Thailand has a new popular sensation - Hitler

[caykay]

Let this be a lesson to the world, about the true mentality and the lack of respect many Thais have for foreigners, countries and cultures. However, this is an excellent opportunity for business investment as one can see, simple minds can easily be manipulated.

If any one knows any thing at all about The Thai education system they will realize it has nothing to do with the Thai mentality,

That is just out and out Thai bashing.

It is more to do with their education system.

How much knowledge did you have of the Thai's role in WW2 in your foreign education.

In mine American I had none.

Thailand welcomed Japanese troops into their country and allowed them to run pow camps in kanchanaburi. Then, they later sided with the Americans to stop the spread of communism. They join the money, wherever that comes from

[Jingthing]

This journalist criticises the ignorance of Thais yet he himself reveals his own ignorance of history. Where does this "12 million people during the Holocaust" come from? The Holocaust is a reference to the Jewish victims of WW2. Everyone knows the true number as its repeated ad nauseam in the western media. The forgotten victims of Hitler include 20-30 million Russians, 13,684,692 civilian losses according to Wikipedia. How can he be so careless with the facts and then criticise others for ignorance?

The holocaust victims according to some scholars (I actually think this is the more MAINSTREAM view) does NOT only include the Jewish victims although the Jewish victims were the majority.

Please be careful with charges of ignorance when you refer to a point of semantics really:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Some scholars argue that the mass murder of the Romani and people with disabilities should be included in the definition,^[9][10] and some use the common noun "holocaust" to describe other Nazi mass murders, including those of Soviet prisoners of war, Polish and Soviet civilians, and homosexuals.^[11][12] Recent estimates based on figures obtained since the fall of the Soviet Union indicates some ten to eleven million civilians and prisoners of war were intentionally murdered by the Nazi regime.^[13][14]

Edited July 14, 2013 by Jingthing

[aguy30]

I never heard of Siam or Thailand in school. There was just an occasional National Geographic article.

The more important point is that the typical Thai doesn't even know there was a second world war. Thailand's part wasn't exactly "face saving", more like "a$$ saving". Ignore it and it will go away mentallity.

Edited July 14, 2013 by aguy30

[hellodolly]

Not many people know that 'Swastika' and 'Sawas Dee Ka' come from the same root. The Nazi's had a strange obsession with Hindu mythology. Contrary to popular belief, 'Aryans' are not blonde haired and blue eyed people, but are in fact the natives of Iran and Afghanistan. 'Iran' is even derived from 'Aryan'.

Of course the average Thai doesn't know any of this. They just see a guy with a funny moustache sticking his arm up.

I don't think the average farong knows it either. I highly doubt Hitler did either or he would not have been big on Aryan supremacy.

Is there a world outside of Thailand for Thais?

Ever meet a Jew in Thailand?

Yes, but they weren't Thai nationals. What else would you expect in a country that is about 95% Buddhist? Most other religions are not followed by Thais. Btw, I have also met some really stupid farang.

Yes I have met a Jew in Thailand,

Have you ever met an Eskimo in Thailand or a Laplander?

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Sorry forgot to agree on meeting some pretty stupid farongs in Thailand.

Edited July 14, 2013 by hellodolly

[Jingthing]

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Russians were Hitler's biggest victims. His plan was to murder 50-60% of them and subject the others to enslavement and deportation to Siberia (google Generalplan Ost).

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Yes it is very ironic that neo-Nazis have become so strong in Russia considering what Hitler did to Russia. But the point was about NEO-NAZIS and I wanted to connect the topic of Hitler and Nazis to ASIANS (thus Thais), and what's happening in Russia does that.

For any ignorant Thais who think Nazism and the worship of Hitler has nothing to do with Asians and Thais, well, they are wrong. It was a WHITE SUPREMACIST movement. Thais are not white people.

Edited July 14, 2013 by Jingthing

[hellodolly]

Let this be a lesson to the world, about the true mentality and the lack of respect many Thais have for foreigners, countries and cultures. However, this is an excellent opportunity for business investment as one can see, simple minds can easily be manipulated.

If any one knows any thing at all about The Thai education system they will realize it has nothing to do with the Thai mentality,

That is just out and out Thai bashing.

It is more to do with their education system.

How much knowledge did you have of the Thai's role in WW2 in your foreign education.

In mine American I had none.

