Zimmerman not guilty in Trayvon Martin death: Florida jury

[Chicog]

Some of the attempts at concealing racist tendencies on this thread are almost laughable.

I'd like to ask one question. The general consensus seems to be:

( a ) If both were African American, this wouldn't have gone to trial.

( b ) If it had been an African American adult killing a white teen, the rednecks would want him strung up from the nearest tree.

But what if it had been a white adult killing an unarmed white teen?

I'm guessing then it would be about the right of curtain twitching wannabes to carry firearms and poke their noses into other peoples' business.

The whole race issue is what has got Zimmerman absolved of any responsibility, that and a crap prosecution case and a defence able to manipulate all kinds of deceptions and half-truths to finish the job off.

The truth of the matter is that Zimmerman is responsible for murdering someone's child and eventually he will pay the price.

Saying "what if" merely is an admonition of ignoring the facts and attempting to distract people's minds away from those facts.

What deceptions and half truths?

How is George responsible?

Was it George's responsibility to lay there and allow Trayvon to have his way with George's head until Trayvon decided to cease and desist; leaving us all to wonder whether Trayvon would have carried out permanent bodily damage or even death to George?

Is that what you are saying?

Would you please comment on Trayvons behavior at the moment he threw the punch and got George on his back, as well as throughout the beating that he was administering on George's face and head and explain to me why one punch would not have been good enough to get a point across (I am being lenient here), and rather instead Trayvon felt compelled to batter George up until he was shot?

Would you also comment on your thoughts of how long you might expect Trayvon to have continued to batter George had George not had a gun? So, how much of a severe beating is enough for this racist to get from the child?

Clearly you are condoning the battering. So, how much would have been satisfactory to you to teach this racist a lesson?

I am a racist, by measure of the black community. How long should I receive a battering?

It is vitally important to hear (read) your response because I am sincerely interested in your interpretation of the severity of beatings that racists should receive at the hands of others (notice the absence of the racial profile in describing the batterer).

Please do tell and cease and desist with your reverse psychology and simply come clean on this.

I don't believe the "battering" was as bad as it's made out to be. I offered public domain medical evidence in an earlier post, but it was deleted.

The rest of the "battering" is a defendant's version with no-one else to give any contradictory evidence.

And without that evidence, the prosecution were unable to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.

What are you asking me to "come clean" on?

Perhaps you may be right, but would you like to let me demonstrate whilst sitting on top and you can tell me to stop when we get your face to match his? I mean that in a scientific sense, and no offense otherwise.

Would you then tell me that you are not as bad as I made you out to be?

You say the rest of the battering is the defendants version with no one else to give any contradictory evidence.

Alrigtht, how about if we remove the gun and allow me to continue battering your face, and as far as you are concerned, you have no idea when I am going to stop. Tell me what the result could be in all likelihodd as you are being battered. The evidence is being administered all over your face and head. Do you have any ideas as to how long I am going to continue battering you, and what elements will you use to determine that you are getting fed up or scared for your life that we are nearing the possibility that I may not stop? What is going through your mind now?

This is a good start for coming clean; by answering a direct question in the line of reasoning it is being asked.

How long are you going to let me batter you, and when you decide it is enough (whether after the first punch or after you are losing consciousness) and what are you going to try to do about it.

Are you beginning to understand now, that this is what it is all about?

The remainder of this trial merely consists of elements of argument which exist on a daily basis and will never be solved. But the matter of being battered without any indication of easing off puts a bit more clarity on the issue, and has nothing to do with black or white in the mind of the one losing consciousness or realizing that it is leading there fast.

F*** me I've dished out and taken better batterings than that without feeling in fear of my life.

Sounds like you voluntarily swallowed every word the defence said.

Well sorry, I didn't. And that doesn't mean I swallowed the prosecution's either.

[Lancelot]

George? So familiar. Let's not kid ourselves. The killer Zimmerman has become a poster child hero of the white right wing gun maniac Fox News saturated American contingent.

And is not Mr. Martin - the person who repeatedly smashed Zimmerman's head against concrete- the poster idol for that left wing fraternal brotherhood, A.K.A The New Black Panthers? In addition, said group circulated a paper offering a "Dead or Alive" reward (for Mr. Zimmerman.)

