Abhisit, Suthep face murder charges

[GentlemanJim]

I cant see this desicion as a laughing matter. What i think is real is that the the public riots in 2010 could have been solved with a totally different metod, like water cannons, massive tear gas and so on. No need to go in with blazing guns and snipers. If we look at the arab spring, the top guys who tried to resolve the uprising the same way now find them self in the dock, some have even been given life sentence.

The reds/blackshirts were armed and had already used those munitions. First rule of a fight, if you can't walk away (because the city is being destroyed both physically and economically) then you don't take a water cannon to a gun fight.

[bigbamboo]

I thought the judges said it was LIKELY that these men were killed by soldiers,not that

they were.

regards Worgeordie

Correct. The conclusion was that the victims were killed by high-powered rifles, the same type used by the Army, although there is no tangible evidence that the weapons were fired by troops. We are, however, all aware that large caches of these weapons and ammo were removed from a military base prior to the riots, so the evidence is, at best, circumstantial.

The case will have be thrown out. If I am proven wrong, and it isn't, then the justice system in Thailand becomes an even greater mockery on the world stage than it already is, and many individuals, and companies, will find themselves needing to reconsider their presence here.

What I find remarkable is that those clowns such as Jatuporn, Arisman and Nattawut have not been convicted of terrorism, inciting riot, inciting arson and other grievous charges, all based upon video evidence, whilst they continue to chase Abhisit and Suthep with such trumped up nonsense...!!?

I think you'll find that the red shirts you mention were also (to use the DSI's parlance)'only following orders'.

[waza]

Good, and so they should.

Next I'd like to see Thaksin being charged with more of the crimes he committed/oversaw/ordered.

It is about time the powers that be got their comeuppance, irrespective of their political or social position

"Now, during the time of this government, under Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, this very same Tarit is doing his best to crusade against the opposition Democrat Party.

.......As soon as she took over as premier, Tarit was clever enough to cut down the number of political cases in his hand from the 281 he had in 2010 during Abhisit Vejjajiva's time to 48 cases last year and to just four cases this year.

.....He chose to drop several cases against members of the ruling Pheu Thai Party and the red shirts.

.....In fact, even Yingluck benefited as Tarit chose to drop her asset concealment case.

.....A total of 39 red shirts found themselves off the hook as Tarit decided to throw away the lese majeste charges filed against them.

....Former Pheu Thai MP and core red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan also found himself free of the lese majeste charge

....It is rumoured that Tarit has managed to get into direct contact with Thaksin, and apparently it's not good news for the Democrats"

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/DSI-chief-is-proving-to-be-a-powerful-political-to-30182713.html

It is an advantage to have a hatchet men who makes things go away.

Edited June 15, 2013 by waza

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DSI nails down Abhisit, Suthep in 2010 political upheaval
By Digital Media



BANGKOK, June 15 – The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) has decided to officially file charges of premeditated murder against former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his deputy Suthep Thaugsuban.

DSI director general Tarit Pengdith said a tripartite committee, comprising the attorney general, police and DSI, agreed that the two Democrat Party executives were responsible for the deaths of Pan Kamkong and Kunakorn Srisuwan, and the injury of Samorn Maithong, who joined a political rally in Bangkok in 2010.

The military was responsible for the suppression against demonstrators under an order of the defunct Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) under the supervision of Mr Abhisit and Mr Suthep, the then-deputy prime minister.

Mr Tarit said the two politicians violated the Criminal Law in the premeditated murders.

Though it was clear that victims were killed and injured by military personnel, it could not be pinpointed as yet who the specific shooters were, he said.

He said the DSI will summon Mr Abhisit and Mr Suthep to the Attorney General’s Executive Director Office on Wednesday. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2013-06-15

[FarangTalk]

I wonder how many TV contributors, especially the more " mature " of us will live long enough to see an end to this ?

I'm sure long before trial there will be various court appearances to discuss points of law, admissibility of witnesses and evidence and all the other aspects of the legal two step. In any case the Thai legal process can be torturously slow as it is.

