Penkoprod

there's never anything interesting in the daily mail mate.

and i wouldn't have torres back if he was free. don't think kenny would either given the way he left.

Gutted when he left, even the timing of it all.

Can't see it ever happening as you say. Also not entirely convinced his bad form at Chelsea is just confidence looks physically to be a different player also.

Final thought - Rushie was resigned by Kenny so never say never

[StevieH]

Gutted when he left, even the timing of it all.

Can't see it ever happening as you say. Also not entirely convinced his bad form at Chelsea is just confidence looks physically to be a different player also.

Final thought - Rushie was resigned by Kenny so never say never

yeah rushie's the anomaly in this, but that was a long time ago. torres needs to go to a league where the football is slower and regain his confidence at a club where he's loved again. PSG maybe.

[carmine]

Gutted when he left, even the timing of it all.

Can't see it ever happening as you say. Also not entirely convinced his bad form at Chelsea is just confidence looks physically to be a different player also.

Final thought - Rushie was resigned by Kenny so never say never

yeah rushie's the anomaly in this, but that was a long time ago. torres needs to go to a league where the football is slower and regain his confidence at a club where he's loved again. PSG maybe.

You lot have obviously seen Torres play more often than me. So, how do you think he'd fit in with Adebayor?

[smokie36]

Gutted when he left, even the timing of it all.

Can't see it ever happening as you say. Also not entirely convinced his bad form at Chelsea is just confidence looks physically to be a different player also.

Final thought - Rushie was resigned by Kenny so never say never

yeah rushie's the anomaly in this, but that was a long time ago. torres needs to go to a league where the football is slower and regain his confidence at a club where he's loved again. PSG maybe.

You lot have obviously seen Torres play more often than me. So, how do you think he'd fit in with Adebayor?

Playing in a team full of pace and creativity he'd do well is my opinion.

[carmine]

Gutted when he left, even the timing of it all.

Can't see it ever happening as you say. Also not entirely convinced his bad form at Chelsea is just confidence looks physically to be a different player also.

Final thought - Rushie was resigned by Kenny so never say never

yeah rushie's the anomaly in this, but that was a long time ago. torres needs to go to a league where the football is slower and regain his confidence at a club where he's loved again. PSG maybe.

You lot have obviously seen Torres play more often than me. So, how do you think he'd fit in with Adebayor?

Playing in a team full of pace and creativity he'd do well is my opinion.

Well thanks for that smokes but i was actually asking the Liverpool thread.

[StevieH]

Gutted when he left, even the timing of it all.

Can't see it ever happening as you say. Also not entirely convinced his bad form at Chelsea is just confidence looks physically to be a different player also.

Final thought - Rushie was resigned by Kenny so never say never

yeah rushie's the anomaly in this, but that was a long time ago. torres needs to go to a league where the football is slower and regain his confidence at a club where he's loved again. PSG maybe.

You lot have obviously seen Torres play more often than me. So, how do you think he'd fit in with Adebayor?

about as well as he's fitted in with drogba.

[carmine]

Gutted when he left, even the timing of it all.

Can't see it ever happening as you say. Also not entirely convinced his bad form at Chelsea is just confidence looks physically to be a different player also.

Final thought - Rushie was resigned by Kenny so never say never

yeah rushie's the anomaly in this, but that was a long time ago. torres needs to go to a league where the football is slower and regain his confidence at a club where he's loved again. PSG maybe.

You lot have obviously seen Torres play more often than me. So, how do you think he'd fit in with Adebayor?

about as well as he's fitted in with drogba.

On the basis of poor form or not compatable?

[Abrak]

I think the speculation on Torres is misplaced.

For a start I dont see which team is going to match his current 180k a week given his poor 'form'. As his poor form now stretches back almost 2 years, you have to think that it is more than just a blip.

More to the point why would Chelsea sell him in January. Anelka is leaving for China. Drogba is off to the African nations and will probably leave in the summer. Chelsea are in the Champions League so they cant change their squad much and need to have Torres around.

[StevieH]

On the basis of poor form or not compatable?

on the basis of them playing in exactly the same position and getting in each other's way.