Thailand welcomed Japanese troops into their country and allowed them to run pow camps in kanchanaburi. Then, they later sided with the Americans to stop the spread of communism. They join the money, wherever that comes from

You are partially correct, I know that now but I did not learn of it in my 64 years in North America. It was not an Item it was always the Japanese against the Americans. A friend of mine grew up in Canada and he was telling me that all his knowledge in school was the same as mine as they were using American history books.

When I said partially correct I was referring to the POW camps. For the building of the railroad to Burma the camps were run by Koreans and on completion turned over to the Japanese.

There is a plaque in one of the cemeteries there telling about this it also said the living conditions improved when the rail road was done and /the Japanese took over the POW camps.

[up-country_sinclair]

I think this is a lack of teaching history in the schools.

A lack of brain cells may also have something to do with it.

It is not related to intelligence, but rather ignorance. To many Thais, Hitler is an icon without context or even a basic level of knowledge.

[Jingthing]

Jews were very clearly not the majority of Nazi civilian casualties.

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I didn't say what you accuse me of saying. I was talking only about the HOLOCAUST not ALL civilian dead. Such as including the Romani people, the homosexuals, the disabled, etc. all mass murdered in the same way as the Jews. Of that class of victims, the mainstream estimates are 6 million Jews, 5 million non-Jews. So that is the majority of the HOLOCAUST victims being Jewish, not ALL war dead, OK? You first stated the holocaust was only Jews and that assertion is controversial and I think the more mainstream counting includes non-Jews. Again, NOT talking about total war dead from all causes. I hope this is clear now.

Edited July 14, 2013 by Jingthing

[hellodolly]

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Russians were Hitler's biggest victims. His plan was to murder 50-60% of them and subject the others to enslavement and deportation to Siberia (google Generalplan Ost).

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Yes it is very ironic that neo-Nazis have become so strong in Russia considering what Hitler did to Russia. But the point was about NEO-NAZIS and I wanted to connect the topic of Hitler and Nazis to ASIANS (thus Thais), and what's happening in Russia does that.

For any ignorant Thais who think Nazism and the worship of Hitler has nothing to do with Asians and Thais, well, they are wrong. It was a WHITE SUPREMACIST movement. Thais are not white people.

What would have happened if Germany and Japan had won the war?

Japanese are not white.

[Nana Cowboy]

This is just a case of the media keeping Hitler alive in the press moreso than anything

[Jingthing]

What would have happened if Germany and Japan had won the war?

Japanese are not white.

The Japanese would have become the master race of all of Asia, treating all other Asian people as their slaves. That was the model they were beginning in the war.

As most people know Asian people are quite often extremely racist BETWEEN different ethnicities of Asian people.

Edited July 14, 2013 by Jingthing

[aguy30]

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Russians were Hitler's biggest victims. His plan was to murder 50-60% of them and subject the others to enslavement and deportation to Siberia (google Generalplan Ost).

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Yes it is very ironic that neo-Nazis have become so strong in Russia considering what Hitler did to Russia. But the point was about NEO-NAZIS and I wanted to connect the topic of Hitler and Nazis to ASIANS (thus Thais), and what's happening in Russia does that.

For any ignorant Thais who think Nazism and the worship of Hitler has nothing to do with Asians and Thais, well, they are wrong. It was a WHITE SUPREMACIST movement. Thais are not white people.

What would have happened if Germany and Japan had won the war?

Japanese are not white.

Their alliance was simply a means to obtain the end result. Neither would have wanted to tolerate and share the world with the other. Probably would have resulted in an ultimate war between them for total world supremacy.

[Jingthing]

Many Thais do not consider them selves, Asian. Cambodians, Loations and Myanmar are Asian

Thais are Thai and only ever fly on THAI

Neo Nazis in Russia wouldn't know the difference. But you have a point!

[Jingthing]

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It's written by a Jew also. you can easily download the book in a minute.

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So it's more special because a Jew wrote it? Interesting. Do people imagine Jews are a big blob of sameness or something?

[aguy30]

Neo-Nazis, especially in Russia who directly associate themselves with Hitler and the Nazi symbols, hate Asians. They target them for random attacks on the streets, even murder. In the white dominated parts of Russia such as Moscow, non-whites must stay indoors during the anniversary of Hitler's birthday. Anyone who is not white is a potential target. More than half of the active Neo-Nazis in the world are in Russia.

Are Thai people not Asians?

Hitler and Nazis are not a joke.

They are not fashion.

Many Thais do not consider them selves, Asian. Cambodians, Loations and Myanmar are Asian

Thais are Thai and only ever fly on THAI

SHHH, don't embarrass yourself.

