Thai lady with child from an Englishman.

[engmbkk]

Hi All,

I just wanted to know if any else knew of the legal status of a Thai lady that has had a child with an English man who wishes to demand money form him in order to raise her child?

Does she have a leg to stand on?

Incidentally it is not me in the role of the runaway father, she is someone I met who is seeking clarification,

Thank you,

P.

[farang000999]

What is she paying you with for this legal advice you obtain from the internet?

[billd766]

I suspect that unless the father is registered on the childs birth certificate or was in a legal relationship with the mother she may well be unlucky.

The possible way to prove he is the father is for a DNA test but if he is not willing to consent, is not in the country, or has no interest in the child or the mother the chances are less still.

Sorry.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Unless she is married to the English person or she is living in the UK, she has no entitlement.

[engmbkk]

Thanks guys,

I will pass that on.

All the best,

P.

[mogandave]

Yes, you can tell....errrr...your friend can tell her to go pound sand!

[GuestHouse]

If the farher is living in Thailand the mother can make an application to the Thai family courts which in turn can force a DNA test and order maintenance - but the Thai court is unlikely to be able to emforce the payments.

If the father is back in the UK the mother may make an application to the UK courts which again can force a DNA test and would enforce maintenance payments by handing off to the CSA.

The mother would need help with both these options, obviously more with the second.

If the OP has time, energy and a bit if spare cash the persuit of the father might become an interesting hobby.

Edited August 14, 2013 by GuestHouse

[evadgib]

The CSA won't touch it if either party is abroad.

[Chittychangchang]

Thailand is sadly littered with abandoned babies and children from two week millionaires and such like, the orphanage's are very busy as are grandparents.

She will need a lot of assistance and legal help to even get to the stage where the father is ordered to pay or has a % of his income taken at source.

The best way to get maintenance is regular contact, sending pics , creating a bond etc

Good luck to the lady concerned, she will need it.

CCC

[GuestHouse]

The CSA won't touch it if either party is abroad.

Wrong

[Issangeorge]

What is she paying you with for this legal advice you obtain from the internet?

That is a pretty useless and unwanted comment and what does it matter to you anyway, are you just trying to show (or not) how witty you are. The OP may just be trying to help the girl. A few years ago a lady who had a daughter from a Canadian father. She asked me a similar question. I was just a friend and had no alternative motive at all, but wanted to help her. As it turned out the father has gone beyond doing the right thing without getting the courts involved I think one thing that has contributed to this is the mother has promoted the daughter as been a part of his life, even though he lives in Canada.

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[David48]

If the farher is living in Thailand the mother can make an application to the Thai family courts which in turn can force a DNA test and order maintenance - but the Thai court is unlikely to be able to emforce the payments.

If the father is back in the UK the mother may make an application to the UK courts which again can force a DNA test and would enforce maintenance payments by handing off to the CSA.

Isn't that DNA test only applicable/allowed after the child has reached the age of 6?

I'm asking ... not telling.

Just something I read here and unsure of the facts.

EDIT

CSA ... ??

Edited August 14, 2013 by David48

[MegaRanter]

Tell her to keep sending the baby's picture to his email, home, fb pages, twitter account. Let him see the baby every day until he knows what he is supposed to do as a responsible adult.

Though some women will make you tear off one leg in your bid to get far away from them.

[GreenSnapper]

Contraception is readily available in Thailand.

Therfore, it's the woman who decides to be pregnant or not. The father seems not to have agreed on having a child, and does not have access to the child.

So let her be responsible. Let her woman up.

This is not the West where the princess gets payments for her private decisions.

[Mario2008]

Contraception is readily available in Thailand.

Therfore, it's the woman who decides to be pregnant or not. The father seems not to have agreed on having a child, and does not have access to the child.

So let her be responsible. Let her woman up.

This is not the West where the princess gets payments for her private decisions.

Payments are not made for the woman, but for the child who is the innocent third party in this. The child is both their responsibility and both are legally required to provide for the child.

[Mario2008]

The mother must file a paternity suit against the father, so the court can determine he is the father of the child and thus liable to pay child support. Child support in Thailand is normally between 3,000 and 6,000 baht a month, plus sharing of medical and educational cost.

In addition, a paternity suit might open the way for the child to be considered a UK-national, especially if the paternity suit is filed in the UK. But that subject I really don't know. Children rights organizations in the UK might provide information and assistance, as it here concerns the rights of the child. (Child support is also for the child, not the mother, and a right of the child itself. The mother merely acts on behalf of the child).

[stoneyboy]

Thailand is sadly littered with abandoned babies and children from two week millionaires and such like, the orphanage's are very busy as are grandparents.

