PM urged to condemn attack by red shirts

[Bluespunk]

The only reason they choose to wear masks is so hopefully people don't realise they are the same yellow faces that have been obstructing democracy for 8 years now.

When/where did peacefully criticising the government become "obstructing democracy"? Is violence against the white masks "supporting democracy"?

Is this the red shirt version of "democracy"?

They are openly calling for a military coup to overthrow the democratically elected government.

As opposed to occupying the centre of Bangkok, murdering civilians and soldiers, storming hospitals and trying to burn down Bangkok when the army moved on them.

[yoshiwara]

Thank you for accusing me of wearing red glasses but I am definitely not a red shirt supporter nor am I a yellow shirt supporter. Personally I think they are as bad as each other. I sit on the fence and watch and haven't taken sides. It appears that you have chosen you side. Maybe it is easier to make an observation if you do not have bias opinion.

If you have noticed some of my other posts I condemn both sides on certain issues.

Some people seem to think that by taking the stance that both sides are as bad as each other, that must automatically make their position neutral. It does not. In terms of violence, intimidation and destruction, the red shirt movement has been responsible for a lot more than any other group (this incident being a prime example of how they operate).

Failing to acknowledge the differences that separate the red shirt movement from others, and attempting as you are, to label them all as bad as each other, is just a backhanded attempt at playing down what the red shirts are guilty of. It is the sort of approach i have observed in quite a number of people who were once vocal in their support of the reds, and who still deep down have their sympathies in that direction, but who have realized that actually defending the red shirts has become too difficult a task with all that they have done in the last few years, and so instead they take a different approach, that of attempting to distribute the blame out equally on all sides.

Excellent observation.

[Thait Spot]

 

The only reason they choose to wear masks is so hopefully people don't realise they are the same yellow faces that have been obstructing democracy for 8 years now.

When/where did peacefully criticising the government become "obstructing democracy"? Is violence against the white masks "supporting democracy"?

 

Is this the red shirt version of "democracy"?

 

They are openly calling for a military coup to overthrow the democratically elected government.

They are perfectly entitled to do so in a democratic society.

Perhaps you can prove that they have?

[mikemac]

I see a certain "teacher" is out on a weekend pass and found access to a compooter !

[Robby nz]

Always amuses me how those that support the PT Govt and the red shirts on this forum like to call anything and anyone who disagrees with them yellow.

Cant you few work out that yellow is way in the past, years in the past.

These people who are coming out and protesting now have genuine grievences against the Govt and its policies.

Groups like those who chose to wear white masks, Thai Spring, the Doctors and health workers who want answers about P2P, teachers and parents who are against school closures, those who were recently called garbage, the farmers and poor who protested in BKK, the elderly in Phitsanalok who were given rotten rice and many more small groups.

These people are not yellow and for the most part have nothing to do with the yellow shirts of the past, sure if you look hard enough you may be able to associate someone from the past with one group or another but that doesn't paint the whole group the same color.

It is equally as stupid to call posters on there who express opinions uncomplimentary to the Govt any particular color or try to lump them into any grouping.

[jackspratt]

Some people seem to think that by taking the stance that both sides are as bad as each other, that must automatically make their position neutral. It does not. In terms of violence, intimidation and destruction, the red shirt movement has been responsible for a lot more than any other group (this incident being a prime example of how they operate).

Failing to acknowledge the differences that separate the red shirt movement from others, and attempting as you are, to label them all as bad as each other, is just a backhanded attempt at playing down what the red shirts are guilty of. It is the sort of approach i have observed in quite a number of people who were once vocal in their support of the reds, and who still deep down have their sympathies in that direction, but who have realized that actually defending the red shirts has become too difficult a task with all that they have done in the last few years, and so instead they take a different approach, that of attempting to distribute the blame out equally on all sides.

Excellent observation.

I would have thought more like shades of GW Bush.

[chooka]

Thank you for accusing me of wearing red glasses but I am definitely not a red shirt supporter nor am I a yellow shirt supporter. Personally I think they are as bad as each other. I sit on the fence and watch and haven't taken sides. It appears that you have chosen you side. Maybe it is easier to make an observation if you do not have bias opinion.