Let's not kid ourselves about that as well...

Edited July 15, 2013 by Lancelot

[aguy30]

"US Justice Department to open new case against Zimmerman who shot dead black teenager" (Voice of Russia site)

The US Justice Department may open a civil rights case against George Zimmerman (Voice of Russia first story line)

Read more: http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_07_15/US-Justice-Department-The US Justice Department can open a civil rights case against George Zimmerman-news-case-against-Zimmerman-who-shot-dead-black-teenager-2715/ The US Justice Department can open a civil rights case against George ZimmermanThe headline and the story from the Voice of Russia do not agree.

There is a big difference between "to open/may open/can open/will open". I looked at many major news sites and did not find any that said "will open".

A lot of wishful thinking by those that do not agree the verdict from a court of law. The prosecution did not prove their case.

Edited July 15, 2013 by metisdead

[cup-O-coffee]

No-one really knows what happened that night. Only 1 person, really.

I find it odd that so many people have picked a side in this case, when no-one could really know.

Isn't that a bit naive?

You can't pick a side?

How about this...

On your backside being battered to death... or on topside dong the battering and no end in sight if we remove the gun from the picture?

How's that for choosing a side?

There's nothing naive about acknowledging an objective fact: only Mr. ZImmerman has a chance of knowing exactly what happened and why.

Your emotive language and imaginative descriptions of what MIGHT be the truth don't change that.

An objective fact? What fact in particular that has not already been covered in the trial? Do you mean an objective display of indecisiveness? The fact is already etched in stone. The jury decided that.

Saying that one can't decide indicates a lack of information which would render one unable to choose a side. The trial and subsequent jury decision proved this. In the beginning they could not choose a side and subsequently could be described as naive. In the end they chose a side which we could then subsequently describe them as informed.

This poster is saying - after the fact of one side winning the trial - that no one knows.

If no one knows, then why was there a trial? Answer: There was a trial because one side chose to pick a fight and the other side had more proof that their side bore more weight!

There is nothing emotive about having your face bashed in and using any measure within your immediate means to end that bashing. I don't know of anyone in their right mind who would allow it to go on beyond the first painful contact.

[gl555]

Let me answer you point by point.

Treyvon Martin died, he wasn't on trial.

Many argue Zimmerman should never have been arrested, let alone tried in the first place.

While profiling isn't politically correct, if the majority of crimes in a certain area are committed by a certain race, you look out for that race. It's logical. If 9 out of 10 of the home burglaries were committed by Asians, you pay extra attention to suspicious looking Asians.

As for the differences in sizes. Zimmerman's MMA teacher gave testimony that he was overweight and out of shape and wasn't much of a fighter. His MMA training has been used a lot to show he could fight. His teacher has said otherwise.

As for jury selection, that's the way it is. You can spin it anyway you want. A lost is a lost. If there wasn't enough evidence, they shouldn't have prosecuted him in the first place. Whatever the Treyvon Martin's family do in the future with their lawyers, whether they want to sue or not is their right. As for the federal government prosecuting Zimmerman, you bet they will! Not because he's guilty because you have a black president and a black attorney general who kowtow to loud mouth never do wells like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

Did Trayvon Marti n get a fair trial?

Police did not arrest Zimmerman until 44 days after the shooting, much valuable crime scene evidence was not collected.

Who was responsible for the confrontation, Trayvon was just walking home from the 7-11 and Zimmerman profiled him as a criminal just by his looks.’

Zimmerman failed to abide by 911 instructions “to not follow Trayvon, Police were on the way” Zimmerman stated “these guys always get away”.

Up to this point Trayvon did not do anything he was just walking home.

Zimmerman followed Trayvon and a fight happened, that Trayvon bested Zimmerman and put him in fear for his life.

Comparison of the combatants

Trayvon a 158 lb,17 year old schoolboy with no special defense training history.

Zimmerman 195 lb, with over a year of MMA combat training sessions at three times per week immediately prior to the shooting. He lost 90 lbs during that year of MMA training and was down to his desired fighting weight

Since the shooting Zimmerman put on 100 lbs, which is not the physical condition he was at on the day of the shooting.

Zimmerman had a 37 lb weight advantage plus a year of MMA “ground and pound” MMA combat training

Was trial decided by a jury of his peers?

