Johnniey Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Funny how the police bust some gamblers but has anyone ever been to a boxing stadium? The police, in uniform, are right there. As the high ranking ones are at the house racing at the RBSC. In my 24 years in the kingdom, I'd estimate that the police profit or control 95% of 'illegal' gambling. It's a farce that they say it is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 "Citing a Royal Thai Police report that said police had made 3,988 gambling-related arrests in the first half of this year, Phongsathon said it demonstrated that the current law on gambling was out-of-date and ineffective in tackling the problem." Maybe he should have included that the arrests amounted to no big deal. The game was open the next day. What good is an arrest if there is no penalty. As is it is just a temporary inconvenience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker1 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 If the "Underground" Lottery (read Illegal) is the largest gambling operation in Thailand then it may be a good target for the DSI to look at. Obviously if the money was spent in the Government lottery there would be much more benefit for the Thai people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tingtongteesood Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 If it was legalised then there would have to be licenses and taxes that the people who run illegal gambling places don't want to pay and the cops want to keep it illegal as they make out like bandits with bribes. Owners happy, bent cops happy, who cares about the law !? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneyboy Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 If it was legalised then there would have to be licenses and taxes that the people who run illegal gambling places don't want to pay and the cops want to keep it illegal as they make out like bandits with bribes. Owners happy, bent cops happy, who cares about the law !? Yes the whole system would fail if gambling and a few other Thailand issues were made legal,they wouldn't know what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhaya Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I think Thai gambling is deeply rooted in the Buddhist tradition of destiny and karma. I often hear Thais complain of being "unlucky" when bad things happen to them and "lucky" when good things do. As if what you do in this world does not affect the events that happen in this life. Possibly the upside to this is "payback" can be deferred to the next life so you can pretty much do what you want to do in this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Well, i'm sure you have guessed wrong, most countries will only sell alcohol to over 18 or 21. i can send my seven year old to the shop for whisky and fags here. not in th uk The youngest "gambler" was a seven-year-old... wow! It makes me wonder how young the little thais start drinking whiskey About as young as the youngsters in your country, I guess. When I was a child my parents could send me in the supermarket buying whatever in Austria. At this time Austria had no problems with children drinking. Now there are way stricter laws and bigger problems. What is forbidden is more interesting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elzach Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Legalize it and let 15-20 million Chinese come. Then Thailand would truly be "paradise". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnniey Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I think Thai gambling is deeply rooted in the Buddhist tradition of destiny and karma. I often hear Thais complain of being "unlucky" when bad things happen to them and "lucky" when good things do. As if what you do in this world does not affect the events that happen in this life. Possibly the upside to this is "payback" can be deferred to the next life so you can pretty much do what you want to do in this one. They are connected to many 'ignorant' people. If someone has a car/motorbike accident, the first thing they do is buy a lottery ticket with their registration number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 If grown up people play in their free time what is the problem. Or how comes someone like Chalerm or Thaksin decide what I do in my free time with my money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALFREDO Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) My wife is a member of several groups of card players and games are played all the time often for many hours at a stretch. Some significant sums of money can be involved as well. My GF is a addicted HI LOW (High Low?) player and lost a lot money, borrowed now ect. Crazy thing and its same the card games, played, in nearly every Thai Isaan Village and even in some Villages in more than one place! Then police does nothing, supports it, takes bribes and many play themselves! Even my complaint to the Provincial police head quarter of the Udon Thani province was useless! (My GF drove around with a Police man and played high stakes in surrounding Villages, with my money! when I was not around!) "I should make my complaint at the Amphur police station", I was told! With that people who take the bribes and play themselves!? There is now a new, bigger play ground, with even more HIGH played games, Hundreds of Thousand of Baht in the hands of players and on the table, I was told! about 2-3 km from the Amphur police station in the Amphur I live! Bribe, I hear 30.000 Baht a month! I was there but stayed in the car and outside the gambling den. Edited August 16, 2013 by ALFREDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhaya Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I think Thai gambling is deeply rooted in the Buddhist tradition of destiny and karma. I often hear Thais complain of being "unlucky" when bad things happen to them and "lucky" when good things do. As if what you do in this world does not affect the events that happen in this life. Possibly the upside to this is "payback" can be deferred to the next life so you can pretty much do what you want to do in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Traveller Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) The