If you have noticed some of my other posts I condemn both sides on certain issues.

Some people seem to think that by taking the stance that both sides are as bad as each other, that must automatically make their position neutral. It does not. In terms of violence, intimidation and destruction, the red shirt movement has been responsible for a lot more than any other group (this incident being a prime example of how they operate).

Failing to acknowledge the differences that separate the red shirt movement from others, and attempting as you are, to label them all as bad as each other, is just a backhanded attempt at playing down what the red shirts are guilty of. It is the sort of approach i have observed in quite a number of people who were once vocal in their support of the reds, and who still deep down have their sympathies in that direction, but who have realized that actually defending the red shirts has become too difficult a task with all that they have done in the last few years, and so instead they take a different approach, that of attempting to distribute the blame out equally on all sides.

Excellent observation.

Well at least I have never been in support of the red/yellow shirts.

[Malthus101]

Hardly looks like an attack but more like a staged event. You have six people wearing red clothing and one with a mask. Everyone seems to be in party mood with happy smiling faces. Look at the pic, that is definitely staged. The guy in red is smiling and the little woman in the stripes is apparently being held back by the invisible man.

Not sure how you came to this conclusion.

There is another video of the Red Shirts burning posters and banners of white masks. I thought that staring fires was appropriate(typical behavior) of Reds Shirts.

Ha! The world's doziest cameraman! There are people in the shot pointing passed him at a fight breaking out and he still just wanders forward filming... not very much.

What a dumbo!

(I dig the V for Vendetta masks - I'd join them just coz they look cooler)

[OzMick]

Well at least I have never been in support of the red/yellow shirts.

I see no reason not to support one or other group WHILE there is a common goal. I would support the KKK while their goal was removal of Thaksin from office.

[chooka]

Always amuses me how those that support the PT Govt and the red shirts on this forum like to call anything and anyone who disagrees with them yellow.

Cant you few work out that yellow is way in the past, years in the past.

These people who are coming out and protesting now have genuine grievences against the Govt and its policies.

Groups like those who chose to wear white masks, Thai Spring, the Doctors and health workers who want answers about P2P, teachers and parents who are against school closures, those who were recently called garbage, the farmers and poor who protested in BKK, the elderly in Phitsanalok who were given rotten rice and many more small groups.

These people are not yellow and for the most part have nothing to do with the yellow shirts of the past, sure if you look hard enough you may be able to associate someone from the past with one group or another but that doesn't paint the whole group the same color.

It is equally as stupid to call posters on there who express opinions uncomplimentary to the Govt any particular color or try to lump them into any grouping.

It goes the other way also many are grouped together as red supporters if they do not agree with an opinion or simply sit on the fence and refuse to take one side.

[Bkungbank]

Yingluck says in Mongolia and Maldives about democracy
speeches, why she is not practices on what she had preach?

[Thait Spot]

Yingluck says in Mongolia and Maldives about democracy

speeches, why she is not practices on what she had preach?

 

Crab say

Crab not do

[Bluespunk]

I wonder if Alan Moore gets a cut of the sales of those masks.

[chooka]

I wonder if Alan Moore gets a cut of the sales of those masks.

pirated copies so I guess not

[mrtoad]

Once again The Royal Thai Police - EPIC FAIL - (in doing their job professionally).

Cowards in brown.

Most of them in that particular region have already been paid off by The DL.

The PTP are going to have a hard job trying to control their rent a thugs, and will try to distance themselves from it, even though it's clear who they are organised by.

[GentlemanJim]

The only reason they choose to wear masks is so hopefully people don't realise they are the same yellow faces that have been obstructing democracy for 8 years now.

I knew it wouldn't be long before one of you came along, have we got the Sunday shift/roster sorted out, let us know when your shift finishes and I will come back to the forum.

The only reason they choose to wear masks is so hopefully people don't realise they are the same yellow faces that have been obstructing democracy for 8 years now.