Population of Sanford is a minority majority population.

Hispanic 18.4 %

White 49.7%

Black 27.0%

Native American 0.4%

Asian 2,8%

Others 1.7%

Pool of Jury: 500 the last 23 remaining were:

16 Whites

4 Back

2 Hispanic

1 Asian

Each side lawyers had 10 jurors they could eliminated for any reason!

Results: 5 Anglo females, I Hispanic female.

The dye for acquittal was cast before the trial began.

What next, the Federal government will look into if Trayvon’s civil right were violated.

Trayvor’s family to file a ‘Wrongful Death” suit much as the Brown and Goldman family filed in the O.J. Simpson case, where the Civil “Preponderance of the Evidence” is a lot easier to prove then the Criminal “Beyond a Shadow of a Doubt” .

To assure Zimmerman cannot write a book or gain financially because of Trayvon Death

To make sure Zimmerman will never again freely be able to walk the streets, as he killed Trayvon for doing!

Keep Zimmerman from receiving any money because of his lawsuit against the TV s news Station,

Zimmerman’s problems at not over, they are just beginning!

In the years I have been on the TV forum, I have heard of Falang’s complaints about being discriminated against in Thailand.

They do not know what real discrimination is!

Cheers:

[F430murci]

Disbar the prosecutors is the view of Alan Dershowitz, I couldn't agree more.

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/dershowitz-zimmerman-trayvon-martin/2013/07/12/id/514847?promo_code=F53B-1&utm_source=Debka&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz says the prosecutors in the George Zimmerman murder trial should be charged with "prosecutorial misconduct" for suggesting the defendant planned the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin.

"That is something no prosecutor should be allowed to get away with to make up a story from whole cloth," Dershowitz told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.

"These prosecutors should be disbarred. They have acted absolutely irresponsibly in an utterly un-American fashion."

This is the real story. God knows if the ones defending the evil racist would have concealed evidence.

Agreed. The prosecution's best shot would have been the unlawful killing of a child but they let that boat sail long before the court date was set.

It's a pity that the enraged 'masses' can't see that it was a flawed prosecution from the get go and absolutely nothing to do with any perceived abuse of 'bad' or prejudicial laws.

Why is it always the case that someone should always be seen to be responsible for someone else's bad judgement?

Third degree murder with predicate act of child abuse was considered and rejected by just as no evidence and I have to agree with that one. Albeit a long time ago, I reviewed charges and failure to charge lesser included offenses for a couple of years clerking for ax state Supreme Court justice.

The evidence shows that Martin was kicking Zimmermam's arse when Zimmerman show him so Zimmerman was getting the abuse immediately prior to the shooting.

Prosecutors did not mess up Marrin case from their perspective. They vigorously prosecute and over prosecuted. They, however, were so vigorous in prosecuting that the violated Zimmerman's rights and signed a false affidavit and withheld evidence from court to get charges to move forward in the name of political pressure.

[aguy30]

kikoman should have been the prosecutor with his superior knowledge and insight.

Of course evidence was collected at the crime scene. Why wouldn't it be? The police didn't know if there would any charges or not at that time and were investigating as if it was chargeable crime. Get over it.

When jurors are called it is by a process that doesn't know their race, sex, age or whatever details about them. The defence and the prosecution can reject some of them, as well as the judge.

There was a trial and the prosecution's evidence presented. Zimmerman was found not guilty 2nd degree murder and manslaughter by a jury. Again, get over it!

Edited July 15, 2013 by aguy30

[F430murci]

Let me answer you point by point.

Treyvon Martin died, he wasn't on trial.

Many argue Zimmerman should never have been arrested, let alone tried in the first place.

While profiling isn't politically correct, if the majority of crimes in a certain area are committed by a certain race, you look out for that race. It's logical. If 9 out of 10 of the home burglaries were committed by Asians, you pay extra attention to suspicious looking Asians.

As for the differences in sizes. Zimmerman's MMA teacher gave testimony that he was overweight and out of shape and wasn't much of a fighter. His MMA training has been used a lot to show he could fight. His teacher has said otherwise.

