Chaing Mai To Shan State - Tai Yai Ville

[SDH]

Anyone know of the route to Tai Yai land?

Where's a place with power and hotels?

I'm looking only for local knowledge here....

[hellodolly]

Thai Visa has a Myanmar forum try there

[heybruce]

Tai Yai Land? According to my students Tai Yai is the term Thai people use to refer to the different groups westerners call Hill Tribe people.

[Gonzo the Face]

Google up Lashio. Direct flights from Tachilek to Lashio by Air Asia...

Some even land there..

[daoyai]

Tai Yai Land? According to my students Tai Yai is the term Thai people use to refer to the different groups westerners call Hill Tribe people.

nah, tai yai are shan, sheesh, kids

[puck2]

Tai Yai Land? According to my students Tai Yai is the term Thai people use to refer to the different groups westerners call Hill Tribe people.

nah, tai yai are shan, sheesh, kids

Where do you want to see it/them? In Myanmar? If in Thailand you'll find most of them in the Mae Hong Son Province, but no Thai Yai villages. If you want more details send me a PM.

[SDH]

Google up Lashio. Direct flights from Tachilek to Lashio by Air Asia...

Some even land there..

Perfect, thanks!

[SDH]

Tai Yai Land? According to my students Tai Yai is the term Thai people use to refer to the different groups westerners call Hill Tribe people.

nah, tai yai are shan, sheesh, kids

Where do you want to see it/them? In Myanmar? If in Thailand you'll find most of them in the Mae Hong Son Province, but no Thai Yai villages. If you want more details send me a PM.

I thought it would be good to take a trip there before it changed to much, like before there was a 7/11 on every corner!

So about a week trip if it's possible..

[WinnieTheKhwai]

Tai Yai Land? According to my students Tai Yai is the term Thai people use to refer to the different groups westerners call Hill Tribe people.

You probably misunderstood. (Or they were wrong, but I'm going with the former.)

[SDH]

Tai Yai Land? According to my students Tai Yai is the term Thai people use to refer to the different groups westerners call Hill Tribe people.

You probably misunderstood. (Or they were wrong, but I'm going with the former.)

I think (nope sure) that Tai Yai are Shan ethnic group (Great Tai), most of them don't call themselves Shan.

Shan state used to be a very large country back in the days of old...

[heybruce]

Tai Yai Land? According to my students Tai Yai is the term Thai people use to refer to the different groups westerners call Hill Tribe people.

nah, tai yai are shan, sheesh, kids

Then why not specify Shan? This is an English language forum, and I don't think you'll find Tai Yai land or Tai Yai Ville on any maps. When asking for information there are advantages to clarity.

[heybruce]

Tai Yai Land? According to my students Tai Yai is the term Thai people use to refer to the different groups westerners call Hill Tribe people.

You probably misunderstood. (Or they were wrong, but I'm going with the former.)

I think (nope sure) that Tai Yai are Shan ethnic group (Great Tai), most of them don't call themselves Shan.

Shan state used to be a very large country back in the days of old...

I like old maps, do you know what year this is from? I find the enlarged Cambodia with Angkor located but not Phnom Penh interesting.

[kimincm]

This map from the Khun Sa Museum,Thoed Thai.

[Johpa]

Tai Yai land is more commonly referred to as the Shan State in northeast Burma. Politically, it is in shambles now, as is the Karen State. It is not a region that is easily accessible other than the larger garrison towns. But there are many local Shan villages in the Lanna region. Perhaps the most accessible is Baan Mok Cham above Thaton situated along the Kok River. It was founded in the early 1960s by, amongst others, the son of Sao Shwe Thaik, the first president of modern independent Burma. There are lots of Shan villages in the Pai and Mae Hong Son areas. There are a few good Shan restaurants in Chiang Mai, search the forum. There is the woman operating a food stall in the market in MHS who all Burmese and Shans make a morning pilgrimage to when visiting MHS for her amazing tofu dishes. But traveling through the Shan State is really not an option apart form a very small number of NGOs or your first name is Bertril.

[SDH]

Tai Yai land is more commonly referred to as the Shan State in northeast Burma. Politically, it is in shambles now, as is the Karen State. It is not a region that is easily accessible other than the larger garrison towns. But there are many local Shan villages in the Lanna region. Perhaps the most accessible is Baan Mok Cham above Thaton situated along the Kok River. It was founded in the early 1960s by, amongst others, the son of Sao Shwe Thaik, the first president of modern independent Burma. There are lots of Shan villages in the Pai and Mae Hong Son areas. There are a few good Shan restaurants in Chiang Mai, search the forum. There is the woman operating a food stall in the market in MHS who all Burmese and Shans make a morning pilgrimage to when visiting MHS for her amazing tofu dishes. But traveling through the Shan State is really not an option apart form a very small number of NGOs or your first name is Bertril.