When/where did peacefully criticising the government become "obstructing democracy"? Is violence against the white masks "supporting democracy"?

Is this the red shirt version of "democracy"?

They are openly calling for a military coup to overthrow the democratically elected government.

Any Democratically elected Government anywhere in the world that had LOST the amount of money that this Government had primarily by corruption and displaying a degree of nepotism that is truly breathtaking would be out already as the public and opposition would have demanded, impeachments and new elections.

What I find worrying is that someone that I believe is an expat is seriously supporting everything that the red movement so blatantly represents. It is leading to a Cambodian style of Government, is that acceptable RichTeacher?

What we have here is since Thaksin gave the stick to the reds, many people have established themselves as local 'leaders'. they wallow in their new perceived power and they are not going to surrender that power and will do anything to lead their local village idiots into believing that what they are doing is democratic.

My prediction for today. The V masks will gather, democratically and peacefully and reds will gather aggresively. The police will move in and move and arrest the V masks saying their presence is threatening peace. Rather than move and arrest the violent reds who are committing the crime, the V's will be moved.

I am unsure how this divide that the reds are making bigger and bigger can ever be mended. And all those expats supporting this, be very aware that if President Thaksin ever takes power, once the other 52% of Thailand are brought under control by the red mobs, then the expats will be next. You are a piece of s**t to these people, far far worse than they view a yellow, your time will come if you stay here and many of you will think, 'OMG, I supported this madness'! Karma has a way of ensuring payback is delivered.

[waza]

Once again The Royal Thai Police - EPIC FAIL - (in doing their job professionally).

Cowards in brown.

Most of them in that particular region have already been paid off by The DL.

The PTP are going to have a hard job trying to control their rent a thugs, and will try to distance themselves from it, even though it's clear who they are organised by.

heres a big hint........

[johnlandy]

Spin your earlier comments as you will, but when you state 'Everyone seems to be in a party mood with happy smiling faces.", you are denying the violence of the Red Shirts and you are taking the side of the Red Shirts who are trying their best to stop other Thai people from exercising their constitutional rights. Deny all you want but if you can't see the violent nature of the Red Shirt mob you truly are wearing RED glasses.

I don't support any political group in Thailand. I am against Thailand being destroyed by a man in Dubai who wants to be the Hun Sen of Thailand and who has the money, the political network, and the will to continue that quest.

Ok for the sake of peace I will chose a side just for you. O.K I chose Yellow and I hope that is in line with your thinking. Now I am going to have some redshirt supporter attack me and for the sake of peace I will have to chose red. It is not easy to sit on the fence when both sides are against you.

I looked at the pic again in the op and I still can't see any evidence of violence from either side a little to and fro from both sides but no violence.

I am on the side of my Thai family and friends, and like most intelligent Thais they know Thaksin is using the simple minded and greedy to full fill his desires for personal gain at the expense of all Thais.

'like most intelligent Thais' that's a bit of an oxymoron isn't it.

Anyone with half a brain would know that Toxin was serving his own (and friends & family) interests from the outset.

But as a recent poll showed 76% of al respondents thought corruption was acceptable 'what was unsaid was that this 76% would also benefit if given the opportunity'

When you have this, when 'every Thai child grows up to learn that lying, stealing, graft, corruption, anything that can be obtained illegally is fair game' comes under the umbrella of Thai culture what hope is there?

[ianf]

A few years back, just before the coup, the yellow, white,..., whatever shirts went protesting in the streets. They were then met with angry opposition. The whatever shirts don't do well in the streets. I think the coup was staged to protect their butts by pre-empting the "big rally" the yellow shirts had planned the following day

Now these clowns are hiring an army of 300 guards to "protect" them. More likely, they have been hired to escalate the situation. But, if they want another coup, they will have to move their act to Bangkok.

Sadly this so way off the mark, that I fear the poster may not understand the current politic and the danger this represents to Thailand.