As for jury selection, that's the way it is. You can spin it anyway you want. A lost is a lost. If there wasn't enough evidence, they shouldn't have prosecuted him in the first place. Whatever the Treyvon Martin's family do in the future with their lawyers, whether they want to sue or not is their right. As for the federal government prosecuting Zimmerman, you bet they will! Not because he's guilty because you have a black president and a black attorney general who kowtow to loud mouth never do wells like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

Did Trayvon Marti n get a fair trial?

Police did not arrest Zimmerman until 44 days after the shooting, much valuable crime scene evidence was not collected.

Who was responsible for the confrontation, Trayvon was just walking home from the 7-11 and Zimmerman profiled him as a criminal just by his looks.

Zimmerman failed to abide by 911 instructions to not follow Trayvon, Police were on the way Zimmerman stated these guys always get away.

Up to this point Trayvon did not do anything he was just walking home.

Zimmerman followed Trayvon and a fight happened, that Trayvon bested Zimmerman and put him in fear for his life.

Comparison of the combatants

Trayvon a 158 lb,17 year old schoolboy with no special defense training history.

Zimmerman 195 lb, with over a year of MMA combat training sessions at three times per week immediately prior to the shooting. He lost 90 lbs during that year of MMA training and was down to his desired fighting weight

Since the shooting Zimmerman put on 100 lbs, which is not the physical condition he was at on the day of the shooting.

Zimmerman had a 37 lb weight advantage plus a year of MMA ground and pound MMA combat training

Was trial decided by a jury of his peers?

Population of Sanford is a minority majority population.

Hispanic 18.4 %

White 49.7%

Black 27.0%

Native American 0.4%

Asian 2,8%

Others 1.7%

Pool of Jury: 500 the last 23 remaining were:

16 Whites

4 Back

2 Hispanic

1 Asian

Each side lawyers had 10 jurors they could eliminated for any reason!

Results: 5 Anglo females, I Hispanic female.

The dye for acquittal was cast before the trial began.

What next, the Federal government will look into if Trayvons civil right were violated.

Trayvors family to file a Wrongful Death suit much as the Brown and Goldman family filed in the O.J. Simpson case, where the Civil Preponderance of the Evidence is a lot easier to prove then the Criminal Beyond a Shadow of a Doubt .

To assure Zimmerman cannot write a book or gain financially because of Trayvon Death

To make sure Zimmerman will never again freely be able to walk the streets, as he killed Trayvon for doing!

Keep Zimmerman from receiving any money because of his lawsuit against the TV s news Station,

Zimmermans problems at not over, they are just beginning!

In the years I have been on the TV forum, I have heard of Falangs complaints about being discriminated against in Thailand.

They do not know what real discrimination is!

Cheers:

Prosecutors wanted women. 5 were mothers they felt would be sensitive to the loss of a child and women have a less aggressive nature.

Based in my jury experience and a lot of very expensive juror sciences my large corporate clients have paid for, women

He was not charged for 44 days because something like 6 people investigated and found no evidence. Guess what, there is still no evidence to support a conviction and all of the prosecutions witnesses of a scientific and investigatory nature actually supported Zimmerman's self defense claim.

The remainder if the stuff is bunk that even an 8th grader could dispel with a captain obvious moment including the fact that Martin is dead and was not on trial.

[lowushatin]

Just a few days over 16 is what I would use to say turned 16 a few days ago. Very misleading.

Now you know what I meant. It is public record he was murdered while age 17 but when that young it makes a difference when while age 17. He had only been 17 for a short time. I hope he had a good birthday anyway, his LAST one, thanks to the recklessness of his killer.

this made me laugh. seriously, there needs something be done about people who believe everything put in front of them, never questioning the information. you are just tools in the hands of higher powers. make no mistake, here I mean we need to change public sentiment and enlighten people somehow. This is just so wrong and damaging to society.

Edited July 15, 2013 by lowushatin

[F430murci]

"US Justice Department to open new case against Zimmerman who shot dead black teenager" (Voice of Russia site)

The US Justice Department may open a civil rights case against George Zimmerman (Voice of Russia first story line)

Read more: http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_07_15/US-Justice-Department-The US Justice Department can open a civil rights case against George Zimmerman-news-case-against-Zimmerman-who-shot-dead-black-teenager-2715/ The US Justice Department can open a civil rights case against George ZimmermanThe headline and the story from the Voice of Russia do not agree.