Thanks Johpa,

MHS it is, and can drive my car, easy and without hassle, will be sure to check out the food stall as well!

[orang37]

MHS it is, and can drive my car, easy and without hassle, will be sure to check out the food stall as well!

Sawasdee Khrup, Khun SDH,

I am curious what you are expecting to see, or do, once you have found a place with "hotels and power" in Shan, or Tai Yai, territory.

fyi: while many of the Tai speaking ethnic groups scattered over what is now Thailand, Burma, Yunnan, even Assam, are often lumped together as Shan, the Shan Tai Yai are perhaps the largest "distinct" group, with discrete large territories (Shan States, capital Taunggyi). Tai Yai are different culturally from the Tai Lue of Yunnan, but the Tai Lue often get categorized as "Shan." And, it gets really mixed-up when you consider that Shan territory also has migrant ethnic groups who came down from the Tibet area, whose language stock is Tibetan-Burmese. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shan_people#Tai_groups

Tachilek, across from Mae Sai, is "Tai Yai," if you can forge your way through the skanky Bangladeshis selling fake Viagra, and the market crowds, to connect with the native culture. The ancient Tai/Thai kingdom of Chieng Rung that once stretched from near Fang in Thailand up into what is Keng Tung in Myanmar now, was kind of a Lanna city-state, but, trapped on the strategic route-to-war between the great Burmese empires and the Kingdom of Chiang Mai's polity, and the warring empire of Ayutthya, it oscillated between being a vassal state of the Burmese, or Lanna. In the area of Keng Tung now, which you can travel to from Tachilek, are the Tai Khuen people.

If you are going to Mae Hong Son, I hope you like extreme hot weather; it's often the hottest place in Thailand:

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=mae+hong+son

http://www.tmd.go.th/en/province.php?id=3

And the air-pollution levels in Mae Hong Son, during our "foul months," is often among the highest levels in Thailand. AQM-PM10 levels are way under 100 now, but, as recently as April 9, spiked near 300, which is emergency level.

http://aqmthai.servehttp.com/public_report.php

Select the entry for: Environment and Natural Resources Office 58t Mae (Natural Resources and Environment Office, Mae Hongson).

Or, try this: http://aqicn.org/?city=Thailand/%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B3%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%98%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%8A%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B0%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%A5%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%94%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AE%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%99

~o:37;

[SDH]

MHS it is, and can drive my car, easy and without hassle, will be sure to check out the food stall as well!

Sawasdee Khrup, Khun SDH,

I am curious what you are expecting to see, or do, once you have found a place with "hotels and power" in Shan, or Tai Yai, territory.

fyi: while many of the Tai speaking ethnic groups scattered over what is now Thailand, Burma, Yunnan, even Assam, are often lumped together as Shan, the Shan Tai Yai are perhaps the largest "distinct" group, with discrete large territories (Shan States, capital Taunggyi). Tai Yai are different culturally from the Tai Lue of Yunnan, but the Tai Lue often get categorized as "Shan." And, it gets really mixed-up when you consider that Shan territory also has migrant ethnic groups who came down from the Tibet area, whose language stock is Tibetan-Burmese. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shan_people#Tai_groups

Tachilek, across from Mae Sai, is "Tai Yai," if you can forge your way through the skanky Bangladeshis selling fake Viagra, and the market crowds, to connect with the native culture. The ancient Tai/Thai kingdom of Chieng Rung that once stretched from near Fang in Thailand up into what is Keng Tung in Myanmar now, was kind of a Lanna city-state, but, trapped on the strategic route-to-war between the great Burmese empires and the Kingdom of Chiang Mai's polity, and the warring empire of Ayutthya, it oscillated between being a vassal state of the Burmese, or Lanna. In the area of Keng Tung now, which you can travel to from Tachilek, are the Tai Khuen people.

If you are going to Mae Hong Son, I hope you like extreme hot weather; it's often the hottest place in Thailand:

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=mae+hong+son

http://www.tmd.go.th/en/province.php?id=3

And the air-pollution levels in Mae Hong Son, during our "foul months," is often among the highest levels in Thailand. AQM-PM10 levels are way under 100 now, but, as recently as April 9, spiked near 300, which is emergency level.

http://aqmthai.servehttp.com/public_report.php

Select the entry for: Environment and Natural Resources Office 58t Mae (Natural Resources and Environment Office, Mae Hongson).