truth is that Thai laws are so out of touch with reality and the 21st century that it's not even worth the time discussing. Not only this one, but many other Thai laws that may have worked in medieval times just are not relevant to modern society. I guess it's the same family of powerful leaders 200 years ago that oversaw these laws that they still have kept them on the books until today because it allows them to siphon money to them from the lower classes lawfully. Edited August 16, 2013 by Time Traveller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FarangTalk Posted August 16, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2013 My wife is a member of several groups of card players and games are played all the time often for many hours at a stretch. Some significant sums of money can be involved as well. My GF is a addicted HI LOW (High Low?) player and lost a lot money, borrowed now ect. Crazy thing and its same the card games, played, in nearly every Thai Isaan Village and even in some Villages in more than one place! Then police does nothing, supports it, takes bribes and many play themselves! Even my complaint to the Provincial police head quarter of the Udon Thani province was useless! (My GF drove around with a Police man and played high stakes in surrounding Villages, with my money! when I was not around! I should make my complaint at the Amphur police station, with that people who take the bribes and play themselves!? There is now a new, bigger play ground about 2-3 km from the Amphur police station in the Amphur I live! Bribe, I hear 30.000 Baht a month! If my missus was caught gambling or socialising with police she'd be out on her ear with no second chances. You guys need to get control. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneyboy Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 My wife is a member of several groups of card players and games are played all the time often for many hours at a stretch. Some significant sums of money can be involved as well. My GF is a addicted HI LOW (High Low?) player and lost a lot money, borrowed now ect. Crazy thing and its same the card games, played, in nearly every Thai Isaan Village and even in some Villages in more than one place! Then police does nothing, supports it, takes bribes and many play themselves! Even my complaint to the Provincial police head quarter of the Udon Thani province was useless! (My GF drove around with a Police man and played high stakes in surrounding Villages, with my money! when I was not around! I should make my complaint at the Amphur police station, with that people who take the bribes and play themselves!? There is now a new, bigger play ground about 2-3 km from the Amphur police station in the Amphur I live! Bribe, I hear 30.000 Baht a month! If my missus was caught gambling or socialising with police she'd be out on her ear with no second chances. You guys need to get control. Yes a very valid point indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prakhonchai nick Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Just a small group of women in my village (approx 10) playing cards in someones home drop the police 6000baht every 10 days to avoid problems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayday49 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 You Guys ought ta Know ...No Risk No Reward..... just mix circumstance with and you get Human Nature..... ask any MONK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super22k Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 What uninformed rubbish. No rural shop owners in the UK will sell you their daughters. They are too civilised. 1. Legalise gambling in Thailand. 2. The government collect massive gambling taxes. 3. The Thai people(hopefully)will not be so poor. To have so much gambling going on when it is supposed to be illegal is another example of what I call the Thai-lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I think Thai gambling is deeply rooted in the Buddhist tradition of destiny and karma. I often hear Thais complain of being "unlucky" when bad things happen to them and "lucky" when good things do. As if what you do in this world does not affect the events that happen in this life. Possibly the upside to this is "payback" can be deferred to the next life so you can pretty much do what you want to do in this one. Thais pay the monks to make magic and give them the "lucky" numbers for lotteries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebbu Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 My wife is a member of several groups of card players and games are played all the time often for many hours at a stretch. Some significant sums of money can be involved as well. My GF is a addicted HI LOW (High Low?) player and lost a lot money, borrowed now ect. Crazy thing and its same the card games, played, in nearly every Thai Isaan Village and even in some Villages in more than one place! Then police does nothing, supports it, takes bribes and many play themselves! Even my complaint to the Provincial police head quarter of the Udon Thani province was useless! (My GF drove around with a Police man and played high stakes in surrounding Villages, with my money! when I was not around!) "I should make my complaint at the Amphur police station", I was told! With that people who take the bribes and play themselves!? There is now a new, bigger play ground, with even more HIGH played games, Hundreds of Thousand of Baht in the hands of players and on the table, I was told! about 2-3 km from the Amphur police station in the Amphur I live! Bribe, I hear 30.000 Baht a month! I was there but stayed in the car and outside the gambling den. You better buy an amulet quickly. I fear you have created some problems for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominique355 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 As usual in Thailand, I don't think it is much a problem of the law itself, rather than a problem of law enforcement, of an honest police able and willing to do their job instead of looking for ways to get money through corruption. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirk0233 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 In what way is this study the truth behind Thai gambling. It doesn't explain anything as reported in the nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonneke breda Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Funny how the police bust some gamblers but has anyone ever been to a boxing stadium? The police, in uniform, are right there. In the boxing stadiums is the exemption, where people may place bets, unlike other forms of gambling this is allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Rest assured, Thsiland is eyeing the sucess of Singapore's move into gambling and will make its own bid in the businees as soon as the barrier to doing so is no longer in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisrazz Posted August 16, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2013 My perception is that gambling is not so much a Thai issue but Asian in general. In Australian casinos, government licenses were issued in order to attract asian gamblers. If you visit one you will see a disproportionate number of asian gamblers to that of the general population. Regarding the illigal lottery. One of the evil Taksins' crimes was to make this form of betting on the lottery official, with the governemnt lottery people running it. If memory serves me correctly, there was a significant jackpot that had accumilated that either the lottery department could not cover or disapeared into the ether. During the post coup government this form of the government lottery was deemed illegal itself, no jackpot was forthcoming and the whole business returned into the hands of those who were operating illegally in the first place. Unfortunately for many thais, they see gambling as a get rich quick opportunity with many predators out there to take advantage of the niaive, many of whom lose everything plus incur debts at ridiculous interest in the process. This article/study appears not to address this issue in any way. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oyster Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 The youngest "gambler" was a seven-year-old... wow! It makes me wonder how young the little thais start drinking whiskey Right after his first win, in celebration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangon04 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 As usual in Thailand, I don't think it is much a problem of the law itself, rather than a problem of law enforcement, of an honest police able and willing to do their job instead of looking for ways to get money through corruption. "Citing a Royal Thai Police report that said police had made 3,988 gambling-related arrests in the first half of this year, Phongsathon said it demonstrated that the current law on gambling was out-of-date and ineffective in tackling the problem." Yes it is a strange conclusion to draw. Surely a more obvious conclusion would be that these laws, like so many other laws in the kingdom, are enforced selectively or not at all. Thailand has plenty of laws. Passing more laws does not improve enforcement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlyAnimal Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Regarding the illigal lottery. One of the evil Taksins' crimes was to make this form of betting on the lottery official, with the governemnt lottery people running it. If memory serves me correctly, there was a significant jackpot that had accumilated that either the lottery department could not cover or disapeared into the ether. During the post coup government this form of the government lottery was deemed illegal itself, no jackpot was forthcoming and the whole business returned into the hands of those who were operating illegally in the first place. That's kinda interesting, as my gf actually has the completely opposite view. As one of the things which she really likes about Taksin, even though she's not into gambling at all, was that he made a legal small lottery. Reasons for this being: 1/ It stopped the other small lotteries 2/ The people buying tickets had to pay in cash, so people couldn't get into debt 3/ You couldn't bribe the organisers to rig the numbers for you (or if you could, it was less widespread) 4/ The government was able to tax it (Which she doesn't really care about, but figures it'd be a bonus) She personally saw a decline in her mother's gambling and level of debt because she couldn't buy tickets on credit. She understands very well that Taksin is corrupt, and assumes that him and his cronies would have been getting a slice of the action somewhere, but pretty much all politicians are corrupt and someone's always getting a slice of the action from everything. The regulation on it was positive for the community, and that's what she cares about. But yeah, my personal views are that since the law isn't enforced, and police are simply bribed in order to allow illegal casinos etc, everyone knows where the casinos are but no one really cares (we even have one right across the road from us lol). Therefore in my view, the government should simply issue licences for some casinos, they can then tax the casino revenue, and regulate the gambling which is done there. The illegal casinos will then lose significant amounts of business, maybe the legal casinos could even be convinced to assist with bringing down the illegal casinos, as those are their competition. Gambling is just like alcohol and prostitution, it's more efficient and effective to simply regulate it, rather than trying a blanked ban on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneyboy Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Rest assured, Thsiland is eyeing the sucess of Singapore's move into gambling and will make its own bid in the businees as soon as the barrier to doing so is no longer in place. Would you care to divulge the barrier,I'm a little confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPI Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I suppose the reason why Thai's gamble is the same for any people on earth...they want more! More what? More of everything silly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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