Thai Police Say They Know Identities Of Central World Arson Suspects

[whybother]

There was F-all looting done.

Was Centralworld looted.

I don't think so as all the shops inside had their security barriers down as was shown the following day when the police entered.

The looting that took place was miniscule. Compare and contrast what happened recently in London.

Remember the jewellers who claimed police took off with their inventory.

The major losses were to the surrounding businesses (and i know some of them) who serously lost business over the 3 months of the protests.

The redshirts were allowed to use the toilets in Centralworld which was quite decent considering all the Abhisit activites in cutting off power, water and mobile connections.

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Didn't a red shirt die in the fire ... inside a shop. Doesn't look like the security barriers stopped anything.

[whybother]

Well I lived through both Brixton riots so I 've seen home grown looting and looting that occurred in the heart of Bangkok too.

I was here and heard the gunhote at the end of our soi.

Those shops looted were not your hi-so shopping but cheap local shops and those arrested for looting?

Seized with cheap watches, trainers etc. Trashy goods. Probably copies.

If the british police were similarly armed to the thai soldiers I expect the level of looting in the UK Brixton riots would have been much higher along with a commenserate death toll.

Civil unrest would have spread throughout the country.

Scarman report. In spades I warrant!

Centralworld shops were all barred and anyway the shop security staff were all forced out by the thai army at 4:40.

They could neither protect the building nor stop it from burning down. FACT.

There were 30,000 soldiers surrounding Centralworld by then but still it burnt.

Makes me not you wonder!

There were 10,000 people at the red shirt rally last week. Did you see the pictures of how much space they took up?

Do you really think there were 30,000 soldiers there? It would have taken them 4 hours to march down from Silom.

[whybother]

Yes i know ! it was'nt the redshirts who committed the act of terrorism at Suvarnabumi was it !

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Wasn't there a bunch of terrorists blockading Krabi airport last week? They said they were farmers, but if they blockaded the airport, they must have been terrorists.

[andrewfr]

See:

[GeorgeO]

How is it possible for the police to ask the public to confirm the identity of the alleged perpetrators whose details the police are refusing to release?

[indyuk]

Maybe some of the suspects might be the owners of Cenral World after all the building was not much more that a demolishion prospect due to years of cutting and shutting and its age.

Mmmmm I wonder who owns Central Festival in Pattaya because the time warp that only just about co-incident with the Central World's demise.

[AleG]

And as more evidence piles up, Red Shirt fans slide further and further into self delusion.

It's amusing, a little sad, but amusing to see this process.

Maybe some of the suspects might be the owners of Cenral World after all the building was not much more that a demolishion prospect due to years of cutting and shutting and its age.

Mmmmm I wonder who owns Central Festival in Pattaya because the time warp that only just about co-incident with the Central World's demise.

QED

[MrSlatersParrot]

no looting???

There was widespread looting depending how you define widespread in Big C and CentralWorld, and a few protesters died in the fires. The inside of almost all the shopping centers in the area were accessed and damaged as looters attempted to find items of value.

Most of the landlords and brands had been paying the redshirt protest leaders for access to their own shops, and had been removing as much inventory as they could in the weeks since the area was shut down. Each trip into the area required a payment for access, and it became increasingly expensive and difficult as time went on to get inside the area.

CentralWorld allowed access to some bathroom facilities alledgedly under threat of the building not being able to be 'protected' if they did not do so. Gaysorn, Hyatt and other buildings in the area are owned by related parties to the TRT/PTP/PPP governments (e.g. Intercon is owned by the family of former minister Pimol) and so may have been able to cut deals of protection and control (the mob were actually quite well behaved for the most part when asked to behave).

A number of protesters were caught 'red handed' so to speak as they left the area, with various goods and items that were looted. However, compared to London or New Orleans, the level of looting was far, far lower.

The reason why essential services were cut was because the red shirt protesters attempted to take control of rubbish trucks belonging to the BMA who until that point were still going and providing basic services to the area including collecting trash. Thereafter, very quickly the entire zone became a massive trash heap. Mobile services and water were cut IIRC when they set up the cordon around the area about 1 week prior to the actual clampdown, and was obviously leading to the clampdown to remove the protest.

