Ecuador 'analysing' Snowden asylum request: FM

[F430murci]

Utterly disgraceful!

Bolivia leader's jet diverted 'amid Snowden suspicions'

The Bolivian defence minister, also on the flight, pilloried the US after the unscheduled landing.

"This is a hostile act by the United States state department which has used various European governments," Ruben Saavedra said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23156360

Not disgraceful. Totally prudent!

[Credo]

Snowden did not flee persecution and there is no indication that what he will face if he returns is persecution. He is now fleeing prosecution. The information he has given is so widespread, it is probably of very little value to anyone.

He is quickly seeing what a compassionate world he is dealing with. I think he'd have a better chance being an Afghani on a boat headed toward Australia.

Sadly, the world in which we live is not a very nice place, at times.

[midas]

Utterly disgraceful!

Bolivia leader's jet diverted 'amid Snowden suspicions'

FUBAR

According to President Obama they don't care much about him & wont scramble jets for him

But that doesn't mean they won't ask others to do so.

If this does not show that the people are all answering to a puppeteer power greater than even the US Government, nothing will!

Edited July 3, 2013 by Scott

[Jingthing]

Maybe the Russians will just "lose" him.

[Berkshire]

Why do you keep referring to Snowden as if he is a hobo sitting in the terminal begging.

He is not far from it. Country after country are turning down his asylum requests.

Not only will the country that grants Snowden asylum have to deal with the US Gov, they'll also have to deal with THE JESTER!

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/02/pro-us-hacker-jester-takes-aim-at-nations-helping-snowden/

[keemapoot]

Maybe the Russians will just "lose" him.

As mentioned, maybe Tom Hanks could give him some pointers.

[midas]

‘There’s element of panic in US policy towards Edward Snowden’

Solomon believes US attempts at grabbing Snowden and bringing him to the US are a sign of panic. No one, including Snowden, is capable of stopping further leaks, as the documents have been handed to journalists or other people who can make them public.

http://rt.com/op-edge/us-snowden-nsa-leaks-539/

Edited July 3, 2013 by midas

[Publicus]

Bolivian president Morales in Moscow yesterday expressed his willingness to give asylum to Snowden. In comments made to Russia Today (RT) television, Morales had criticized America's "espionage network," which he claimed was being used particularly against developing countries.

In the interview, Morales asserted that if Snowden applied for asylum in Bolivia, the request would be considered favorably.

So we have the Bolivian foreign minister denying Snowden is on the plane while Pres Morales said in Moscow he would favorably consider Snowden's application for asylum. Meanwhile, the plane landed in Austria, where Snowden has also applied, and a spokesperson for the Austrian government says Snowden would not be expelled from Austria because there is no Interpol warrant to apprehend him.

A lot of double talk here, triple talk even.

[mania]

The sky is falling!

It appears Washington agrees with you

[Publicus]

huge, nationwide protests against Prisma and Tempora are on the agenda starting July 27th in Germany.

In global intelligence, you also spy on friends

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-06-20/news/40094635_1_intelligence-british-security-service-espionage

Those who express indignation that democratic countries could spy on 'friends' are either naive or live in a utopian world. There is nothing good and evil about spies and there is no legality or morality in espionage which, like trade and commerce, medicine and engineering, transcends the political constraints of international borders.

Foreign policy and intelligence gathering are not 'ideal things' in a world in which states pursue objectives based on self-interest. Countries that have been targets of friendly intelligence agencies have usually swallowed their injured pride and moved on.

Governments in Europe know they need to be cautious and careful in this spying matter lest their own activities in respect of each other be revealed.

[Publicus]

The sky is falling!

It appears Washington agrees with you

Snowden needs to be subjected to the due process of law for his actions against his government and country. Snowden violated national security laws. People who do such things get prosecuted. That's the normal and expected course of events.

Snowden is a fugitive on the run. He's a 'catch me if you can' type of person. So the race is on. That's not unusual either in these incidents.

In the meantime, Congress remains silent in the matter. No extraordinary hearings. No speeches. No bombastic outcry. No Church committee as with the CIA in the 1970s. No nothing from the Congress in this. As far as the Congress is concerned, the sun is still shining and the sky remains firmly in place, so to speak.

Many voices here, however, are shrill, often hysterical, extreme, prophesizing doom, unending.

The US government is doing what governments anywhere do in the matter of Edward Snowden. Even governments have legal recourse in these matters.

[Berkshire]

huge, nationwide protests against Prisma and Tempora are on the agenda starting July 27th in Germany.

And....? There were also international indignation related to the Iraq war, drone strikes, Gitmo, etc., etc.

The point is I can't imagine any non-American being the least interested in anything related to American national security. Unless, of course, it somehow relates to their own national security. But the American government will keep doing what it believes it needs to do to protect the national security of its citizens. In other words, international outcry means close to zilch. Of course, our elected officials will say what they need to say to pacify their allies...publicly.

[SinglePot]

Maybe the Russians will just "lose" him.

As mentioned, maybe Tom Hanks could give him some pointers.

The crossroad scene in Cast Away comes to mind.

Have Hollywood signed up the film rights for Snowden and The Jester?

Much better story than The Social Network.

[Publicus]

Why do you keep referring to Snowden as if he is a hobo sitting in the terminal begging. You 'attempt' to make intelligent posts, which are not, but then make stupid comments.

Edward Snowden, the man without a country.

[Publicus]

South American nations furious over diversion of Bolivian president's plane – live

Live• Plane diverts to Austria amid fears Snowden on board

• Foreign minister: France, Italy Spain and Portugal denied airspace permits

• Snowden not on board, according to officials in Vienna

• Bolivia accuses United States of 'hostile act'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/edward-snowden-asylum-live

Edited July 3, 2013 by Publicus

[Jingthing]

What will Bolivia do to retaliate? Send more cocaine?