There is a big difference between "to open/may open/can open/will open". I looked at many major news sites and did not find any that said "will open".

A lot of wishful thinking by those that do not agree the verdict from a court of law. The prosecution did not prove their case.

Just typical Voice of Russia reporting. The justice depart is looking into allegations which is not too extraordinary and predictable considering pressures from the likes of Sharpton, Jackson and NAACP.

I just hope that president is not behind scenes trying to save face here. He should be coming out acknowledging verdict and thanking jury and prosecutors for their job. I startling think he more of the problem and much less of the solution.

[F430murci]

"US Justice Department to open new case against Zimmerman who shot dead black teenager" (Voice of Russia site)

The US Justice Department may open a civil rights case against George Zimmerman (Voice of Russia first story line)

Read more: http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_07_15/US-Justice-Department-The US Justice Department can open a civil rights case against George Zimmerman-news-case-against-Zimmerman-who-shot-dead-black-teenager-2715/ The US Justice Department can open a civil rights case against George ZimmermanThe headline and the story from the Voice of Russia do not agree.

There is a big difference between "to open/may open/can open/will open". I looked at many major news sites and did not find any that said "will open".

A lot of wishful thinking by those that do not agree the verdict from a court of law. The prosecution did not prove their case.

Just typical Voice of Russia reporting. The justice depart is looking into allegations which is not too extraordinary and predictable considering pressures from the likes of Sharpton, Jackson and NAACP.

I just hope that president is not behind scenes trying to save face here. He should be coming out acknowledging verdict and thanking jury and prosecutors for their job. I startling think he more of the problem and much less of the solution.

[F430murci]

No-one really knows what happened that night. Only 1 person, really.

I find it odd that so many people have picked a side in this case, when no-one could really know.

Actually, there is quiet a bit of evidence. A lot of cases involving death of another have no eyewitnesses and recorded 911 calls during the event. There is a wealth of corroborative and scientific evidence in this case compared to many cases involving death of another. I once reviewed a case where the primary evidence was a half burned shoe in a fire pit as defendants wrapped body in rubber, burned it in a 55 gallon drum, crushed up bones with lime and spread the ashes in a river bed.

Unfortunately, NAACP and media play on people's emotions who have zero knowledge of the legal system, how cases are prosecuted, and what evidence is typically in death cases.

[Ulysses G.]

Some of the attempts at concealing racist tendencies on this thread are almost laughable.

Your attempts to scream "racism" simply because someone disagrees with you is not laughable at all.

You'll note I said "some"....

Stuck a nerve, did I?

Yes. Dopey attempts at name calling, rather than providing convincing facts do strike a nerve. Try an argument that you can back up with some proof.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Ulysses G.

[F430murci]

Pres. finally released a statement, but it was a lame in that it focused more on gun control than anything. I am for gun control, but that is not the real issue here.

Candidly, the racist are the NAACP and everyone else bashing this jury. The prosecutors argued in closing that if you reversed the roles, Martin was the shooter and you would convict Martin, then you got to convict Zimmerman. There are two choices: (1) that the jury discredited that argument by finding regardless as to who the shooter was, this was no crime; or (2) you have to conclude that the jury was racially motivated white women. Option two is nothing more than reverse racism itself against jurors we don't know.

Edited July 15, 2013 by F430murci

[mopar71]

There is no doubt whatsoever that Zimmerman started all this because Martin fitted his profile of a young black criminal.

But in Zimmerman's original 911 call he didn't know the race of the suspicious individual. I'd say that leaves plenty of doubt that race had anything to do with it.

The NAACP has collected half a million signatures for the Federal Government to file a Federal Statutory Civil Rights case, the State Prosecutor Angela Corey's statement that included "But Trayvon Martin was profiled. There was no doubt that he was profiled to be a criminal" that would be the bases that a Federal statutory Civil case will involve.

Zimmerman profiled Trayvon to be a Criminal, while he was not involved in any criminal activity he was just minding his own business and walking home. As a result of Zimmerman actions Trayvon is dead!

Cheers:

Can you fix the formatting so our quotes are separated?