There was not much 'peaceful' about the invasion of the Chula hospital, nor the documented violence. nor the physical assaults (including the one I personally enjoyed) on the outskirts of the borderline of their 'camp' for actions by the public perceived to be threats or otherwise. Nor the unauthorised searches and groping of embassy staff in the Langsuan area etc etc. Again, many, many red shirt protesters played no part in this.

Therefore to suggest there was f**-all looting is neither true nor accurate, nor reflective of the evidence and experience of those of us from that area of Bangkok.

So you agree "the level of looting was far, far lower. (compared to London...)"

The main difference was

a)in Bangkok it was very localised (in the centre of town)

massive fire power was brought to bare on the protestors.

Let's see about 2000 sheltered in Wat Pathum where they were subjected to an almost continuos barrage from troops staioned on the BTS above.

A total well below 5000 remained at the protest site on the last day.

They were disbursed by the army. The redshirt site was overun in the early afternoon.

Centralworld was abandoned at 4:40 pm by its staff and they were escorted from the premises by the thai army.

[MrSlatersParrot]

Well I lived through both Brixton riots so I 've seen home grown looting and looting that occurred in the heart of Bangkok too.

I was here and heard the gunhote at the end of our soi.

Those shops looted were not your hi-so shopping but cheap local shops and those arrested for looting?

Seized with cheap watches, trainers etc. Trashy goods. Probably copies.

If the british police were similarly armed to the thai soldiers I expect the level of looting in the UK Brixton riots would have been much higher along with a commenserate death toll.

Civil unrest would have spread throughout the country.

Scarman report. In spades I warrant!

Centralworld shops were all barred and anyway the shop security staff were all forced out by the thai army at 4:40.

They could neither protect the building nor stop it from burning down. FACT.

There were 30,000 soldiers surrounding Centralworld by then but still it burnt.

Makes me not you wonder!

There were 10,000 people at the red shirt rally last week. Did you see the pictures of how much space they took up?

Do you really think there were 30,000 soldiers there? It would have taken them 4 hours to march down from Silom.

There were in fact 60000 soldiers deployed.

Around 30000 were deployed in central Bangkok.

Further I think there were probably more than 10000 last week.

It usually depends on who is reporting it.

[OzMick]

So you agree "the level of looting was far, far lower. (compared to London...)"

The main difference was

a)in Bangkok it was very localised (in the centre of town)

massive fire power was brought to bare on the protestors.

Let's see about 2000 sheltered in Wat Pathum where they were subjected to an almost continuos barrage from troops staioned on the BTS above.

A total well below 5000 remained at the protest site on the last day.

They were disbursed by the army. The redshirt site was overun in the early afternoon.

Centralworld was abandoned at 4:40 pm by its staff and they were escorted from the premises by the thai army.

I often find your posts amusing, with their high levels of mis-information and general ignorance, but this one is a cracker! It seems your spell checker is working most of the time, but you lack a thesaurus.

FYI the red protesters were disbursed by Thaksin, they were dispersed by the army. And a "continuos" barrage that consisted of around 20 rounds (fired from M-16s with a cyclic rate around 600/minute) from the "massive firepower brought to bare" - one of your zanier efforts at rewriting history.

[AleG]

So you agree "the level of looting was far, far lower. (compared to London...)"

The main difference was

a)in Bangkok it was very localised (in the centre of town)

massive fire power was brought to bare on the protestors.

Let's see about 2000 sheltered in Wat Pathum where they were subjected to an almost continuos barrage from troops staioned on the BTS above.

A total well below 5000 remained at the protest site on the last day.

They were disbursed by the army. The redshirt site was overun in the early afternoon.

Centralworld was abandoned at 4:40 pm by its staff and they were escorted from the premises by the thai army.

I often find your posts amusing, with their high levels of mis-information and general ignorance, but this one is a cracker! It seems your spell checker is working most of the time, but you lack a thesaurus.

FYI the red protesters were disbursed by Thaksin, they were dispersed by the army. And a "continuos" barrage that consisted of around 20 rounds (fired from M-16s with a cyclic rate around 600/minute) from the "massive firepower brought to bare" - one of your zanier efforts at rewriting history.