[mania]

What will Bolivia do to retaliate? Send more cocaine?

Yeah their just a little country screw them....right?

[Berkshire]

What will Bolivia do to retaliate? Send more cocaine?

If anything, they'll withhold shipment and the US market will see the price skyrocket. That'll show em!

[Jingthing]

What will Bolivia do to retaliate? Send more cocaine?

Yeah their just a little country screw them....right?

Not so fast. If they cut off their Quinoa exports, the aging hippies will break out in hives ...

[Publicus]

Here's a story from before today's re-routing of the Bolivian president's plane. If the reports are true that Snowden is not on board, then it's just and only another instance of so much blah blah blah, this time by Morales.

Edward Snowden given possible lifeline as Bolivia hints it would grant asylum

Evo Morales says his country is keen to 'shield the denounced'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/edward-snowden-bolivia-lifeline-asylum

Is Edward Snowden stateless and where can he go?

Even if another state grants Snowden asylum and issues him with a letter of passage, Russia would have to agree to accept it

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/edward-snowden-where-can-he-go

Edited July 3, 2013 by Publicus

[mania]

A Plane carrying a President of a country regardless of how large or small a country

is diverted from its flight plan & forced to land.

Based on?

Acceptable?

Edited July 3, 2013 by mania

[Publicus]

A Plane carrying a President of a country regardless of how large or small a country

is diverted from its flight plan & forced to land.

Based on?

Acceptable?

Based on Pres Morales own statements that he would cheerfully aid and abet a fugitive from justice, made before and while he was in Moscow. He'd been in Moscow as recently as yesterday

It's clear Snowden wants out of Russia. It's also clear the guy in charge there has opposite ideas, intents, purposes.

These South American leftist presidents have been talking a good game but doing or producing zero results. Actually, the game they talk is pretty weak. None of 'em have done anything close to what they said they'd do.

The blah blah blah crew. The gang that can't talk straight.

[Jingthing]

A Plane carrying a President of a country regardless of how large or small a country

is diverted from its flight plan & forced to land.

Based on?

Acceptable?

I can see why they're pissed off.

[mania]

Based on Pres Morales own statements that he would cheerfully aid and abet a fugitive from justice, made before and while he was in Moscow. He'd been in Moscow as recently as yesterday

So an international warrant has in fact finally been issued on Snowden?

I must have missed that.

I will put you down as acceptable then

[Publicus]

Based on Pres Morales own statements that he would cheerfully aid and abet a fugitive from justice, made before and while he was in Moscow. He'd been in Moscow as recently as yesterday

So an international warrant has in fact finally been issued on Snowden?

I must have missed that.

I will put you down as acceptable then

Every one of those leftist South American presidents, the five or so of 'em, know the US has issued a warrant for Snowden's arrest and that the Department of Justice has filed espionage charges against him in U.S. District Court, that Snowden is a fugitive from justice.

What more does a good neighbor country need to know?

Maybe Snowden can try Dubai.

[mania]

Every one of those leftist South American presidents, the five or so of 'em, know the US has issued a warrant for Snowden's arrest and that the Department of Justice has filed espionage charges against him in U.S. District Court, that Snowden is a fugitive from justice.

What more does a good neighbor country need to know?

Well I guess it is good for others to know these new rules

for asylum seekers.

That way if they should also need to divert a presidential plane

they too without evidence can fall back on this one as precedence.

I bet the Hollywood filmmakers are licking their lips on this one wondering

why they couldn't have thought of such an intriguing comedy to write

[Publicus]

Every one of those leftist South American presidents, the five or so of 'em, know the US has issued a warrant for Snowden's arrest and that the Department of Justice has filed espionage charges against him in U.S. District Court, that Snowden is a fugitive from justice.

What more does a good neighbor country need to know?

Well I guess it is good for others to know these new rules

for asylum seekers.

That way if they should also need to divert a presidential plane

they too without evidence can fall back on this one as precedence.

I bet the Hollywood filmmakers are licking their lips on this one wondering

why they couldn't have thought of such an intriguing comedy to write

The handful of South American leftist presidents. That's left wing leaders of their countries. Friends of Beijing.

[chuckd]

I'm definitely interested to see how the right wingers here might try to spin this.

The "right wingers here" couldn't care less what happens to Snowden. He will evetually be arrested and tried for treason and go to jail.

The "right wingers here" are much more concerned about the current governments continued and increasing violation of the constitutional rights of Americans than Snowden's unusual travel predicament.

However the NSA subject is off topic and not allowable under forum rules.

Ta.

[ggold]

One wonders the reaction if it had been air force one that had been refused permission to over fly a country because it might have a Chinese or Russian whistleblower onboard?

Would war have been declared against Portugal and France? It is about time the double standards of the US are highlighted!

Is it right that a plane carrying the President of a country is treated in such a way, were a couple international treaties ignored or even broken, just so America can get their hands on Snowden. It seems to be a one way rule "do as we say not as we do"

Do we really want America to dictate to the world how we should behave, do as they say? So far they have shown about the same level of compitance as the Thai government in this matter. Come to think of it one thing you can guarantee they always get it wrong, look at history.

[Berkshire]

I'm definitely interested to see how the right wingers here might try to spin this.

The "right wingers here" couldn't care less what happens to Snowden. He will evetually be arrested and tried for treason and go to jail.

The "right wingers here" are much more concerned about the current governments continued and increasing violation of the constitutional rights of Americans than Snowden's unusual travel predicament.

However the NSA subject is off topic and not allowable under forum rules.

Ta.

Well you've managed to demonstrate how predictable "right-wingers" are. No matter what happens, never, ever, say anything positive about the President!