She will need a lot of assistance and legal help to even get to the stage where the father is ordered to pay or has a % of his income taken at source.

The best way to get maintenance is regular contact, sending pics , creating a bond etc

Good luck to the lady concerned, she will need it.

CCC

On a more happy note,Thailand is sadly littered with abandoned babies and children from the average Thai man who likes a drink and a shag or two.

Many of which have been given a better life by some of the two week millionaires.

Swings and roundabouts,what goes a round come around.

Good luck in her quest but I doubt she will get a penny.

[Chittychangchang]

If the farher is living in Thailand the mother can make an application to the Thai family courts which in turn can force a DNA test and order maintenance - but the Thai court is unlikely to be able to emforce the payments.

If the father is back in the UK the mother may make an application to the UK courts which again can force a DNA test and would enforce maintenance payments by handing off to the CSA.

Isn't that DNA test only applicable/allowed after the child has reached the age of 6?

I'm asking ... not telling.

Just something I read here and unsure of the facts.

EDIT

CSA ... ??

CSA Child Support Agency. Tracks down father and takes a % of their wages - in the U.K only.

Mate of mine had a one night stand drunk 14 years ago, was forced to take a paternity test after being informed via text message he was a daddy . Has had £400 a month deducted from his wages ever since till the child is 18.He tried to visit the mother and child on it's 1st birthday with presents etc. She told him to F off and never come back.

He reckons that 5 mins of drunken fun will cost him nearly £90,000 UK.

CCC

[benalibina]

If the farher is living in Thailand the mother can make an application to the Thai family courts which in turn can force a DNA test and order maintenance - but the Thai court is unlikely to be able to emforce the payments.

If the father is back in the UK the mother may make an application to the UK courts which again can force a DNA test and would enforce maintenance payments by handing off to the CSA.

Isn't that DNA test only applicable/allowed after the child has reached the age of 6?

I'm asking ... not telling.

Just something I read here and unsure of the facts.

EDIT

CSA ... ??

CSA Child Support Agency. Tracks down father and takes a % of their wages - in the U.K only.

Mate of mine had a one night stand drunk 14 years ago, was forced to take a paternity test after being informed via text message he was a daddy . Has had £400 a month deducted from his wages ever since till the child is 18.He tried to visit the mother and child on it's 1st birthday with presents etc. She told him to F off and never come back.

He reckons that 5 mins of drunken fun will cost him nearly £90,000 UK.

CCC

You gotta be joking ?

[I Like Thai]

She shouldn't have to take legal action in order for the man to take care of HIS child.

On the other hand, if he is a worm, she may need to.

[Chittychangchang]

If the farher is living in Thailand the mother can make an application to the Thai family courts which in turn can force a DNA test and order maintenance - but the Thai court is unlikely to be able to emforce the payments.

If the father is back in the UK the mother may make an application to the UK courts which again can force a DNA test and would enforce maintenance payments by handing off to the CSA.

Isn't that DNA test only applicable/allowed after the child has reached the age of 6?

I'm asking ... not telling.

Just something I read here and unsure of the facts.

EDIT

CSA ... ??

CSA Child Support Agency. Tracks down father and takes a % of their wages - in the U.K only.

Mate of mine had a one night stand drunk 14 years ago, was forced to take a paternity test after being informed via text message he was a daddy . Has had £400 a month deducted from his wages ever since till the child is 18.He tried to visit the mother and child on it's 1st birthday with presents etc. She told him to F off and never come back.

He reckons that 5 mins of drunken fun will cost him nearly £90,000 UK.

CCC

You gotta be joking ?

True story

Father is a good guy, just got trapped.

CCC

[EyesWideOpen]

Thailand is sadly littered with abandoned babies and children from two week millionaires and such like, the orphanage's are very busy as are grandparents.

She will need a lot of assistance and legal help to even get to the stage where the father is ordered to pay or has a % of his income taken at source.

The best way to get maintenance is regular contact, sending pics , creating a bond etc

Good luck to the lady concerned, she will need it.

CCC

"Thailand is sadly littered with abandoned babies and children from two week millionaires and such like, the orphanage's are very busy as are grandparents."

What the bleep ???? The only children the orphanages are full of is cast offs from failed families of Thai men. You would be spending a lot of time in orphanages looking for a half Thai half farang baby. Whereas many thousands of children from " farm mistakes" by young Thai girls with the Thai farm boy down the road, are in fact being taken care by the the two week millionaires.