[robertson468]

Hardly looks like an attack but more like a staged event. You have six people wearing red clothing and one with a mask. Everyone seems to be in party mood with happy smiling faces. Look at the pic, that is definitely staged. The guy in red is smiling and the little woman in the stripes is apparently being held back by the invisible man.

How about an alternative interpretation? The Guy in red is grimacing because he is being held back by the Policeman, the Lady to his right is being obstructed at getting to the Guy in the white mask by another Policeman and the women in the stripped top is in the process at launching herself at the "white mask". I am sure they all went for coffee together after the 'fun' rally!

[Rich teacher]

One side comes out to protest and calls for democratic elections. The other side comes out and calls for a military coup and military appointed government. They should be put in prison.

[ianf]

One side comes out to protest and calls for democratic elections. The other side comes out and calls for a military coup and military appointed government. They should be put in prison.

I think you have to understand the current situation by understanding the nature of mass psychology. This is something truly understood by K Thaksin and, as a student of fascism, I am fascinated to watch these events unfurl. There is nothing democratic about PTP, this Government or the Red Shirts. Nothing whatsoever and I am afraid that those that take the opposite view are allowing dogma to stand in the way of logical thought. Indeed, there are so many parallels between current/recent events (and the manner in which these are being manipulated) and those early days in Italy (Mussolini) and Germany's National Socialist movement - that I am spooked! If you read Reich's Mass Psychology of Fascism you'll understand what I'm saying. So it is really not as simple as the poster suggests!

[Bluespunk]

One side comes out to protest and calls for democratic elections. The other side comes out and calls for a military coup and military appointed government. They should be put in prison.

Since when has been firing grenades at civilians, terrorising hospital patients and intimidating all who disagree with you been democratic? The reds are fascists with no tolerance for any view but there own.

Edited June 16, 2013 by Bluespunk

[yoshiwara]

One side comes out to protest and calls for democratic elections. The other side comes out and calls for a military coup and military appointed government. They should be put in prison.

Note that he is very careful not to say that the reds were peaceful. If I could be helpful in some way, might he suggest that either the missiles thrown were fake missiles or if not then they were thrown by fake reds. Is the boiler room still in discussion on this point?

[mrtoad]

The only reason they choose to wear masks is so hopefully people don't realise they are the same yellow faces that have been obstructing democracy for 8 years now.

A short sentence in between some ESL lessons on a Sunday??

[hellodolly]

A few years back, just before the coup, the yellow, white,..., whatever shirts went protesting in the streets. They were then met with angry opposition. The whatever shirts don't do well in the streets. I think the coup was staged to protect their butts by pre-empting the "big rally" the yellow shirts had planned the following day

Now these clowns are hiring an army of 300 guards to "protect" them. More likely, they have been hired to escalate the situation. But, if they want another coup, they will have to move their act to Bangkok.

I missed the part where they called for a coup can you point it out for me. They want the current government to step down hardly a coup.

If you have been paying attention to what has been happening you would not make up a story like that. A rally nor is a coup as it sounds is not the answer. The answer will be in the ballot box. If the Thais want more of the shit and abuse of their rites all they have to do is vote PT.

The truth of the matter as I had heard it not through the nation there was about 20 white faced masked people and 200 red shirts supposedly there with no evil intentions. But ha you and I both know when you get 200 low IQ thugs together and there is some thing happening that is not down to their low standards you are going to have a problem.

According to Pheu Thai deputy spokesman Anusorn Iamsa-ard

""I want to send a message to the three groups. Whether you want to rally wearing white masks or not, it is your right. But the government is concerned and does not want to see violence. Any group wanting to protest must be careful. Real life on the street is unlike in the cyber world as there are both people who agree and disagree," he said, adding that protesters needed to avoid provocation."

Two last things

1 He neglected to mention that those things did not apply to red shirt rallies. (show us one time the red shirts have been hassled.)

2 It is disgusting that a Prime Minister has to be urged to not condone those type of actions. She should have had a news conference immediately condemning those kind of actions. Well give her 1/2 hour to get ready for the photo ops, Last week it was Lamphang (spelling) a month or so ago it was Yasothon. and yet she remains silent.