Even if a verdict is actually reached, irrespective of what it may be, the appeal process will start and off we go again and by that time most of the country will have forgotten what it's all about.

Most of the country doesn't really know what it is all about and how it all really started. Discussion on those topics is conveniently verboten.

That chapter is about to be closed soon and a new one will begin, whether that period will see an end to it I very much doubt, more likely to worsen.

Too many greedy, unethical and immoral people already pushing and shoving to get in at the trough.

[FarangTalk]

Good, and so they should.

Next I'd like to see Thaksin being charged with more of the crimes he committed/oversaw/ordered.

It is about time the powers that be got their comeuppance, irrespective of their political or social position

"Now, during the time of this government, under Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, this very same Tarit is doing his best to crusade against the opposition Democrat Party.

.......As soon as she took over as premier, Tarit was clever enough to cut down the number of political cases in his hand from the 281 he had in 2010 during Abhisit Vejjajiva's time to 48 cases last year and to just four cases this year.

.....He chose to drop several cases against members of the ruling Pheu Thai Party and the red shirts.

.....In fact, even Yingluck benefited as Tarit chose to drop her asset concealment case.

.....A total of 39 red shirts found themselves off the hook as Tarit decided to throw away the lese majeste charges filed against them.

....Former Pheu Thai MP and core red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan also found himself free of the lese majeste charge

....It is rumoured that Tarit has managed to get into direct contact with Thaksin, and apparently it's not good news for the Democrats"

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/DSI-chief-is-proving-to-be-a-powerful-political-to-30182713.html

It is an advantage to have a hatchet men who makes things go away.

All LM charges brought with political motive should be thrown out.

[FarangTalk]

Maybe Abhisit can do a runner like his mentor's brother.

[gl555]

Maybe Abhisit can do a runner like his mentor's brother.

He's not a coward like Thaksin. These charges are to force the Dems to

accept 'reconcillation'. Abhisit will never accept this. That's the difference betwern him and that piece of crap in Dubai. One does things to benefit one's self while the other doesn't mind facing jail time to do the right thing.

[Siripon]

Maybe Abhisit can do a runner like his mentor's brother.

Both he and Suthep have already said they won't run away like Thaksin.

[FarangTalk]

Maybe Abhisit can do a runner like his mentor's brother.

Both he and Suthep have already said they won't run away like Thaksin.

We'll see.

A lot of Thais tend to say things that, in the end, are not true.

Let's be honest, you'd have to be one of the 17% medically retarded to believe anything Suthep says.

Perhaps Abhisit's mentor Chuan Leekpai can ask his brother for advice on how to do a runner to escape going to jail if Abhisit does decide to 'lam it.'

[BanTamo]

Richly deserved

[oldsailor35]

I cant see this desicion as a laughing matter. What i think is real is that the the public riots in 2010 could have been solved with a totally different metod, like water cannons, massive tear gas and so on. No need to go in with blazing guns and snipers. If we look at the arab spring, the top guys who tried to resolve the uprising the same way now find them self in the dock, some have even been given life sentence.

These control methods should and would be acceptable. But to send fully armed troops in and then not expect them to use those arms sound to be beyond comprehension. They knew that they had carte blanche to use their weapons having been instructed by Khun Suthep to clear the protesters, even though those protesters were told by the govt to retire to the temple which then came under fire. Was there a written instruction or not, these things have to be cleared up once and for all and only the court can do it.

[oldsailor35]

I cant see this desicion as a laughing matter. What i think is real is that the the public riots in 2010 could have been solved with a totally different metod, like water cannons, massive tear gas and so on. No need to go in with blazing guns and snipers. If we look at the arab spring, the top guys who tried to resolve the uprising the same way now find them self in the dock, some have even been given life sentence.

Those methods were tried, the peaceful Red Shirts literally dismantled a water canon truck in front of Lumphini park.