No no it was a barrage, howitzers and everything. You can visit the crater on the location of the former temple still.

[waza]

no looting???

There was widespread looting depending how you define widespread in Big C and CentralWorld, and a few protesters died in the fires. The inside of almost all the shopping centers in the area were accessed and damaged as looters attempted to find items of value.

Most of the landlords and brands had been paying the redshirt protest leaders for access to their own shops, and had been removing as much inventory as they could in the weeks since the area was shut down. Each trip into the area required a payment for access, and it became increasingly expensive and difficult as time went on to get inside the area.

CentralWorld allowed access to some bathroom facilities alledgedly under threat of the building not being able to be 'protected' if they did not do so. Gaysorn, Hyatt and other buildings in the area are owned by related parties to the TRT/PTP/PPP governments (e.g. Intercon is owned by the family of former minister Pimol) and so may have been able to cut deals of protection and control (the mob were actually quite well behaved for the most part when asked to behave).

A number of protesters were caught 'red handed' so to speak as they left the area, with various goods and items that were looted. However, compared to London or New Orleans, the level of looting was far, far lower.

The reason why essential services were cut was because the red shirt protesters attempted to take control of rubbish trucks belonging to the BMA who until that point were still going and providing basic services to the area including collecting trash. Thereafter, very quickly the entire zone became a massive trash heap. Mobile services and water were cut IIRC when they set up the cordon around the area about 1 week prior to the actual clampdown, and was obviously leading to the clampdown to remove the protest.

There was not much 'peaceful' about the invasion of the Chula hospital, nor the documented violence. nor the physical assaults (including the one I personally enjoyed) on the outskirts of the borderline of their 'camp' for actions by the public perceived to be threats or otherwise. Nor the unauthorised searches and groping of embassy staff in the Langsuan area etc etc. Again, many, many red shirt protesters played no part in this.

Therefore to suggest there was f**-all looting is neither true nor accurate, nor reflective of the evidence and experience of those of us from that area of Bangkok.

So you agree "the level of looting was far, far lower. (compared to London...)"

The main difference was

a)in Bangkok it was very localised (in the centre of town)

massive fire power was brought to bare on the protestors.

Let's see about 2000 sheltered in Wat Pathum where they were subjected to an almost continuos barrage from troops staioned on the BTS above.

A total well below 5000 remained at the protest site on the last day.

They were disbursed by the army. The redshirt site was overun in the early afternoon.

Centralworld was abandoned at 4:40 pm by its staff and they were escorted from the premises by the thai army.

Funny but this video shows quite clearly that protestors stood around applauding as Central burned, However, there isn't a military person to be seen. I guess they left after stacking those tires against the entrances after they looted the place.

[Robby nz]

Let's see about 2000 sheltered in Wat Pathum where they were subjected to an almost continuos barrage from troops staioned on the BTS above.

Well Mrs S P I'm going to tell you once again that it was men in black who fired into and killed people in the temple.

We know from photos and videos they were in position to do so.

Now prove me wrong.

As for the silly OP:

The police are asking for people to help identify someone they know but who they wont name and wont release photos of... right.

Don't make it easy does it, or possibly it does for anyone will do right, as long as they have no connection with the reds or PT

[MrSlatersParrot]

A picture is worth a thousand words.

In this case quite a few of teh Centralworld staff's ordeal

[MrSlatersParrot]

#72:

WAZA video:

As is clearly shown here in your video Centralworld is burning down in broad daylight.

The area is apparently deserted around Centralworld.

THe centralworld staff were led out of the building at 4:40 pm apparently and noone returned until 10 pm by which time the building was ruined.

Where in the video are all the MIB, redshirt terrorists?

[MrSlatersParrot]

So you agree "the level of looting was far, far lower. (compared to London...)"

The main difference was

a)in Bangkok it was very localised (in the centre of town)

massive fire power was brought to bare on the protestors.

Let's see about 2000 sheltered in Wat Pathum where they were subjected to an almost continuos barrage from troops staioned on the BTS above.

A total well below 5000 remained at the protest site on the last day.

They were disbursed by the army. The redshirt site was overun in the early afternoon.