[coma]

Armed man chases unarmed teen down, catches / confronts him. Teen does what most people would do in that situation, turns on man and uses some self defense measures of his own. Man's pride is hurt so he shoost the teen dead. I feel Mr Zimmerman instigated the situation and therefore should have been found guilty.

That is definitely one way of viewing the circumstances, except George did not chase anyone down, or catch him. He did confront him. You make it sound all so simple and clear with your logic. You have tried him and convicted him because you feel. That is exactly what the defense said for the jury not to do when they deliberated; to feel. Thankfully they did not feel, and instead viewed the evidence (and clearly the lack thereof) brought forward by the prosecution.

Well he followed him in his car and then on foot and confronted him. His reason for doing this? Pretty obvious but not justifiable (IMO). Why wouldn't the person being followed react?

No. You are way off on so many levels like a lot of these other bleeding hearts. Even if he is what you imply, then you are essentially saying in reverse that it is acceptable to beat a racist so bad and with such fury that the racist cannot possibly know if the attacker is going to cease and desist until the racist is damaged or dead.

You are saying that aren't you?

You are saying that the racist should simply lay there and take it and not defend himself, or herself because they are racist, and anything they do to get the attacker off of them will land them in a lawsuit?

So, what are you saying?

Take the racial element out of this for just one minute and what would the jury have decided then ?

[mrfill]

This is getting ugly. There is no such report proving the victim was "very high" on the night his being slain.

Yes, the child... the poor baby was high on drugs. Did mommy and daddy know that? Did they know everything else that people are telling you exist for all the public to put together and see that there is another story here that Obama and Sharpton and Jackson don't want you to hear?

Yeah! Obama. What a klutz. "You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," Obama said.

Yes, Mr. President, I do believe that he would. I also believe that he would behave like Trayvon.

Martin's toxicology report indicates that THC, the active drug in marijuana, was in his blood at the time of his death on February 26, 2012.

From that report... "Zimmerman was on the medications Librax and Temazepam at the time of the incident."

Temazepam use is known to be particularly associated with violent or disorderly behaviours

Marihuana can stay in the bloodstream for up to 28 DAYS and is not associated with violent behaviour.

[Scott]

Some off-topic posts and posts which are inflammatory and baiting have been removed. Also posts which are quotes only or in which the reply is inside the quote.

Please stay on topic and refrain from making personal remarks directed at other posters.

Edit: A post with messed up quotes has also been deleted.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Scott

[coma]

" Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, claimed that on the night of February 26, 2012 an unarmed teenager knocked him to the ground, punched him, straddled him and slammed his head into the concrete. Zimmerman had licensed Kel Tec 9mm pistol and after the fight he shot Martin once in the heart, killing him. While prosecutors said that Zimmerman, who is white and Hispanic, wrongly suspected Martin of being a criminal because he was black."

Very interesting point this. After the fight he pulls his gat and shoots him dead. Any threat to Zimmermans life would have ceased at the end of the fight. That sure does make it look clear to me that it was a hot headed revenge killing more than a case of self defense.

[F430murci]

That is definitely one way of viewing the circumstances, except George did not chase anyone down, or catch him. He did confront him. You make it sound all so simple and clear with your logic. You have tried him and convicted him because you feel. That is exactly what the defense said for the jury not to do when they deliberated; to feel. Thankfully they did not feel, and instead viewed the evidence (and clearly the lack thereof) brought forward by the prosecution.

Well he followed him in his car and then on foot and confronted him. His reason for doing this? Pretty obvious but not justifiable (IMO). Why wouldn't the person being followed react?

No. You are way off on so many levels like a lot of these other bleeding hearts. Even if he is what you imply, then you are essentially saying in reverse that it is acceptable to beat a racist so bad and with such fury that the racist cannot possibly know if the attacker is going to cease and desist until the racist is damaged or dead.

You are saying that aren't you?

You are saying that the racist should simply lay there and take it and not defend himself, or herself because they are racist, and anything they do to get the attacker off of them will land them in a lawsuit?

So, what are you saying?

Take the racial element out of this for just one minute and what would the jury have decided then ?

So you are calling the jurors racists? How do you know that these five women did not do the best they could, really struggled with the decision, took their job seriously and did not have any racial animosity?