Or, try this: http://aqicn.org/?city=Thailand/%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B3%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%98%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%8A%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B0%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%A5%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%94%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AE%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%99

~o:37;

Thanks for taking the time to reply!

I just wanted to travel to somewhere that hadn't changed so much in the last 100 years, I will go to Inle Lake, for sure to Mandalay and maybe Taunggyi. I can drive to MHS and check it out easily enough, so...

[TPI]

Tai Yai land is more commonly referred to as the Shan State in northeast Burma. Politically, it is in shambles now, as is the Karen State. It is not a region that is easily accessible other than the larger garrison towns. But there are many local Shan villages in the Lanna region. Perhaps the most accessible is Baan Mok Cham above Thaton situated along the Kok River. It was founded in the early 1960s by, amongst others, the son of Sao Shwe Thaik, the first president of modern independent Burma. There are lots of Shan villages in the Pai and Mae Hong Son areas. There are a few good Shan restaurants in Chiang Mai, search the forum. There is the woman operating a food stall in the market in MHS who all Burmese and Shans make a morning pilgrimage to when visiting MHS for her amazing tofu dishes. But traveling through the Shan State is really not an option apart form a very small number of NGOs or your first name is Bertril.

On a visit over the loop Tak, Mae Sot, Mai Hon Son, CM, Tak just a week ago we found many Shan in the northern towns and a very unhappy group of Burmese Immigration Officers when we suggested an unescorted trip into the north! Why don't you check out the huge refugee camp out Mai Hon Son way?

[SDH]

Tai Yai land is more commonly referred to as the Shan State in northeast Burma. Politically, it is in shambles now, as is the Karen State. It is not a region that is easily accessible other than the larger garrison towns. But there are many local Shan villages in the Lanna region. Perhaps the most accessible is Baan Mok Cham above Thaton situated along the Kok River. It was founded in the early 1960s by, amongst others, the son of Sao Shwe Thaik, the first president of modern independent Burma. There are lots of Shan villages in the Pai and Mae Hong Son areas. There are a few good Shan restaurants in Chiang Mai, search the forum. There is the woman operating a food stall in the market in MHS who all Burmese and Shans make a morning pilgrimage to when visiting MHS for her amazing tofu dishes. But traveling through the Shan State is really not an option apart form a very small number of NGOs or your first name is Bertril.

On a visit over the loop Tak, Mae Sot, Mai Hon Son, CM, Tak just a week ago we found many Shan in the northern towns and a very unhappy group of Burmese Immigration Officers when we suggested an unescorted trip into the north! Why don't you check out the huge refugee camp out Mai Hon Son way?

Thanks for your help!

[orang37]

Sawasdee Khrup, Khun SDH,

The thought just came to me this morning, that if you wanted to be in a place with "hotels and power," and get to see a wonderful festival, where many of the diverse ethnic groups in Yunnan, as well as groups from other countries like Brazil, Latvia, etc., will parade, dance, and so on:

Well, tomorrow's your day: hop on a plane to Kunming, for the Kunming Carnival, which runs from April 29 to May 1.

Here are pictures from last year's Carnival: http://en.kunming.cn/subject/node_35980.htm

Here are the international troupes that will come for this year's Carnival: http://en.kunming.cn/index/content/2013-04/19/content_3268991.htm

Here's a schedule for this year's Carnival: http://​http://en.kunming.cn/index/content/2013-04/26/content_3277336.htm

I had been planning a trip to Kunming in May, and if I had realized earlier when the Festival was happening, I would have tried to get there for it.

yours, ~o:37;

[SDH]

Sawasdee Khrup, Khun SDH,

The thought just came to me this morning, that if you wanted to be in a place with "hotels and power," and get to see a wonderful festival, where many of the diverse ethnic groups in Yunnan, as well as groups from other countries like Brazil, Latvia, etc., will parade, dance, and so on:

Well, tomorrow's your day: hop on a plane to Kunming, for the Kunming Carnival, which runs from April 29 to May 1.

Here are pictures from last year's Carnival: http://en.kunming.cn/subject/node_35980.htm

Here are the international troupes that will come for this year's Carnival: http://en.kunming.cn/index/content/2013-04/19/content_3268991.htm

Here's a schedule for this year's Carnival: http://​http://en.kunming.cn/index/content/2013-04/26/content_3277336.htm

I had been planning a trip to Kunming in May, and if I had realized earlier when the Festival was happening, I would have tried to get there for it.

yours, ~o:37;

Just my luck, I'm in India right now, won't be back until the 1st to CM....

Looks like so much fun, kind of amazing to see the Brazilian like atmosphere there!