Centralworld was abandoned at 4:40 pm by its staff and they were escorted from the premises by the thai army.

I often find your posts amusing, with their high levels of mis-information and general ignorance, but this one is a cracker! It seems your spell checker is working most of the time, but you lack a thesaurus.

FYI the red protesters were disbursed by Thaksin, they were dispersed by the army. And a "continuos" barrage that consisted of around 20 rounds (fired from M-16s with a cyclic rate around 600/minute) from the "massive firepower brought to bare" - one of your zanier efforts at rewriting history.

There were in fact 120,000 rounds fired by the army during their Bangkok "campaign."

Furthermore some 2,500 sniper rounds also were used.

Most of those who died were killed by high velocity shots to the head.

Many people were seriously injured by these sniper rounds but I digress.

[MrSlatersParrot]

See:

Isn't he now a government minister?

[GentlemanJim]

There were in fact 120,000 rounds fired by the army during their Bangkok "campaign."

Furthermore some 2,500 sniper rounds also were used.

Most of those who died were killed by high velocity shots to the head.

Many people were seriously injured by these sniper rounds but I digress.

Well the Army must be crap shots then with only 90 dead, that would be about a 0.07% accuracy rate. As for sniper rounds, if Army snipers were employed then for 90 dead they would use.......90 rounds!

[OzMick]

There were in fact 120,000 rounds fired by the army during their Bangkok "campaign."

Furthermore some 2,500 sniper rounds also were used.

Most of those who died were killed by high velocity shots to the head.

Many people were seriously injured by these sniper rounds but I digress.

120,000 rounds fired, so more 119,500 were either very badly aimed at a wall of people, or intentionally aimed off to scare rather than injure. Would you like me to calculate that as a percentage for you?

Most of those who died were killed by high velocity shots to the head. But very few soldiers were shot, despite the presence of black shirts armed with military rifles. Makes you wonder who THEY were shooting, doesn't it? What exactly was their purpose?

[whybother]

There were in fact 60000 soldiers deployed.

Around 30000 were deployed in central Bangkok.

Further I think there were probably more than 10000 last week.

It usually depends on who is reporting it.

If there were 30,000 soldiers surrounding Central World, then that would have been about twice as many that were there last week.

They wouldn't have had room to move.

Just another piece of BS from you.

[whybother]

A picture is worth a thousand words.

In this case quite a few of teh Centralworld staff's ordeal

Yes. Central world staff being shot at by black shirts camped inside Central World before they burned it down.

[MrSlatersParrot]

A picture is worth a thousand words.

In this case quite a few of teh Centralworld staff's ordeal

Yes. Central world staff being shot at by black shirts camped inside Central World before they burned it down.

You're just having a laugh

[whybother]

A picture is worth a thousand words.

In this case quite a few of teh Centralworld staff's ordeal

Yes. Central world staff being shot at by black shirts camped inside Central World before they burned it down.

You're just having a laugh:lol:

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Where is there any evidence of it being otherwise?

[Insight]

This video shows the red shirts having a bit of a jolly around their new camp fire:

This video shows the red shirts at Din Daeng receiving orders to burn everything:

I've heard there's an effort being made to remove such videos from YouTube. Perhaps now would be a good time to somehow archive your favourite red-shirt-burning-of-CTW-and-elsewhere videos to hard disk.

/edit p.s. I find it utterly amazing that a mysterious non-red-shirt force - being blamed for killing all these red shirts - could get into camp red and set fire to the whole Zen section of CTW, closest to the red stage, clearly at the pleasure of the red shirts, without coming under attack themselves.

Anyway, here's our friend Jeff again (coz it is relevant ):

Edited May 24, 2013 by Insight

[MrSlatersParrot]

This video shows the red shirts having a bit of a jolly around their new camp fire:

This video shows the red shirts at Din Daeng receiving orders to burn everything:

I've heard there's an effort being made to remove such videos from YouTube. Perhaps now would be a good time to somehow archive your favourite red-shirt-burning-of-CTW-and-elsewhere videos to hard disk.

