Some people saw the insanity of war and made their choices based on what they knew to be true. How many guys volunteered for Nam? Granted, there's always going to be some, and even some who served multiple tours. But most were drafted and if they had the choice wouldn't have gone. Remember, Nam was the largest draft ever.

It is no secret that most people are selfish and would avoid service and taxes for that matter while reaping all the benifits of living in a free country.

There was a draft during World War II also. How about if everyone had refused to go to that one?

Luckily, the fashion back then was to do one's duty.

However blindly.

Lots of us lived the story - but still didn't buy the official line.

Yeah?

Where did you live it?

Haight Asbury?

Lots of us lived the story - but still didn't buy the official line.

Yeah?

Where did you live it?

Haight Asbury?

He was Jerry Garcia's shoe-shine guy.

Yes, Boon, the only reason people didn't go to Nam or buy the bullshit was because they were tripped out.

It certainly couldn't have been because they were rational.

Lots of us lived the story - but still didn't buy the official line.

Yeah?

Where did you live it?

Haight Asbury?

He was Jerry Garcia's shoe-shine guy.

Jerry owning shoes that could be shined, yeah right.

More likely the fall guy with dime bag.

Yes, Boon, the only reason people didn't go to Nam or buy the bullshit was because they were tripped out.

Well, K. Tippaporn, by the adolescent style of your writing, I'd say you wern't even born when Vietnam came around...

they just bouight the story .....

Yeah, well, some of us lived the story too...

wow Boon! if you LIVED it you'd know that Vietnam was NEVER a WAR ...Never Declared .. and silliness in the extreme ... You tried the Tonkin Gulf thing before but you know that that was about anything but what was going on ... and the situation that got the resolution passed was fabricated out of full cloth.

yeah ... well ... seems like many people old enough to have lived through the USA's involvement in Vietnam just never looked at the facts .. they just bouight the story .....

Yes, and most of them were young people who were trying to avoid serving in the military for selfish reasons or others who were just into the trendy anti-war movement of the 60s - fashion with no thought at all.

Uselessly G ..... That's funny ... "most were young" ... well DUH they didn't draft the OLD ... and selfish reasons? 1) they thought it was unjust 2) It wasn't a war 3) It was mostly the educated that fought the US involvement there ... 4) I guess getting beaten or shot for NOT fighting is just being 'trendy' It was thought with no fashion at all ... not the opposite

Some people saw the insanity of war and made their choices based on what they knew to be true. How many guys volunteered for Nam? Granted, there's always going to be some, and even some who served multiple tours. But most were drafted and if they had the choice wouldn't have gone. Remember, Nam was the largest draft ever.

It is no secret that most people are selfish and would avoid service and taxes for that matter while reaping all the benifits of living in a free country.

There was a draft during World War II also. How about if everyone had refused to go to that one?

Luckily, the fashion back then was to do one's duty.

Uselessly ... more people volunteered for WW2 ... why? Even with the spin it was just not thought of as evil .. like Vietnam. As for service and Taxes ... such an empty staement ... not worth worrying about.

wow Boon! if you LIVED it you'd know that Vietnam was NEVER a WAR ...Never Declared .. and silliness in the extreme ... You tried the Tonkin Gulf thing before but you know that that was about anything but what was going on ... and the situation that got the resolution passed was fabricated out of full cloth.

Regardless of your strict definition of the term war, the Police Action might as well have been a war.

You got some of that Bill Clinton disease, jdinasia? - "depends on what the definition of "is" is?"

More likely the fall guy with dime bag.

Regardless of your strict definition of the term war, the Police Action might as well have been a war.

They WERE shooting at us!

jdinasia, rational thinking doesn't mean a hill of beans to these guys. They will accept only that which fits their personal view. Everything else is either ignored, ridiculed, non-existent, or rationalized in such a way as to make a force fit.

Regardless of your strict definition of the term war, the Police Action might as well have been a war.

They WERE shooting at us!

And the guy the moonbat liberals LOVE was in the rear with the gear - A Gore!

Yes, Boon, the only reason people didn't go to Nam or buy the bullshit was because they were tripped out.

Well, K. Tippaporn, by the adolescent style of your writing, I'd say you wern't even born when Vietnam came around...

Boon Mee, rational thinking doesn't mean a hill of beans to these guys. They will accept only that which fits their personal view. Everything else is either ignored, ridiculed, non-existent, or rationalized in such a way as to make a force fit.

Regardless of your strict definition of the term war, the Police Action might as well have been a war.

They WERE shooting at us!

And the guy the moonbat liberals LOVE was in the rear with the gear - A Gore!

I thought you were suppose to lead from behind?

He was leading the FNGs to the front.

jdinasia, rational thinking doesn't mean a hill of beans to these guys. They will accept only that which fits their personal view. Everything else is either ignored, ridiculed, non-existent, or rationalized in such a way as to make a force fit.

That's OK K. Tippaporn, you still have a chance to make a difference!

That's right - you too can join an organization to rid Iraq/Afganistan - wherever those nasty war-mongering GI's are and make your voice known.

And, if you get kidnapped by the freedom-loving 'insurgents', they'll always let you go in the end like that Christian Monitor chick today!

...if they don't cut your <deleted>' head off first...

Boon Mee, rational thinking doesn't mean a hill of beans to these guys. They will accept only that which fits their personal view. Everything else is either ignored, ridiculed, non-existent, or rationalized in such a way as to make a force fit.