[edwardandtubs]

Jews were very clearly not the majority of Nazi civilian casualties.

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I didn't say what you accuse me of saying. I was talking only about the HOLOCAUST not ALL civilian dead. Such as including the Romani people, the homosexuals, the disabled, etc. all mass murdered in the same way as the Jews. Of that class of victims, the mainstream estimates are 6 million Jews, 5 million non-Jews. So that is the majority of the HOLOCAUST victims being Jewish, not ALL war dead, OK? You first stated the holocaust was only Jews and that assertion is controversial and I think the more mainstream counting includes non-Jews. Again, NOT talking about total war dead from all causes. I hope this is clear now.

So what qualifies as a "Holocaust victim"? "The Holocaust" includes all Jewish fatalities in Nazi-occupied Europe - including Jewish military casualties. But Ukrainian child starved to death by the Nazis is not a "Holocaust victim". It's not a morally valid distinction.

[Bagwan]

So, so many Thais are just clueless about history and perceptions beyond the borders of their little Thailand universe.

I'll wager that few know that their Nipponese visitors killed 300,000 Asian folk in trying to build a railway in their country. Few would know and appreciate that their country was freed by the Allies. I have never come across reports of brothels being set up for the use of occupation troops and manned by Thai ladies, but I'm sure that some existed.

[Jingthing]

So what qualifies as a "Holocaust victim"? "The Holocaust" includes all Jewish fatalities in Nazi-occupied Europe - including Jewish military casualties. But Ukrainian child starved to death by the Nazis is not a "Holocaust victim". It's not a morally valid distinction.

This is a specialized discussion and going way to far off topic. Refer to the wiki link for a start. Not all scholars agree on the definitions. With so many millions dead, there is never going to be perfect precision on these matters.

[Rust Never Sleeps]

So, so many Thais are just clueless about history and perceptions beyond the borders of their little Thailand universe.

So,so many Farangs are just clueless about history and perceptions beyond the borders of their little Farang universe.

[aguy30]

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It's written by a Jew also. you can easily download the book in a minute.

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So it's more special because a Jew wrote it? Interesting. Do people imagine Jews are a big blob of sameness or something?

If this forum is to be used a reference, then it can easily be assumed that people have far more imagination than intelligence.

[Bagwan]

Jews were very clearly not the majority of Nazi civilian casualties.

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I didn't say what you accuse me of saying. I was talking only about the HOLOCAUST not ALL civilian dead. Such as including the Romani people, the homosexuals, the disabled, etc. all mass murdered in the same way as the Jews. Of that class of victims, the mainstream estimates are 6 million Jews, 5 million non-Jews. So that is the majority of the HOLOCAUST victims being Jewish, not ALL war dead, OK? You first stated the holocaust was only Jews and that assertion is controversial and I think the more mainstream counting includes non-Jews. Again, NOT talking about total war dead from all causes. I hope this is clear now.

So what qualifies as a "Holocaust victim"? "The Holocaust" includes all Jewish fatalities in Nazi-occupied Europe - including Jewish military casualties. But Ukrainian child starved to death by the Nazis is not a "Holocaust victim". It's not a morally valid distinction.

I take and support your point but I think you'll find that Stalin stripped the Ukraine of anything edible and left the population to starve or freeze to death. The Ukranians still remember and will not easily forget.

[hellodolly]

What would have happened if Germany and Japan had won the war?

Japanese are not white.

The Japanese would have become the master race of all of Asia, treating all other Asian people as their slaves. That was the model they were beginning in the war.

As most people know Asian people are quite often extremely racist BETWEEN different ethnicities of Asian people.

That does not answer the question the Germans were white supremest and the Japanese are not white. They were both at the time countries all geared up for war. Hitler wanted world domination.

[Payboy]

“Hitler Chic,”

I think I've met her.

ImageUploadedByThaivisa Connect Thailand1373766254.499871.jpg

Wonder if she's doubly 'Hitler Chic". She might be sporting two of those things.

Payboy...did you meet her or 'meet' her? If the later, are you will to kiss and tell? lol

Dunno, it's all a distant memory now. Was Hitler Brazilian?

[pisico]

Thai bashers and lovers of the country perhaps should ponder this: throughout its existence of nearly 1,000 years, what are the contributions of Thailand to science, technology, arts, etc.?