Besides that, you can't go in with tear gas against grenades.

Anybody would think, according to some here that the protesters engaged in an all out grenade attack. So just who threw these grenades and how many were there, did they come from the protesters or the masked men in black who apparently, were all wearing army boots ?

Edited June 15, 2013 by oldsailor35

[oldsailor35]

I cant see this desicion as a laughing matter. What i think is real is that the the public riots in 2010 could have been solved with a totally different metod, like water cannons, massive tear gas and so on. No need to go in with blazing guns and snipers. If we look at the arab spring, the top guys who tried to resolve the uprising the same way now find them self in the dock, some have even been given life sentence.

What, like the tear gas that the police used on the yellows that blew the legs of at least 4 people and killed 2 (note that was the police clearing the yellows the ones that wouldnt clear the reds.

As i understand it, those old Chinese tear gas grenades were withdrawn when found to be defective. So for your information and question on T/G grenades the answer is NO!

[oldsailor35]

I've said it before, as far as I am concerned, the SoE that was in operation at the time is their very simple get out of jail free card.

Wish we could all see it in black and white ! this would clear everything conserning this admin fiasco up, once and for all.

[billd766]

Maybe Abhisit can do a runner like his mentor's brother.

Red Shirts do things like that.

The names Thaksin and Arisman spring instantly to mind.

Yellow Shirts like Sonthi are still in country, as are Abhisit and Suthep.

[oldsailor35]

I've said it before, as far as I am concerned, the SoE that was in operation at the time is their very simple get out of jail free card.

Of course it was. The army wasn't going to hang themselves without getting the legal plan in place.

But trying to get abhisit is stupid. Using a law like this criminalises any politician for ordering the army to intervene in Thailand against Thais.

What is the legal difference between this and the army acting in the south?

Obviously you do not have a clue. The southern situation is based on outright "terrorism" whereas the Bangkok situation was based on legitimate protest.

[oldsailor35]

I cant see this desicion as a laughing matter. What i think is real is that the the public riots in 2010 could have been solved with a totally different metod, like water cannons, massive tear gas and so on. No need to go in with blazing guns and snipers. If we look at the arab spring, the top guys who tried to resolve the uprising the same way now find them self in the dock, some have even been given life sentence.

The reds/blackshirts were armed and had already used those munitions. First rule of a fight, if you can't walk away (because the city is being destroyed both physically and economically) then you don't take a water cannon to a gun fight.

Blackshirts armed and issued with army boots ?

Edited June 15, 2013 by oldsailor35

[FarangTalk]

It is stupid because we shouldn't be blamed for our father's sins. And Abhisit was one of this country's more honest PMs so him coming into politics was a good thing. I mean put him side by side with that criminal hiding in Dubai. One truly wants to better the country while the other truly wants to enrich himself.

How was he one of the country's most honest PMs?

He lied several times in office. His record in office was also abysmal.

Look at Abhisit's cabinet? What truly honest man would allow any of those people anywhere near the government of a country?

What honest man would bend over and take it from Newin just to get a chance to grab power?

No honest, moral or upstanding man is the answer.

Waken up.

Edited June 15, 2013 by FarangTalk

[jaidam]

I've said it before, as far as I am concerned, the SoE that was in operation at the time is their very simple get out of jail free card.

Of course it was. The army wasn't going to hang themselves without getting the legal plan in place.

But trying to get abhisit is stupid. Using a law like this criminalises any politician for ordering the army to intervene in Thailand against Thais.

What is the legal difference between this and the army acting in the south?

Obviously you do not have a clue. The southern situation is based on outright "terrorism" whereas the Bangkok situation was based on legitimate protest.

Terrorism is the use of terror to achieve political aims. Whether that be in the south, using violence with the goal of getting autonomy, or in Bangkok using violence with the goal of overthrowing a government. There is no such thing as terrorism-lite just because you support their goal.

[FarangTalk]

The biggest problem here for Abhisit is that while in office he didn't have a mandate from the people.