/edit p.s. I find it utterly amazing that a mysterious non-red-shirt force - being blamed for killing all these red shirts - could get into camp red and set fire to the whole Zen section of CTW, closest to the red stage, clearly at the pleasure of the red shirts, without coming under attack themselves.

Anyway, here's our friend Jeff again (coz it is relevant ):

That's the point though isn't it.

Looters,arsonists, redshirts, call them what you like they did burn down Zen.

I'm amazed at the video of Centralworld burning down almost exactly 3 years ago late afternoon.

Cameramen milling around. Onlookers,locals, redshirts looking on.

Why was it that the fire engines didn't arrive until 10 pm?

The public it seems were invited to observe this spectacle of a massive department store burning down and no-one was there to try and save the site.

Amazing.

For whose edification was this display presented?

We now know that Centralworld wanted their own instore staff to return after leavinh at 4:40 pm to return at 7 pm to save their shop.

For reasons unknown the army wouldn't allow it.

Later Abhisit claimed the redshirts prevented the fire brigade from presenting.

I would love to hear what they the fire brigade have to say and furthermore I would love to hear what the security and ancillary staff/shopkeepers present on the day have to say.

It's been 3 years now.

[OzMick]

That's the point though isn't it.

Looters,arsonists, redshirts, call them what you like they did burn down Zen.

I'm amazed at the video of Centralworld burning down almost exactly 3 years ago late afternoon.

Cameramen milling around. Onlookers,locals, redshirts looking on.

Why was it that the fire engines didn't arrive until 10 pm?

The public it seems were invited to observe this spectacle of a massive department store burning down and no-one was there to try and save the site.

Amazing.

For whose edification was this display presented?

We now know that Centralworld wanted their own instore staff to return after leavinh at 4:40 pm to return at 7 pm to save their shop.

For reasons unknown the army wouldn't allow it.

Later Abhisit claimed the redshirts prevented the fire brigade from presenting.

I would love to hear what they the fire brigade have to say and furthermore I would love to hear what the security and ancillary staff/shopkeepers present on the day have to say.

It's been 3 years now.

Are you deliberately obtuse? You have finally admitted that the looting redshirt arsonists burnt Centralworld, but now its the army's fault because the fire engines didn't come. Do you think that arsonists appreciate firemen spoiling their fun? Is it not possible that these armed persons in full dummy-spit mode might prevent firemen from dousing their flames by attacking them?

Sorry, I haven't got a video of that, so it obviously didn't happen.

[Pi Sek]

That's the point though isn't it.

Looters,arsonists, redshirts, call them what you like they did burn down Zen.

I'm amazed at the video of Centralworld burning down almost exactly 3 years ago late afternoon.

Cameramen milling around. Onlookers,locals, redshirts looking on.

Why was it that the fire engines didn't arrive until 10 pm?

The public it seems were invited to observe this spectacle of a massive department store burning down and no-one was there to try and save the site.

Amazing.

For whose edification was this display presented?

We now know that Centralworld wanted their own instore staff to return after leavinh at 4:40 pm to return at 7 pm to save their shop.

For reasons unknown the army wouldn't allow it.

Later Abhisit claimed the redshirts prevented the fire brigade from presenting.

I would love to hear what they the fire brigade have to say and furthermore I would love to hear what the security and ancillary staff/shopkeepers present on the day have to say.

It's been 3 years now.

Are you deliberately obtuse? You have finally admitted that the looting redshirt arsonists burnt Centralworld, but now its the army's fault because the fire engines didn't come. Do you think that arsonists appreciate firemen spoiling their fun? Is it not possible that these armed persons in full dummy-spit mode might prevent firemen from dousing their flames by attacking them?

Sorry, I haven't got a video of that, so it obviously didn't happen.

I remember news at the time saying the firefighters were being prevented from working and being shot at. As we all know the Red Shirts were unarmed (!), it must have been the army.

[Insight]

Are you deliberately obtuse?

Is there any other explanation?

[Mosha]

See:

Isn't he now a government minister?

Not yet fortunately

Edited May 24, 2013 by Mosha

[Mosha]

Are you deliberately obtuse?

Is there any other explanation?

The Macaw's a Troll. I know it takes one to know one, and as I've had a warning that makes me qualified.

Edited May 24, 2013 by Mosha