Regarding trying to get money from the man here in Thailand, good luck. The whole system is set up for the Thai man, who seemingly bears no responsibility for any children he creates here. Any farang that does the same thing, is simply being a " beneficiary" of the same system.

Edited August 15, 2013 by EyesWideOpen

[Chittychangchang]

Thailand is sadly littered with abandoned babies and children from two week millionaires and such like, the orphanage's are very busy as are grandparents.

She will need a lot of assistance and legal help to even get to the stage where the father is ordered to pay or has a % of his income taken at source.

The best way to get maintenance is regular contact, sending pics , creating a bond etc

Good luck to the lady concerned, she will need it.

CCC

"Thailand is sadly littered with abandoned babies and children from two week millionaires and such like, the orphanage's are very busy as are grandparents."

What the bleep ???? The only children the orphanages are full of is cast offs from failed families of Thai men. You would be spending a lot of time in orphanages looking for a half Thai half farang baby. Whereas many thousands of children from " farm mistakes" by young Thai girls with the Thai farm boy down the road, are in fact being taken care by the the two week millionaires.

Regarding trying to get money from the man here in Thailand, good luck. The whole system is set up for the Thai man, who seemingly bears no responsibility for any children he creates here. Any farang that does the same thing, is simply being a " beneficiary" of the same system.

Thai women see a farang with Eurasian children and assume that all farang fathers are good and care for their children.

What they don't see is the other half of the coin and remain blinkered.

I agree the mother in Thailand will not get any financial help from the father unless he wants to or is forced to, What happens in Thailand stays in Thailand.

The majority of Thai men don't give a sh*t when it comes to parenting and the women try there best.

CCC

[AnotherOneAmerican]

CSA Child Support Agency. Tracks down father and takes a % of their wages - in the U.K only.

Mate of mine had a one night stand drunk 14 years ago, was forced to take a paternity test after being informed via text message he was a daddy:w00t: . Has had £400 a month deducted from his wages ever since till the child is 18.He tried to visit the mother and child on it's 1st birthday with presents etc. She told him to F off and never come back.

He reckons that 5 mins of drunken fun will cost him nearly £90,000 UK.

CCC

Moral of the story, don't have sex with a woman in the UK.

Back on topic

Thai national has no access to UK law or CSA (now defunct I believe).

Both are for UK residents only.

Edited August 16, 2013 by AnotherOneAmerican

[Mario2008]

CSA is not only for UK-residents, belive one of the parties must be n the UK.

There are treaties with many countries, but Thailand is not one of them and as one of the parties is in Thailand they cannot help in this case.

However, a paternity suit might openup british nationality for the child and mayby otherways to collect child support.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

CSA is not only for UK-residents, belive one of the parties must be n the UK.

There are treaties with many countries, but Thailand is not one of them and as one of the parties is in Thailand they cannot help in this case.

However, a paternity suit might openup british nationality for the child and mayby otherways to collect child support.

Another thing about the now defunct CSA.

They could only award money from salary earned in the UK (reciprocal arrangement with US was a bit of a grey area).

But they never had any right or ability to deduct anything from assets, savings or pension income.

I know this because I advised an American client who had a child with an English woman and was living in the UK.

My advice was 'retire now, then they can get nothing from you'. He took my advice, and never paid a cent (apart from my fee).

@Mario

Now I can see you are a good guy, with the best interests of the child in mind, but legally you are hopelessly optimistic, and in many cases your advice could lead the mother or family to spend money they don't have, chasing an impossible dream.

Not a problem for guys like me, happy to take either end of the case, hopeless or not. I make money either way.

I'm happy to take their money with no chance of winning. But in reality, Thai ladies in Thailand, they don't have a hope in hell of recovering anything from a foreign man with a decent lawyer.

For a Thai lady in Thailand, their best option of getting some cash is to be nice. Send photos of the kid to the father, invite dad to visit his child. Don't demand cash or threaten legal action. Being nice to a guy, gets a gal a lot further, it might take a few years, bit it often pays off. Not in the west of course, there it works the exact opposite way.

Edited August 16, 2013 by AnotherOneAmerican

[Mario2008]

Yes, the best is to try and sort it out without lawyers, judges etc.

I am not that optimistic, rather I never give up. Gotten me further than a lot of lawyers thought I would. Plus as I always say, a child has rights of its own and that is what many people forget. I have seen courts make decisions that where not perceived possible, like sueing their own parents while a minor. Not to mention that treaties like on the rights of the child have a vague wording, which sometimes can be an advantage to establish jurisdiction of the court.

In this case, the mother might find it important to see that her child also gets British nationality. That is what she could pursue with the help of child right organizations in the UK. And they may also see an opportunity for child support.