[oldsailor35]

Maybe Abhisit can do a runner like his mentor's brother.

It really makes me cringe when the only presentation to this discussion is by certain members who can only donate some stupid reply concerning Thaksin. They have nothing constructive to say whatsoever.

[FarangTalk]

Maybe Abhisit can do a runner like his mentor's brother.

It really makes me cringe when the only presentation to this discussion is by certain members who can only donate some stupid reply concerning Thaksin. They have nothing constructive to say whatsoever.

I was refering to Raluek Leekpai, not Thaksin.

[Chrisswe]

DSI must do it , it's there's duty, and show the Thai people's and the world that's Thailand has an functionally Juridical system !!

[gl555]

Name me a better and more honest PM. Thaksin? Samark? Yingluck? I never said he was the perfect PM. But of all the scum that have taken that position, he was one of the better ones.

You criticize Abhisit's cabinets. Take a look at all the honest people there are now in Yingluck's cabinet.

He's not perfect but he sure as hell was much better than Thaksin and his subsequent successor cronies.

Remove the red blinders from your eyes.

It is stupid because we shouldn't be blamed for our father's sins. And Abhisit was one of this country's more honest PMs so him coming into politics was a good thing. I mean put him side by side with that criminal hiding in Dubai. One truly wants to better the country while the other truly wants to enrich himself.

How was he one of the country's most honest PMs?

He lied several times in office. His record in office was also abysmal.

Look at Abhisit's cabinet? What truly honest man would allow any of those people anywhere near the government of a country?

What honest man would bend over and take it from Newin just to get a chance to grab power?

No honest, moral or upstanding man is the answer.

Waken up.

[oldsailor35]

Violent times in the history of the RTA and RTP will come and go and quickly be forgotten and they will maintain a clean sheet. How many still remember the southern insurgents who were suffocated when put into unventilated trucks. Or the thousands of Cambodians who were pushed over the cliffs and died from the fall, or landed in minefields, by the RTA at Anchor Wat a few years ago, or the Rohingas who were pushed back out to sea down south, only to die.

Does anybody really care as long as their chosen political party survives.

Edited June 15, 2013 by oldsailor35

[FarangTalk]

Name me a better and more honest PM. Thaksin? Samark? Yingluck? I never said he was the perfect PM. But of all the scum that have taken that position, he was one of the better ones.

You criticize Abhisit's cabinets. Take a look at all the honest people there are now in Yingluck's cabinet.

He's not perfect but he sure as hell was much better than Thaksin and his subsequent successor cronies.

Remove the red blinders from your eyes.

You seem to think that I have a dog in this fight or I am some sort of Thaksin supporter.

You couldn't be farther from the truth.

So far you have gone from touting Abhisit as an honest man to comparing him with other PM's to he's the best of a bad bunch and he's "not perfect."

I would however say that Thaksin's first tenure and arguably his second was far better than Abhisit's debacle of a premiership.

[gl555]

You seem to think that I have a dog in this fight or I am some sort of Thaksin supporter.

You couldn't be farther from the truth.

So far you have gone from touting Abhisit as an honest man to comparing him with other PM's to he's the best of a bad bunch and he's "not perfect."

I would however say that Thaksin's first tenure and arguably his second was far better than Abhisit's debacle of a premiership.

No. Learn to read. I said he was one of the more honest PM's in this country. Why don't you name me a PM who was more honest then Abhisit?

As for Thaksin tenure as PM, sure it was great! His war on drugs, how he handled the south, especially Tak Bai and how much he enriched himself and his friends. It was wonderful! The number of people who died during the May 'peaceful protests' is just a fraction of people killed during Thaksin's regime. Good times!

[Thaddeus]

Extra-judicial killings by Thai forces continue to happen along the border with Cambodia on an alarmingly regular basis.

Not of law abiding citizens they don't.

[smedly]

there's a serious spelling issue with the OP, they spelt retaliation as relation