I believe a few months ago she had two policemen for every protestor and some barbed wire to stop some of them from getting to the rally in Bangkok.

[chuang]

Hardly looks like an attack but more like a staged event. You have six people wearing red clothing and one with a mask. Everyone seems to be in party mood with happy smiling faces. Look at the pic, that is definitely staged. The guy in red is smiling and the little woman in the stripes is apparently being held back by the invisible man.

Take off your RED glasses. NO ONE is smiling in the photo. Are you the kind of guy who will piss on me and then tell me it's raining?

Attack no...scuttling among themselves yes...

[hellodolly]

I knew it wouldn't be long before one of you came along, have we got the Sunday shift/roster sorted out, let us know when your shift finishes and I will come back to the forum.

The only reason they choose to wear masks is so hopefully people don't realise they are the same yellow faces that have been obstructing democracy for 8 years now.

When/where did peacefully criticising the government become "obstructing democracy"? Is violence against the white masks "supporting democracy"?

Is this the red shirt version of "democracy"?

They are openly calling for a military coup to overthrow the democratically elected government.

Any Democratically elected Government anywhere in the world that had LOST the amount of money that this Government had primarily by corruption and displaying a degree of nepotism that is truly breathtaking would be out already as the public and opposition would have demanded, impeachments and new elections.

What I find worrying is that someone that I believe is an expat is seriously supporting everything that the red movement so blatantly represents. It is leading to a Cambodian style of Government, is that acceptable RichTeacher?

What we have here is since Thaksin gave the stick to the reds, many people have established themselves as local 'leaders'. they wallow in their new perceived power and they are not going to surrender that power and will do anything to lead their local village idiots into believing that what they are doing is democratic.

My prediction for today. The V masks will gather, democratically and peacefully and reds will gather aggresively. The police will move in and move and arrest the V masks saying their presence is threatening peace. Rather than move and arrest the violent reds who are committing the crime, the V's will be moved.

I am unsure how this divide that the reds are making bigger and bigger can ever be mended. And all those expats supporting this, be very aware that if President Thaksin ever takes power, once the other 52% of Thailand are brought under control by the red mobs, then the expats will be next. You are a piece of s**t to these people, far far worse than they view a yellow, your time will come if you stay here and many of you will think, 'OMG, I supported this madness'! Karma has a way of ensuring payback is delivered.

Sorry I am old and not that nimble with my mind. but I do get there. I have finally figured out rich teachers handle.

He tought school in the red shirt school on democracy for enough money to consider himself rich.

[hellodolly]

Ok for the sake of peace I will chose a side just for you. O.K I chose Yellow and I hope that is in line with your thinking. Now I am going to have some redshirt supporter attack me and for the sake of peace I will have to chose red. It is not easy to sit on the fence when both sides are against you.

I looked at the pic again in the op and I still can't see any evidence of violence from either side a little to and fro from both sides but no violence.

"I looked at the pic again in the op and I still can't see any evidence of violence from either side a little to and fro from both sides but no violence."

So those two 'peaceful' Red Shirts the two policeman are holding back and the little guy in the stripped shirt in his best Bruce Lee pose are demonstrating their 'peaceful' intentions? The guy in the white mask is moving away while putting his arm up in a defensive posture, why? If the Reds aren't displaying any violent actions what does he seem to be protecting himself from?

Calling yourself a 'Yellow supporter does nothing for me as I think the Yellows who invaded Government House and occupied the airport should all be in jail. When you say you are a fence- sitter, you are being disingenuous and insulting what little intelligence I may have. I'm done arguing with you.

+1

[scorecard]

Shades of the early days of national socialism in Germany eh? Now Thaksin's mobs are showing their support for democracy! Nazi Style! Bring it on!

I was thinking the same thing.

The PM needs to make a statement on this and fast, if only to clarify her position.

Agree, but anybody prepared to bet that she will make a statement about it. It will never happen.

IMHO she doesn't need to clarify her position, it's already very clear.