Just earned yourself another -1, Porkie.

jdinasia, rational thinking doesn't mean a hill of beans to these guys. They will accept only that which fits their personal view. Everything else is either ignored, ridiculed, non-existent, or rationalized in such a way as to make a force fit.

That's OK K. Tippaporn, you still have a chance to make a difference!

That's right - you too can join an organization to rid Iraq/Afganistan - wherever those nasty war-mongering GI's are and make your voice known.

And, if you get kidnapped by the freedom-loving 'insurgents', they'll always let you go in the end like that Christian Monitor chick today!

...if they don't cut your <deleted>' head off first...

You can fix that with duct tape.

Regardless of your strict definition of the term war, the Police Action might as well have been a war.

They WERE shooting at us!

And the guy the moonbat liberals LOVE was in the rear with the gear - A Gore!

I thought you were suppose to lead from behind?

That thinking convinces the rest of the board you are still lost out there in the Far-Left Fever Swamps.

Shouldn't imagine Europe, Asia, the PI etc. were liberated if one took that view...

Boon Mee, rational thinking doesn't mean a hill of beans to these guys. They will accept only that which fits their personal view. Everything else is either ignored, ridiculed, non-existent, or rationalized in such a way as to make a force fit.

Just earned yourself another -1, Porkie.

Only to the absolutely witless.

Regardless of your strict definition of the term war, the Police Action might as well have been a war.

They WERE shooting at us!

And the guy the moonbat liberals LOVE was in the rear with the gear - A Gore!

I thought you were suppose to lead from behind?

That thinking convinces the rest of the board you are still lost out there in the Far-Left Fever Swamps.

Shouldn't imagine Europe, Asia, the PI etc. were liberated if one took that view...

Sorry, keep forgetting sarcasm doesn't carry well here.

Sorry, keep forgetting sarcasm doesn't carry well here.

Mai Pen Rai Krup

it has become obvious that these 2 have never served ...

Probably a bit too old for Vietnam ...

So Boon ... since (back to the topic) the Toonkin Gulf Resolution didn't apply to Jane Fonda .. since it was repealed before she went ... it was written NOT for actions in Vietnam but to cover Cambodia and Laos ... and the situation that got it created was fiction ... it pretty well blows everything you say ...

So ... what is it .. you are just one of thee guys that got your feelings hurt by the reality that the US has screwed up almost all their foriegn policy after WW2?

Why doesn't the US have the draft today? Oh yeah .. the Vietnam conflict era people grew up and won't trust the Gov't to do tht again. ...

it has become obvious that these 2 have never served ...

Please read the first rule in your signature before making idiotic claims that you can't prove.

it has become obvious that these 2 have never served ...

Probably a bit too old for Vietnam ...

So Boon ... since (back to the topic) the Toonkin Gulf Resolution didn't apply to Jane Fonda .. since it was repealed before she went ... it was written NOT for actions in Vietnam but to cover Cambodia and Laos ... and the situation that got it created was fiction ... it pretty well blows everything you say ...

So ... what is it .. you are just one of thee guys that got your feelings hurt by the reality that the US has screwed up almost all their foriegn policy after WW2?

Why doesn't the US have the draft today? Oh yeah .. the Vietnam conflict era people grew up and won't trust the Gov't to do tht again. ...

Or could be that the armed forces have enough people right now. Just a thought. BTW, the draft can still happen. Just because the government hasn't tried doen't mean tthey have stopped doing it.

it has become obvious that these 2 have never served ...

Probably a bit too old for Vietnam ...

So Boon ... since (back to the topic) the Toonkin Gulf Resolution didn't apply to Jane Fonda .. since it was repealed before she went ... it was written NOT for actions in Vietnam but to cover Cambodia and Laos ... and the situation that got it created was fiction ... it pretty well blows everything you say ...

So ... what is it .. you are just one of thee guys that got your feelings hurt by the reality that the US has screwed up almost all their foriegn policy after WW2?

Why doesn't the US have the draft today? Oh yeah .. the Vietnam conflict era people grew up and won't trust the Gov't to do tht again. ...

Or could be that the armed forces have enough people right now. Just a thought. BTW, the draft can still happen. Just because the government hasn't tried doen't mean tthey have stopped doing it.

Don't confuse him with common sense.

it has become obvious that these 2 have never served ...

Probably a bit too old for Vietnam ...

So Boon ... since (back to the topic) the Toonkin Gulf Resolution didn't apply to Jane Fonda .. since it was repealed before she went ... it was written NOT for actions in Vietnam but to cover Cambodia and Laos ... and the situation that got it created was fiction ... it pretty well blows everything you say ...

So ... what is it .. you are just one of thee guys that got your feelings hurt by the reality that the US has screwed up almost all their foriegn policy after WW2?

Why doesn't the US have the draft today? Oh yeah .. the Vietnam conflict era people grew up and won't trust the Gov't to do tht again. ...

Or could be that the armed forces have enough people right now. Just a thought. BTW, the draft can still happen. Just because the government hasn't tried doen't mean tthey have stopped doing it.

Don't confuse him with common sense.

Momma always said common sense ain't so common.

"all volunteer military" ... as far as "enough goes ... THAT is stupid ... have reservists and NG called up all over the world ...

But I see you guys always skip the real meat in a post and just hide behind simplistic rhetorric