Before 1938, during the years when Pibunsongkhram (a military despot) ruled the country, Thais, generally,would not wear upper body clothing. This custom was made a requirement by the various rulers of the small kingdoms to prevent a monarch being killed by anyone absconding knives under their clothing. But, Westerners complained so much of the sweat and odor of Thais in the official audiences with Thais dignitaries that upper body clothing became de rigor in those venues. Not to mention the puritanical sensibilities of Westerners. Thais ate using chopsticks and spoons and forks were to be found only in the households of Westerners. All this, and more, is a matter of historical fact.

Thailand was then that obscure Shangri-La-like country in the far East. After Hollywood finally refined and idealized a version of the country, Thailand began being discovered by the West for different reasons.

But there is a fundamental fact in history that is not kind to most countries. Many countries are irrelevant to the great context of the history of the world and mankind. What would be the point to study in depth the history of countries such as Uruguay, Gambia or Daguestan? What has been their contribution to science, technology or the arts? When we have a Darwin in England, Leonardo da Vinci in Italy, Benjamin Franklin in the USA and a Laplace in France? Is it more important to ignore their accomplishments for that silly notion of democratic fairness?

A country is relevant to world history when it contributes to the betterment of mankind, or when it threatens it, as it was the case of Nazi Germany.

Thais were chummy with the Japanese thinking that if Japan succeeded in occupying Burma (Thailand's historical archenemy, Thais would be able to take over the country. The reason Thailand allowed the Japanese to occupy the country, set up hard labor camps for the Australians, British and American prisoners of war and let the Japanese army create swaths of "comfort houses" where the soldiers could be "serviced" properly during their furloughs. Declaration of war to the UK and USA makes it an even harder subject to tackle in a classroom in a country where not losing face is more important than fairness, justice or the rule of law. Therein lies the Thais ignorance of who Hitler was and why his image and example should not be glorified or made into a Nazi-chic trend.

As I said to a Thai friend recently, you are lucky the Japanese lost the war. Had they won, you would be eating Sukiyaki every day and forced to work for a pittance at the Mitsubishi's factories.

[Jingthing]

That does not answer the question the Germans were white supremest and the Japanese are not white. They were both at the time countries all geared up for war. Hitler wanted world domination.

Nobody knows for sure what would have happened if the Axis powers won the war. OK?

Personally I doubt the Germans had the bandwidth to rule the entire planet with their master race and do think they would have kept the alliance with Japan.

Edited July 14, 2013 by Jingthing

[Somtamnication]

Hitler Chic,

I think I've met her.

ImageUploadedByThaivisa Connect Thailand1373766254.499871.jpg

Take off the moustache and maybe I'll bite.

This one is better!

Edited July 14, 2013 by Somtamnication

[bigbamboo]

History education in Thailand is appalling, even in the foreign schools here. This is one part of the problem. Added to that Thais in general do not like to read unless there are plenty of pictures. Why this is I don't know. I can only put it down to their insular mindset and a lack of desire to learn from the outside world.

Mongkut, Thailand's genius king, would be horrified.

Edited July 14, 2013 by bigbamboo

[Cuban]

Great opportunity for a Thai to provide a dubbed documentary, 20 minutes is enough to get the significant points across.

Among many:

[Beetlejuice]

What these Hitler images, parodies and some of the posters on Thai visa demonstrates is that the post war generations have little knowledge, no sympathies and no reverence for those who suffered and fought for their very survival and for us during the second world war.

It is a total display of ignorance, disdain and contempt for those who lived under the threats of German and Japanese Nazi invasion during the Nazi reign of terror for 12 years and in the occupied countries during the war years.

Anyone who can find any justification as regards WW2 Nazi policies, including gassing, starving, slave labouring, putting innocent people to death, including the invasion of other countries and the loss of lives of those who went into battle defending their own countries, must have psychopathic tendencies. And this is what those images stand for and represent, brutality, suffering, death, destruction and lunacy.

There is no room for Nazi ideology in the civilised world, it is something that is of no benefit to anyone except maybe for businesses trying to make an earner with a sick craze, which I believe is the case, the business selling a bunch of crap to the ignorant, the uneducated and the weird elements of society.

Edited July 14, 2013 by Beetlejuice

[Jingthing]

I think now that the Hitler in Thailand genie is out of the bottle and more young Thais realize what a powerful HOT BUTTON this is for many foreigners, it's probably safe to assume we're going to see MUCH MORE of this in future. Unless you think the Thai educational system is actually going to take action about this ... care to buy the Brooklyn Bridge?

Edited July 14, 2013 by Jingthing