[Jingthing]

I don't really have any sympathy to Zimmerman but if I were him I would be exploring seeking asylum in Peru based on his ethnic connection there. His future in the USA doesn't look bright.

[kikoman]

American law stipulates you are to be tried by a jury of your peers, there was specific legislation addressing your right by a Jury aimed at the Jim Crow Southern states, which also includes the state of Florida for their findings of many whites not guilty of the killing of black in the 1964 Civil Rights Legislation and the Equal Rights Amendment.

This Jury was not represented by the people it served, plain and simple just by looking at the population that 49.7% white and 51.3 % minority.

Some unemployed armchair lawyer posted the prosecution wanted females, what a crock, they wanted minorities on the jury, look at the difference of the OJ Simpson trial in Los Angeles and Rodney King trial in Simi valley (just a few miles from each other).

An all white jury acquitted the police, and they were retried for by the Feds and convicted.

Double Jeopardy only comes into play when you can not be tried again by the same jurisdiction that allows the feds to retry you on violation of Civil rights abuses, Which profiling is one of those abuses.

Zimmerman will be looking over his shoulder in fear for the rest of his life!

Cheers:

[Publicus]

Nobody outside of the USA is surprised at this verdict. Young black kid shot in the back by a wannabe cop. Nothing to see here, move on folks. Is one of the reasons why the USA is held in contempt by the rest of the civilised world.

This is an important and valid perspective to state and for the TVF Right Wing Caucus to know no matter how much you dislike it and need to dismiss it.

This post further notes the view of the rest of the civilized world that the US is chock full of weirdo right wing gun carrying misfits. It points out the use of disproportionate use of force, i.e., a guy with a gun hunting for a human target that is unarmed to shoot to kill.

The post steps back to take the overall view of a gun society and culture and the off center predators who go on the hunt with concealed weapons to find an unarmed prey to hunt down both for sport and, in this instance, racism.

Additionally, Zimmerman is a pervert who had been molesting and engaged in sexual assault against his younger female cousin over a period of years. Zimmerman is a sick and deranged guy who got away with murder.

So Zimmerman being a pervert made the wanna be gang banger thug jump him and beat down into the ground. No acceptance of responsibility. None.

I am anti gun also, but I am anti thug. Maybe I have seen too much thuggery and I am sensitive to it. A 12 year old carry a bag of skiddles did not get capped in the back because he looked like a hood. A drug abusing, violent wanna be thug jumped a crazy cracker.

The prosecutor filed a false affidavit, she failed to tell judge that their were photographs, she withheld from court and media photographs of the broken nose and wounds to the back of the head all to get second degree charge to move forward.

The prosecutor (Corley) committed civil rights violations and the prosecutor should be charged with 1983 violations.

This prosecutor is known for these issues . . . I really should not say anything else . . .

Florida justice is justice denied, same as the election in 2000, where a vote in Florida is a vote denied.

[Publicus]

Nobody outside of the USA is surprised at this verdict. Young black kid shot in the back by a wannabe cop. Nothing to see here, move on folks. Is one of the reasons why the USA is held in contempt by the rest of the civilised world.

This is an important and valid perspective to state and for the TVF Right Wing Caucus to know no matter how much you dislike it and need to dismiss it.

This post further notes the view of the rest of the civilized world that the US is chock full of weirdo right wing gun carrying misfits. It points out the use of disproportionate use of force, i.e., a guy with a gun hunting for a human target that is unarmed to shoot to kill.

The post steps back to take the overall view of a gun society and culture and the off center predators who go on the hunt with concealed weapons to find an unarmed prey to hunt down both for sport and, in this instance, racism.

Additionally, Zimmerman is a pervert who had been molesting and engaged in sexual assault against his younger female cousin over a period of years. Zimmerman is a sick and deranged guy who got away with murder.

I see it's whacky-doodle time!!!!

I realize that you cannot stop yourself from spouting whacky blah-blah like "the US is chock full of weirdo right wing gun carrying misfits. It points out the use of disproportionate use of force, i.e., a guy with a gun hunting for a human target that is unarmed to shoot to kill." Fortunately for the sane people of the U.S.; the jury in the case did not see it that way. The jury, after seeing the evidence and following the law, has determined that Mr. Zimmerman is not guilty of both murder and manslaughter.

As for your loony name-calling of Mr. Zimmerman as a "pervert"; I missed the convictions of Mr. Zimmerman for sexual assault. Of course, I'm sure that you will cite his convictions for us to examine. As far as I have been able to find, he has not even been charged with such crimes, let alone convicted. Of course, in your world, you don't even bother with such things as trials and innocent until proven guilty. Simple allegations are enough for you.

All I'm hearing is that the dead kid is guilty.

[Jingthing]

Yeah Martin has already been charged, judged, and executed by Zimmerman. He is not on trial.

[F430murci]

" Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, claimed that on the night of February 26, 2012 an unarmed teenager knocked him to the ground, punched him, straddled him and slammed his head into the concrete. Zimmerman had licensed Kel Tec 9mm pistol and after the fight he shot Martin once in the heart, killing him. While prosecutors said that Zimmerman, who is white and Hispanic, wrongly suspected Martin of being a criminal because he was black."

Very interesting point this. After the fight he pulls his gat and shoots him dead. Any threat to Zimmermans life would have ceased at the end of the fight. That sure does make it look clear to me that it was a hot headed revenge killing more than a case of self defense.

You are misconstruing the facts. The evidence at trial:

Martin was straddling Zimmerman beating his head against the cement.

Zimmerman squirmed to get his head into the grass area with Martin still on top of him pounding his head.

Martin saw the gun and went for the gun.

Martin told him he was about to die.

Zimmerman beat him to the gun and shot him during the struggle for the gun while Martin was still on top of him.

This was statement in taped interview by reporter with Zimmerman and his lawyer played by the prosecutors to the jury. No facts were presented that controverted this story. Evidence from all experts for prosecution corroborated this story and positioning of the Martin and Zimmerman. Eyewitness corroborated this story.

You are simply citing emotional, but inaccurate, rhetoric being used to perpetuate this claim of racial animosity. The problem with this entire case is the constant flow of misinformation.

Edited July 15, 2013 by F430murci

[Ulysses G.]

Yeah Martin has already been charged, judged, and executed by Zimmerman. He is not on trial.

Zimmerman has already been found not guilty. He is not on trial either.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Ulysses G.

[Jingthing]

Zimmerman has alraedy been found not guilty. He is not on trial either.

But he lives and the consequences of killing the unarmed boy that night, which is NOT disputed, are not finished as long as he lives.

OJ got off too but Karma caught up with him later.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Jingthing

[Loptr]

Ok, I do not believe the death was racially motivated. Yes, I believe that the case was politicized from the very beginning and the powers that be will are weighing their options so as to minimize political risk. Be that play one ethnic group off against another or simply defer. US politics is nasty, although you are trying to associate my observation and analysis of these events with my own personal views. Which is obviously quite cynical of a gubbamint that has lied to me since I was a small child in nappies.

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I apparently wasn't clear despite isolating the part of your post I was referring to. Since you have bothered to reply, I feel obligated to clarify:

"The real question is, what does Holder and the DOJ do? Do they go after Zimmerman with civil rights charges and appease the black community while further alienating the white and hispanic community -or- does he abide by the ruling of the jury and piss off the black community."

My point was that to break things down by race to such an extreme degree (eg assuming any further action taken against Zimmerman will further alienate the "white community" - or that said "community" is already alienated) is absudly simplistic and objectively false.

I have not "tried to associate your observation and analysis of these events with your own personal views.", but feel free to show me where I have.

By the way, I happen to think race was a factor and a sad fact is that it would be so not without cause (I wish it weren't so, but to pretend that in many situations, for many people, a young black male isn't viewed with some degree of prejudice is foolish. And sadly there is a reason for that aside from racism).

I have no doubt the case "was politicized from the very beginning and the powers that be will are weighing their options so as to minimize political risk." Which is to be expected.

One last time Joe. My answer is yes, I believe this administration is capable of these actions. No, I don't agree with them. It is the political climate of the US today, which is a disgrace. So if you feel I am bigoted for my position, so be it.

[jamhar]

I have no idea why someone from outside the US would be interested in this case.

but they are. Regardless of some who posted that no one outside the US cares.

13 pages of the same arguments and point/counterpoints on TV in day is a bit much for uninterested.